Except that in this situation we have one of the world's most militarily powerful countries that gets a whole, whole lot of our tax money implementing a law that applies only to the very group of militarily weak people that this country's leaders have commited to repressing, expelling or eliminating.
This is for you, too, Tulkas.
The law applies to the militarily weak people who's elected representatives have a goal of liquidation of the people of the more powerful country.
The law is wrong, but faced with a people, who's admitted goal, is not the formation of their own state (except as a tactic), but the erradication of the jewish vermin infesting palestine, surely, it is not the only issue worth discussing, or creating a thread about. Perhaps bunge would like to bring up the number of Israeli's killed during the 'ceasefire'. Or the constant moving of the goalposts by the palestinian side during roadmap discussions. I forgot, those aren't worth discussing, since they can't be pinned on Israel. But, boy, if Israel responds, then there will be no end to those that want to call the a Threat to Peace.
You and a handful of others here are unbelievably anti-semetic. I have my problems with some of Israels actions, too. The difference is I don't start threads like "Guess Who Blew Up....big surprise.....Sharon.....terrorist....war criminal...".
The rules you want enforced upon others will also be enforced upon you. We can do without the labeling of members and generalizations.
nothing says peace like a 20ft high concrete wall clad with barb wire... never would have guessed Israel would take a cue from Germany... Alanis had no idea she wrote a song that could be applied to so many situations... ironic don't you think...
amazing how people manage to justify throwing people out of their homes to make a state. I wonder how many people here would have pleasant words for a person who decided to take their homes.
And that whole, given by god thing: Are you serious? Are we really in this day and age using "holy text" to justify colonization? The same "holy texts" that clearly show the Israelites" killing every "non-believing" peoples they ran across?
Which have nothing to do with what I asked. I ask for how many since the 'ceasefire'. You remember, the one Israel was such a threat to because the are war hungry jews. No doubt, more palestinians dies during the uprising...happens when you go up against a superior military. Now, since, as has been said in threads here, in fact threads have been started about Israel being a threat to the peace process because the respond to terror, how many deaths since the ceasefire came in, and how often has warhungry Israel responded?
This is no worse than the East Timorese wanting to get Indonesia off of their island. It's no different than you kicking a theif out of our house.
Well, according your much loved UN, it is different. Israel actually has a right to exist, much as that may incense you. The PLO charter claims that is invalid, and would, in contratdiction of the UN position of Israel having a right to exist, wipe it out and kill all the jews in place...if they had the ability.
Besides which, it is different in so many more ways. As much as you find it irrelavant because it involves Jews, they do have historical ties to the land as their ancestral homeland. Much as the East Timorese have historical ties to their land, or the Irish have to their land. Just because they are jews doesn't mean they have no ties to the land, older and deeper than any other group.
I've never so much as implied otherwise. As much as it may incense you, I believe in the right for Israel to exist and I'd be first in line supporting the defense of Israel.
I'm also first in line supporting the defense of 'Palestine', or what should be.
I'm not sure why you keep mentioning 'Jews', because that word has nothing to do with the discussion. Unless you're racist, which it sounds like you might be.
I've never so much as implied otherwise. As much as it may incense you, I believe in the right for Israel to exist and I'd be first in line supporting the defense of Israel.
I'm also first in line supporting the defense of 'Palestine', or what should be.
I'm not sure why you keep mentioning 'Jews', because that word has nothing to do with the discussion. Unless you're racist, which it sounds like you might be.
Sorry, but if you believe there is no difference between the PLO fighting to eliminate all jews in Israel and the East Timorese wanting to get Indonesia on their Island, then you don't really believe in their right to exist, that is a situation where one side belongs and the other doesn't. You can say they words, but they ring pretty hollow. As you imply that the jews are simply thieves living in Palestine, if is difficult to truly see you ever defending their right to exist. In the same breath that you say they have they right to exist and have the right to exist, you also deplore their right to self defense, (they are then a threat to peace if they defend themselves), or to try and be preventative (though wrong) through laws like the ones discussed in this thread.
And why are you so afraid if the word jew. Israel is a jewish state. Some people feel a singular need to point out faults,only when fault can be blamed on israel. Some might think it has to do with Israel's unique position as a jews state. Other states receive US funding, though not as much. Some use questionable behavior. Only Israel gets regularly singled out for critical discussions. I use the word jew, as the discussion involves jews. I use the word arab, because it also invoves arabs. I also use the words israeli and Palestinian. I think perhaps you purposely try to avoid the use of the word jew, because your arguements take on too familiar a ring, when the word jews is used correctly in place of Isreal.
You can try and paint me as a racist if it helps you project and mask your arguements.
I've never so much as implied otherwise. As much as it may incense you, I believe in the right for Israel to exist
Actaully, you defended the PLO charter calling for the extermination of every jew in palestine as no different than wanting to get rid of a thief.
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Originally posted by bunge
and I'd be first in line supporting the defense of Israel.
hot air. Honestly, I have no doubt you would be the first in line to press the button on a gas chamber. It would eliminate the major threat to peace, as you say.
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Originally posted by bunge
I'm also first in line supporting the defense of 'Palestine', or what should be.
no doubt.
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Originally posted by bunge
I'm not sure why you keep mentioning 'Jews', because that word has nothing to do with the discussion. Unless you're racist, which it sounds like you might be.
Please demonstate something I have said that sounds racist. Please show me that you aren't just trying to deflect your own, not so hidden hatred of Israel, by pointing blame somewhere else.
"I don't hate *****, I would just prefer they were all dead"
Forgiveness by grace is a power where by all parties are relieved and given a freedom unlike any other. A freedom from resentment, a hardened heart, and bitterness. So so so many acts of sadness and pain are caused by resentment, a hardened heart, and bitterness. People inflict harm or wounds both physical and emotional (because of resentment, a hardened heart and bitterness) which can last if "unforgiven" for generations upon generations. The cycle can only stop via one and only one cure.... Forgiveness....
There is no other way to solve this...
For generations people try by way of failed methods to manage wrongs done to and from others.. only to find no peace.
If there was ever a message given by our Lord Jesus it is to forgive.. The power of forgiveness is beautiful and can advance human love and understang more than any philosophy or materialism of this world.
Without the willing acts to forgive humanity faces more hurt and pain.
And why are you so afraid if the word jew. Israel is a jewish state. Some people feel a singular need to point out faults,only when fault can be blamed on israel. Some might think it has to do with Israel's unique position as a jews state. Other states receive US funding, though not as much. Some use questionable behavior. Only Israel gets regularly singled out for critical discussions. I use the word jew, as the discussion involves jews. I use the word arab, because it also invoves arabs. I also use the words israeli and Palestinian. I think perhaps you purposely try to avoid the use of the word jew, because your arguements take on too familiar a ring, when the word jews is used correctly in place of Isreal.
Israel is Israel. The US is predominantly white, as the leaders are. From now on, you can only refer to the US as that white country.
And you are still missing it. I asked for number about how how many deaths had occured since the ceasefire had been in effect. You provided details, unrelated, as to how many deaths during the uprising..showing not a single death during the time frames I asked about.
Sorry Tulkas, but you're just being a dork. You can try and spin what I've said, but that doesn't make it true. I've never supported the idea that Palestinians should be able to push the Israelis into the sea. You have to create your straw man argument to try and defeat my points. Sorry, doesn't work.
Afraid of the word Jew? Why would I be? You're trying to twist what I've said so you can pretend I hate Jews. Why? Because obviously if I hate Jews then I lose the argument. Sorry, doesn't work.
Twisted? You're the one that's twisted. Why don't you go back and quote me instead of paraphrasing. In the process either you'll understand, or I'll be able to defend my words rather than attempting to defend your feeble attempts to twist my own.
First in line to start a gas chamber? Now that's just sick. If you've got to resort to attacking the person, then obviously you've got a very weak argument. I should say, no argument. Again, go back and quote me. In the process either you'll be enlightened, or at least I can defend my words rather than your paraphrasing.
However, the US is not a white country. Israel is a jewish state. Palestine will be an arab country. Sorry if that is difficult for you to comprehend.
Resorting to little nips, ay? Couple that with your attempt to change the subject and you expose your BS.
The point is that when we talk about Israel's actions, we are talking about the actions of Israel. Not the actions of 'the Jews.' Not even the actions of 'Jews.' We are talking about the actions of the state of Israel. Figure it out, chief.
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Originally posted by giant
Except that in this situation we have one of the world's most militarily powerful countries that gets a whole, whole lot of our tax money implementing a law that applies only to the very group of militarily weak people that this country's leaders have commited to repressing, expelling or eliminating.
This is for you, too, Tulkas.
The law applies to the militarily weak people who's elected representatives have a goal of liquidation of the people of the more powerful country.
The law is wrong, but faced with a people, who's admitted goal, is not the formation of their own state (except as a tactic), but the erradication of the jewish vermin infesting palestine, surely, it is not the only issue worth discussing, or creating a thread about. Perhaps bunge would like to bring up the number of Israeli's killed during the 'ceasefire'. Or the constant moving of the goalposts by the palestinian side during roadmap discussions. I forgot, those aren't worth discussing, since they can't be pinned on Israel. But, boy, if Israel responds, then there will be no end to those that want to call the a Threat to Peace.
Originally posted by SDW2001
You and a handful of others here are unbelievably anti-semetic. I have my problems with some of Israels actions, too. The difference is I don't start threads like "Guess Who Blew Up....big surprise.....Sharon.....terrorist....war criminal...".
The rules you want enforced upon others will also be enforced upon you. We can do without the labeling of members and generalizations.
Thank you.
And that whole, given by god thing: Are you serious? Are we really in this day and age using "holy text" to justify colonization? The same "holy texts" that clearly show the Israelites" killing every "non-believing" peoples they ran across?
This must be the MOST ironic thing ever!
Originally posted by Tulkas
Perhaps bunge would like to bring up the number of Israeli's killed during the 'ceasefire'.
Yes. Let start bringing up deaths:
Originally posted by Tulkas
...the erradication of the jewish vermin infesting palestine....
This is no worse than the East Timorese wanting to get Indonesia off of their island. It's no different than you kicking a theif out of our house.
Originally posted by giant
Yes. Let start bringing up deaths:
Which have nothing to do with what I asked. I ask for how many since the 'ceasefire'. You remember, the one Israel was such a threat to because the are war hungry jews. No doubt, more palestinians dies during the uprising...happens when you go up against a superior military. Now, since, as has been said in threads here, in fact threads have been started about Israel being a threat to the peace process because the respond to terror, how many deaths since the ceasefire came in, and how often has warhungry Israel responded?
Originally posted by bunge
This is no worse than the East Timorese wanting to get Indonesia off of their island. It's no different than you kicking a theif out of our house.
Well, according your much loved UN, it is different. Israel actually has a right to exist, much as that may incense you. The PLO charter claims that is invalid, and would, in contratdiction of the UN position of Israel having a right to exist, wipe it out and kill all the jews in place...if they had the ability.
Besides which, it is different in so many more ways. As much as you find it irrelavant because it involves Jews, they do have historical ties to the land as their ancestral homeland. Much as the East Timorese have historical ties to their land, or the Irish have to their land. Just because they are jews doesn't mean they have no ties to the land, older and deeper than any other group.
Originally posted by Tulkas
Israel actually has a right to exist....
I've never so much as implied otherwise. As much as it may incense you, I believe in the right for Israel to exist and I'd be first in line supporting the defense of Israel.
I'm also first in line supporting the defense of 'Palestine', or what should be.
I'm not sure why you keep mentioning 'Jews', because that word has nothing to do with the discussion. Unless you're racist, which it sounds like you might be.
Originally posted by bunge
I've never so much as implied otherwise. As much as it may incense you, I believe in the right for Israel to exist and I'd be first in line supporting the defense of Israel.
I'm also first in line supporting the defense of 'Palestine', or what should be.
I'm not sure why you keep mentioning 'Jews', because that word has nothing to do with the discussion. Unless you're racist, which it sounds like you might be.
Sorry, but if you believe there is no difference between the PLO fighting to eliminate all jews in Israel and the East Timorese wanting to get Indonesia on their Island, then you don't really believe in their right to exist, that is a situation where one side belongs and the other doesn't. You can say they words, but they ring pretty hollow. As you imply that the jews are simply thieves living in Palestine, if is difficult to truly see you ever defending their right to exist. In the same breath that you say they have they right to exist and have the right to exist, you also deplore their right to self defense, (they are then a threat to peace if they defend themselves), or to try and be preventative (though wrong) through laws like the ones discussed in this thread.
And why are you so afraid if the word jew. Israel is a jewish state. Some people feel a singular need to point out faults,only when fault can be blamed on israel. Some might think it has to do with Israel's unique position as a jews state. Other states receive US funding, though not as much. Some use questionable behavior. Only Israel gets regularly singled out for critical discussions. I use the word jew, as the discussion involves jews. I use the word arab, because it also invoves arabs. I also use the words israeli and Palestinian. I think perhaps you purposely try to avoid the use of the word jew, because your arguements take on too familiar a ring, when the word jews is used correctly in place of Isreal.
You can try and paint me as a racist if it helps you project and mask your arguements.
Originally posted by bunge
I've never so much as implied otherwise. As much as it may incense you, I believe in the right for Israel to exist
Actaully, you defended the PLO charter calling for the extermination of every jew in palestine as no different than wanting to get rid of a thief.
Originally posted by bunge
and I'd be first in line supporting the defense of Israel.
hot air. Honestly, I have no doubt you would be the first in line to press the button on a gas chamber. It would eliminate the major threat to peace, as you say.
Originally posted by bunge
I'm also first in line supporting the defense of 'Palestine', or what should be.
no doubt.
Originally posted by bunge
I'm not sure why you keep mentioning 'Jews', because that word has nothing to do with the discussion. Unless you're racist, which it sounds like you might be.
Please demonstate something I have said that sounds racist. Please show me that you aren't just trying to deflect your own, not so hidden hatred of Israel, by pointing blame somewhere else.
"I don't hate *****, I would just prefer they were all dead"
Originally posted by Tulkas
...UN...
Oh, you want to bring the UN into it, too? The UN is just about the last place you want to go in a discussion of Israel.
Forgiveness by grace is a power where by all parties are relieved and given a freedom unlike any other. A freedom from resentment, a hardened heart, and bitterness. So so so many acts of sadness and pain are caused by resentment, a hardened heart, and bitterness. People inflict harm or wounds both physical and emotional (because of resentment, a hardened heart and bitterness) which can last if "unforgiven" for generations upon generations. The cycle can only stop via one and only one cure.... Forgiveness....
There is no other way to solve this...
For generations people try by way of failed methods to manage wrongs done to and from others.. only to find no peace.
If there was ever a message given by our Lord Jesus it is to forgive.. The power of forgiveness is beautiful and can advance human love and understang more than any philosophy or materialism of this world.
Without the willing acts to forgive humanity faces more hurt and pain.
With Love from His Grace,
Fellowship
Originally posted by Tulkas
And why are you so afraid if the word jew. Israel is a jewish state. Some people feel a singular need to point out faults,only when fault can be blamed on israel. Some might think it has to do with Israel's unique position as a jews state. Other states receive US funding, though not as much. Some use questionable behavior. Only Israel gets regularly singled out for critical discussions. I use the word jew, as the discussion involves jews. I use the word arab, because it also invoves arabs. I also use the words israeli and Palestinian. I think perhaps you purposely try to avoid the use of the word jew, because your arguements take on too familiar a ring, when the word jews is used correctly in place of Isreal.
Israel is Israel. The US is predominantly white, as the leaders are. From now on, you can only refer to the US as that white country.
Originally posted by Tulkas
No doubt, more palestinians dies during the uprising...happens when you go up against a superior military.
Ah, so you are starting to see the point.
Originally posted by giant
Israel is Israel. The US is predominantly white, as the leaders are. From now on, you can only refer to the US as that white country.
And many see you that way.
However, the US is not a white country. Israel is a jewish state. Palestine will be an arab country. Sorry if that is difficult for you to comprehend.
Originally posted by giant
Ah, so you are starting to see the point.
And you are still missing it. I asked for number about how how many deaths had occured since the ceasefire had been in effect. You provided details, unrelated, as to how many deaths during the uprising..showing not a single death during the time frames I asked about.
Afraid of the word Jew? Why would I be? You're trying to twist what I've said so you can pretend I hate Jews. Why? Because obviously if I hate Jews then I lose the argument. Sorry, doesn't work.
Twisted? You're the one that's twisted. Why don't you go back and quote me instead of paraphrasing. In the process either you'll understand, or I'll be able to defend my words rather than attempting to defend your feeble attempts to twist my own.
First in line to start a gas chamber? Now that's just sick. If you've got to resort to attacking the person, then obviously you've got a very weak argument. I should say, no argument. Again, go back and quote me. In the process either you'll be enlightened, or at least I can defend my words rather than your paraphrasing.
Originally posted by Tulkas
And many see you that way.
However, the US is not a white country. Israel is a jewish state. Palestine will be an arab country. Sorry if that is difficult for you to comprehend.
Resorting to little nips, ay? Couple that with your attempt to change the subject and you expose your BS.
The point is that when we talk about Israel's actions, we are talking about the actions of Israel. Not the actions of 'the Jews.' Not even the actions of 'Jews.' We are talking about the actions of the state of Israel. Figure it out, chief.