Could someone else make a mirror with the iWalk pictures and movies? Then spread the word on AI, MacNN and other forums - make sure it gets around. Maybe someone could even 'tip off' Apple?
Then we'll see if Apple legal come along and ask for it to be removed. spymac.com dont have much credibility for me but i'm sure there are plently of respected people around here that we could trust with this.
Although I suppose Apple could demand it be removed just for the Apple logo on the rear.
</strong><hr></blockquote>
So then alter the videos to obscure the logos and any other known Apple trademarks. The only cause of legal action they could then take is trade secret violation or unauthorized duplication of copyrighted designs. Both of which would absolutely prove that Apple has legitimate IP interests in the item itself. I doubt they would open themselves up to wrongful prosecution or prior restraint action if they could not prove that they created the device.
<strong>Before they posted this message, I visited a site (interface.com/iwalk???) that used to host the stff, but it's gone.. So was another one. The only one left that I know of is Wired..</strong><hr></blockquote>
interfacestudio.net/iwalk
I got slashdotted. I had 20 GB of bandwidth, appearantly that wasn't enough. I still have all the files. If anyone has a more reliable server, then I'd be willing to send the files to you to host.
I got slashdotted. I had 20 GB of bandwidth, appearantly that wasn't enough. I still have all the files. If anyone has a more reliable server, then I'd be willing to send the files to you to host.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Woohoo. Perhaps we´ll get the first Apple cease and desist ever here in Denmark. Try host it on mediamac.dk Jan
</strong><hr></blockquote>
I've hosted lots of screenshots from prerelease Mac OS X versions, but I have never heard from Apple, and I don't think that Apple will contact me about iWalk either
You do realize that those videos weren't rocket science right? No hollywood technology that you seem to insist on using was needed to create this. Just an empty shell, a inkjet printer, vid cam with tripod and computer with photoshop - that's it. And many of the errors can not be attributed to video compression or do not match characteristics of compression.</strong><hr></blockquote>
uhh, hmm, the last time i used photoshop, it wasn't able to pull a moving matte or rotoscope a hand out of a 8 second video clip. maybe your version of photoshop has those functions, if so, let me at that beta. seriously, photoshop? if you had said final cut and after effects or commotion, maybe i'd believe you, because you'd be right. but photoshop can't do any of these things we've been discussing except for the stills.
what you're talking about is video that has been comped and tracked into a video clip while maintaining the reflective properties of the backplate (usually by creating another desauturated layer of the backplate and multiplying it's lightness value). and all the while it's doing that, it's rotoscoping a hand out of this "phantom screen" while animating handwriting recognition that resembled extremely closely the handwriting recognition of my mp130.
get real. it may not be real, but it's not something you just pull of in a couple of days with an inkjet printer. did you notice that the casing is actually clear plastic or lexan? do you think he just whipped up a scrollwheel on his inkjet printer that is amazingly able to print 3d objects like a $50k plastics modeler? hmm?
uhh, hmm, the last time i used photoshop, it wasn't able to pull a moving matte or rotoscope a hand out of a 8 second video clip. maybe your version of photoshop has those functions, if so, let me at that beta. seriously, photoshop? if you had said final cut and after effects or commotion, maybe i'd believe you, because you'd be right. but photoshop can't do any of these things we've been discussing except for the stills.
what you're talking about is video that has been comped and tracked into a video clip while maintaining the reflective properties of the backplate (usually by creating another desauturated layer of the backplate and multiplying it's lightness value). and all the while it's doing that, it's rotoscoping a hand out of this "phantom screen" while animating handwriting recognition that resembled extremely closely the handwriting recognition of my mp130.
get real. it may not be real, but it's not something you just pull of in a couple of days with an inkjet printer. did you notice that the casing is actually clear plastic or lexan? do you think he just whipped up a scrollwheel on his inkjet printer that is amazingly able to print 3d objects like a $50k plastics modeler? hmm?</strong><hr></blockquote>
Not Photoshop - After Effects.
And the inkjet printer was not used to make the casing, but the "screenshots".
And the inkjet printer was not used to make the casing, but the "screenshots".</strong><hr></blockquote>
thanks jll. i know what he was implying, but i was pointing out that the object in question and the accompanying videos could NOT be done with just photoshop and an inkjet printer. i do know how it COULD be done, but that wasn't the point. it's also unlikely that the screenshots were made with an inkjet printer as many of them are animated. why would you even bother to print them out just so you could selectively mask off pieces of it to create animation? you'd just do the whole thing digitally.
<strong>it's also unlikely that the screenshots were made with an inkjet printer as many of them are animated. why would you even bother to print them out just so you could selectively mask off pieces of it to create animation? you'd just do the whole thing digitally.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Animated? Take another look. The only thing that's animated is the handwritten text - none of the screens are animated.
Comments
Mac Guru
<strong>Here's an idea...
Could someone else make a mirror with the iWalk pictures and movies? Then spread the word on AI, MacNN and other forums - make sure it gets around. Maybe someone could even 'tip off' Apple?
Then we'll see if Apple legal come along and ask for it to be removed. spymac.com dont have much credibility for me but i'm sure there are plently of respected people around here that we could trust with this.
Although I suppose Apple could demand it be removed just for the Apple logo on the rear.
</strong><hr></blockquote>
So then alter the videos to obscure the logos and any other known Apple trademarks. The only cause of legal action they could then take is trade secret violation or unauthorized duplication of copyrighted designs. Both of which would absolutely prove that Apple has legitimate IP interests in the item itself. I doubt they would open themselves up to wrongful prosecution or prior restraint action if they could not prove that they created the device.
-- Shady(NAL)G
<strong>Before they posted this message, I visited a site (interface.com/iwalk???) that used to host the stff, but it's gone.. So was another one. The only one left that I know of is Wired..</strong><hr></blockquote>
interfacestudio.net/iwalk
I got slashdotted. I had 20 GB of bandwidth, appearantly that wasn't enough. I still have all the files. If anyone has a more reliable server, then I'd be willing to send the files to you to host.
<strong>Ok SOMEONE close this thread! It's retarded... iWalk is dead... gone... so should be this thread.
Mac Guru</strong><hr></blockquote>
Leave my thread alone <img src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" />
<strong>
interfacestudio.net/iwalk
I got slashdotted. I had 20 GB of bandwidth, appearantly that wasn't enough. I still have all the files. If anyone has a more reliable server, then I'd be willing to send the files to you to host.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I have a server with no bandwidth limit.
<strong>
I have a server with no bandwidth limit.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Woohoo. Perhaps we´ll get the first Apple cease and desist ever here in Denmark. Try host it on mediamac.dk Jan
Or perhaps someone should host it on their mac.com page just to see the reaction from Apple.
__________________
[ 01-04-2002: Message edited by: Anders ]</p>
<strong>
Woohoo. Perhaps we´ll get the first Apple cease and desist ever here in Denmark. Try host it on mediamac.dk Jan
</strong><hr></blockquote>
I've hosted lots of screenshots from prerelease Mac OS X versions, but I have never heard from Apple, and I don't think that Apple will contact me about iWalk either
<strong>
You do realize that those videos weren't rocket science right? No hollywood technology that you seem to insist on using was needed to create this. Just an empty shell, a inkjet printer, vid cam with tripod and computer with photoshop - that's it. And many of the errors can not be attributed to video compression or do not match characteristics of compression.</strong><hr></blockquote>
uhh, hmm, the last time i used photoshop, it wasn't able to pull a moving matte or rotoscope a hand out of a 8 second video clip. maybe your version of photoshop has those functions, if so, let me at that beta.
what you're talking about is video that has been comped and tracked into a video clip while maintaining the reflective properties of the backplate (usually by creating another desauturated layer of the backplate and multiplying it's lightness value). and all the while it's doing that, it's rotoscoping a hand out of this "phantom screen" while animating handwriting recognition that resembled extremely closely the handwriting recognition of my mp130.
get real. it may not be real, but it's not something you just pull of in a couple of days with an inkjet printer. did you notice that the casing is actually clear plastic or lexan? do you think he just whipped up a scrollwheel on his inkjet printer that is amazingly able to print 3d objects like a $50k plastics modeler? hmm?
Then if Apple do demand that they be removed we'll know that they are at least real prototypes (or amazingly the REAL DEAL)
I'm still convinced they are fake but this is one way to find out for sure.
[ 01-04-2002: Message edited by: TMA ]</p>
<strong>
uhh, hmm, the last time i used photoshop, it wasn't able to pull a moving matte or rotoscope a hand out of a 8 second video clip. maybe your version of photoshop has those functions, if so, let me at that beta.
what you're talking about is video that has been comped and tracked into a video clip while maintaining the reflective properties of the backplate (usually by creating another desauturated layer of the backplate and multiplying it's lightness value). and all the while it's doing that, it's rotoscoping a hand out of this "phantom screen" while animating handwriting recognition that resembled extremely closely the handwriting recognition of my mp130.
get real. it may not be real, but it's not something you just pull of in a couple of days with an inkjet printer. did you notice that the casing is actually clear plastic or lexan? do you think he just whipped up a scrollwheel on his inkjet printer that is amazingly able to print 3d objects like a $50k plastics modeler? hmm?</strong><hr></blockquote>
Not Photoshop - After Effects.
And the inkjet printer was not used to make the casing, but the "screenshots".
<strong>
Not Photoshop - After Effects.
And the inkjet printer was not used to make the casing, but the "screenshots".</strong><hr></blockquote>
thanks jll. i know what he was implying, but i was pointing out that the object in question and the accompanying videos could NOT be done with just photoshop and an inkjet printer. i do know how it COULD be done, but that wasn't the point. it's also unlikely that the screenshots were made with an inkjet printer as many of them are animated. why would you even bother to print them out just so you could selectively mask off pieces of it to create animation? you'd just do the whole thing digitally.
<strong>it's also unlikely that the screenshots were made with an inkjet printer as many of them are animated. why would you even bother to print them out just so you could selectively mask off pieces of it to create animation? you'd just do the whole thing digitally.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Animated? Take another look. The only thing that's animated is the handwritten text - none of the screens are animated.
<strong>
Animated? Take another look. The only thing that's animated is the handwritten text - none of the screens are animated.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Thats his point. If you animate one screen, why not do them all?
-Paul
-Paul
<strong>
Animated? Take another look. The only thing that's animated is the handwritten text - none of the screens are animated.</strong><hr></blockquote>
the whole bootup movie in animated. that's the point of that clip.
15 Pages now?? Can we all agree that discussion of this topic is over? IT IS FAKE! Can someone lock the thread?<hr></blockquote>
Could not agree more. Lets drop the iWalk shiit and wait till what is released come Monday.
<strong>Leave my thread alone
heeh,
Sure, but its not my descision.
-Paul