Yeah...I have a PC with a USB hub...4 ports are full and I have to unplug one of them every time I want to plug in my webcam or camera (Ext. Soundcard - it's a laptop, cd burner - it's an old laptop, mouse and wacom tablet)
and the usb hub on iMacs?...some people would consider it spoils the look...of course they're also usually the ones who buy the computer for its looks.
It's not just Apple. An article in the NYC Times today was talking about how catalog companies cut the cords off lamps and such because they don't want them to spoil the clean uncluttered look.
Even Anand, in his review of Apple and Dell's 20" monitors said that they can't wait to send back monitors that the've tested even if they did well, if they are ugly. That's about as techy a site as there is. They said that Apple had the best cord management.
wow, i'm blown away by this update. now i could go to an apple store and pick one up off the shelf. this has nothing that i NEED to BTO. very impressive. DL Superdrive, 512 MB ram, 2.0 ghz, 128 mb Radeon 9600, thats an awesome deal on the mid-range model. its sad cuz thats the same price as the G3 iMac i'm using now cost 5 years ago... and its a piece of crap for the most part... *tear*
Mine is 4 years old (White 500Mhz G3) and although it still runs at a fair lick my Broadband is faster than it is and the Beachball does seem to occupy a lot of my time.
I'm guessing a G5 iMac will last me another 4 years and the only upgrade I'd need is the £40 ($65) Wirelss Keyboard & mouse.
Edit: And my G3's Xbench score is just under 40. I'm expecting the new models to hit 180 maybe (for the 20")??
Edit: And my G3's Xbench score is just under 40. I'm expecting the new models to hit 180 maybe (for the 20")??
whoa... 100+ i think, not so high at 180... but can't say till the xbench sings... and depends on whether they fixed the hd controller issue to make the most of that 7200rpm baby in there
whoa... 100+ i think, not so high at 180... but can't say till the xbench sings... and depends on whether they fixed the hd controller issue to make the most of that 7200rpm baby in there
But didn't the old one (1.8MHz iMac G5) get around 150 on Xbench anyway? Maybe I looked at the wrong bits - I only DL'd it recently.
dude that must be top 3 in the "desired iMac g5 hacks" list
..drop a radeon x800 xt in there and watch it cook
Hacking an iMac's board to accept a different soldered-down chip with different pinouts and (most likely) a different size, not to mention different power requirements and a different heat profile, would indeed be the mother of all iMac hacks. I'd love to see someone try it. Somehow I doubt anyone will.
Until Apple decides to use the big PowerBooks' (proprietary) GPU daughtercard with the iMac's board—or some similar solution—the only way to change the iMac's GPU will be to swap in a new motherboard with a different GPU soldered onto it.
When I had my iMac opened up the other day I failed to notice it was permantly affixed.
The optical drive looked replaceable though. I wonder if the new one will work in the first gen. G5 iMac? That would hold me over until someone released a blue ray drive for the iMac.
When I had my iMac opened up the other day I failed to notice it was permantly affixed.
The optical drive looked replaceable though. I wonder if the new one will work in the first gen. G5 iMac? That would hold me over until someone released a blue ray drive for the iMac.
"IF" it fits, 10.4 has support for far more drives then any previous release ever did, so it's possible. Otherwise you could use Patchburn to let it do at least some of what a native drive does.
A point though.
If you are still using 10.3x then the current Patchburn will be fine. I've used it myself, and it's safe.
But, if you are already on 10.4, or are going to be shortly, then you need the new version that only works on 10.4.
The problem is that he just released an Alpha of it. It's never a good idea to apply an Alpha build of something so low level. You might disable your drive. Wait until it's at least into a beta 2.
This is safety. So please don't anyone write to say about how good he has been in the past. That's why he released this as an Alpha.
Well 2x 512MB memory in the new G5 gives an Xbench of 180
1x512 gives an Xbench of 165
I guess I was right...
Could you repeat that test? The results are very interesting, and supposedly shouldn't be. Unless certain types of work and files are involved the difference should be negligable. And while those results aren't startling, they are more than I would expect.
Hi. I replied to this thread the other day, but something did not work, so i'll try it again.
I plan on buying a new 2gig imacG5 this week for my son, who says he has outgrown his 12" powerbook and needs more power more then he needs portability.
I plan on upgrading the ram from 512 to 1 gig, by buying another 512 stick.
According to the posts above, are you saying that this will not be sufficient, and I will be disappointed speed-wise in doing this?
I was under the impression that a matched pair of ram was the best....
My son does alot of graphic arts, etc, and we thought that 1 gig of ram would serve his needs......
The upside of this is that his "old man", (me) gets his powerbook, thus freeing up the G4imac I am on now for the rest of the family.
Once this is done, it will be fun switching everything over to the different computers, upgrading to Tiger, etc.
I plan on upgrading the ram from 512 to 1 gig, by buying another 512 stick.
According to the posts above, are you saying that this will not be sufficient, and I will be disappointed speed-wise in doing this?
I was under the impression that a matched pair of ram was the best....
My son does alot of graphic arts, etc, and we thought that 1 gig of ram would serve his needs......
A gigabyte of RAM should be plenty for just about anything your son wants to do. For high end video editing he might want more. Others might have another opinion but as long as you're not running 10 programs at once, that should be enough RAM.
Hi. I replied to this thread the other day, but something did not work, so i'll try it again.
I plan on buying a new 2gig imacG5 this week for my son, who says he has outgrown his 12" powerbook and needs more power more then he needs portability.
I plan on upgrading the ram from 512 to 1 gig, by buying another 512 stick.
According to the posts above, are you saying that this will not be sufficient, and I will be disappointed speed-wise in doing this?
I was under the impression that a matched pair of ram was the best....
My son does alot of graphic arts, etc, and we thought that 1 gig of ram would serve his needs......
The upside of this is that his "old man", (me) gets his powerbook, thus freeing up the G4imac I am on now for the rest of the family.
Once this is done, it will be fun switching everything over to the different computers, upgrading to Tiger, etc.
Frank D.
Yes, a Gigabyte of RAM is enough. I do video editing, and even there one Gig is enough.
Just be aware that Photoshop, Painter and other bit mapped programs require at least three times the amount of AVAILABLE RAM as the largest file that you are going to work with.
Example:
you have a file size of 50MByte, not too large by todays standards. You would need the amount of RAM the OS needs. The amount of RAM the main program needs. The amount of RAM any plug-ins need. Also the amount that any other third party programs such as clocks, widgets etc. use. PLus that minimum three times the file size.
If you want to be anal about this, open the Activity Monitor (in the Utilities folder) and see how much RAM is being used with all the programs open, with out any file for the program you are using being open.
Triple (or better yet mutliply by five times) the size of the largest file you will be using and add it to that above total. Give yourself another 10%, and that would be the minimum amount needed for ideal performance.
Photoshop and some other programs let you see if the program is working efficently. InPhotoshop, the menue for that is at the bottom of the file window on the left side. If you are at 100%, it means that you have enough memory for that file, and are not doing disk swaps, which is what slows the program (and everything else) down.
There is no matched RAM with the iMac G5. You don't get double the memory path. It's a simple addition to the memory size.
Sorry this was so long, but I thought that several people might be interested in how this works.
My youngest son does video editing on this G4 imac....it only has a 1 gig CPU and a 80 gig HD with 768 meg of ram..I don't think there is much more I could do with this to make it better for him. When he sees his older brother's new imacG5, this one may all of a sudden loose it's luster.....I hope not, i really like this lamp style G4.......
Comments
Originally posted by mynamehere
Yeah...I have a PC with a USB hub...4 ports are full and I have to unplug one of them every time I want to plug in my webcam or camera (Ext. Soundcard - it's a laptop, cd burner - it's an old laptop, mouse and wacom tablet)
and the usb hub on iMacs?...some people would consider it spoils the look...of course they're also usually the ones who buy the computer for its looks.
It's not just Apple. An article in the NYC Times today was talking about how catalog companies cut the cords off lamps and such because they don't want them to spoil the clean uncluttered look.
Even Anand, in his review of Apple and Dell's 20" monitors said that they can't wait to send back monitors that the've tested even if they did well, if they are ugly. That's about as techy a site as there is. They said that Apple had the best cord management.
Originally posted by exhibit_13
wow, i'm blown away by this update. now i could go to an apple store and pick one up off the shelf. this has nothing that i NEED to BTO. very impressive. DL Superdrive, 512 MB ram, 2.0 ghz, 128 mb Radeon 9600, thats an awesome deal on the mid-range model. its sad cuz thats the same price as the G3 iMac i'm using now cost 5 years ago... and its a piece of crap for the most part... *tear*
Mine is 4 years old (White 500Mhz G3) and although it still runs at a fair lick my Broadband is faster than it is and the Beachball does seem to occupy a lot of my time.
I'm guessing a G5 iMac will last me another 4 years and the only upgrade I'd need is the £40 ($65) Wirelss Keyboard & mouse.
Edit: And my G3's Xbench score is just under 40. I'm expecting the new models to hit 180 maybe (for the 20")??
I would love to at least swap my video card out.
Originally posted by nli10
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Edit: And my G3's Xbench score is just under 40. I'm expecting the new models to hit 180 maybe (for the 20")??
whoa... 100+ i think, not so high at 180... but can't say till the xbench sings... and depends on whether they fixed the hd controller issue to make the most of that 7200rpm baby in there
Originally posted by aplnub
......
I would love to at least swap my video card out.
dude that must be top 3 in the "desired iMac g5 hacks" list
..drop a radeon x800 xt
Originally posted by sunilraman
whoa... 100+ i think, not so high at 180... but can't say till the xbench sings... and depends on whether they fixed the hd controller issue to make the most of that 7200rpm baby in there
But didn't the old one (1.8MHz iMac G5) get around 150 on Xbench anyway? Maybe I looked at the wrong bits - I only DL'd it recently.
Originally posted by sunilraman
dude that must be top 3 in the "desired iMac g5 hacks" list
..drop a radeon x800 xt
Hacking an iMac's board to accept a different soldered-down chip with different pinouts and (most likely) a different size, not to mention different power requirements and a different heat profile, would indeed be the mother of all iMac hacks. I'd love to see someone try it. Somehow I doubt anyone will.
Until Apple decides to use the big PowerBooks' (proprietary) GPU daughtercard with the iMac's board—or some similar solution—the only way to change the iMac's GPU will be to swap in a new motherboard with a different GPU soldered onto it.
Originally posted by nli10
But didn't the old one (1.8MHz iMac G5) get around 150 on Xbench anyway? Maybe I looked at the wrong bits - I only DL'd it recently.
umm yeah check the hard disk overall score and get back to us
The optical drive looked replaceable though. I wonder if the new one will work in the first gen. G5 iMac? That would hold me over until someone released a blue ray drive for the iMac.
Originally posted by aplnub
When I had my iMac opened up the other day I failed to notice it was permantly affixed.
The optical drive looked replaceable though. I wonder if the new one will work in the first gen. G5 iMac? That would hold me over until someone released a blue ray drive for the iMac.
"IF" it fits, 10.4 has support for far more drives then any previous release ever did, so it's possible. Otherwise you could use Patchburn to let it do at least some of what a native drive does.
A point though.
If you are still using 10.3x then the current Patchburn will be fine. I've used it myself, and it's safe.
But, if you are already on 10.4, or are going to be shortly, then you need the new version that only works on 10.4.
The problem is that he just released an Alpha of it. It's never a good idea to apply an Alpha build of something so low level. You might disable your drive. Wait until it's at least into a beta 2.
This is safety. So please don't anyone write to say about how good he has been in the past. That's why he released this as an Alpha.
I want to put one beside my telephone (mounted to the wall), so that I can replace my telephone books with a web browser and switchboard.com.
Eventually this will all go into a phone booth in my house (one of the red british ones), so it has to be quiet for my application.
Originally posted by e1618978
Anyone know about the noise yet? Also, can these be mounted to the wall and still access the ports?
I want to put one beside my telephone (mounted to the wall), so that I can replace my telephone books with a web browser and switchboard.com.
Eventually this will all go into a phone booth in my house (one of the red british ones), so it has to be quiet for my application.
NO!!!
It must go into one of the old BLUE ones!
What would Dr. Who say?
Originally posted by melgross
NO!!!
It must go into one of the old BLUE ones!
What would Dr. Who say?
Like this? I like the red ones better...
I never watched Dr Who.
Originally posted by e1618978
Like this? I like the red ones better...
I never watched Dr Who.
Tch, tch. You have no class.
1x512 gives an Xbench of 165
I guess I was right...
Originally posted by nli10
Well 2x 512MB memory in the new G5 gives an Xbench of 180
1x512 gives an Xbench of 165
I guess I was right...
Could you repeat that test? The results are very interesting, and supposedly shouldn't be. Unless certain types of work and files are involved the difference should be negligable. And while those results aren't startling, they are more than I would expect.
I plan on buying a new 2gig imacG5 this week for my son, who says he has outgrown his 12" powerbook and needs more power more then he needs portability.
I plan on upgrading the ram from 512 to 1 gig, by buying another 512 stick.
According to the posts above, are you saying that this will not be sufficient, and I will be disappointed speed-wise in doing this?
I was under the impression that a matched pair of ram was the best....
My son does alot of graphic arts, etc, and we thought that 1 gig of ram would serve his needs......
The upside of this is that his "old man", (me) gets his powerbook, thus freeing up the G4imac I am on now for the rest of the family.
Once this is done, it will be fun switching everything over to the different computers, upgrading to Tiger, etc.
Frank D.
Originally posted by faithfulFrank
I plan on upgrading the ram from 512 to 1 gig, by buying another 512 stick.
According to the posts above, are you saying that this will not be sufficient, and I will be disappointed speed-wise in doing this?
I was under the impression that a matched pair of ram was the best....
My son does alot of graphic arts, etc, and we thought that 1 gig of ram would serve his needs......
A gigabyte of RAM should be plenty for just about anything your son wants to do. For high end video editing he might want more. Others might have another opinion but as long as you're not running 10 programs at once, that should be enough RAM.
Originally posted by faithfulFrank
Hi. I replied to this thread the other day, but something did not work, so i'll try it again.
I plan on buying a new 2gig imacG5 this week for my son, who says he has outgrown his 12" powerbook and needs more power more then he needs portability.
I plan on upgrading the ram from 512 to 1 gig, by buying another 512 stick.
According to the posts above, are you saying that this will not be sufficient, and I will be disappointed speed-wise in doing this?
I was under the impression that a matched pair of ram was the best....
My son does alot of graphic arts, etc, and we thought that 1 gig of ram would serve his needs......
The upside of this is that his "old man", (me) gets his powerbook, thus freeing up the G4imac I am on now for the rest of the family.
Once this is done, it will be fun switching everything over to the different computers, upgrading to Tiger, etc.
Frank D.
Yes, a Gigabyte of RAM is enough. I do video editing, and even there one Gig is enough.
Just be aware that Photoshop, Painter and other bit mapped programs require at least three times the amount of AVAILABLE RAM as the largest file that you are going to work with.
Example:
you have a file size of 50MByte, not too large by todays standards. You would need the amount of RAM the OS needs. The amount of RAM the main program needs. The amount of RAM any plug-ins need. Also the amount that any other third party programs such as clocks, widgets etc. use. PLus that minimum three times the file size.
If you want to be anal about this, open the Activity Monitor (in the Utilities folder) and see how much RAM is being used with all the programs open, with out any file for the program you are using being open.
Triple (or better yet mutliply by five times) the size of the largest file you will be using and add it to that above total. Give yourself another 10%, and that would be the minimum amount needed for ideal performance.
Photoshop and some other programs let you see if the program is working efficently. InPhotoshop, the menue for that is at the bottom of the file window on the left side. If you are at 100%, it means that you have enough memory for that file, and are not doing disk swaps, which is what slows the program (and everything else) down.
There is no matched RAM with the iMac G5. You don't get double the memory path. It's a simple addition to the memory size.
Sorry this was so long, but I thought that several people might be interested in how this works.
That is both very helpful and interesting.
Also, I never knew about the activity monitor.
My youngest son does video editing on this G4 imac....it only has a 1 gig CPU and a 80 gig HD with 768 meg of ram..I don't think there is much more I could do with this to make it better for him. When he sees his older brother's new imacG5, this one may all of a sudden loose it's luster.....I hope not, i really like this lamp style G4.......
Frank D.