The 12" Powerbook and the 1.42 Power Mac are EOL. In fact Apple stopped making the 1.42 about a week ago. If you order a BTO they are basically taking a stock machine and making the changes you requested.
Where does that leave the rest of the current PowerMac line?
The 12" Powerbook and the 1.42 Power Mac are EOL. In fact Apple stopped making the 1.42 about a week ago. If you order a BTO they are basically taking a stock machine and making the changes you requested.
That further proves that the current 1.42Ghz G4s are the overclocked chips
On June 5, 1977, the Apple II personal computer went on sale. The machine, which sold for $1,298, was the first commercially successful personal computer. Developer Steve Wozniak had created the Apple I to impress his friends in the Homebrew Computer Club in the early 1970s. Wozniak's sidekick, Steve Jobs, urged his friend to create a computer they could sell, and the two started Apple Computer in Jobs' garage. The Apple II boasted a color screen and a built-in version of the BASIC computer language.
"On the outside, P58C will probably be indistinguishable from the current Power Mac, aside from a new product number."
Are product numbers and SKUs the same thing? Does it really matter? TS said this was to have gone into effect two weeks ago, so maybe the whole thing is bogus anyway.
The 12" Powerbook and the 1.42 Power Mac are EOL. In fact Apple stopped making the 1.42 about a week ago. If you order a BTO they are basically taking a stock machine and making the changes you requested.
i love you neworder...will you marry me??
neworder is always right....so what is replacing them...i see 970 PM and the 12" powerbook going with a new MB to stop it from being crippled...
The reseller I spoke with mentioned only the 1.42s, not the others. Surely a technical update would be across the board?
Yes, I would think it would be across the board unless...maybe....Apple is thinking on releasing the 970 from the top down. Would that make sense? Start with the top end as a 1.4 GHz 970 and leave the others as G4 for a few more months. Then bring in the higher rated 970's over the next couple of months while they get rid of the old G4's and make a killing $$$$ charging a premium for the 1.4 GHz 970. If they have to drop the prices to get rid of the G4's, they get a lineup with both cheap PowerMacs and a high margin (if the rumors regarding the 970 pricing are to be believed) top end -that most will spring for becasue its so much better. Then Sep/Oct they go all 970. Just a thought-let the flames fly....
It's entirely possible (if not likely) that they EOL the 1.42 GHz systems because they would expect the existing stock to last until the big update. The lower-end systems are logically more affordable for most, so they need to be produced over a longer period of time. While Apple would certainly want to clear out their stock by the time the PPC 970 hits (assuming it hits this summer), they don't want to have a premature shortage!
[B]Yes, I would think it would be across the board unless...maybe....Apple is thinking on releasing the 970 from the top down. Would that make sense? /B]
No. Nobody, and I mean nobody, is going to buy a hypothetical new G4 when a 970 based machine is available. I don't care what the price points are. The Power Mac line will go all 970, from top to bottom, all at once.
The cheapskates out there will be able to get the remaining stock of 1.0/1.25/1.42 G4s at firesale prices for a few weeks. (God knows Fry's will have old G4s out on the floor until Christmas.)
If they gave the 12" model just SOME of the features of the current (and upcoming) 15" and the 17", I'd happily buy it instead of the upcoming aluminum 15" I'm currently saving/planning for, and not feel bad or like I'm compromising.
I'd MUCH rather have - for "on the go" and all - the small, sexy-as-can-be 12" model, to be honest. Then I'd simply buy a righteous Apple or other nice digital LCD for "serious" work and home use. Along with an external keyboard/mouse. And maybe even that cool iPerch announced today!
Required for me to buy 12" model:
- L3 cache
- DVI
Not required, but would make me part with my money even quicker (the following are in addition to the two previous features):
- FireWire 800
- 2x SuperDrive w/ 16x CD-R (as opposed to current 1x/8x)
- Both RAM slots user accessible (again that word...did I spell it right?)...a PowerBook (ANY PowerBook) should have 1GB RAM expansion capability. 640MB for a "pro" laptop is goofy!
That's it, really. Apple does those first two and that's my new Mac, hands down. They do the OTHER three and I'll buy two of them!
If they gave the 12" model just SOME of the features of the current (and upcoming) 15" and the 17", I'd happily buy it instead and not feel bad or like I'm compromising.
Required for me to buy 12" model:
- L3 cache
- DVI
Not required, but would make me part with my money even quicker (the following are in addition to the two previous features):
- FireWire 800
- 2x SuperDrive w/ 16x CD-R (as opposed to current 1x/8x)
- Both RAM slots user accessible (again that word...did I spell it right?)...a PowerBook (ANY PowerBook) should have 1GB RAM expansion capability. 640MB for a "pro" laptop is goofy!
Add a decent graphics card to that must have list and you've got it. I am a happy 1GHz TiBook owner, but would sell it for the 12" you describe in a heartbeat. Throw in a 20" Cinema Display for use at the house and you have the perfect Mac experience both at home and on the road.
Hhmmm, on second thought I think a lot of people would do exactly this and sales of of the 15"and 17" would suffer. The 12" is crippled for a reason.
Add a decent graphics card to that must have list and you've got it. I am a happy 1GHz TiBook owner, but would sell it for the 12" you describe in a heartbeat. Throw in a 20" Cinema Display for use at the house and you have the perfect Mac experience both at home and on the road.
Hhmmm, on second thought I think a lot of people would do exactly this and sales of of the 15"and 17" would suffer. The 12" is crippled for a reason.
The difference should be screen size not features. (well maybe a slight difference in CPU speed). The price difference between FW800 / FW400 or DVI / VGA are probably very small and wouldn't hurt profit margins. They could even help since Apple could buy more in bulk.
People will always buy the more expensive Powerbooks simply to get the bigger screens even if the specs are the same as the 12".
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Originally posted by NewOrder
The 12" Powerbook and the 1.42 Power Mac are EOL. In fact Apple stopped making the 1.42 about a week ago. If you order a BTO they are basically taking a stock machine and making the changes you requested.
Where does that leave the rest of the current PowerMac line?
Originally posted by NewOrder
The 12" Powerbook and the 1.42 Power Mac are EOL. In fact Apple stopped making the 1.42 about a week ago. If you order a BTO they are basically taking a stock machine and making the changes you requested.
That further proves that the current 1.42Ghz G4s are the overclocked chips
1977 Apple II released
On June 5, 1977, the Apple II personal computer went on sale. The machine, which sold for $1,298, was the first commercially successful personal computer. Developer Steve Wozniak had created the Apple I to impress his friends in the Homebrew Computer Club in the early 1970s. Wozniak's sidekick, Steve Jobs, urged his friend to create a computer they could sell, and the two started Apple Computer in Jobs' garage. The Apple II boasted a color screen and a built-in version of the BASIC computer language.
A local seller was told by Apple to not order any more of the 1.42s. They are EOL.
Dare one even type the word: confir----
Originally posted by jccbin
I can offer further evidence of the 1.42's demise:
A local seller was told by Apple to not order any more of the 1.42s. They are EOL.
Dare one even type the word: confir----
Or it's just because of this.
Originally posted by JLL
Or it's just because of this.
That rumored "technical update" would be invisible to consumers and resellers alike. EOL status would not be necessary for such a change.
Originally posted by Ensign Pulver
That rumored "technical update" would be invisible to consumers and resellers alike. EOL status would not be necessary for such a change.
Since the updated model will have a new SKU, wouldn't the existing model get an EOL status?
Originally posted by JLL
Since the updated model will have a new SKU, wouldn't the existing model get an EOL status?
Who says it will require a new SKU? From the TS article:
"Apple is set to finalize P58C in the next week or so, and will then quietly begin shipping the updated models to the retail channel."
Originally posted by Ensign Pulver
Who says it will require a new SKU? From the TS article:
"Apple is set to finalize P58C in the next week or so, and will then quietly begin shipping the updated models to the retail channel."
From the same article:
"On the outside, P58C will probably be indistinguishable from the current Power Mac, aside from a new product number."
Originally posted by JLL
From the same article:
"On the outside, P58C will probably be indistinguishable from the current Power Mac, aside from a new product number."
Are product numbers and SKUs the same thing? Does it really matter? TS said this was to have gone into effect two weeks ago, so maybe the whole thing is bogus anyway.
Originally posted by NewOrder
The 12" Powerbook and the 1.42 Power Mac are EOL. In fact Apple stopped making the 1.42 about a week ago. If you order a BTO they are basically taking a stock machine and making the changes you requested.
i love you neworder...will you marry me??
neworder is always right....so what is replacing them...i see 970 PM and the 12" powerbook going with a new MB to stop it from being crippled...
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I think he was just using it so he could put that little 970 teaser on the end.
Originally posted by jccbin
The reseller I spoke with mentioned only the 1.42s, not the others. Surely a technical update would be across the board?
Yes, I would think it would be across the board unless...maybe....Apple is thinking on releasing the 970 from the top down. Would that make sense? Start with the top end as a 1.4 GHz 970 and leave the others as G4 for a few more months. Then bring in the higher rated 970's over the next couple of months while they get rid of the old G4's and make a killing $$$$ charging a premium for the 1.4 GHz 970. If they have to drop the prices to get rid of the G4's, they get a lineup with both cheap PowerMacs and a high margin (if the rumors regarding the 970 pricing are to be believed) top end -that most will spring for becasue its so much better. Then Sep/Oct they go all 970. Just a thought-let the flames fly....
It's entirely possible (if not likely) that they EOL the 1.42 GHz systems because they would expect the existing stock to last until the big update. The lower-end systems are logically more affordable for most, so they need to be produced over a longer period of time. While Apple would certainly want to clear out their stock by the time the PPC 970 hits (assuming it hits this summer), they don't want to have a premature shortage!
Originally posted by Carson O'Genic
[B]Yes, I would think it would be across the board unless...maybe....Apple is thinking on releasing the 970 from the top down. Would that make sense? /B]
No. Nobody, and I mean nobody, is going to buy a hypothetical new G4 when a 970 based machine is available. I don't care what the price points are. The Power Mac line will go all 970, from top to bottom, all at once.
The cheapskates out there will be able to get the remaining stock of 1.0/1.25/1.42 G4s at firesale prices for a few weeks. (God knows Fry's will have old G4s out on the floor until Christmas.)
I'd MUCH rather have - for "on the go" and all - the small, sexy-as-can-be 12" model, to be honest. Then I'd simply buy a righteous Apple or other nice digital LCD for "serious" work and home use. Along with an external keyboard/mouse. And maybe even that cool iPerch announced today!
Required for me to buy 12" model:
- L3 cache
- DVI
Not required, but would make me part with my money even quicker (the following are in addition to the two previous features):
- FireWire 800
- 2x SuperDrive w/ 16x CD-R (as opposed to current 1x/8x)
- Both RAM slots user accessible (again that word...did I spell it right?)...a PowerBook (ANY PowerBook) should have 1GB RAM expansion capability. 640MB for a "pro" laptop is goofy!
That's it, really. Apple does those first two and that's my new Mac, hands down. They do the OTHER three and I'll buy two of them!
Otherwise, it's 15" city...
Originally posted by pscates
If they gave the 12" model just SOME of the features of the current (and upcoming) 15" and the 17", I'd happily buy it instead and not feel bad or like I'm compromising.
Required for me to buy 12" model:
- L3 cache
- DVI
Not required, but would make me part with my money even quicker (the following are in addition to the two previous features):
- FireWire 800
- 2x SuperDrive w/ 16x CD-R (as opposed to current 1x/8x)
- Both RAM slots user accessible (again that word...did I spell it right?)...a PowerBook (ANY PowerBook) should have 1GB RAM expansion capability. 640MB for a "pro" laptop is goofy!
Add a decent graphics card to that must have list and you've got it. I am a happy 1GHz TiBook owner, but would sell it for the 12" you describe in a heartbeat. Throw in a 20" Cinema Display for use at the house and you have the perfect Mac experience both at home and on the road.
Hhmmm, on second thought I think a lot of people would do exactly this and sales of of the 15"and 17" would suffer. The 12" is crippled for a reason.
Originally posted by Ensign Pulver
Add a decent graphics card to that must have list and you've got it. I am a happy 1GHz TiBook owner, but would sell it for the 12" you describe in a heartbeat. Throw in a 20" Cinema Display for use at the house and you have the perfect Mac experience both at home and on the road.
Hhmmm, on second thought I think a lot of people would do exactly this and sales of of the 15"and 17" would suffer. The 12" is crippled for a reason.
The difference should be screen size not features. (well maybe a slight difference in CPU speed). The price difference between FW800 / FW400 or DVI / VGA are probably very small and wouldn't hurt profit margins. They could even help since Apple could buy more in bulk.
People will always buy the more expensive Powerbooks simply to get the bigger screens even if the specs are the same as the 12".