And this from someone wondering why Martin Gardner even bothered to write the above book:
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The UB [Urantia Book] was published in 1955 and runs to 2,097 pages of fairly standard holy-book material. An elaborate celestial hierarchy of swarming godlings and angel-analogues ruled by a supreme being ingenuously called the "Great I Am"; prophecies and revelations; a revisionist life of Christ; and so on. Weird neologisms abound, as in Scientology ("Urantia" is merely Earth), and are gleefully quoted. Outsiders find it odd that some regard the UB as validated by its predictions of scientific developments before the 1955 publication date. For UB fundamentalists, you see, it is an article of faith that the text was finalized in 1934.
See this is why I think why Christianity is dieing in the Western world, cuz so many so called Christians are so hung up on the superficial, the outer dressing of the faith (the type of music, what people are wearing, etc...) Non-Christians see this and think, man what a f***ing joke. This is why Islam is growing so hard core, it deals with things that are more real, sure a good number of Islamicists are armed paramilitary groups hell-bent on bombing US interests, but at least their faith is focused on something more substantial than what Jane Doe wore to church. This is ridiculous, this part of the reason I feel so uncomfortable with others of my own faith.
Actually the Talliban in Afganistan was very Islamic to the core and they did concern themselves over many of these things. They went door to door and destroyed musical instruments. We are talking about hand crafted generations old musical instruments passed from father to son generation after generation. The Talliban decided that music with instruments distracts from worship of Allah.
I saw a documentary on this subject with interviews and footage and photographs.
Again Live and let live and love all is a good policy.
Judging on behalf of others and taking violent action against them is really bad and for once I would wish we all could learn from history.
I was raised Mormon and as far as Christian churches go the LDS church experience was, IMO, far superior to anything I've experienced or even heard about.
Ohhhh, you're mormon. This explains so very much.
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...I found a nice middle ground in the Mormon area.
Christianity is in a curious position in the U.S., it has all but died out in Europe; going strong in Africa and South America---a fact that is conspicuous by its absence in the U.S. media.
Many Christians, I believe, are guilty of calling their converts into a kind of stasis, stranding them in a cultural vacuum. Christians, in my experience, are called to a lifestyle that is almost doomed to following the lowest common denominator of society in the "reaching out" process.
I think we all implicitly know that green hair and split tongues in our culture basically represent a great big F.U. to the "establishment."
Many Christians are a bit too busy absorbing the ambient culture to effect what comes after it. A friend of mine was leaving a house of worship last week and someone was handing out enrollment slips for vacation Bible school. The theme was S.C.U.B.A. or Super Cool Underwater Bible Adventure, my friend almost barfed----he said the year before, the camp counselors from another bible camp showed up at his house of worship looking like the members of Creed, replete with earrings and clear nail polish. He remarked that he refused to expose his children to that sort of rebellion.
I think this Illustrates that the Christian Church in America is in a very strange situation--where it absorbs the same attitudes that rip apart other institutions.
I come from a line of traditonal Presbyterians of Calvinist-like composure on one side, and of Eastern Orthodox on the other. Growing up I went to a pretty conservative Presbyterian church (because my dad wore the pants and wouldn't go to an Orthodox Church) which gradually got more evangelical in the youth departments, but stayed very traditional for the rest of matters. At the time I prefered the more conservative styles, and I basically still do, but there were reasons for this. I had a lot of Catholic friends until college, and the whole evangelical thing was a bit of a taboo in the cultural matters of the snobby. (Which I make no claims about not being) But since then, having seen a few evangelical groups, meeting some folks in them, etc, I can say that there's a pretty big gradient among them. Many of them are pretty traditional aside from the mass baptism type stuff.
Don't listen to CoD, he's just bitter because he couldn't ever get any Mormon girls to give him any play in his frustrated teens.
Re: formal dress.
It's like having a uniform. All the men wear white shirts with ties and nice pants. It's the exact opposite of showing off. If someone walked into an LDS church with brand names plastered on their clothes that would be odd. No Nike swoosh on the shoes, no TOMMY on the polo shirt, no Banana Republic on the khaki shorts.
Everyone looks the same so you can focus your attention elsewhere.
FellowshipChurch.com (...) Keep in mind it gets nice and hot here in Dallas.(...)
If you have a PC? This is a Mac forum. Sorry dude. If you did get the Dell go to a PC forum.
Fellowship dot com as domain is something so grossly american. Religous, seeming so deep fried religious but add the dot com .. ot just scratch above the surface. The churches aren't supposed to be 'dot com's but 'dot org's.
It might get nice and hot in Dallas but you don't looks so shiningly happy in the picture either.
It's like having a uniform. All the men wear white shirts with ties and nice pants. It's the exact opposite of showing off. If someone walked into an LDS church with brand names plastered on their clothes that would be odd. No Nike swoosh on the shoes, no TOMMY on the polo shirt, no Banana Republic on the khaki shorts.
Everyone looks the same so you can focus your attention elsewhere.
Oh. Right. Seeing the guys in those uniforms puts my alert on, so instead of trying to look like a convertible *whatever* eastern (asian) type of religious, i might as well hide myself under a burqa for a moment ..
How about teach people not to care what they look like even if they show up in Banana Republic shorts?
Because people notice what others are wearing if it is significantly different by instinct. It's not about oppressing the poor masses it's about a show of where attention should be paid.
Surely the better part of intelligent and rational behavior is recognizing basic instincts and overcoming them despite the inherent petulant angry-teen cries for freedom of dress.
How very progressive of you to notice "people shouldn't care what others look like" like every parent teaches their 8-year-old. I'm very proud you took mommy's lesson to heart and feel that such platitudes apply to every situation like a glove.
I'm operating on a level above that, care to join me?
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Giaguara:
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Oh. Right. Seeing the guys in those uniforms puts my alert on, so instead of trying to look like a convertible *whatever* eastern (asian) type of religious, i might as well hide myself under a burqa for a moment
Everyone looks the same so you can focus your attention elsewhere.
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Originally posted by bunge
How about teach people not to care what they look like even if they show up in Banana Republic shorts?
I think this is a common misconception, based on a fractured societal view of how individuals express themselves. We are related, one to another---otherwise we reduce each other into unrelated objects.
I have always been amazed at Christians who go to their house of worship in clothes they wouldn't be caught dead in for a job interview. There is a comical level of relativism exuded by the very poeple who militate against that very concept. Imagine you are called to the White House for a PR opportunity or meeting ...
Are you really going to show up in Banana Republic shorts?
I think what is at issue here is that even the Christians are looking for a relativistic worship experience---or at the very least are expressing to each other where that experience rates in the overall importance of their social engagements.
(I acutally remember when BR was selling the real thing)
Ahh the dress issue never goes away... Remember we all have choice where we worship. If the people at given Church do not meet your idea of what is needed find a church that fits your ideas. I would say the job interview analogy is one worth mention. Keep in mind at a job interview you are trying to impress "would be" boss. You want the "would be" boss to think you have your stuff together. At Church one must ask are they trying to impress God with how they dress? God already knows we are not perfect. God does not care how we dress. I think there are some out there who still just don't get it with this issue.
Just my two cents. I am not bothered by a well dressed up person or a person in a t-shirt and jeans. It really does not matter at all.
If you have a PC? This is a Mac forum. Sorry dude. If you did get the Dell go to a PC forum.
Fellowship dot com as domain is something so grossly american. Religous, seeming so deep fried religious but add the dot com .. ot just scratch above the surface. The churches aren't supposed to be 'dot com's but 'dot org's.
It might get nice and hot in Dallas but you don't looks so shiningly happy in the picture either.
Wow you noticed. Another non-issue indeed. Funny how so many love to make issues out of everything. They paint Chuches as a certain light and then when a given Church does things different hmmmmm sort of like the Apple jingle people get all bent out of shape.
I think like I do with the Talliban and how they thought musical instruments were distractions against worship of Allah that as well people that focus on the dress of people or the dot. whatever after the web address is rather on the control freak side of the spectrum. I think it says more about those who get all bent out of shape than it does about the Churches that do things a little different.
Some methods have changed in some Churches. Just a reality. Some will hate that progress but hey some hated the word processor as well. Life changes.
groverat, _the uniform_ you describe matches to the ball breaker religious groups in europe. walk in your holy private thoughts in your own peace of mind in the middle of the city in the middle of the day .. see someone wearing those uniforms, and whatever religion etc they represent, run. they will talk to you like the american tv shops, telling how your life is sooo complicated without them and how you should come to their church that and that day and then they will take out their overly underlined bible and they will ashame themselves and you publicly. i don't know whether most of _these_ are jehovas, mormons, whatever. they are not catholic for sure. and i am for sure not asking anybody to come and break my balls while i'm walking alone in the city. once you see the uniform, be just expected to get one of those shows.
the best way to get rid of them seems to fake yourself to be a muslem, at least untill they leave you alone. the asian religions are not "enough" so they might try to convert you to whatever they are selling, and as what i want is just to be on my own peace, i use whatever i can to get rid of them. being a muslem seems to be the fastest way. not knowing the language makes them only to try harder.
as said, i don't care what religion are those with that uniform (dark blue or black and white shirt). i jsut want to be left alone by them.
Ahh the dress issue never goes away... Remember we all have choice where we worship. If the people at given Church do not meet your idea of what is needed find a church that fits your ideas. I would say the job interview analogy is one worth mention. Keep in mind at a job interview you are trying to impress "would be" boss. You want the "would be" boss to think you have your stuff together. At Church one must ask are they trying to impress God with how they dress? God already knows we are not perfect. God does not care how we dress. I think there are some out there who still just don't get it with this issue.
Just my two cents. I am not bothered by a well dressed up person or a person in a t-shirt and jeans. It really does not matter at all.
Fellowship
Ah, but it does matter. (1) not to impress God, but to show respect. Dressing to visit the president would probably be a better example.
(2) take a look at ICor. 11: 2-16. The subject is "head coverings." On the surface it might appear that Paul wants women to keep their heads covered and we have simply ignored him, but that is not the point of the passage. In that place at that time, a married woman kept her head covered. It was a sign of a decent, married woman, much as a wedding ring in our culture. The issue was not to make others stumble or believers look immoral by disregarding a social symbol. So if all men, upon getting married, were to dye their hair green, a good Christian man should dye his green to show that he is married. It is respect for marriage and for his fellow men. What about in our society when a person dyes their hair green. What does it mean? It is a giant middle finger to everyone around him or her. "Hey, look at me! I am so above it all I can dye my hair GREEN." Is that a Christian attitude? Its not the clothes per se that matter; it is the attitude that they reveal. And when I see someone dressed down for church, it tells me that "all this Christianity stuff" just is not all that important to them. That is the message they are sending and THAT is what counts.
Because people notice what others are wearing if it is significantly different by instinct.
your condescention doesn't hide your ignorance. I didn't say a damn thing about not noticing what others are wearing. Why do you twist what everyone says? Oh yeah, because honesty isn't one of your strong points.
I gotta remember that the next time you start arguing a point no one made.
Wow you noticed. Another non-issue indeed. Funny how so many love to make issues out of everything. They paint Chuches as a certain light and then when a given Church does things different hmmmmm sort of like the Apple jingle people get all bent out of shape.
I think like I do with the Talliban and how they thought musical instruments were distractions against worship of Allah that as well people that focus on the dress of people or the dot. whatever after the web address is rather on the control freak side of the spectrum. I think it says more about those who get all bent out of shape than it does about the Churches that do things a little different.
Some methods have changed in some Churches. Just a reality. Some will hate that progress but hey some hated the word processor as well. Life changes.
Progress? What does any church have to do with progress?
Why would a church get a dot com domain? Vatican has a .va domain, not a .com. Catholic church for sure isnt' the most progressed of the Judaism-based religions (read: Christian whatever), but not even them have a dot com.
"Hey, look at me! I am so above it all I can dye my hair GREEN." Is that a Christian attitude? Its not the clothes per se that matter; it is the attitude that they reveal. And when I see someone dressed down for church, it tells me that "all this Christianity stuff" just is not all that important to them. That is the message they are sending and THAT is what counts.
I simply disagree but I respect your position. I just believe it matters not how one dresses at church. Respect is great person to person and I am a big advocate of respect. I am just not legalistic about it. I don't ever once recall Jesus getting onto somebody about their dress. I could be mistaken but I will say there are much more important things to worry about. You know there are many people that have had their lives changed by the power of Jesus today. Many have come in great mess. Drugs, etc. and they manage to change their lives in a great way. I think it is fine to allow a church to admit people without the strict attention to dress code.
I grew up in a different Church environment. It was formal and strict with rigid religious structure. Stand, Sit, Kneel, Stand, Sing, Pray, etc. Nothing ever changed and many feel a level of comfort with this style of worship. I would speculate many senior citizens prefer this style of traditional Church worship structure.
On the other hand I think there are some younger folks out there that embrace creative and different methods of worship and teaching.
I do not have a problem with either style. I just happen to believe we all have a choice as to where we choose to worship if at all.
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Originally posted by aquafire
I am a reader & believer of the URANTIA book so I get my spiritual life through that & through daily walking prayers & moments of meditation..
It does not replace the bible, but adds great depth & meaning to my spiritual life...
It is not an exageration to say it has had a profound effect on my way of living & seeing the universe.
http://www.urantia.org
http://www.truthbook.org
See also:
Urantia: The Great Cult Mystery, by Martin Gardner
And this from someone wondering why Martin Gardner even bothered to write the above book:
The UB [Urantia Book] was published in 1955 and runs to 2,097 pages of fairly standard holy-book material. An elaborate celestial hierarchy of swarming godlings and angel-analogues ruled by a supreme being ingenuously called the "Great I Am"; prophecies and revelations; a revisionist life of Christ; and so on. Weird neologisms abound, as in Scientology ("Urantia" is merely Earth), and are gleefully quoted. Outsiders find it odd that some regard the UB as validated by its predictions of scientific developments before the 1955 publication date. For UB fundamentalists, you see, it is an article of faith that the text was finalized in 1934.
Originally posted by LiquidR
See this is why I think why Christianity is dieing in the Western world, cuz so many so called Christians are so hung up on the superficial, the outer dressing of the faith (the type of music, what people are wearing, etc...) Non-Christians see this and think, man what a f***ing joke. This is why Islam is growing so hard core, it deals with things that are more real, sure a good number of Islamicists are armed paramilitary groups hell-bent on bombing US interests, but at least their faith is focused on something more substantial than what Jane Doe wore to church. This is ridiculous, this part of the reason I feel so uncomfortable with others of my own faith.
Actually the Talliban in Afganistan was very Islamic to the core and they did concern themselves over many of these things. They went door to door and destroyed musical instruments. We are talking about hand crafted generations old musical instruments passed from father to son generation after generation. The Talliban decided that music with instruments distracts from worship of Allah.
I saw a documentary on this subject with interviews and footage and photographs.
Again Live and let live and love all is a good policy.
Judging on behalf of others and taking violent action against them is really bad and for once I would wish we all could learn from history.
We must live and let live.
Fellowship
Originally posted by groverat
I was raised Mormon and as far as Christian churches go the LDS church experience was, IMO, far superior to anything I've experienced or even heard about.
Ohhhh, you're mormon. This explains so very much.
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...I found a nice middle ground in the Mormon area.
Originally posted by serrano
[B]Ohhhh, you're mormon. This explains so very much.
I am not a mormon but I will say I think it is rather rude to make fun of someone of another belief system just because it is different than yours.
Find something else to laugh at.
Fellowship
Originally posted by FellowshipChurch iBook
I am not a mormon but I will say I think it is rather rude to make fun of someone of another belief system just because it is different than yours.
Find something else to laugh at.
Fellowship
i agree with you fellowship, i know some cute mormon girls
haha some stricter mormon people freak me out but no reason to make fun
Christianity is in a curious position in the U.S., it has all but died out in Europe; going strong in Africa and South America---a fact that is conspicuous by its absence in the U.S. media.
Many Christians, I believe, are guilty of calling their converts into a kind of stasis, stranding them in a cultural vacuum. Christians, in my experience, are called to a lifestyle that is almost doomed to following the lowest common denominator of society in the "reaching out" process.
I think we all implicitly know that green hair and split tongues in our culture basically represent a great big F.U. to the "establishment."
Many Christians are a bit too busy absorbing the ambient culture to effect what comes after it. A friend of mine was leaving a house of worship last week and someone was handing out enrollment slips for vacation Bible school. The theme was S.C.U.B.A. or Super Cool Underwater Bible Adventure, my friend almost barfed----he said the year before, the camp counselors from another bible camp showed up at his house of worship looking like the members of Creed, replete with earrings and clear nail polish. He remarked that he refused to expose his children to that sort of rebellion.
I think this Illustrates that the Christian Church in America is in a very strange situation--where it absorbs the same attitudes that rip apart other institutions.
Very strange.
Re: formal dress.
It's like having a uniform. All the men wear white shirts with ties and nice pants. It's the exact opposite of showing off. If someone walked into an LDS church with brand names plastered on their clothes that would be odd. No Nike swoosh on the shoes, no TOMMY on the polo shirt, no Banana Republic on the khaki shorts.
Everyone looks the same so you can focus your attention elsewhere.
Originally posted by groverat
Everyone looks the same so you can focus your attention elsewhere.
How about teach people not to care what they look like even if they show up in Banana Republic shorts?
Originally posted by FellowsheepChurch iBook
If you have a PC you can watch the service at FC
FellowshipChurch.com (...) Keep in mind it gets nice and hot here in Dallas.(...)
If you have a PC? This is a Mac forum. Sorry dude. If you did get the Dell go to a PC forum.
Fellowship dot com as domain is something so grossly american. Religous, seeming so deep fried religious but add the dot com .. ot just scratch above the surface. The churches aren't supposed to be 'dot com's but 'dot org's.
It might get nice and hot in Dallas but you don't looks so shiningly happy in the picture either.
Originally posted by groverat
It's like having a uniform. All the men wear white shirts with ties and nice pants. It's the exact opposite of showing off. If someone walked into an LDS church with brand names plastered on their clothes that would be odd. No Nike swoosh on the shoes, no TOMMY on the polo shirt, no Banana Republic on the khaki shorts.
Everyone looks the same so you can focus your attention elsewhere.
Oh. Right. Seeing the guys in those uniforms puts my alert on, so instead of trying to look like a convertible *whatever* eastern (asian) type of religious, i might as well hide myself under a burqa for a moment ..
How about teach people not to care what they look like even if they show up in Banana Republic shorts?
Because people notice what others are wearing if it is significantly different by instinct. It's not about oppressing the poor masses it's about a show of where attention should be paid.
Surely the better part of intelligent and rational behavior is recognizing basic instincts and overcoming them despite the inherent petulant angry-teen cries for freedom of dress.
How very progressive of you to notice "people shouldn't care what others look like" like every parent teaches their 8-year-old. I'm very proud you took mommy's lesson to heart and feel that such platitudes apply to every situation like a glove.
I'm operating on a level above that, care to join me?
--
Giaguara:
Oh. Right. Seeing the guys in those uniforms puts my alert on, so instead of trying to look like a convertible *whatever* eastern (asian) type of religious, i might as well hide myself under a burqa for a moment
Yeah... what the hell are you talking about?
Originally posted by groverat
Everyone looks the same so you can focus your attention elsewhere.
Originally posted by bunge
How about teach people not to care what they look like even if they show up in Banana Republic shorts?
I think this is a common misconception, based on a fractured societal view of how individuals express themselves. We are related, one to another---otherwise we reduce each other into unrelated objects.
I have always been amazed at Christians who go to their house of worship in clothes they wouldn't be caught dead in for a job interview. There is a comical level of relativism exuded by the very poeple who militate against that very concept. Imagine you are called to the White House for a PR opportunity or meeting ...
Are you really going to show up in Banana Republic shorts?
I think what is at issue here is that even the Christians are looking for a relativistic worship experience---or at the very least are expressing to each other where that experience rates in the overall importance of their social engagements.
(I acutally remember when BR was selling the real thing)
Just my two cents. I am not bothered by a well dressed up person or a person in a t-shirt and jeans. It really does not matter at all.
Fellowship
Originally posted by Giaguara
If you have a PC? This is a Mac forum. Sorry dude. If you did get the Dell go to a PC forum.
Fellowship dot com as domain is something so grossly american. Religous, seeming so deep fried religious but add the dot com .. ot just scratch above the surface. The churches aren't supposed to be 'dot com's but 'dot org's.
It might get nice and hot in Dallas but you don't looks so shiningly happy in the picture either.
Wow you noticed. Another non-issue indeed. Funny how so many love to make issues out of everything. They paint Chuches as a certain light and then when a given Church does things different hmmmmm sort of like the Apple jingle people get all bent out of shape.
I think like I do with the Talliban and how they thought musical instruments were distractions against worship of Allah that as well people that focus on the dress of people or the dot. whatever after the web address is rather on the control freak side of the spectrum. I think it says more about those who get all bent out of shape than it does about the Churches that do things a little different.
Some methods have changed in some Churches. Just a reality. Some will hate that progress but hey some hated the word processor as well. Life changes.
Fellowship
the best way to get rid of them seems to fake yourself to be a muslem, at least untill they leave you alone. the asian religions are not "enough" so they might try to convert you to whatever they are selling, and as what i want is just to be on my own peace, i use whatever i can to get rid of them. being a muslem seems to be the fastest way. not knowing the language makes them only to try harder.
as said, i don't care what religion are those with that uniform (dark blue or black and white shirt). i jsut want to be left alone by them.
Originally posted by FellowshipChurch iBook
Ahh the dress issue never goes away... Remember we all have choice where we worship. If the people at given Church do not meet your idea of what is needed find a church that fits your ideas. I would say the job interview analogy is one worth mention. Keep in mind at a job interview you are trying to impress "would be" boss. You want the "would be" boss to think you have your stuff together. At Church one must ask are they trying to impress God with how they dress? God already knows we are not perfect. God does not care how we dress. I think there are some out there who still just don't get it with this issue.
Just my two cents. I am not bothered by a well dressed up person or a person in a t-shirt and jeans. It really does not matter at all.
Fellowship
Ah, but it does matter. (1) not to impress God, but to show respect. Dressing to visit the president would probably be a better example.
(2) take a look at ICor. 11: 2-16. The subject is "head coverings." On the surface it might appear that Paul wants women to keep their heads covered and we have simply ignored him, but that is not the point of the passage. In that place at that time, a married woman kept her head covered. It was a sign of a decent, married woman, much as a wedding ring in our culture. The issue was not to make others stumble or believers look immoral by disregarding a social symbol. So if all men, upon getting married, were to dye their hair green, a good Christian man should dye his green to show that he is married. It is respect for marriage and for his fellow men. What about in our society when a person dyes their hair green. What does it mean? It is a giant middle finger to everyone around him or her. "Hey, look at me! I am so above it all I can dye my hair GREEN." Is that a Christian attitude? Its not the clothes per se that matter; it is the attitude that they reveal. And when I see someone dressed down for church, it tells me that "all this Christianity stuff" just is not all that important to them. That is the message they are sending and THAT is what counts.
Originally posted by groverat
Because people notice what others are wearing if it is significantly different by instinct.
your condescention doesn't hide your ignorance. I didn't say a damn thing about not noticing what others are wearing. Why do you twist what everyone says? Oh yeah, because honesty isn't one of your strong points.
I gotta remember that the next time you start arguing a point no one made.
Originally posted by FellowshipChurch iBook
Wow you noticed. Another non-issue indeed. Funny how so many love to make issues out of everything. They paint Chuches as a certain light and then when a given Church does things different hmmmmm sort of like the Apple jingle people get all bent out of shape.
I think like I do with the Talliban and how they thought musical instruments were distractions against worship of Allah that as well people that focus on the dress of people or the dot. whatever after the web address is rather on the control freak side of the spectrum. I think it says more about those who get all bent out of shape than it does about the Churches that do things a little different.
Some methods have changed in some Churches. Just a reality. Some will hate that progress but hey some hated the word processor as well. Life changes.
Progress? What does any church have to do with progress?
Why would a church get a dot com domain? Vatican has a .va domain, not a .com. Catholic church for sure isnt' the most progressed of the Judaism-based religions (read: Christian whatever), but not even them have a dot com.
Originally posted by Fangorn
Ah, but it does matter.
"Hey, look at me! I am so above it all I can dye my hair GREEN." Is that a Christian attitude? Its not the clothes per se that matter; it is the attitude that they reveal. And when I see someone dressed down for church, it tells me that "all this Christianity stuff" just is not all that important to them. That is the message they are sending and THAT is what counts.
I simply disagree but I respect your position. I just believe it matters not how one dresses at church. Respect is great person to person and I am a big advocate of respect. I am just not legalistic about it. I don't ever once recall Jesus getting onto somebody about their dress. I could be mistaken but I will say there are much more important things to worry about. You know there are many people that have had their lives changed by the power of Jesus today. Many have come in great mess. Drugs, etc. and they manage to change their lives in a great way. I think it is fine to allow a church to admit people without the strict attention to dress code.
I grew up in a different Church environment. It was formal and strict with rigid religious structure. Stand, Sit, Kneel, Stand, Sing, Pray, etc. Nothing ever changed and many feel a level of comfort with this style of worship. I would speculate many senior citizens prefer this style of traditional Church worship structure.
On the other hand I think there are some younger folks out there that embrace creative and different methods of worship and teaching.
I do not have a problem with either style. I just happen to believe we all have a choice as to where we choose to worship if at all.
It is really not complicated.
Fellowship