Give Gaza to israel and transfer the population to the West bank, (...) Of course this will never happen but it would be sensible in my opinion...................
It would be sensible to move 1,3 million people forcefully!?! From the most populated single area on earth!?! How the hell is that gonna make palestine a viable state? israel already is a viable state. It's been that for quite a while.
Did you know there are only 7000 settlers in Gaza? Any ambitions for more than the 67 borders are colonial (or religious).
Wow, Godwin's Law practically kicked in before the thread started.
Godwin's Law ___ prov. ___ [Usenet] "As a Usenet discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one." There is a tradition in many groups that, once this occurs, that thread is over, and whoever mentioned the Nazis has automatically lost whatever argument was in progress. Godwin's Law thus practically guarantees the existence of an upper bound on thread length in those groups. However there is also a widely- recognized codicil that any intentional triggering of Godwin's Law in order to invoke its thread-ending effects will be unsuccessful.
It would be sensible to move 1,3 million people forcefully!?! From the most populated single area on earth!?! How the hell is that gonna make palestine a viable state? israel already is a viable state. It's been that for quite a while.
Did you know there are only 7000 settlers in Gaza? Any ambitions for more than the 67 borders are colonial (or religious).
Gaza would be seperated from the new state in the west bank as is. Putting through a connection thru Israel would be difficult and Israel would have to watch 2 borders instead of one. There are 1.3 million people in Gaza because they breed like rabbits. Thats their own fault..........................
Gaza would be seperated from the new state in the west bank as is. Putting through a connection thru Israel would be difficult and Israel would have to watch 2 borders instead of one. There are 1.3 million people in Gaza because they breed like rabbits. Thats their own fault..........................
Yeh! They breed like rabbits. They ain't human. Too many of them there. The only answer is to send in the foxes........................
Look at a map and see what happens to israel in those 1967 borders. I dont blame them for not accepting that, since Israel will be squeezed in the middle and would get too little land mass considering they were the victors in the wars against her.
Victorious in a pre-emptive war that Israel admitted was partially used as an excuse.
Why are you so worried about Israel's border? Go look at the border[s] Palestine was offered three years ago.
Yeh! They breed like rabbits. They ain't human. Too many of them there. The only answer is to send in the foxes........................
Racist scum.
I knew some moron would chime in with the racist canard. I said they breed like rabbits-rabbits have a high birth rate, get it? Arafat decades ago ordered palestinians to increase their birth rate so their population could overwhelm those of jews in Israel. An idiotic policy fomented by an idiot.............
Victorious in a pre-emptive war that Israel admitted was partially used as an excuse.
Why are you so worried about Israel's border? Go look at the border[s] Palestine was offered three years ago.
They're lucky they are getting any offer at all. Since when do vistorious countries offer anything to the losers? Why should Israel be held to a higher standard than any other country? Did the US give Texas and California back to Mexico? (well, lately it seems that way).
The Palestinians should take what they can get and get on with it already, and the other Arab countries should have taken in the refugees decades ago. They certainly have enough land to house their 'brothers', whom they treat like pawns for their own purposes.......................................
It's a racist law because it's formulated by a state where racism is institutionalised. An apartheid state in fact. If this wasn't Israel we are talking about but some other state conducting the same catalogue of questionable actions then we wouldn't be having this discussion.
I didn't hear anyone supporting South Africa, Burma, China in Tibet or making excuses for their behaviour and offering justifications for racism and genocide. <
Israel is committing genocide? My, aren't we feeling a little hyperbolic today?
>We are hearing it in this case because:
1) No-one can speak out against Israel without the 'R' word raising it's head.
2) The US is so much in bed with Israel that any US-based criticism is seen (painted) as an attack on the US rather than US policy.
3) Succesive US administrations are scared of Israel. Petrified. Or rather of DC Jewish lobbies. Note Powell's speech last week criticising the Wall: he said "Our friends in Israel must know if they have gone too far". <
Why one earth would politicians be scared of israel or their lobbyists? What they are scared of are Evangelical Christians who number in the tens of millions who support Israel without fail, and who dont believe Israel should give up a drop of land for a Palestinian State.
>4) There is a traditional anti-Arab/Muslim animus in the West in general and people have 'chosen sides'.<
Gee i wonder why, Einstein? I dont see any Jews or Israelis slaughtering Americans, do you? Arabs and Muslims culture is infested with violence and bloodlust right now. It will take decades to alleviate or possibly never if moderate muslims dont speak out against terrorism.
>There's so much more but I really can't be bothered. Basically this is a racist state and the only people who won't admit it are Israelis (no - not Jews, I know many Jews who would accept Israel is racist), fundie Xians and die-hard wingnuts of all varieties.
The whole Jewish fundamentalist religious paradigm is founded on a racist postulate (that God would choose one people over all his other creation) and legitimises discrimination on racial grounds. Let's just call it what it is:
if it looks like racism, smells like racism and acts like racism then it's **** racism. Period, No excuses.
There are many groups within Israel who dont agree with many of the policies and are trying to change them. To condemn all of israel as racist is assinine. There are large numbers of Labor supporters and green parties there who have a different mind set. I guess you dont want to see any of that because it would disturb your blanket condemnation..........................
I knew some moron would chime in with the racist canard. I said they breed like rabbits-rabbits have a high birth rate, get it? Arafat decades ago ordered palestinians to increase their birth rate so their population could overwhelm those of jews in Israel. An idiotic policy fomented by an idiot.............
To compare palestinian breeding to that of rabbits... To claim that Arafat controls just how many children are conscieved by the arabs in palestine... Steve666: take a hike!
Look it up. The PLO's plan was for Palestinians to so out-number Jews that a takeover of the West bank and Gaza would be impossible. Therefore, they were implored to have as many babies as possible-and they did. Now they suffer the consequences. Whats the matter, did i shatter your ideal vision of a killer?........................................... .....
Look it up. The PLO's plan was for Palestinians to so out-number Jews that a takeover of the West bank and Gaza would be impossible. Therefore, they were implored to have as many babies as possible-and they did. Now they suffer the consequences. Whats the matter, did i shatter your ideal vision of a killer?........................................... .....
I am no enemy of Israel. I am no enemy of judaism. I am no enemy of jews. I am however an enemy of oppression. Israel treats palestinians as second-grade people and are then indifferent when the palestinians feel oppressed. Israel, time and again, seeks to expand its territory at the cost of palestinian soil and yet finds itself angered when the palestinians choose to fight back. I don't support terrorism. Suicide bombings are an act of terrorism and they are truly horrible. But blowing up houses with innocent civilians from an airfighter or apache helicopter is no less an act of terrorism than that of the young palestinian killing himself and others in a crowded cafè using triggered explosives.
You don't have to preface anything with a caveat - if you're against racism, oppression and human rights abuses then you're against them wherever they occur.
That needs no justification to anyone.
I was merely pointing out that I am no anti-semit and thusly removing that as a means of quickly disregarding what I just wrote.
They're lucky they are getting any offer at all. Since when do vistorious countries offer anything to the losers? Why should Israel be held to a higher standard than any other country? Did the US give Texas and California back to Mexico?
Israel is lucky to have the U.S.A. on her side. Otherwise they might already have been forced to give it back.
Since when do we offer anything to the losers? Since when to we allow a country that attacks gain anything? Not since before Hitler. Is the U.S. going to be allowed to keep Afghanistan or Iraq?
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Originally posted by steve666
The Palestinians should take what they can get and get on with it already....
Or perhaps the rest of the world should just lose patience with Israel?
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Originally posted by steve666
Give Gaza to israel and transfer the population to the West bank, (...) Of course this will never happen but it would be sensible in my opinion...................
It would be sensible to move 1,3 million people forcefully!?! From the most populated single area on earth!?! How the hell is that gonna make palestine a viable state? israel already is a viable state. It's been that for quite a while.
Did you know there are only 7000 settlers in Gaza? Any ambitions for more than the 67 borders are colonial (or religious).
Originally posted by dfryer
Wow, Godwin's Law practically kicked in before the thread started.
Godwin's Law ___ prov. ___ [Usenet] "As a Usenet discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one." There is a tradition in many groups that, once this occurs, that thread is over, and whoever mentioned the Nazis has automatically lost whatever argument was in progress. Godwin's Law thus practically guarantees the existence of an upper bound on thread length in those groups. However there is also a widely- recognized codicil that any intentional triggering of Godwin's Law in order to invoke its thread-ending effects will be unsuccessful.
hehe, funny.
Originally posted by New
It would be sensible to move 1,3 million people forcefully!?! From the most populated single area on earth!?! How the hell is that gonna make palestine a viable state? israel already is a viable state. It's been that for quite a while.
Did you know there are only 7000 settlers in Gaza? Any ambitions for more than the 67 borders are colonial (or religious).
Gaza would be seperated from the new state in the west bank as is. Putting through a connection thru Israel would be difficult and Israel would have to watch 2 borders instead of one. There are 1.3 million people in Gaza because they breed like rabbits. Thats their own fault..........................
Originally posted by steve666
Gaza would be seperated from the new state in the west bank as is. Putting through a connection thru Israel would be difficult and Israel would have to watch 2 borders instead of one. There are 1.3 million people in Gaza because they breed like rabbits. Thats their own fault..........................
Yeh! They breed like rabbits. They ain't human. Too many of them there. The only answer is to send in the foxes........................
Racist scum.
Now lets move on.
- It singles out one ethnic group.
- It denies people some basic human rights *on a blanket basis*
This constitues a racist law in my opinion.
I believe, there is a line no democracy should cross. Beyond this line are torture, institutional racism and war mongering.
Originally posted by steve666
Look at a map and see what happens to israel in those 1967 borders. I dont blame them for not accepting that, since Israel will be squeezed in the middle and would get too little land mass considering they were the victors in the wars against her.
Victorious in a pre-emptive war that Israel admitted was partially used as an excuse.
Why are you so worried about Israel's border? Go look at the border[s] Palestine was offered three years ago.
Originally posted by Harald
Yeh! They breed like rabbits. They ain't human. Too many of them there. The only answer is to send in the foxes........................
Racist scum.
I knew some moron would chime in with the racist canard. I said they breed like rabbits-rabbits have a high birth rate, get it? Arafat decades ago ordered palestinians to increase their birth rate so their population could overwhelm those of jews in Israel. An idiotic policy fomented by an idiot.............
Originally posted by bunge
Victorious in a pre-emptive war that Israel admitted was partially used as an excuse.
Why are you so worried about Israel's border? Go look at the border[s] Palestine was offered three years ago.
They're lucky they are getting any offer at all. Since when do vistorious countries offer anything to the losers? Why should Israel be held to a higher standard than any other country? Did the US give Texas and California back to Mexico? (well, lately it seems that way).
The Palestinians should take what they can get and get on with it already, and the other Arab countries should have taken in the refugees decades ago. They certainly have enough land to house their 'brothers', whom they treat like pawns for their own purposes.......................................
Originally posted by segovius
It's a racist law because it's formulated by a state where racism is institutionalised. An apartheid state in fact. If this wasn't Israel we are talking about but some other state conducting the same catalogue of questionable actions then we wouldn't be having this discussion.
I didn't hear anyone supporting South Africa, Burma, China in Tibet or making excuses for their behaviour and offering justifications for racism and genocide. <
Israel is committing genocide? My, aren't we feeling a little hyperbolic today?
>We are hearing it in this case because:
1) No-one can speak out against Israel without the 'R' word raising it's head.
2) The US is so much in bed with Israel that any US-based criticism is seen (painted) as an attack on the US rather than US policy.
3) Succesive US administrations are scared of Israel. Petrified. Or rather of DC Jewish lobbies. Note Powell's speech last week criticising the Wall: he said "Our friends in Israel must know if they have gone too far". <
Why one earth would politicians be scared of israel or their lobbyists? What they are scared of are Evangelical Christians who number in the tens of millions who support Israel without fail, and who dont believe Israel should give up a drop of land for a Palestinian State.
>4) There is a traditional anti-Arab/Muslim animus in the West in general and people have 'chosen sides'.<
Gee i wonder why, Einstein? I dont see any Jews or Israelis slaughtering Americans, do you? Arabs and Muslims culture is infested with violence and bloodlust right now. It will take decades to alleviate or possibly never if moderate muslims dont speak out against terrorism.
>There's so much more but I really can't be bothered. Basically this is a racist state and the only people who won't admit it are Israelis (no - not Jews, I know many Jews who would accept Israel is racist), fundie Xians and die-hard wingnuts of all varieties.
The whole Jewish fundamentalist religious paradigm is founded on a racist postulate (that God would choose one people over all his other creation) and legitimises discrimination on racial grounds. Let's just call it what it is:
if it looks like racism, smells like racism and acts like racism then it's **** racism. Period, No excuses.
There are many groups within Israel who dont agree with many of the policies and are trying to change them. To condemn all of israel as racist is assinine. There are large numbers of Labor supporters and green parties there who have a different mind set. I guess you dont want to see any of that because it would disturb your blanket condemnation..........................
Originally posted by steve666
I knew some moron would chime in with the racist canard. I said they breed like rabbits-rabbits have a high birth rate, get it? Arafat decades ago ordered palestinians to increase their birth rate so their population could overwhelm those of jews in Israel. An idiotic policy fomented by an idiot.............
Arafat ordered the birth-rates?
Originally posted by New
Arafat ordered the birth-rates?
Look it up. The PLO's plan was for Palestinians to so out-number Jews that a takeover of the West bank and Gaza would be impossible. Therefore, they were implored to have as many babies as possible-and they did. Now they suffer the consequences. Whats the matter, did i shatter your ideal vision of a killer?........................................... .....
Originally posted by KANE
Which country are you from Steve666? What religion, if any, do you confine to?
I'm from the United States. I was born jewish but I don't believe in organized religion so I am agnostic......................
Originally posted by steve666
Look it up. The PLO's plan was for Palestinians to so out-number Jews that a takeover of the West bank and Gaza would be impossible. Therefore, they were implored to have as many babies as possible-and they did. Now they suffer the consequences. Whats the matter, did i shatter your ideal vision of a killer?........................................... .....
And the americans in Iraq has X-ray glasses.
Originally posted by segovius
You don't have to preface anything with a caveat - if you're against racism, oppression and human rights abuses then you're against them wherever they occur.
That needs no justification to anyone.
I was merely pointing out that I am no anti-semit and thusly removing that as a means of quickly disregarding what I just wrote.
Originally posted by steve666
They're lucky they are getting any offer at all. Since when do vistorious countries offer anything to the losers? Why should Israel be held to a higher standard than any other country? Did the US give Texas and California back to Mexico?
Israel is lucky to have the U.S.A. on her side. Otherwise they might already have been forced to give it back.
Since when do we offer anything to the losers? Since when to we allow a country that attacks gain anything? Not since before Hitler. Is the U.S. going to be allowed to keep Afghanistan or Iraq?
Originally posted by steve666
The Palestinians should take what they can get and get on with it already....
Or perhaps the rest of the world should just lose patience with Israel?