Something to remember while reading the hype Apple put on the web site...
Apple introduced the 500Mhz G4 in Sept of 1999 and now just 2 years later they now have an 867Mhz G4...
367Mhz in only two short years.. now I know this isn't exacty Apples fault but no matter where the blame goes the last two years haven't gotten us much from Apple (in the desktop sector). CD-RW and DVD-R are cool... Airport is too... but the meat between the bread has been less than tasty for quite some time...
<strong> Why is Apple having the keynote a day earlier? </strong><hr></blockquote>
I am convinced this is all part of the hype machine. They moved the keynote back a day to get people talking and speculating. It means more media will show up and it means the rumour mills like this one will be running amuck trying to guess. The sad truth: The only way we can find out is by watching the keynote.
Maximum RDF exposure. That's what this is all about. Because the more RDF you have, the easier you part with your cash. An extra to buy stuff. An extra day of coverage in the media.
I don't really think that Apple would move the keynote up a day just for that. So the question is this: Why is Apple having the keynote a day earlier? I think it's because Steve's keynote was rescheduled to be longer and they didn't want people who signed up for expensive workshops to miss them.
Steve's keynote being scheduled for that long also means that he obviously has more to say than usual. More time = More/Bigger announcements.</strong><hr></blockquote>
That makes a lot of sense. "Hope Springs Eternal" (where's that Mandicard fellow these days anyway).
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<strong>they didn't want people who signed up for expensive workshops to miss them.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Umm, that monday there was suposed to be expensive workshops. They had to be resceduled... so I dono about that... I do agree that this is overly hyped... I just hope that they can back it up...
I don't think Apple would drum up this much hype if they couldn't deliver. I think (hope) they learned the lesson after MWNY '01..there was after all the "no new hardware" announcement at Seybold (or whatever it was in the Fall). The only question really is whether or not they think the new iMac is enough to justify the hype.
LCD iMac for sure, but that isn't enough to warrant such hype. A single new product revision is not that "big" of an event, even if it's a new iMac. What about the show where Apple introduced the cube, and the new Titanium? They didn't hype that show like this.
No, this is an order of magnitude larger. Here's what I think:
G4 iMacs.
G5 Powermacs.
New headless iMac/consumer tower/reworked cube powered by a G4 and speced about like the current towers but without PCI slots.
Speed-bumped powermacs alone are not enough, even if they are >1GHz. If the Powermacs broke the 1 GHz barrier, that would only be a 15% increase in MHz...nothing to write home about.
LCD iMacs alone are not enough...it is a commonplace item, and even Apple's lineup is full of LCD displays. 2 years ago an LCD iMac would have been huge, but today it inspires only yawns.
Apple is really hyping this one. They are making no attempts to dampen the hype either, for sure.
I think Steve was quite displeased with the showing back in New York in July.
If G4's show up in iMacs, I think G5 towers will happen also.
Once the first item is shown, I think we can then anticipate what will be next. Apple will want to differentiate between the lines. That is unless that Motorola got some insane speeds out of the G4 which I really doubt. I seriously doubt we would see anything higher than 1.2 GHZ at best.
Of course, there is always the wildcard. Some new digital device perhaps.
But still, the computers are Apples bread and butter. I would be somewhat concerned if this devices get all the hype while the CPU's languish.
Go to <a href="http://www.apple.com/home/"; target="_blank">www.apple.com/home/</a>and look at the picture there. I think thats a little bit weird huh?
I mean, the 600 Mhz ibook has been out for a while. <img src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" />
Hey i've got a great idea!
Someone hack into the apple website!
(just kidding...i mean if someone actually could that would be great, but..)
<strong>What about the show where Apple introduced the cube, and the new Titanium? They didn't hype that show like this.</strong><hr></blockquote>Two different shows. Cube at MWNY summer 2000, killed just before MWNY 2001. TiBook MWSF Jan. 2001.
Maybe the one you're thinking of was last year's MWSF. I was thinking about recent Apple events, and that was one of the best ever - finally breaking 500Mhz with the 733, intro of the Superdrive and iDVD, and one more thing - the TiBook, one of the coolest products Apple has ever made. I hope this one is as good as that.
And the hype on last year's MWSF wasn't that great. People were predicting a new PowerBook, but they had been predicting that for a year. And MOSR had said there wouldn't be a 733, despite the fact that CNet had reported it.
<strong>I mean, the 600 Mhz ibook has been out for a while.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Hmmm, I always wondered why there was no MP3 player with the iBook. Looks like Apple was keeping them out of the spotlight until the iPod showed up....
I wonder when the idea was first hatched? after MWSF01?
They didn't hype MWNY 2001 anymore then the other MWNYs. I've been to every one in NY and there were no more posters then usual. In fact there's one huge ass giant iPod banner thats the size of a building in Time Square right now. Plus another one a few blocks away. I think they're hyping the current iPod more then they hyped MWNY this past summer.</strong><hr></blockquote>
are you kidding? Apple's advertising was 10X greater for MWNY 2001 than ever before. even local news stations had segments on how expansive their billboard campaign was for this year's. obviously something big was planned for MWNY and wasn't ready.
I think Apple even said how much they spent on ads for MWNY
So what's with all the G5 skepticism? There seem to be a majority (although not vast) who don't believe that the G5 will be released this coming quarter (SF or tokyo).
I must admit I am a doubter myself but only based on the constant pessimism i never shake
What's everyone else's reasons for doubting the G5 release?
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Apple introduced the 500Mhz G4 in Sept of 1999 and now just 2 years later they now have an 867Mhz G4...
367Mhz in only two short years.. now I know this isn't exacty Apples fault but no matter where the blame goes the last two years haven't gotten us much from Apple (in the desktop sector). CD-RW and DVD-R are cool... Airport is too... but the meat between the bread has been less than tasty for quite some time...
Dave
<strong> Why is Apple having the keynote a day earlier? </strong><hr></blockquote>
I am convinced this is all part of the hype machine. They moved the keynote back a day to get people talking and speculating. It means more media will show up and it means the rumour mills like this one will be running amuck trying to guess. The sad truth: The only way we can find out is by watching the keynote.
Maximum RDF exposure. That's what this is all about. Because the more RDF you have, the easier you part with your cash. An extra to buy stuff. An extra day of coverage in the media.
<strong>Moving up the keynote a day was big.
[...]
I don't really think that Apple would move the keynote up a day just for that. So the question is this: Why is Apple having the keynote a day earlier? I think it's because Steve's keynote was rescheduled to be longer and they didn't want people who signed up for expensive workshops to miss them.
Steve's keynote being scheduled for that long also means that he obviously has more to say than usual. More time = More/Bigger announcements.</strong><hr></blockquote>
That makes a lot of sense. "Hope Springs Eternal" (where's that Mandicard fellow these days anyway).
<strong>it is 1am GMT right?
It's 9am Pacific Time - isn't that around 5pm GMT?</strong><hr></blockquote>
That's 12pm eastern correct?
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That's 12pm eastern correct?</strong><hr></blockquote>
Yup, 3 hours forward.
<strong>it is 1am GMT right?
It's 9am Pacific Time - isn't that around 5pm GMT?</strong><hr></blockquote>
Well I changed my time zone to PST and it went back 8hours....
<strong>they didn't want people who signed up for expensive workshops to miss them.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Umm, that monday there was suposed to be expensive workshops. They had to be resceduled... so I dono about that... I do agree that this is overly hyped... I just hope that they can back it up...
-Paul
Edit: grammar
[ 12-31-2001: Message edited by: psantora ]</p>
LCD iMac for sure, but that isn't enough to warrant such hype. A single new product revision is not that "big" of an event, even if it's a new iMac. What about the show where Apple introduced the cube, and the new Titanium? They didn't hype that show like this.
No, this is an order of magnitude larger. Here's what I think:
G4 iMacs.
G5 Powermacs.
New headless iMac/consumer tower/reworked cube powered by a G4 and speced about like the current towers but without PCI slots.
Speed-bumped powermacs alone are not enough, even if they are >1GHz. If the Powermacs broke the 1 GHz barrier, that would only be a 15% increase in MHz...nothing to write home about.
LCD iMacs alone are not enough...it is a commonplace item, and even Apple's lineup is full of LCD displays. 2 years ago an LCD iMac would have been huge, but today it inspires only yawns.
Apple is really hyping this one. They are making no attempts to dampen the hype either, for sure.
I think Steve was quite displeased with the showing back in New York in July.
If G4's show up in iMacs, I think G5 towers will happen also.
Once the first item is shown, I think we can then anticipate what will be next. Apple will want to differentiate between the lines. That is unless that Motorola got some insane speeds out of the G4 which I really doubt. I seriously doubt we would see anything higher than 1.2 GHZ at best.
Of course, there is always the wildcard. Some new digital device perhaps.
But still, the computers are Apples bread and butter. I would be somewhat concerned if this devices get all the hype while the CPU's languish.
Its going to be exciting either way.
:eek: :eek: :eek:
Cobra
[ 12-31-2001: Message edited by: Cobra ]</p>
Go to <a href="http://www.apple.com/home/"; target="_blank">www.apple.com/home/</a>and look at the picture there. I think thats a little bit weird huh?
I mean, the 600 Mhz ibook has been out for a while. <img src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" />
Hey i've got a great idea!
Someone hack into the apple website!
(just kidding...i mean if someone actually could that would be great, but..)
[ 12-31-2001: Message edited by: tiffer17 ]</p>
<strong>What about the show where Apple introduced the cube, and the new Titanium? They didn't hype that show like this.</strong><hr></blockquote>Two different shows. Cube at MWNY summer 2000, killed just before MWNY 2001. TiBook MWSF Jan. 2001.
Maybe the one you're thinking of was last year's MWSF. I was thinking about recent Apple events, and that was one of the best ever - finally breaking 500Mhz with the 733, intro of the Superdrive and iDVD, and one more thing - the TiBook, one of the coolest products Apple has ever made. I hope this one is as good as that.
And the hype on last year's MWSF wasn't that great. People were predicting a new PowerBook, but they had been predicting that for a year. And MOSR had said there wouldn't be a 733, despite the fact that CNet had reported it.
<strong>I mean, the 600 Mhz ibook has been out for a while.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Hmmm, I always wondered why there was no MP3 player with the iBook. Looks like Apple was keeping them out of the spotlight until the iPod showed up....
I wonder when the idea was first hatched? after MWSF01?
-Paul
Edit: wording
[ 12-31-2001: Message edited by: psantora ]</p>
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They didn't hype MWNY 2001 anymore then the other MWNYs. I've been to every one in NY and there were no more posters then usual. In fact there's one huge ass giant iPod banner thats the size of a building in Time Square right now. Plus another one a few blocks away. I think they're hyping the current iPod more then they hyped MWNY this past summer.</strong><hr></blockquote>
are you kidding? Apple's advertising was 10X greater for MWNY 2001 than ever before. even local news stations had segments on how expansive their billboard campaign was for this year's. obviously something big was planned for MWNY and wasn't ready.
I think Apple even said how much they spent on ads for MWNY
I must admit I am a doubter myself but only based on the constant pessimism i never shake
What's everyone else's reasons for doubting the G5 release?