Not at the Apple Store US. The United States online Apple Store has shown 3-5 days consistently now for the past month +/-
By the way, last time there was a pending expo (*cough* WWDC), there was some "premature specification," a few nights before the Expo. Hope that happens again! Recently, during the iMac/iPod update, there was some problems with the upload of new graphics to the Apple Store, where REALLY old graphics were shown temporarily. Of course, the Store went down a few minutes later and those problems were fixed. I need to put some closure on this whole PowerBook situation. I'll probably look back upon this whole chapter as "what the **** was I thinking?"
I have a feeling Apple went into the G5 project with the full intention of putting the G5 into a Powerbook soon after a Powermac. If I am correct, this would give them almost 1-2 years to engineer a cooling system and case design for the Powerbook G5. I have a feeling the aluminum enclosures are a step towards the G5 case redesign for the PB. I doubt that even Apple could redesign a mobo, cooling system, and case over the summer. If they did, they are absolute geniuses (not that they aren't already).
But ultimately, I think Apple has had the intention of putting a G5 into a Powerbook for some time, and Joswiak said several months ago now not to expect a G5 in a Powerbook anytime soon...what that means who knows...but what do you expect "Well, we will have a G5 Powerbook out by the end of fall..." I think not.
There is also the issue with the "phantom" supply of 1.2-1.4 Ghz G5s that were reported several months ago. Whether or not they exist or not...who knows. But if they do, it is very possible they were intended for the Powerbook. Combine that with the fact that the iMacs don't have 7457 chips, merely overclocked 7455s to 1.25 Ghz, and the fact that a 1.2 Ghz G5 has the same heat and power consumption as a 1 Ghz G4, and I think we have a strong case for a G5 Powerbook soon.
The only thing that prevents me from believing my theory 100% is that Paris seems too small for such a big product announcement...then again..WWDC isn't a huge forum either, and Apple still successfully commanded a crap-load of media attention, and the fact the iMacs have 7455s not 7457 means that Apple may have reserved their limited quantities exclusively for the Powerbook line. In any case, I've said it before...I would be happy with a 1.3 Ghz 7457 G4 with 2MB L3 cache, backlit keyboard, FW800, BT, AE, in an Aluminum enclosure with a Radeon graphic card...but I would be MUCh happier (as I think we all would) with all that running along side a 64-bit G5.
I believe that Apple has alot of issues but one thing is certain!!!September 23 AMD will release a 64 bit processor and Alienware has a notebook ready for the release!Apple has been struggling along but they announced the FIRST 64 Bit Processor!!!! AS always they were first in the technology and along comes AMD,WINTEL to move in for more glory!!!!Hopefully Apple has seen the future and will be ready for a huge announcment in Paris and if not they will look pretty silly in the earlier statement "THIS IS THE YEAR OF THE LAPTOP" But I am new so maybe this is just there rutine business to set the stage for all others!
I believe that Apple has alot of issues but one thing is certain!!!September 23 AMD will release a 64 bit processor and Alienware has a notebook ready for the release!Apple has been struggling along but they announced the FIRST 64 Bit Processor!!!! AS always they were first in the technology and along comes AMD,WINTEL to move in for more glory!!!!Hopefully Apple has seen the future and will be ready for a huge announcment in Paris and if not they will look pretty silly in the earlier statement "THIS IS THE YEAR OF THE LAPTOP" But I am new so maybe this is just there rutine business to set the stage for all others!
Here's the specs
Alienware
1.7Ghz (equiv. to 1.5Ghz G5)
Blah blah
8.5 lbs. (10.6lbs. with 17")
Almost 2hrs. batt. life!
P.S. Year Of The Laptop = Skyrocketing laptop sales percentage, not fast 'Books.
what's up with those powerpage.org posts. they don't make any sense to me.
and hasn't apple already told resellers that new powerbooks will be out and shipping next week, so why are people taking powerpage seriously?
the info from powerpage seems incoherent and totally out of it. it's almost as if they're intentionally starting farfetched no new powerbooks rumor to keep people guessing and (probably more likely reason) to drive people to their site.
THERE WILL NOT BE A G5 PowerBook AT MAC EXPO PARIS.
Wow, are you Steve Jobs? How can you be so sure...
I love how people are so sure about the idea that there might not be Powerbook G5 at Paris, but those of us holding out hope have evidence and common sense to back up our claims. We aren't saying there WILL be G5 Powerbooks at Paris, we are simply saying the possibility is there. If you have no valid evidence to back up your claim...then don't ruin the rest of our optimism. I hope they Apple get's G5 Powerbooks if only to prove everyone wrong who said they can't do it. But who knows...only Apple. I just need a damn Powerbook.
I love how people are so sure about the idea that there might not be Powerbook G5 at Paris, but those of us holding out hope have evidence and common sense to back up our claims. We aren't saying there WILL be G5 Powerbooks at Paris, we are simply saying the possibility is there. If you have no valid evidence to back up your claim...then don't ruin the rest of our optimism. I hope they Apple get's G5 Powerbooks if only to prove everyone wrong who said they can't do it. But who knows...only Apple. I just need a damn Powerbook.
I'll have a big laugh if it happens, but I don't think it will either. The only thing that makes me think it might, is the seemingly long delay there has been in getting a 15" AlBook on the market. Steve Jobs loves surprises.
After the new 15" failed to surface in late August (was it the 24th?), I decided I couldn't wait any longer and ordered a TiBook, which turned up two days later. Last week, after only 2 weeks it started to develop noticeable brighter areas on the display. I sent it to the local service shop last week. When I rang them this morning they said that the laptop would be returned to Apple and that I will be getting a new one, which is nice.
He said however that they are not expecting to get one before the end of the month.
Hmmm. Sucks that I have to wait, but this could be a good thing...
I love how people are so sure about the idea that there might not be Powerbook G5 at Paris, but those of us holding out hope have evidence and common sense to back up our claims.
Hmmm. Sorry, evidence and common sense back up the claims of a Powerbook G5 arriving sometime in mid-2004.
Absolutely zero evidence and common sense supports a PowerBook g5 in less than a week.
It really doesn't take a genius to figure this out. The G5 chip -- as it is right now -- will simply not fit quietly into an 1" enclosure.
Hmmm. Sorry, evidence and common sense back up the claims of a Powerbook G5 arriving sometime in mid-2004.
Absolutely zero evidence and common sense supports a PowerBook g5 in less than a week.
It really doesn't take a genius to figure this out. The G5 chip -- as it is right now -- will simply not fit quietly into an 1" enclosure.
If Apple can throw a 1.25 Ghz 7455 Moto chip in there, they can sure as hell put a 1.2 Ghz G5 into a Powerbook enclosure. Less heat, less power consumption..same size. Hell, they probably even have 20,000 1.2-1.4 Ghz G5s lying around too. All I'm saying is, never underestimate Apple. They have done things before that we thought weren't possible at the time, who's to say they won't do it next week.
OK, so now our favorite site has confirmed G4 PowerBooks next week. You will excuse me if I don't believe it 100%. Maybe 51%.
So, will more sites fall all over themselves to back this up? Looking back over the past few days, there has been a ton of information, but almost none of it is in agreement.
Whatever I order on Tuesday, I just pray it ships immediately.
Well that puts a nail in my argument. Ok, now the question is whether to buy a top of the line 15" 7457 Powerbook, or hold on to my iBook 800 and wait for the G5. Hmmmmm, decisions decisions.
Here is a pic of the G5 chip and heatsink. Like to see them stuff that in 1" thick frame...
Stolen from MacArs thread..
Uh...that's for a G5 running at 1.8 Ghz. It is a FACT that a G5 running at 1.2 Ghz dissipates = or less heat than a 7455 G4 (ya know...the one's CURRENTLY in that 1" frame) and also uses less power.
I have NO problem buying a Powerbook G4 if it is a 7457 G4 running at 1.3 Ghz, with 512KB L2 and 2MB L3 cache with a Radeon graphics card, backlit keybaord, AE, BT, FW800, the works...but it better be at the same price point or I am just gonna pass and wait for the G5. Sorry, just had to throw that out there...
I have NO problem buying a Powerbook G4 if it is a 7457 G4 running at 1.3 Ghz, with 512KB L2 and 2MB L3 cache with a Radeon graphics card, backlit keybaord, AE, BT, FW800, the works...but it better be at the same price point or I am just gonna pass and wait for the G5. Sorry, just had to throw that out there...
I know the '57 has a 512K L2, but is the 2M L3 on-chip? I just don't know. Do we know the FSB speed? I thought 1.25 GHz implied 167MHz, and 1.3(3) implied 200MHz? What multipliers are possible? I guess maybe I'm thinking wrong, as 167MHz/1.25GHz is 7.5x, and 167MHz/1.33GHz is 8.0x.
In any case, going from 1.0GHz (what is it, a 7447?) to 1.25GHz (7457) should be more than a 25% "speed increase", yes?
I know the '57 has a 512K L2, but is the 2M L3 on-chip? I just don't know. Do we know the FSB speed? I thought 1.25 GHz implied 167MHz, and 1.3(3) implied 200MHz? What multipliers are possible? I guess maybe I'm thinking wrong, as 167MHz/1.25GHz is 7.5x, and 167MHz/1.33GHz is 8.0x.
In any case, going from 1.0GHz (what is it, a 7447?) to 1.25GHz (7457) should be more than a 25% "speed increase", yes?
I saw it on Motos semiconductor site. It says UP TO 2 MB L3 cache. It would sure be nice if Apple decided to use it. I think the FSB would be 200 Mhz. And I am going from a 667 TiBook with 16MB video Ram, so more than 2x the speed and 4x the video power, not to mention 2 MB of L3 cache, throw in an 80GB HD, and I'm gettin me a Powerbook
Comments
Originally posted by Chopper3
Todays build time for;
12inch about a week
17inch about a week
15inch is 2-3 weeks
Take from that what you like.
Not at the Apple Store US. The United States online Apple Store has shown 3-5 days consistently now for the past month +/-
By the way, last time there was a pending expo (*cough* WWDC), there was some "premature specification," a few nights before the Expo. Hope that happens again! Recently, during the iMac/iPod update, there was some problems with the upload of new graphics to the Apple Store, where REALLY old graphics were shown temporarily. Of course, the Store went down a few minutes later and those problems were fixed. I need to put some closure on this whole PowerBook situation. I'll probably look back upon this whole chapter as "what the **** was I thinking?"
Originally posted by filmmaker2002
I have a feeling Apple went into the G5 project with the full intention of putting the G5 into a Powerbook soon after a Powermac. If I am correct, this would give them almost 1-2 years to engineer a cooling system and case design for the Powerbook G5. I have a feeling the aluminum enclosures are a step towards the G5 case redesign for the PB. I doubt that even Apple could redesign a mobo, cooling system, and case over the summer. If they did, they are absolute geniuses (not that they aren't already).
But ultimately, I think Apple has had the intention of putting a G5 into a Powerbook for some time, and Joswiak said several months ago now not to expect a G5 in a Powerbook anytime soon...what that means who knows...but what do you expect "Well, we will have a G5 Powerbook out by the end of fall..." I think not.
There is also the issue with the "phantom" supply of 1.2-1.4 Ghz G5s that were reported several months ago. Whether or not they exist or not...who knows. But if they do, it is very possible they were intended for the Powerbook. Combine that with the fact that the iMacs don't have 7457 chips, merely overclocked 7455s to 1.25 Ghz, and the fact that a 1.2 Ghz G5 has the same heat and power consumption as a 1 Ghz G4, and I think we have a strong case for a G5 Powerbook soon.
The only thing that prevents me from believing my theory 100% is that Paris seems too small for such a big product announcement...then again..WWDC isn't a huge forum either, and Apple still successfully commanded a crap-load of media attention, and the fact the iMacs have 7455s not 7457 means that Apple may have reserved their limited quantities exclusively for the Powerbook line. In any case, I've said it before...I would be happy with a 1.3 Ghz 7457 G4 with 2MB L3 cache, backlit keyboard, FW800, BT, AE, in an Aluminum enclosure with a Radeon graphic card...but I would be MUCh happier (as I think we all would) with all that running along side a 64-bit G5.
Originally posted by dblegl
I believe that Apple has alot of issues but one thing is certain!!!September 23 AMD will release a 64 bit processor and Alienware has a notebook ready for the release!Apple has been struggling along but they announced the FIRST 64 Bit Processor!!!! AS always they were first in the technology and along comes AMD,WINTEL to move in for more glory!!!!Hopefully Apple has seen the future and will be ready for a huge announcment in Paris and if not they will look pretty silly in the earlier statement "THIS IS THE YEAR OF THE LAPTOP" But I am new so maybe this is just there rutine business to set the stage for all others!
Here's the specs
Alienware
1.7Ghz (equiv. to 1.5Ghz G5)
Blah blah
8.5 lbs. (10.6lbs. with 17")
Almost 2hrs. batt. life!
P.S. Year Of The Laptop = Skyrocketing laptop sales percentage, not fast 'Books.
P.S.S. Are you Manic Devlin?
THERE WILL NOT BE A G5 PowerBook AT MAC EXPO PARIS.
and hasn't apple already told resellers that new powerbooks will be out and shipping next week, so why are people taking powerpage seriously?
the info from powerpage seems incoherent and totally out of it. it's almost as if they're intentionally starting farfetched no new powerbooks rumor to keep people guessing and (probably more likely reason) to drive people to their site.
Originally posted by DHagan4755
Read this next line very carefully.
THERE WILL NOT BE A G5 PowerBook AT MAC EXPO PARIS.
Wow, are you Steve Jobs? How can you be so sure...
I love how people are so sure about the idea that there might not be Powerbook G5 at Paris, but those of us holding out hope have evidence and common sense to back up our claims. We aren't saying there WILL be G5 Powerbooks at Paris, we are simply saying the possibility is there. If you have no valid evidence to back up your claim...then don't ruin the rest of our optimism. I hope they Apple get's G5 Powerbooks if only to prove everyone wrong who said they can't do it. But who knows...only Apple. I just need a damn Powerbook.
Originally posted by filmmaker2002
I love how people are so sure about the idea that there might not be Powerbook G5 at Paris, but those of us holding out hope have evidence and common sense to back up our claims. We aren't saying there WILL be G5 Powerbooks at Paris, we are simply saying the possibility is there. If you have no valid evidence to back up your claim...then don't ruin the rest of our optimism. I hope they Apple get's G5 Powerbooks if only to prove everyone wrong who said they can't do it. But who knows...only Apple. I just need a damn Powerbook.
I'll have a big laugh if it happens, but I don't think it will either. The only thing that makes me think it might, is the seemingly long delay there has been in getting a 15" AlBook on the market. Steve Jobs loves surprises.
After the new 15" failed to surface in late August (was it the 24th?), I decided I couldn't wait any longer and ordered a TiBook, which turned up two days later. Last week, after only 2 weeks it started to develop noticeable brighter areas on the display. I sent it to the local service shop last week. When I rang them this morning they said that the laptop would be returned to Apple and that I will be getting a new one, which is nice.
He said however that they are not expecting to get one before the end of the month.
Hmmm. Sucks that I have to wait, but this could be a good thing...
-> bdc
Sydney, Australia
Originally posted by filmmaker2002
I love how people are so sure about the idea that there might not be Powerbook G5 at Paris, but those of us holding out hope have evidence and common sense to back up our claims.
Hmmm. Sorry, evidence and common sense back up the claims of a Powerbook G5 arriving sometime in mid-2004.
Absolutely zero evidence and common sense supports a PowerBook g5 in less than a week.
It really doesn't take a genius to figure this out. The G5 chip -- as it is right now -- will simply not fit quietly into an 1" enclosure.
Originally posted by Hobbes
Hmmm. Sorry, evidence and common sense back up the claims of a Powerbook G5 arriving sometime in mid-2004.
Absolutely zero evidence and common sense supports a PowerBook g5 in less than a week.
It really doesn't take a genius to figure this out. The G5 chip -- as it is right now -- will simply not fit quietly into an 1" enclosure.
If Apple can throw a 1.25 Ghz 7455 Moto chip in there, they can sure as hell put a 1.2 Ghz G5 into a Powerbook enclosure. Less heat, less power consumption..same size. Hell, they probably even have 20,000 1.2-1.4 Ghz G5s lying around too. All I'm saying is, never underestimate Apple. They have done things before that we thought weren't possible at the time, who's to say they won't do it next week.
So, will more sites fall all over themselves to back this up? Looking back over the past few days, there has been a ton of information, but almost none of it is in agreement.
Whatever I order on Tuesday, I just pray it ships immediately.
Stolen from MacArs thread..
Originally posted by Bigc
Here is a pic of the G5 chip and heatsink. Like to see them stuff that in 1" thick frame...
Stolen from MacArs thread..
Uh...that's for a G5 running at 1.8 Ghz. It is a FACT that a G5 running at 1.2 Ghz dissipates = or less heat than a 7455 G4 (ya know...the one's CURRENTLY in that 1" frame) and also uses less power.
What does the heatsink in a 1.0 GHz dual look like? You may as well use all the space you can!
Looks like it isn't going to happen, of course, but G5s will be in powerbooks someday, right?
Originally posted by filmmaker2002
I have NO problem buying a Powerbook G4 if it is a 7457 G4 running at 1.3 Ghz, with 512KB L2 and 2MB L3 cache with a Radeon graphics card, backlit keybaord, AE, BT, FW800, the works...but it better be at the same price point or I am just gonna pass and wait for the G5. Sorry, just had to throw that out there...
I know the '57 has a 512K L2, but is the 2M L3 on-chip? I just don't know. Do we know the FSB speed? I thought 1.25 GHz implied 167MHz, and 1.3(3) implied 200MHz? What multipliers are possible? I guess maybe I'm thinking wrong, as 167MHz/1.25GHz is 7.5x, and 167MHz/1.33GHz is 8.0x.
In any case, going from 1.0GHz (what is it, a 7447?) to 1.25GHz (7457) should be more than a 25% "speed increase", yes?
Originally posted by machem
I know the '57 has a 512K L2, but is the 2M L3 on-chip? I just don't know. Do we know the FSB speed? I thought 1.25 GHz implied 167MHz, and 1.3(3) implied 200MHz? What multipliers are possible? I guess maybe I'm thinking wrong, as 167MHz/1.25GHz is 7.5x, and 167MHz/1.33GHz is 8.0x.
In any case, going from 1.0GHz (what is it, a 7447?) to 1.25GHz (7457) should be more than a 25% "speed increase", yes?
I saw it on Motos semiconductor site. It says UP TO 2 MB L3 cache. It would sure be nice if Apple decided to use it. I think the FSB would be 200 Mhz. And I am going from a 667 TiBook with 16MB video Ram, so more than 2x the speed and 4x the video power, not to mention 2 MB of L3 cache, throw in an 80GB HD, and I'm gettin me a Powerbook