I think there's a clue on Apple's store right now that the G5 PowerMac is on the verge of being updated. Currently reconditioned dual-2GHz units are being sold for $2,399.00. That's $600 cheaper than "new" prices and typically reconditioned prices are $1-200 cheaper than new, not $600.
I'm going to keep my fingers crossed that something will happen tomorrow (3rd February) though I assume it's just going to be speed-bumps or something similar, if there's no apparent announcement scheduled.
"Working on" means to me: "we don't have it ready yet". If they didn't have it in August, chances are that they got the first industrial batch in Dec, leaving Jan/Feb to optimizing the process to get better yields.
For all I know:
- there has not been an official announcement from IBM concerning their revised 970 at 90nm.
This is actually due in a couple of weeks! So hang in there, I suspect that both Apple and IBM may be working together on the official announcement.
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- No piece running with more than 2Ghz has been sighted.
Yeah that is bothersome. The only good indicator we have at this point is that the XServe is running rather cool at 2 GHz.
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- From a IBM paper on the 970fx I have seen it was clear that it would support a bus speed of up to 1.1Ghz - translating to top speeds of 2.2Ghz.
Unless the bus multiplier is changed. At some point I believe that it will have to change, but we will see a performance hit if other adjustments are not made. One of those adjustments would have been an improved L2 cache. Not seeing an imporved L2 cache does leave us with a little hope of e-bus scaling. The fact that they published a top speed is worrisome though.
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- The XServe is not a machine that is sold in the millions. That Apple chose it to introduce the 970fx tells me that they don't have an awful lot of those chips at their disposal.
The way the XServe was introduced and the lack of other introductions tells me that Apple had nothig else for the show. Apparently XServe is not shipping yet, that is itself an issue but should not be an inddicator of CPU problems only. They could just as well be having issues with the Northbridge.
Or they could simply be waiting for IBM to release their chip officially. With out real data we can infer alot of things, mostly bad things. I do have concern about published info from IBM, that appears to lock the FSB at 1.1GHz. So I'm in a sense with you, until official information is released it does not look real good.
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Jobs may have promised 3Ghz chips to us - but that does not mean he won't push back the delivery of machines with that frequency if the chips do not arrive in time.
Kickaha and Amorph couldn't moderate themselves out of a paper bag. Abdicate responsibility and succumb to idiocy. Two years of letting a member make personal attacks against others, then stepping aside when someone won't put up with it. Not only that but go ahead and shut down my posting priviledges but not the one making the attacks. Not even the common decency to abide by their warning (afer three days of absorbing personal attacks with no mods in sight), just shut my posting down and then say it might happen later if a certian line is crossed. Bullshit flag is flying, I won't abide by lying and coddling of liars who go off-site, create accounts differing in a single letter from my handle with the express purpose to decieve and then claim here that I did it. Everyone be warned, kim kap sol is a lying, deceitful poster.
Now I guess they should have banned me rather than just shut off posting priviledges, because kickaha and Amorph definitely aren't going to like being called to task when they thought they had it all ignored *cough* *cough* I mean under control. Just a couple o' tools.
Don't worry, as soon as my work resetting my posts is done I'll disappear forever.
Kickaha and Amorph couldn't moderate themselves out of a paper bag. Abdicate responsibility and succumb to idiocy. Two years of letting a member make personal attacks against others, then stepping aside when someone won't put up with it. Not only that but go ahead and shut down my posting priviledges but not the one making the attacks. Not even the common decency to abide by their warning (afer three days of absorbing personal attacks with no mods in sight), just shut my posting down and then say it might happen later if a certian line is crossed. Bullshit flag is flying, I won't abide by lying and coddling of liars who go off-site, create accounts differing in a single letter from my handle with the express purpose to decieve and then claim here that I did it. Everyone be warned, kim kap sol is a lying, deceitful poster.
Now I guess they should have banned me rather than just shut off posting priviledges, because kickaha and Amorph definitely aren't going to like being called to task when they thought they had it all ignored *cough* *cough* I mean under control. Just a couple o' tools.
Don't worry, as soon as my work resetting my posts is done I'll disappear forever.
...The way the XServe was introduced and the lack of other introductions tells me that Apple had nothig else for the show. ...
Jobs: "You mean the only new hardware we have I can show is a rackmount server?!"
Jozwiak: "Er, um, yes."
Jobs: "What about the iMac? The tower? Powerbooks? iBooks? Tablet? Nothing's ready?"
Jozwiak: "Uhhh... that's right."
That's really scary, Wiz. What you're implying is that if there was going to be anything released in February or March, or possibly even April (last year's 17" powerbooks), they would have announced it at the show, while they had everyone's attention.
IOW, there aren't any updates coming anytime soon at all...
Sorry to burst you bubble but the reconditioned DP 2.0's have been that price since long before xmas. The single 1.6/1.8's went down by $100 each when the dual 1.8s started shipping.
Oh, ok. That's disappointing, I thought there were reasons to be looking forward for a moment.
you know, as crazy as apple has been lately, i dont think anyone other than steve himself actually knows whats going on. let's not forget that ibook g4 updates were very quiet, so i dont think anything other than steve's "feel" for the company is going to affect release dates.
There have been rebates/trade-in offers prior to other releases, but the date of expire has not been an indication of the releasedate of new models...or? Don't remember
Here is what Steve does. Every Tuesday he gets out a dollar coin and flips it. Heads he releases new computers, tails he doesnt. So far, it has all been tails.
There have been rebates/trade-in offers prior to other releases, but the date of expire has not been an indication of the releasedate of new models...or? Don't remember
To my recollection, it has been a pretty good indicator. But don't expect updates the day after it expires either.
The only one I recall specifically was the rebate offer on PowerMacs that ended just before WWDC last year, when the G5s came out. But there are folks on AI that keep track of these things better than I do...
At least Mac-users look forward to new HW/SW-releases. Intel users think: "Oh no, 100W, slower, longer pipline, new socket" and Windows-users think:"Oh no, new Win-version, my two months old PC is outdated. Now I need one of those new Intel CPUs"
What rumorpages have "foreseen" (especially macosrumors) regarding PMG5 speedbumps:
jan 6th
jan 24th (and even 20th-23rd)
jan 26th
feb 1st (at least Janet did some advertising..)
and now I read 26th of March and when 10.3.3 is released...\
As showed by many people by now, but look at the first news from the top "Next week, the HyperTransport Technology Consortium" HyperTransport 2 is in the works, could this be an indication for not to distant future hardware. If this is so, PM get HyperTransport 2 and iMac could get just regular HT.
I think they will announce new hardware late FEb or Mid March.
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I'm going to keep my fingers crossed that something will happen tomorrow (3rd February) though I assume it's just going to be speed-bumps or something similar, if there's no apparent announcement scheduled.
Originally posted by Smircle
"Working on" means to me: "we don't have it ready yet". If they didn't have it in August, chances are that they got the first industrial batch in Dec, leaving Jan/Feb to optimizing the process to get better yields.
For all I know:
- there has not been an official announcement from IBM concerning their revised 970 at 90nm.
This is actually due in a couple of weeks! So hang in there, I suspect that both Apple and IBM may be working together on the official announcement.
Quote:
- No piece running with more than 2Ghz has been sighted.
Yeah that is bothersome. The only good indicator we have at this point is that the XServe is running rather cool at 2 GHz.
Quote:
- From a IBM paper on the 970fx I have seen it was clear that it would support a bus speed of up to 1.1Ghz - translating to top speeds of 2.2Ghz.
Unless the bus multiplier is changed. At some point I believe that it will have to change, but we will see a performance hit if other adjustments are not made. One of those adjustments would have been an improved L2 cache. Not seeing an imporved L2 cache does leave us with a little hope of e-bus scaling. The fact that they published a top speed is worrisome though.
Quote:
- The XServe is not a machine that is sold in the millions. That Apple chose it to introduce the 970fx tells me that they don't have an awful lot of those chips at their disposal.
The way the XServe was introduced and the lack of other introductions tells me that Apple had nothig else for the show. Apparently XServe is not shipping yet, that is itself an issue but should not be an inddicator of CPU problems only. They could just as well be having issues with the Northbridge.
Or they could simply be waiting for IBM to release their chip officially. With out real data we can infer alot of things, mostly bad things. I do have concern about published info from IBM, that appears to lock the FSB at 1.1GHz. So I'm in a sense with you, until official information is released it does not look real good.
Quote:
Jobs may have promised 3Ghz chips to us - but that does not mean he won't push back the delivery of machines with that frequency if the chips do not arrive in time.
Now I guess they should have banned me rather than just shut off posting priviledges, because kickaha and Amorph definitely aren't going to like being called to task when they thought they had it all ignored *cough* *cough* I mean under control. Just a couple o' tools.
Don't worry, as soon as my work resetting my posts is done I'll disappear forever.
Now I guess they should have banned me rather than just shut off posting priviledges, because kickaha and Amorph definitely aren't going to like being called to task when they thought they had it all ignored *cough* *cough* I mean under control. Just a couple o' tools.
Don't worry, as soon as my work resetting my posts is done I'll disappear forever.
Originally posted by wizard69
...The way the XServe was introduced and the lack of other introductions tells me that Apple had nothig else for the show. ...
Jobs: "You mean the only new hardware we have I can show is a rackmount server?!"
Jozwiak: "Er, um, yes."
Jobs: "What about the iMac? The tower? Powerbooks? iBooks? Tablet? Nothing's ready?"
Jozwiak: "Uhhh... that's right."
That's really scary, Wiz. What you're implying is that if there was going to be anything released in February or March, or possibly even April (last year's 17" powerbooks), they would have announced it at the show, while they had everyone's attention.
IOW, there aren't any updates coming anytime soon at all...
Originally posted by AirSluf
Sorry to burst you bubble but the reconditioned DP 2.0's have been that price since long before xmas. The single 1.6/1.8's went down by $100 each when the dual 1.8s started shipping.
Oh, ok. That's disappointing, I thought there were reasons to be looking forward for a moment.
Originally posted by ipodandimac
sigh... another week of waiting...
....try another 2 months of waiting. That is how long it will be.
Originally posted by PB
Especially for the Power Mac, there is evidence that one has to wait until the end of March.
More evidence today from Hardmac. Like mooseman said
Originally posted by PB
More evidence today from Hardmac. Like mooseman said
Or this could be a way to reduce inventory of the CURRENT G5s to make way for the revamped lineup.
Originally posted by sls
There have been rebates/trade-in offers prior to other releases, but the date of expire has not been an indication of the releasedate of new models...or? Don't remember
To my recollection, it has been a pretty good indicator. But don't expect updates the day after it expires either.
The only one I recall specifically was the rebate offer on PowerMacs that ended just before WWDC last year, when the G5s came out. But there are folks on AI that keep track of these things better than I do...
What rumorpages have "foreseen" (especially macosrumors) regarding PMG5 speedbumps:
jan 6th
jan 24th (and even 20th-23rd)
jan 26th
feb 1st (at least Janet did some advertising..)
and now I read 26th of March and when 10.3.3 is released...
Originally posted by sls
and now I read 26th of March and when 10.3.3 is released...
end of february!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! i've a bet on this... if it would be true, i'd feel so cool
As showed by many people by now, but look at the first news from the top "Next week, the HyperTransport Technology Consortium" HyperTransport 2 is in the works, could this be an indication for not to distant future hardware. If this is so, PM get HyperTransport 2 and iMac could get just regular HT.
I think they will announce new hardware late FEb or Mid March.