I really wish they'd change the rest of the buttons to match the minimize button. I hate the ugly white line on the bottom of the rest of the buttons (well, I think the sunken buttons are plain ugly to begin with)- makes it look very squished, not round, and, well, ugly.
You have to adapt. It's as simple as that. If you want to use FontBook instead of Suitcase, you have to adapt to the DIFFERENT system Apple is using for managing fonts. It's a simple system.
a) "Adding fonts to the known fonts": Just drag all of your fonts to the DISABLED fonts folder. Location: "/Users/YOURNAME/Library/Fonts (Disabled)"
b) If you then want to activate a font, you just do that.
Yes, Suitcase gives you more flexibility. Then again, it's also a third party app with its own problems. For basic - and working - font management, FontBook 1 (remember, it's a version 1) is a nice lil' application. There was freeware working like it before, but Apple's solution is a nice one, too. Also consider the price: Free!
When making time-constrained design decisions, how DOES one sift through 5,000 fonts to find the best answer? 500 I can see, if categorized properly but... 5000? When designers make these claims - not that I don't believe you - it just seems kind of ridiculous. Extravagant even.
Nothing personal, I just don't get why that many fonts are required on a regular basis.
to be honest for most jobs i have a basic set of favourite fonts (in my head) which i tend to use all the time!
hey, they *are* classics!!
but where i work has been in business a long time, and the policy is for font sets (used to do this in atm deluxe, but now suitcase) for each project. clients have their own corporate fonts which we use. plus those times they insist of on a copperplate script for that text, a rubber stamp one for that, yadda, yadda...
If you are working in a big repro house and have most of the big collections such as Font Folio and Bitstream etc the amount of fonts held can grow serious.
I hold well above 12,000 now.
Looks like Font Book won't be of any help after all.
I know that scheduling wake from sleep is possible in the Energy Saver Preferences, but does Panther allow developers to have their applications wake up the computer? This is a truly needed feature, especially for things like Audio Hijack.
Last I heard, an API for that was being developed by Apple; I'm not sure whether it was introduced into 10.2, although there are certainly applications which will do this (vide Alarm Clock Pro, iSleep etc). There was definitely discussion about it in one of the Cocoa development forums (where some Apple engineers said that those developers doing hard-core IOKit stuff were basically wasting their time, because Apple were developing a nice API for it).
This was ages ago though, so unfortunately, no linkage.
If you are working in a big repro house and have most of the big collections such as Font Folio and Bitstream etc the amount of fonts held can grow serious.
I hold well above 12,000 now.
Looks like Font Book won't be of any help after all.
Sounds like you definitely fall into the 'pro' category.
I see Font Book as being like iDVD or iMovie, while what you need is Final Cut Pro.
What the heck though... FB might surprise you. Give it a whirl and see what develops. If it doesn't do it, then you're the target market for the pro utilities.
Sounds like you definitely fall into the 'pro' category.
I see Font Book as being like iDVD or iMovie, while what you need is Final Cut Pro.
Enh. From Apple's own pages, they seem to want Font Book targeted at pros. They're just trying to keep it simple.
The solution proposed a few posts up - dragging all the new fonts into the disabled folder if you don't want them all enabled - seems completely straightforward to me.
I cringe at the thought that Font Book will physically move fonts from one directory location to another as a way of activating/deactivating. That surely will crawl for people who are typologically changed.
That, my friends, is why - after a wonderful 30-day trial period - I gladly plunked down the money for FontAgent Pro. I couldn't be happier with it.
And that's coming from a guy who used ATM Deluxe for YEARS and think it's the measuring stick by which all other font managers should be compared to!
And I've pked along with Suitcase 10 n OS X for the past 18 months, unhappy all the way.
If you consider yourself a "pro" user or just happen to have a crapload of fonts and you'd like complete, easy and logical control over them, give FontAgent Pro a spin.
Like I said, you can download a 30-day working trial of it from their site. After about 4 or 5 days, I knew I wanted it.
I won't bore you with details and specs...go to their site and read for yourself (in particular, check out that section where they compare themselves to ATM Deluxe, Suitcase and Font Reserve:
i literally crapped myself when i heard extensis had bought out font reserve. people who don't have any typography experience don't realize that selecting type is more than just "close your eyes and point" or "which font do you think looks 'good'". when would you use a humanist or slab serif typeface? if you choose a calligraphic type style for part of your logo, does it offer enough weights and variances to allow you to shrink it to 1/8" high on newsprint in a newspaper ad?
font reserve's searching capabilities dwarfed suitcase's cute "waterfall" pages. in fact, diamondsoft had their type search engine patented, which is why extensis, in my opinion, had to resort to buying them out to acquire. plus, font reserve was the first with built-in font validation and repair, and, to my knowledge, is the ONLY font management program that actually distinguishes between version numbers of fonts.
yes, fonts get upgraded -- though most people do not realize that. optima, in version 1.0, crashed systems left and right because one bezier handle for one letter was off the scale, and they had to release an update for registered owners.
but we all BUY and OWN our fonts here, right???
(edit: this is how it feels to be an apple and mac supporter -- you know your vendor had the superior product well before anyone else in the field, but failed miserably on the marketing side of things. font reserve made a great product, but if no one ever saw ads for it, and therefore never bought it, did it ever really exist???)
p.s. could someone please edit that "----" bar in webscreamer's post (and one of the replies)? it's throwin' my browser window outta whack on 1024x768. thanks.
font reserve made a great product, but if no one ever saw ads for it, and therefore never bought it, did it ever really exist???
Good technology, but they might have hired someone to straighten out their UI concepts. Being bought out by Extensis won't help that much as the Suitcase team seems to have lost their copy of Apple HID guidelines.
Fonts are good stuff. I design for a living and I think I'll get buy with Apple's Fontbook + Unsanity fontcard when it comes out for Panther. We'll see for now I use FontAgent Pro.
P.S. Under US Copyright Law, fonts/typefaces aren't protected. It's a pretty gray area. Adobe trys to classify the typeface as "computer software" so as to have it protected. Last year a design firm was sued by Adobe for having about 30 duplicated copies of Adobe Font Folio 9. The judge threw out the lawsuit because typefaces weren't protected and the company was just including the fonts on the duplicate disks. It's kinda sad. Hopefully one day the law will include them properly.
The judge threw out the lawsuit because typefaces weren't protected and the company was just including the fonts on the duplicate disks. It's kinda sad. Hopefully one day the law will include them properly.
a shame, too. i know two people personally who design typefaces often (one for a living), and if people knew how much time, thought, effort, experimenting, sample sheets, experience, training and just flat-out artistic and design skill into just one good typeface, they'd realize it's got as much creative content as anything else out there.
Not to hijack but why the hell is this thread so damn WIDE? I don't see any monstrous URL links...
... is it Screamer's
"----------- thing" from the post where he pasted all the bugs in?
If so, FIX IT please....
Getting back to fonts, I can see why any large service bureau might need throusands of fonts (to match the files brough in to their shop at random), but what about the typical graphic desiger working in a corporate marketing department for example. Or just a freelance designer. Seems like a few hundred should do the trick from a design-only perspective.
Don't kill me, but I am not an ADC member. SOOOOO, if someone who is would submit them, it would be great!
so, if you're not an ADC member, then i assumer you just attended WWDC and got a legit copy of panther, right? otherwise, i am going to assume that you're running a bootleg version, a non-authorized seed, or just some crap someone else coddled together and posted on their carracho server. either way, you should NOT be using it!
Hm. I could've sworn I replied to this post before, must be a vBulletin glitch. Anyway, I'm not too lazy to repeat what I said.
Quote:
Originally posted by rok
so, if you're not an ADC member, then i assumer you just attended WWDC and got a legit copy of panther, right? otherwise, i am going to assume that you're running a bootleg version, a non-authorized seed, or just some crap someone else coddled together and posted on their carracho server. either way, you should NOT be using it!
so, if you're not an ADC member, then i assumer you just attended WWDC and got a legit copy of panther, right? otherwise, i am going to assume that you're running a bootleg version, a non-authorized seed, or just some crap someone else coddled together and posted on their carracho server. either way, you should NOT be using it!
Screamer: chill. The point is, you're using a build you're not authorized to have so it's kind of ballsy to ask someone else to report your bugs for you IMO. Not a huge deal, but you have to see where some of the commentators here are coming from.
One thing I haven't asked of recent builds: has Grab gone through any useful changes?
Comments
Originally posted by Webscreamer
- Middle Minimize button is ugly now in all apps in the Graphite theme. Ugly close button when mouse down.
http://www.webscreamer.com/personal/...button_off.jpg
and...
http://www.webscreamer.com/personal/...utton_down.jpg
I really wish they'd change the rest of the buttons to match the minimize button. I hate the ugly white line on the bottom of the rest of the buttons (well, I think the sunken buttons are plain ugly to begin with)- makes it look very squished, not round, and, well, ugly.
You have to adapt. It's as simple as that. If you want to use FontBook instead of Suitcase, you have to adapt to the DIFFERENT system Apple is using for managing fonts. It's a simple system.
a) "Adding fonts to the known fonts": Just drag all of your fonts to the DISABLED fonts folder. Location: "/Users/YOURNAME/Library/Fonts (Disabled)"
b) If you then want to activate a font, you just do that.
Yes, Suitcase gives you more flexibility. Then again, it's also a third party app with its own problems. For basic - and working - font management, FontBook 1 (remember, it's a version 1) is a nice lil' application. There was freeware working like it before, but Apple's solution is a nice one, too. Also consider the price: Free!
Originally posted by Moogs
When making time-constrained design decisions, how DOES one sift through 5,000 fonts to find the best answer? 500 I can see, if categorized properly but... 5000? When designers make these claims - not that I don't believe you - it just seems kind of ridiculous. Extravagant even.
Nothing personal, I just don't get why that many fonts are required on a regular basis.
to be honest for most jobs i have a basic set of favourite fonts (in my head) which i tend to use all the time!
hey, they *are* classics!!
but where i work has been in business a long time, and the policy is for font sets (used to do this in atm deluxe, but now suitcase) for each project. clients have their own corporate fonts which we use. plus those times they insist of on a copperplate script for that text, a rubber stamp one for that, yadda, yadda...
i can't believe we have that many sometimes!
I hold well above 12,000 now.
Looks like Font Book won't be of any help after all.
Originally posted by murk
I know that scheduling wake from sleep is possible in the Energy Saver Preferences, but does Panther allow developers to have their applications wake up the computer? This is a truly needed feature, especially for things like Audio Hijack.
Last I heard, an API for that was being developed by Apple; I'm not sure whether it was introduced into 10.2, although there are certainly applications which will do this (vide Alarm Clock Pro, iSleep etc). There was definitely discussion about it in one of the Cocoa development forums (where some Apple engineers said that those developers doing hard-core IOKit stuff were basically wasting their time, because Apple were developing a nice API for it).
This was ages ago though, so unfortunately, no linkage.
Originally posted by naderby
If you are working in a big repro house and have most of the big collections such as Font Folio and Bitstream etc the amount of fonts held can grow serious.
I hold well above 12,000 now.
Looks like Font Book won't be of any help after all.
Sounds like you definitely fall into the 'pro' category.
I see Font Book as being like iDVD or iMovie, while what you need is Final Cut Pro.
What the heck though... FB might surprise you. Give it a whirl and see what develops. If it doesn't do it, then you're the target market for the pro utilities.
Originally posted by Kickaha
Sounds like you definitely fall into the 'pro' category.
I see Font Book as being like iDVD or iMovie, while what you need is Final Cut Pro.
Enh. From Apple's own pages, they seem to want Font Book targeted at pros. They're just trying to keep it simple.
The solution proposed a few posts up - dragging all the new fonts into the disabled folder if you don't want them all enabled - seems completely straightforward to me.
But then, I only have 600-odd fonts.
And that's coming from a guy who used ATM Deluxe for YEARS and think it's the measuring stick by which all other font managers should be compared to!
And I've pked along with Suitcase 10 n OS X for the past 18 months, unhappy all the way.
If you consider yourself a "pro" user or just happen to have a crapload of fonts and you'd like complete, easy and logical control over them, give FontAgent Pro a spin.
Like I said, you can download a 30-day working trial of it from their site. After about 4 or 5 days, I knew I wanted it.
I won't bore you with details and specs...go to their site and read for yourself (in particular, check out that section where they compare themselves to ATM Deluxe, Suitcase and Font Reserve:
http://insidersoftware.com/products/...pro/index.html
font reserve's searching capabilities dwarfed suitcase's cute "waterfall" pages. in fact, diamondsoft had their type search engine patented, which is why extensis, in my opinion, had to resort to buying them out to acquire. plus, font reserve was the first with built-in font validation and repair, and, to my knowledge, is the ONLY font management program that actually distinguishes between version numbers of fonts.
yes, fonts get upgraded -- though most people do not realize that. optima, in version 1.0, crashed systems left and right because one bezier handle for one letter was off the scale, and they had to release an update for registered owners.
but we all BUY and OWN our fonts here, right???
(edit: this is how it feels to be an apple and mac supporter -- you know your vendor had the superior product well before anyone else in the field, but failed miserably on the marketing side of things. font reserve made a great product, but if no one ever saw ads for it, and therefore never bought it, did it ever really exist???)
p.s. could someone please edit that "----" bar in webscreamer's post (and one of the replies)? it's throwin' my browser window outta whack on 1024x768. thanks.
font reserve made a great product, but if no one ever saw ads for it, and therefore never bought it, did it ever really exist???
Good technology, but they might have hired someone to straighten out their UI concepts. Being bought out by Extensis won't help that much as the Suitcase team seems to have lost their copy of Apple HID guidelines.
P.S. Under US Copyright Law, fonts/typefaces aren't protected. It's a pretty gray area. Adobe trys to classify the typeface as "computer software" so as to have it protected. Last year a design firm was sued by Adobe for having about 30 duplicated copies of Adobe Font Folio 9. The judge threw out the lawsuit because typefaces weren't protected and the company was just including the fonts on the duplicate disks. It's kinda sad. Hopefully one day the law will include them properly.
Originally posted by inkhead
The judge threw out the lawsuit because typefaces weren't protected and the company was just including the fonts on the duplicate disks. It's kinda sad. Hopefully one day the law will include them properly.
a shame, too. i know two people personally who design typefaces often (one for a living), and if people knew how much time, thought, effort, experimenting, sample sheets, experience, training and just flat-out artistic and design skill into just one good typeface, they'd realize it's got as much creative content as anything else out there.
... is it Screamer's
"----------- thing" from the post where he pasted all the bugs in?
If so, FIX IT please....
Getting back to fonts, I can see why any large service bureau might need throusands of fonts (to match the files brough in to their shop at random), but what about the typical graphic desiger working in a corporate marketing department for example. Or just a freelance designer. Seems like a few hundred should do the trick from a design-only perspective.
Originally posted by Webscreamer
Don't kill me, but I am not an ADC member. SOOOOO, if someone who is would submit them, it would be great!
so, if you're not an ADC member, then i assumer you just attended WWDC and got a legit copy of panther, right? otherwise, i am going to assume that you're running a bootleg version, a non-authorized seed, or just some crap someone else coddled together and posted on their carracho server. either way, you should NOT be using it!
Originally posted by rok
so, if you're not an ADC member, then i assumer you just attended WWDC and got a legit copy of panther, right?
Actually, you need to be an ADC member to attend WWDC.
Originally posted by Moogs
... is it Screamer's
"----------- thing" from the post where he pasted all the bugs in?
If so, FIX IT please....
Yes. Done.
Originally posted by rok
so, if you're not an ADC member, then i assumer you just attended WWDC and got a legit copy of panther, right? otherwise, i am going to assume that you're running a bootleg version, a non-authorized seed, or just some crap someone else coddled together and posted on their carracho server. either way, you should NOT be using it!
Originally posted by rok
so, if you're not an ADC member, then i assumer you just attended WWDC and got a legit copy of panther, right? otherwise, i am going to assume that you're running a bootleg version, a non-authorized seed, or just some crap someone else coddled together and posted on their carracho server. either way, you should NOT be using it!
U a f*cking cop?
You need a ADC membership to get into WWDC fool.
Screamer: chill. The point is, you're using a build you're not authorized to have so it's kind of ballsy to ask someone else to report your bugs for you IMO. Not a huge deal, but you have to see where some of the commentators here are coming from.
One thing I haven't asked of recent builds: has Grab gone through any useful changes?