Personally I think the new pricing, design, features are great, having said that I still like the iMac2 design slightly more. I think I may just buy one! My TiPb is all but shagged, I have enough microdrives for my camera so I do not need the portability of a laptop anymore and anyway 20" screen and G5 for £400 less than the G4 version... Yep I think I just talked myself into it! LOL
As for all the bloody moany gits harping on about gaming... Go get a freaking PS2/Xbox/PC all these are better suited to gaming! Or better yet take an ice cold shower and try restoring your logic!
The 20 is the only model that has improved. G5 or not, 17" screen or not, the two 17" models still cost too much. However, I'll have to check the edu prices before I make a real determination. Rumor has it that the edu prices are almost what the retail prices should be.
Slower laptop grade slot loading drive. What were they thinking? 256MB of RAM ? 80GB HDDs ? These should both be double att he prices Apple is charging!
The machine isn't even as pretty as the old one, or as functional. So they loose the aesthetes. It costs too much for switchers. The iPod marketting tie in better be intense, otherwise it doesn't stand a chance.
BTW, now more than ever, are we in need of a DVI pass through hack.
Not to call anyone out, but didn't almost all of you say the ipod was too expensive. Yet somehow, miraculously, over a million people shelled out over $300 bucks for an mp3 player. And you dont think those people will pay $1500 for a computer that looks just like it?
Uh...you don't need a high-end rig to run Doom3, it's just the elitists that say that Doom3 is only worth playing on Ultra settings. Doom 3 will run fine on a 5200 on Low settings, and before you laugh, these are what low settings look like:
Uh, yeah! Dude; ever play a game on a 1680 x 1050 native resolution monitor that?s interpolating a resolution of 640 X 480, HORRIBLE! Far from playable.
The machines sold for 1300-1500 in the Wintel aisle offer a substantial increase in graphics power, base RAM, base HDD, all the same I/O, significant internal expansion options, and a display of equal quality.
The entry level lacks a superdrive
RAM and HDD sizes are half of what they should be
The AIO probelms remain
The video card is somewhat substandrad for the price, it's fine, but given that you can upgrade it ever...
FW800 is missing -- Apple should be moving all their machines to the fastest available firewire, expecially AIO's
It's got a SLOW laptop optical -- fvcking ridiculous!
My BTO order is in for the 20" with 3-4 week delivery projected!
Sure, I would have liked the ability to upgrade the GPU like I did on the PB, but I'll be living with the "Ultra" with no real problems because I don't do games.
What I love is the simplicity of the iMac - it's just like my 23" display with a bit on the bottom, which is needed for the internals. Speakers built in & pointing down allowing for three computer controlled fans. Simply elegant in design (it came from Apple) and the AIO that I did need.
Like other computers, including Macs, there are things that you might want to be different, but I will have no problem "enduring" the 20" for a long time to come!
Moan all you like - I can't wait for mine to arrive. It replaces an old Dull and is going to be a joy!
By the way, you can't get anyone on 800-MY-APPLE as the lines are overloaded.
True to rumors, Apple Computer today unveiled its new iMac G5 computer, complete with a new design that integrates the entire computer right into the flat panel display.
In an extremely routine keynote address in Paris today, Apple VP Phil Schiller unveiled the company's new iMac G5, featuring the high-performance G5 processor and a stunning new design that integrates the entire computer right into the flat panel display. The iMac G5 packs a complete computer system into a mere two inches of depth?the world?s thinnest desktop computer. The new line offers 17- or 20-inch active matrix widescreen LCDs and G5 processors running up to 1.8 GHz starting at just $1,299.
"Just like the iPod redefined portable digital music players, the new iMac G5 redefines what users expect from a consumer desktop," said Philip Schiller, Apple?s senior vice president of Worldwide Product Marketing."With the entire system, including a gorgeous 17- or 20-inch display, just two inches thin, a lot of people will be wondering ?where did the computer go?? "
The entire computer, including the power supply and slot-load optical drive, is built right into the display and rests on a sleek aluminum foot. All the I/O ports line up neatly along the rear right side for easy access, and with optional AirPort Extreme and Bluetooth wireless modules, there?s no more cable clutter. With its elegantly thin profile, compact footprint and whisper-quiet operation (less than 25 dB), the new iMac G5 is the perfect fit for any room in the home or office.
The new iMac G5 features the breakthrough performance of the PowerPC G5 processor, as well as numerous system performance improvements designed to help consumers turbocharge their digital lifestyle applications. The 17-inch models come with either a 1.8 GHz PowerPC G5 processor and a SuperDrive for burning professional-quality DVDs, or a 1.6 GHz PowerPC G5 processor and a Combo drive for watching DVD movies and burning CDs. The 20-inch model has a 1.8 GHz PowerPC G5 processor and a SuperDrive. With a completely redesigned system architecture, the new iMac G5 now offers up to a 600 MHz front-side bus, 400 MHz DDR memory expandable to 2GB, AGP 8X graphics and 7200 rpm Serial ATA drives up to 250GB. The new iMac G5 comes standard with high-performance NVIDIA graphics with dedicated video memory for outstanding graphics performance and realistic game play.
The new iMac G5 was designed to be the perfect computer for iLife ?04, Apple?s award-winning suite of digital lifestyle applications. iLife ?04, which comes with every new iMac G5, includes iTunes for managing and buying digital music, iPhoto for organizing and sharing digital photos, iMovie for digital movie-making, iDVD for creating and burning Hollywood-style DVDs and GarageBand, a revolutionary music application that turns the iMac G5 into a professional-quality musical instrument and recording studio.
The new iMac G5 desktops offer a total of five USB ports (three USB 2.0) and two FireWire 400 ports for easy plug-and-play connections to popular peripherals such as Apple?s market-leading iPod digital music player, digital video camcorders, digital still cameras and printers. Providing the latest in wireless communications, the new iMac G5 offers an optional internal Bluetooth module and includes a built-in antenna and card slot to support an optional AirPort Extreme Card for 54 Mbps 802.11g fast wireless networking. The new iMac G5 also includes built-in 10/100BASE-T Ethernet and a 56K V.92 modem for fast Internet access.
Mac OS X version 10.3"Panther" is pre-installed and delivers breakthrough features including iChat AV, an easy to use desktop video conferencing solution; FileVault, which uses the latest security standards and 128-bit encryption technology to ensure that data in the home directory is kept secure; Exposé, a revolutionary new way to instantly view all open windows; Instant On, which wakes the computer from sleep in just one second; and Automatic Networking, which automatically switches the network connections between Ethernet, 802.11 wireless and modem. The new iMac G5 also comes with a collection of productivity, learning and entertainment titles including AppleWorks, Quicken 2004 for Mac, WorldBook Encyclopedia 2004 Edition, Nanosaur 2 and MarbleBlast Gold. Everything you need for your digital lifestyle is included right out of the box.
Pricing & Availability
The new iMac G5 line will begin shipping worldwide in mid-September through the Apple Store (www.apple.com), at Apple?s retail stores and Apple Authorized Resellers.
The new iMac G5, for a suggested retail price of $1,299 (US), includes:
17-inch widescreen LCD with 1440-by-900 pixels; 1.6 GHz 64-bit PowerPC G5 processor; 256MB of 400 MHz DDR SDRAM; Combo (DVD-ROM/CD-RW) optical drive; NVIDIA GeForce FX 5200 Ultra graphics processor with 64MB video memory; Two FireWire 400, three USB 2.0, two USB 1.1 ports; 10/100 BASE-T Ethernet networking, 56K V.92 Modem; Internal support for AirPort Extreme wireless networking and Bluetooth; 80GB Serial ATA hard drive running at 7200 rpm; and Built-in stereo speakers and microphone.
The new iMac G5, for a suggested retail price of $1,499 (US), includes:
17-inch widescreen LCD with 1440-by-900 pixels; 1.8 GHz 64-bit PowerPC G5 processor; 256MB of 400 MHz DDR SDRAM; SuperDrive (DVD-R/CD-RW) optical drive; NVIDIA GeForce FX 5200 Ultra graphics processor with 64MB video memory; Two FireWire 400, three USB 2.0, two USB 1.1 ports; 10/100 BASE-T Ethernet networking, 56K V.92 Modem; Internal support for AirPort Extreme wireless networking and Bluetooth; 80GB Serial ATA hard drive running at 7200 rpm; and Built-in stereo speakers and microphone.
The new iMac G5, for a suggested retail price of $1,899 (US), includes:
20-inch widescreen LCD with 1680-by-1050 pixels; 1.8 GHz 64-bit PowerPC G5 processor; 256MB of 400 MHz DDR SDRAM; SuperDrive (DVD-R/CD-RW) optical drive; NVIDIA GeForce FX 5200 Ultra graphics processor with 64MB video memory; Two FireWire 400, three USB 2.0, two USB 1.1 ports; 10/100 BASE-T Ethernet networking, 56K V.92 Modem; Internal support for AirPort Extreme wireless networking and Bluetooth; 160GB Serial ATA hard drive running at 7200 rpm; and Built-in stereo speakers and microphone.
Build-to-order options and accessories include up to 2GB of RAM, 160GB and 250GB hard drives, AirPort Extreme Card, AirPort Express and AirPort Extreme Base Station, internal Bluetooth module, Apple Wireless Keyboard and Apple Wireless Mouse, and the AppleCare Protection Plan.
The new iMac G5 systems, including a new configuration without an optical drive, are also available to education customers in the US and Canada through the Apple Store for Education at www.apple.com/education/store or by calling an Apple education sales representative at 800-800-APPL.
Originally posted by Matsu (in reference to the new iMac at $1299)
That's unacceptable.
To you. Probably unacceptable to a lot of people -- most of whom wouldn't consider a Mac at any price anyway. But it's not unacceptable to me. It's probably not unacceptable to a lot of people who wouldn't buy a G4 iMac before, but who will buy this new G5.
This iMac isn't going to be a breakthrough switcher product, but I don't think it's meant to be. I predict the G5 iMac will be a hit, however, at least in comparison to the previous G4 models.
To you. Probably unacceptable to a lot of people -- most of whom wouldn't consider a Mac at any price anyway. But it's not unacceptable to me. It's probably not unacceptable to a lot of people who wouldn't buy a G4 iMac before, but who will buy this new G5.
This iMac isn't going to be a breakthrough switcher product, but I don't think it's meant to be. I predict the G5 iMac will be a hit, however, at least in comparison to the previous G4 models.
I agree with you. A imac G5 20 inch will be a nice christmas gift. I am sick of my G4 533 : too much noise (my wife hate it).
What else are we going to do, admit that Apple has come out with the perfect machine for everyone? Bow down in front of the cultist Cool-Aid drinking zealot and confess or profound love to whatever Apple comes out with this week. We?re not whining, we?re debating over the questionable use of parts in the new iMac. Yes we want our cake and eat it to, yes we know we can?t have everything, yes we know, yes we know and yes we know. So please if you can?t add to our discussion in a little more profound way please go WHINE somewhere else about our whining.
To you. Probably unacceptable to a lot of people -- most of whom wouldn't consider a Mac at any price anyway. But it's not unacceptable to me. It's probably not unacceptable to a lot of people who wouldn't buy a G4 iMac before, but who will buy this new G5.
This iMac isn't going to be a breakthrough switcher product, but I don't think it's meant to be. I predict the G5 iMac will be a hit, however, at least in comparison to the previous G4 models.
oko, predictions are in order. i think it'll be a hit and sell 250,000 units in September (assuming they can make them fast enough)
I agree; nice computer. The 20" Cinema Display is now way overpriced.
$1,299.00, your right. I didn't catch that, they are really overpriced now. In fact this is proof that Apple could of made a headless machine for $600.00.
This looks great, it is everything that I have wanted to see, G5, faster bus, and one proc with monitor for a ood price.
My only question, Of all of this can be put into a small encloseure, why did we not see a pwr book eith the same innards, knock out the pwr supply put a laptop backlight on the display and toss in a KB+trackpad and vwala! where is it?
Comments
Originally posted by radiospace
No Firewire 800. That's too bad.
Yep, and wahts up with the huge Apple logo on front, looks like a lot of space there for me
As for all the bloody moany gits harping on about gaming... Go get a freaking PS2/Xbox/PC all these are better suited to gaming! Or better yet take an ice cold shower and try restoring your logic!
Originally posted by Matsu
The 20 is the only model that has improved. G5 or not, 17" screen or not, the two 17" models still cost too much. However, I'll have to check the edu prices before I make a real determination. Rumor has it that the edu prices are almost what the retail prices should be.
Slower laptop grade slot loading drive. What were they thinking? 256MB of RAM ? 80GB HDDs ? These should both be double att he prices Apple is charging!
The machine isn't even as pretty as the old one, or as functional. So they loose the aesthetes. It costs too much for switchers. The iPod marketting tie in better be intense, otherwise it doesn't stand a chance.
BTW, now more than ever, are we in need of a DVI pass through hack.
Not to call anyone out, but didn't almost all of you say the ipod was too expensive. Yet somehow, miraculously, over a million people shelled out over $300 bucks for an mp3 player. And you dont think those people will pay $1500 for a computer that looks just like it?
Originally posted by Placebo
Uh...you don't need a high-end rig to run Doom3, it's just the elitists that say that Doom3 is only worth playing on Ultra settings. Doom 3 will run fine on a 5200 on Low settings, and before you laugh, these are what low settings look like:
Uh, yeah! Dude; ever play a game on a 1680 x 1050 native resolution monitor that?s interpolating a resolution of 640 X 480, HORRIBLE! Far from playable.
The machine is clean and compact. Compare this AIO flat panel design with the othe manufacturer's machine. This thing is outstanding.
Although they missed the set-up holes in the above pics, that shot really shows off how good the Mac looks.
The machines sold for 1300-1500 in the Wintel aisle offer a substantial increase in graphics power, base RAM, base HDD, all the same I/O, significant internal expansion options, and a display of equal quality.
The entry level lacks a superdrive
RAM and HDD sizes are half of what they should be
The AIO probelms remain
The video card is somewhat substandrad for the price, it's fine, but given that you can upgrade it ever...
FW800 is missing -- Apple should be moving all their machines to the fastest available firewire, expecially AIO's
It's got a SLOW laptop optical -- fvcking ridiculous!
Blah blah
whine whine
blah blah
whine whine
Great post of the pic! I am sold now more than ever. Why don't the pics on Apples site ever look as good as in person or the one you show?
Got any front side views?
Originally posted by msantti
Blah blah
whine whine
blah blah
whine whine
You are aware of the irony of your post right?
Sure, I would have liked the ability to upgrade the GPU like I did on the PB, but I'll be living with the "Ultra" with no real problems because I don't do games.
What I love is the simplicity of the iMac - it's just like my 23" display with a bit on the bottom, which is needed for the internals. Speakers built in & pointing down allowing for three computer controlled fans. Simply elegant in design (it came from Apple) and the AIO that I did need.
Like other computers, including Macs, there are things that you might want to be different, but I will have no problem "enduring" the 20" for a long time to come!
Moan all you like - I can't wait for mine to arrive. It replaces an old Dull and is going to be a joy!
By the way, you can't get anyone on 800-MY-APPLE as the lines are overloaded.
In an extremely routine keynote address in Paris today, Apple VP Phil Schiller unveiled the company's new iMac G5, featuring the high-performance G5 processor and a stunning new design that integrates the entire computer right into the flat panel display. The iMac G5 packs a complete computer system into a mere two inches of depth?the world?s thinnest desktop computer. The new line offers 17- or 20-inch active matrix widescreen LCDs and G5 processors running up to 1.8 GHz starting at just $1,299.
"Just like the iPod redefined portable digital music players, the new iMac G5 redefines what users expect from a consumer desktop," said Philip Schiller, Apple?s senior vice president of Worldwide Product Marketing."With the entire system, including a gorgeous 17- or 20-inch display, just two inches thin, a lot of people will be wondering ?where did the computer go?? "
The entire computer, including the power supply and slot-load optical drive, is built right into the display and rests on a sleek aluminum foot. All the I/O ports line up neatly along the rear right side for easy access, and with optional AirPort Extreme and Bluetooth wireless modules, there?s no more cable clutter. With its elegantly thin profile, compact footprint and whisper-quiet operation (less than 25 dB), the new iMac G5 is the perfect fit for any room in the home or office.
The new iMac G5 features the breakthrough performance of the PowerPC G5 processor, as well as numerous system performance improvements designed to help consumers turbocharge their digital lifestyle applications. The 17-inch models come with either a 1.8 GHz PowerPC G5 processor and a SuperDrive for burning professional-quality DVDs, or a 1.6 GHz PowerPC G5 processor and a Combo drive for watching DVD movies and burning CDs. The 20-inch model has a 1.8 GHz PowerPC G5 processor and a SuperDrive. With a completely redesigned system architecture, the new iMac G5 now offers up to a 600 MHz front-side bus, 400 MHz DDR memory expandable to 2GB, AGP 8X graphics and 7200 rpm Serial ATA drives up to 250GB. The new iMac G5 comes standard with high-performance NVIDIA graphics with dedicated video memory for outstanding graphics performance and realistic game play.
The new iMac G5 was designed to be the perfect computer for iLife ?04, Apple?s award-winning suite of digital lifestyle applications. iLife ?04, which comes with every new iMac G5, includes iTunes for managing and buying digital music, iPhoto for organizing and sharing digital photos, iMovie for digital movie-making, iDVD for creating and burning Hollywood-style DVDs and GarageBand, a revolutionary music application that turns the iMac G5 into a professional-quality musical instrument and recording studio.
The new iMac G5 desktops offer a total of five USB ports (three USB 2.0) and two FireWire 400 ports for easy plug-and-play connections to popular peripherals such as Apple?s market-leading iPod digital music player, digital video camcorders, digital still cameras and printers. Providing the latest in wireless communications, the new iMac G5 offers an optional internal Bluetooth module and includes a built-in antenna and card slot to support an optional AirPort Extreme Card for 54 Mbps 802.11g fast wireless networking. The new iMac G5 also includes built-in 10/100BASE-T Ethernet and a 56K V.92 modem for fast Internet access.
Mac OS X version 10.3"Panther" is pre-installed and delivers breakthrough features including iChat AV, an easy to use desktop video conferencing solution; FileVault, which uses the latest security standards and 128-bit encryption technology to ensure that data in the home directory is kept secure; Exposé, a revolutionary new way to instantly view all open windows; Instant On, which wakes the computer from sleep in just one second; and Automatic Networking, which automatically switches the network connections between Ethernet, 802.11 wireless and modem. The new iMac G5 also comes with a collection of productivity, learning and entertainment titles including AppleWorks, Quicken 2004 for Mac, WorldBook Encyclopedia 2004 Edition, Nanosaur 2 and MarbleBlast Gold. Everything you need for your digital lifestyle is included right out of the box.
Pricing & Availability
The new iMac G5 line will begin shipping worldwide in mid-September through the Apple Store (www.apple.com), at Apple?s retail stores and Apple Authorized Resellers.
The new iMac G5, for a suggested retail price of $1,299 (US), includes:
17-inch widescreen LCD with 1440-by-900 pixels; 1.6 GHz 64-bit PowerPC G5 processor; 256MB of 400 MHz DDR SDRAM; Combo (DVD-ROM/CD-RW) optical drive; NVIDIA GeForce FX 5200 Ultra graphics processor with 64MB video memory; Two FireWire 400, three USB 2.0, two USB 1.1 ports; 10/100 BASE-T Ethernet networking, 56K V.92 Modem; Internal support for AirPort Extreme wireless networking and Bluetooth; 80GB Serial ATA hard drive running at 7200 rpm; and Built-in stereo speakers and microphone.
The new iMac G5, for a suggested retail price of $1,499 (US), includes:
17-inch widescreen LCD with 1440-by-900 pixels; 1.8 GHz 64-bit PowerPC G5 processor; 256MB of 400 MHz DDR SDRAM; SuperDrive (DVD-R/CD-RW) optical drive; NVIDIA GeForce FX 5200 Ultra graphics processor with 64MB video memory; Two FireWire 400, three USB 2.0, two USB 1.1 ports; 10/100 BASE-T Ethernet networking, 56K V.92 Modem; Internal support for AirPort Extreme wireless networking and Bluetooth; 80GB Serial ATA hard drive running at 7200 rpm; and Built-in stereo speakers and microphone.
The new iMac G5, for a suggested retail price of $1,899 (US), includes:
20-inch widescreen LCD with 1680-by-1050 pixels; 1.8 GHz 64-bit PowerPC G5 processor; 256MB of 400 MHz DDR SDRAM; SuperDrive (DVD-R/CD-RW) optical drive; NVIDIA GeForce FX 5200 Ultra graphics processor with 64MB video memory; Two FireWire 400, three USB 2.0, two USB 1.1 ports; 10/100 BASE-T Ethernet networking, 56K V.92 Modem; Internal support for AirPort Extreme wireless networking and Bluetooth; 160GB Serial ATA hard drive running at 7200 rpm; and Built-in stereo speakers and microphone.
Build-to-order options and accessories include up to 2GB of RAM, 160GB and 250GB hard drives, AirPort Extreme Card, AirPort Express and AirPort Extreme Base Station, internal Bluetooth module, Apple Wireless Keyboard and Apple Wireless Mouse, and the AppleCare Protection Plan.
The new iMac G5 systems, including a new configuration without an optical drive, are also available to education customers in the US and Canada through the Apple Store for Education at www.apple.com/education/store or by calling an Apple education sales representative at 800-800-APPL.
[ View this article at AppleInsider.com ]
Originally posted by Matsu (in reference to the new iMac at $1299)
That's unacceptable.
To you. Probably unacceptable to a lot of people -- most of whom wouldn't consider a Mac at any price anyway. But it's not unacceptable to me. It's probably not unacceptable to a lot of people who wouldn't buy a G4 iMac before, but who will buy this new G5.
This iMac isn't going to be a breakthrough switcher product, but I don't think it's meant to be. I predict the G5 iMac will be a hit, however, at least in comparison to the previous G4 models.
Originally posted by shetline
To you. Probably unacceptable to a lot of people -- most of whom wouldn't consider a Mac at any price anyway. But it's not unacceptable to me. It's probably not unacceptable to a lot of people who wouldn't buy a G4 iMac before, but who will buy this new G5.
This iMac isn't going to be a breakthrough switcher product, but I don't think it's meant to be. I predict the G5 iMac will be a hit, however, at least in comparison to the previous G4 models.
I agree with you. A imac G5 20 inch will be a nice christmas gift. I am sick of my G4 533 : too much noise (my wife hate it).
Originally posted by msantti
Blah blah
whine whine
blah blah
whine whine
What else are we going to do, admit that Apple has come out with the perfect machine for everyone? Bow down in front of the cultist Cool-Aid drinking zealot and confess or profound love to whatever Apple comes out with this week. We?re not whining, we?re debating over the questionable use of parts in the new iMac. Yes we want our cake and eat it to, yes we know we can?t have everything, yes we know, yes we know and yes we know. So please if you can?t add to our discussion in a little more profound way please go WHINE somewhere else about our whining.
Originally posted by shetline
To you. Probably unacceptable to a lot of people -- most of whom wouldn't consider a Mac at any price anyway. But it's not unacceptable to me. It's probably not unacceptable to a lot of people who wouldn't buy a G4 iMac before, but who will buy this new G5.
This iMac isn't going to be a breakthrough switcher product, but I don't think it's meant to be. I predict the G5 iMac will be a hit, however, at least in comparison to the previous G4 models.
oko, predictions are in order. i think it'll be a hit and sell 250,000 units in September (assuming they can make them fast enough)
Originally posted by iDave
I agree; nice computer. The 20" Cinema Display is now way overpriced.
$1,299.00, your right. I didn't catch that, they are really overpriced now. In fact this is proof that Apple could of made a headless machine for $600.00.
If I had a trading account, I'd be buying Apple shares right this minute....
Originally posted by radiospace
This looks great, it is everything that I have wanted to see, G5, faster bus, and one proc with monitor for a ood price.
My only question, Of all of this can be put into a small encloseure, why did we not see a pwr book eith the same innards, knock out the pwr supply put a laptop backlight on the display and toss in a KB+trackpad and vwala! where is it?