Yeah, everyone is just like you. I see your point.
dont be sarcastic, be real, think about it
7 controllers on one screen? can you even imagine that? not even 6, make the tv split evenly, no 7!!!!
haha, its typical sony fashion, dont make any sense, just squeeze as much numbers as you can to make it seem amazing on paper.
EDIT: technically i dont even know if that feature has been dropped. snoopy posted a really old article, and since then sony has dropped a lot of different things.... one of them being the ability to run two 1080p screens (which was absolute bs)
7 controllers on one screen? can you even imagine that? not even 6, make the tv split evenly, no 7!!!!
haha, its typical sony fashion, dont make any sense, just squeeze as much numbers as you can to make it seem amazing on paper.
EDIT: technically i dont even know if that feature has been dropped. snoopy posted a really old article, and since then sony has dropped a lot of different things.... one of them being the ability to run two 1080p screens (which was absolute bs)
4 people worked fine on the really tiny TV i had for college.
When I'm comfortable dropping money on an HDTV, it'll be like 5 times bigger than that. The 1080p will make it especially comfortable.
its typical sony fashion, dont make any sense, just squeeze as much numbers as you can to make it seem amazing on paper.
All companies do this but Sony is definitely not the worst of them. There is some quality in Sony products despite their late 90s QC issues and misguided attempts in some areas. The reality is if you aren't failing every so often then you aren't innovating.
But it's true. The PS3 is way cheaper than the XBOX for this very reason.
For the high end XBOX, you only get a 20 GB hard disk. That's the same as the LOW end PS3, only WITHOUT a next-gen optical drive.
The PS3 is a far better value for the money, hands down.
Exactly. Misleading to Elixir because God forbid them doing an apples to apples comparison of the low end models. Heck even if they had a chart doing a comparison of the low end model of the PS3 ($499) to the premium Xbox360, you still are going to pay more with the 360 ($599) when you have an apples to apples comparison in terms of capability.
So stop whining Elixir,...I couldn't agree more with gregmightdothat that the PS3 is a far better value for the money, hands down.
Exactly. Misleading to Elixir because God forbid them doing an apples to apples comparison of the low end models. Heck even if they had a chart doing a comparison of the low end model of the PS3 ($499) to the premium Xbox360, you still are going to pay more with the 360 ($599) when you have an apples to apples comparison in terms of capability.
So stop whining Elixir,...I couldn't agree more with gregmightdothat that the PS3 is a far better value for the money, hands down.
i guess this is when you guys stop talkign real terms, and start acting like fanboys. the point of ps3's chart was that they said "the xbox 360 requires" these things to experience great gaming, it even went as far as to LIE about nintendo charging for its online service, i mean even a ps3 representative has came out to "clear" things up a bit with their misleading chart.
i never knew i needed bluray to have great gaming? i never thought i needed an overblown hard drive to enjoy great gaming? so what value do you speak of?
bluray so far has BOMBED, yes BOMBED. HD-DVD, when it takes over the market will make bluray obsolete, and then what? what happens to your value?
i guess this is when you guys stop talkign real terms, and start acting like fanboys. the point of ps3's chart was that they said "the xbox 360 requires" these things to experience great gaming, it even went as far as to LIE about nintendo charging for its online service, i mean even a ps3 representative has came out to "clear" things up a bit with their misleading chart.
i never knew i needed bluray to have great gaming? i never thought i needed an overblown hard drive to enjoy great gaming? so what value do you speak of?
bluray so far has BOMBED, yes BOMBED. HD-DVD, when it takes over the market will make bluray obsolete, and then what? what happens to your value?
No, the point of Sony's chart was that you have to add those things up in order to make the baseline XBOX 360 comparable with the baseline PS3. That's why the PS3 is cheaper.
Those are all things the 360 is missing that the PS3 come standard with. Then you have to deal with the fact that even if you get the high end XBOX, it still isn't as good as the low end PS3.
No, the point of Sony's chart was that you have to add those things up in order to make the baseline XBOX 360 comparable with the baseline PS3. That's why the PS3 is cheaper.
Those are all things the 360 is missing that the PS3 come standard with. Then you have to deal with the fact that even if you get the high end XBOX, it still isn't as good as the low end PS3.
ok, whatever
the chart said "required" that is the problem there, and not only that, they decided to use the core system instead of the premium... regardless if they decided to compare one core to another, its misleading.
a bluray,hd-dvd drive, or hard drive are not required to play games. it's futile to say the value is greater because everyone has different opinions of what "value" is.
if i dont have 500 or 600 dollars to spend right now on a gaming system then "value" to me is being able to pick up a next gen console that i can enjoy right now for GAMING.
why do i need a bluray drive? and what if bluray tanks and bluray players a few months from now drop dramatically in price? i mean where does the value in that go?
defining "value" isn't so crystal clear in this mater
Elixir, it's clear that you have a major bug up your butt with regards to Sony. You're by far the most rabid anti-Sony poster here, even more anti-Blu-ray than Murch, and that's saying a lot. What, did Sony come over to your house and kick your dog? Just look at the way you latched onto "who needs seven controllers?" You do realize what that really means is seven Bluetooth devices? As in headsets, a remote, and other devices as well. If you want to have a bunch of cables snaking through the middle of your living room, that's fine, but not everyone does. Nor does everyone love having to be within spitting distance of the screen because the cables are only so long.
Elixir, it's clear that you have a major bug up your butt with regards to Sony. You're by far the most rabid anti-Sony poster here, even more anti-Blu-ray than Murch, and that's saying a lot. What, did Sony come over to your house and kick your dog? Just look at the way you latched onto "who needs seven controllers?" You do realize what that really means is seven Bluetooth devices? As in headsets, a remote, and other devices as well. If you want to have a bunch of cables snaking through the middle of your living room, that's fine, but not everyone does. Nor does everyone love having to be within spitting distance of the screen because the cables are only so long.
because i'm tired of sony's cocky attitude in the media, their overhyped products and NOT just the playstation, what they are tryign to do with bluray and their anti-pirating software... they talk a lot of smack, and never back crap up
so when people boast about 7 controllers on a freaking screen like its the greatest thing they have ever seen, yeah i tend to come in here laughing and asking "wtf?"
same way i couldn't believe how easily people got duped with that Killzone trailer, or sony's claim of "true hd gaming" . i just dont like them, kind of like you dont like a politician whose dirty, you know he's dirty, but some people just cant help themselves but to vote for him....
i know i'm stretching it but you get my point, and you should get my point, at least most of you.. the hate for microsoft from most apple faithfuls resembles what i'm talking about.. so its hard to sell the 360 in here.
i guess this is when you guys stop talkign real terms, and start acting like fanboys.
Every time he says stuff like this the irony just kills me I'm pretty certain given your radical anti-Sony stance nobody gives you much credibility. hmurchison at least comes across as reasonable you just come across as outright insane. What was the perceived slight that Sony made that has you so angry at them? They do many stupid things but none of them are that much worse than what many other companies have attempted and at the end of the day if you don't like it you can always choose other brands...you'll probably be a bit hard pressed to find too many that support HD-DVD but there are plenty of Blu-Ray backers for you other than Sony
I remember the good old days when we argued about Blu-Ray vs HD-DVD in this thread. I guess we've run out of things to say. The market will decide. I think it's time to lock this sucker.
This definitely proves that xbox360 is effective source of expanding HD-DVD market which will come sooner and will solely support HD-DVD Movie sales....... Also, the HD-DVD add on will only cost $200 to commit to the new format for existing 10 million xbox360 owners where BD will require at least $499/599 to join the Hi-Def Movie market, if anyone will be lucky enough to get one by the year end........
Anyway, long story short, xbox 360 will be as effective to support HD-DVD movie format as much as PS3 will to BD-DVD format market.
This definitely proves that xbox360 is effective source of expanding HD-DVD market which will come sooner and will solely support HD-DVD Movie sales....... Also, the HD-DVD add on will only cost $200 to commit to the new format for existing 10 million xbox360 owners where BD will require at least $499/599 to join the Hi-Def Movie market, if anyone will be lucky enough to get one by the year end........
Anyway, long story short, xbox 360 will be as effective to support HD-DVD movie format as much as PS3 will to BD-DVD format market.
Word to the wise,...well in this case, the unwise,...HD market != Amazon despite how much you wish it really did. Nice try on the spin for your $200 add-on. The cost to commit to the HD DVD format via the 360 will be effectively $499/$599 as the last time I checked, the add-on doesn't do any good by itself, and the Xbox360 itself is $299/$399.
You pay the same, but you get no HDMI port with the 360, the added inconvenience of having the most awful looking external drive (is that thing from the 70s?), no game playback functionality, and of course lesser variety in terms of movies you can play back due to less studio support. Sounds like a great deal to me! Pfft!
Anyway, long story short, xbox 360 will be as effective to support HD-DVD movie format as much as PS3 will to BD-DVD format market.
Yes, of course.
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Also, the HD-DVD add on will only cost $200 to commit to the new format for existing 10 million xbox360 owners where BD will require at least $499/599 to join the Hi-Def Movie market . . .
You confuse differential cost with total cost. It will cost an Xbox 360 owner $200 to add HD-DVD movie capability. It will cost a PS3 owner nothing, exactly $0, to add BD capability. This is differential cost.
The total cost is a minimum of $499 for either game system with HD movie capability. The customer can figure out what he or she will get for the total cost in both cases.
I think the decision will be clear cut, unless someone already purchased an Xbox 360. In this case, the owner of an Xbox 360 must choose between the $200 add on, or selling the Xbox on eBay and buying a PS3.
You confuse differential cost with total cost. It will cost an Xbox 360 owner $200 to add HD-DVD movie capability. It will cost a PS3 owner nothing, exactly $0, to add BD capability. This is differential cost.
The total cost is a minimum of $499 for either game system with HD movie capability. The customer can figure out what he or she will get for the total cost in both cases.
I think the decision will be clear cut, unless someone already purchased an Xbox 360. In this case, the owner of an Xbox 360 must choose between the $200 add on, or selling the Xbox on eBay and buying a PS3.
If you can read again, I've said $200 cost is for existing 10 million xbox 360 owners, not particularly applying to you. Also, the HD-DVD add on is very popular amoung HTPC enthusiast and I bet more than 50% of the buyers will use with HTPC.
So, what are the chances of you BD fanatics to find a PS3 by the year end?.... Well, no Hi-Def BD Movies for you.
Believe it or not, people are buying a lot more HD-DVD movies than the BD and that is that. This is how VHS won.... people keep on buying VHS over Beta......
Word to the wise,...well in this case, the unwise,...HD market != Amazon despite how much you wish it really did. Nice try on the spin for your $200 add-on. The cost to commit to the HD DVD format via the 360 will be effectively $499/$599 as the last time I checked, the add-on doesn't do any good by itself, and the Xbox360 itself is $299/$399.
You pay the same, but you get no HDMI port with the 360, the added inconvenience of having the most awful looking external drive (is that thing from the 70s?), no game playback functionality, and of course lesser variety in terms of movies you can play back due to less studio support. Sounds like a great deal to me! Pfft!
hey at least the HD-DVD crowd wont have to deal with the crap that comes a long with bluray and all its faults, shortages, and problems.
HDMI is coming for the 360 and so far i've seen a stronger line up for hd-dvd than bluray, i dont give a crap how many bluray movies are out there, if they aren't worth a damn what good does it do?
the only thing i can agree with you on is the look of the damn thing, wtf, the 360 looks great i think but that external drive is sure not an eye pleasure.
i reckon sometime next year, if hd-dvd has taken over, 360's will incorporate them within the systyem.
oh and enough with this game playback nonesense, honestly stop spitting out sony propaganda, do you still believe in their "true hd gaming" theme as well?
the cost in developing next gen games are going through the roof, most publishers wont even WANT to fit that much content.
So, what are the chances of you BD fanatics to find a PS3 by the year end?
Well, according to the four game distributors I have accounts with, I have a pretty good chance of getting some units in the second shipment, although the first shipment was all spoken for.
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Um, not have to have some of my friends just sit on the couch and watch?
You do have more than 3 friends, right?
yeah, but usually when friends meet up we dont like to sit and play video games, rare occasions we'll play 1v1 madden,nhl, or fight night.
gaming is something i do when i have nothing else to do.
Yeah, everyone is just like you. I see your point.
dont be sarcastic, be real, think about it
7 controllers on one screen? can you even imagine that? not even 6, make the tv split evenly, no 7!!!!
haha, its typical sony fashion, dont make any sense, just squeeze as much numbers as you can to make it seem amazing on paper.
EDIT: technically i dont even know if that feature has been dropped. snoopy posted a really old article, and since then sony has dropped a lot of different things.... one of them being the ability to run two 1080p screens (which was absolute bs)
dont be sarcastic, be real, think about it
7 controllers on one screen? can you even imagine that? not even 6, make the tv split evenly, no 7!!!!
haha, its typical sony fashion, dont make any sense, just squeeze as much numbers as you can to make it seem amazing on paper.
EDIT: technically i dont even know if that feature has been dropped. snoopy posted a really old article, and since then sony has dropped a lot of different things.... one of them being the ability to run two 1080p screens (which was absolute bs)
4 people worked fine on the really tiny TV i had for college.
When I'm comfortable dropping money on an HDTV, it'll be like 5 times bigger than that. The 1080p will make it especially comfortable.
its typical sony fashion, dont make any sense, just squeeze as much numbers as you can to make it seem amazing on paper.
All companies do this but Sony is definitely not the worst of them. There is some quality in Sony products despite their late 90s QC issues and misguided attempts in some areas. The reality is if you aren't failing every so often then you aren't innovating.
But it's true. The PS3 is way cheaper than the XBOX for this very reason.
For the high end XBOX, you only get a 20 GB hard disk. That's the same as the LOW end PS3, only WITHOUT a next-gen optical drive.
The PS3 is a far better value for the money, hands down.
Exactly. Misleading to Elixir because God forbid them doing an apples to apples comparison of the low end models. Heck even if they had a chart doing a comparison of the low end model of the PS3 ($499) to the premium Xbox360, you still are going to pay more with the 360 ($599) when you have an apples to apples comparison in terms of capability.
So stop whining Elixir,...I couldn't agree more with gregmightdothat that the PS3 is a far better value for the money, hands down.
http://www.macworld.com/news/2006/10...ings/index.php
Exactly. Misleading to Elixir because God forbid them doing an apples to apples comparison of the low end models. Heck even if they had a chart doing a comparison of the low end model of the PS3 ($499) to the premium Xbox360, you still are going to pay more with the 360 ($599) when you have an apples to apples comparison in terms of capability.
So stop whining Elixir,...I couldn't agree more with gregmightdothat that the PS3 is a far better value for the money, hands down.
i guess this is when you guys stop talkign real terms, and start acting like fanboys. the point of ps3's chart was that they said "the xbox 360 requires" these things to experience great gaming, it even went as far as to LIE about nintendo charging for its online service, i mean even a ps3 representative has came out to "clear" things up a bit with their misleading chart.
i never knew i needed bluray to have great gaming? i never thought i needed an overblown hard drive to enjoy great gaming? so what value do you speak of?
bluray so far has BOMBED, yes BOMBED. HD-DVD, when it takes over the market will make bluray obsolete, and then what? what happens to your value?
i guess this is when you guys stop talkign real terms, and start acting like fanboys. the point of ps3's chart was that they said "the xbox 360 requires" these things to experience great gaming, it even went as far as to LIE about nintendo charging for its online service, i mean even a ps3 representative has came out to "clear" things up a bit with their misleading chart.
i never knew i needed bluray to have great gaming? i never thought i needed an overblown hard drive to enjoy great gaming? so what value do you speak of?
bluray so far has BOMBED, yes BOMBED. HD-DVD, when it takes over the market will make bluray obsolete, and then what? what happens to your value?
No, the point of Sony's chart was that you have to add those things up in order to make the baseline XBOX 360 comparable with the baseline PS3. That's why the PS3 is cheaper.
Those are all things the 360 is missing that the PS3 come standard with. Then you have to deal with the fact that even if you get the high end XBOX, it still isn't as good as the low end PS3.
No, the point of Sony's chart was that you have to add those things up in order to make the baseline XBOX 360 comparable with the baseline PS3. That's why the PS3 is cheaper.
Those are all things the 360 is missing that the PS3 come standard with. Then you have to deal with the fact that even if you get the high end XBOX, it still isn't as good as the low end PS3.
ok, whatever
the chart said "required" that is the problem there, and not only that, they decided to use the core system instead of the premium... regardless if they decided to compare one core to another, its misleading.
a bluray,hd-dvd drive, or hard drive are not required to play games. it's futile to say the value is greater because everyone has different opinions of what "value" is.
if i dont have 500 or 600 dollars to spend right now on a gaming system then "value" to me is being able to pick up a next gen console that i can enjoy right now for GAMING.
why do i need a bluray drive? and what if bluray tanks and bluray players a few months from now drop dramatically in price? i mean where does the value in that go?
defining "value" isn't so crystal clear in this mater
Elixir, it's clear that you have a major bug up your butt with regards to Sony. You're by far the most rabid anti-Sony poster here, even more anti-Blu-ray than Murch, and that's saying a lot. What, did Sony come over to your house and kick your dog? Just look at the way you latched onto "who needs seven controllers?" You do realize what that really means is seven Bluetooth devices? As in headsets, a remote, and other devices as well. If you want to have a bunch of cables snaking through the middle of your living room, that's fine, but not everyone does. Nor does everyone love having to be within spitting distance of the screen because the cables are only so long.
because i'm tired of sony's cocky attitude in the media, their overhyped products and NOT just the playstation, what they are tryign to do with bluray and their anti-pirating software... they talk a lot of smack, and never back crap up
so when people boast about 7 controllers on a freaking screen like its the greatest thing they have ever seen, yeah i tend to come in here laughing and asking "wtf?"
same way i couldn't believe how easily people got duped with that Killzone trailer, or sony's claim of "true hd gaming" . i just dont like them, kind of like you dont like a politician whose dirty, you know he's dirty, but some people just cant help themselves but to vote for him....
i know i'm stretching it but you get my point, and you should get my point, at least most of you.. the hate for microsoft from most apple faithfuls resembles what i'm talking about.. so its hard to sell the 360 in here.
i guess this is when you guys stop talkign real terms, and start acting like fanboys.
Every time he says stuff like this the irony just kills me
http://www.amazon.com/Xbox-360-HD-DV...8&s=videogames
This definitely proves that xbox360 is effective source of expanding HD-DVD market which will come sooner and will solely support HD-DVD Movie sales....... Also, the HD-DVD add on will only cost $200 to commit to the new format for existing 10 million xbox360 owners where BD will require at least $499/599 to join the Hi-Def Movie market, if anyone will be lucky enough to get one by the year end........
Anyway, long story short, xbox 360 will be as effective to support HD-DVD movie format as much as PS3 will to BD-DVD format market.
Well... it didn't take long for xbox360 HD-DVD add on to take 1st place of the gaming category over Amazon.
http://www.amazon.com/Xbox-360-HD-DV...8&s=videogames
This definitely proves that xbox360 is effective source of expanding HD-DVD market which will come sooner and will solely support HD-DVD Movie sales....... Also, the HD-DVD add on will only cost $200 to commit to the new format for existing 10 million xbox360 owners where BD will require at least $499/599 to join the Hi-Def Movie market, if anyone will be lucky enough to get one by the year end........
Anyway, long story short, xbox 360 will be as effective to support HD-DVD movie format as much as PS3 will to BD-DVD format market.
Word to the wise,...well in this case, the unwise,...HD market != Amazon despite how much you wish it really did. Nice try on the spin for your $200 add-on. The cost to commit to the HD DVD format via the 360 will be effectively $499/$599 as the last time I checked, the add-on doesn't do any good by itself, and the Xbox360 itself is $299/$399.
You pay the same, but you get no HDMI port with the 360, the added inconvenience of having the most awful looking external drive (is that thing from the 70s?), no game playback functionality, and of course lesser variety in terms of movies you can play back due to less studio support. Sounds like a great deal to me! Pfft!
Anyway, long story short, xbox 360 will be as effective to support HD-DVD movie format as much as PS3 will to BD-DVD format market.
Yes, of course.
Also, the HD-DVD add on will only cost $200 to commit to the new format for existing 10 million xbox360 owners where BD will require at least $499/599 to join the Hi-Def Movie market . . .
You confuse differential cost with total cost. It will cost an Xbox 360 owner $200 to add HD-DVD movie capability. It will cost a PS3 owner nothing, exactly $0, to add BD capability. This is differential cost.
The total cost is a minimum of $499 for either game system with HD movie capability. The customer can figure out what he or she will get for the total cost in both cases.
I think the decision will be clear cut, unless someone already purchased an Xbox 360. In this case, the owner of an Xbox 360 must choose between the $200 add on, or selling the Xbox on eBay and buying a PS3.
Yes, of course.
You confuse differential cost with total cost. It will cost an Xbox 360 owner $200 to add HD-DVD movie capability. It will cost a PS3 owner nothing, exactly $0, to add BD capability. This is differential cost.
The total cost is a minimum of $499 for either game system with HD movie capability. The customer can figure out what he or she will get for the total cost in both cases.
I think the decision will be clear cut, unless someone already purchased an Xbox 360. In this case, the owner of an Xbox 360 must choose between the $200 add on, or selling the Xbox on eBay and buying a PS3.
If you can read again, I've said $200 cost is for existing 10 million xbox 360 owners, not particularly applying to you. Also, the HD-DVD add on is very popular amoung HTPC enthusiast and I bet more than 50% of the buyers will use with HTPC.
So, what are the chances of you BD fanatics to find a PS3 by the year end?.... Well, no Hi-Def BD Movies for you.
Believe it or not, people are buying a lot more HD-DVD movies than the BD and that is that. This is how VHS won.... people keep on buying VHS over Beta......
Word to the wise,...well in this case, the unwise,...HD market != Amazon despite how much you wish it really did. Nice try on the spin for your $200 add-on. The cost to commit to the HD DVD format via the 360 will be effectively $499/$599 as the last time I checked, the add-on doesn't do any good by itself, and the Xbox360 itself is $299/$399.
You pay the same, but you get no HDMI port with the 360, the added inconvenience of having the most awful looking external drive (is that thing from the 70s?), no game playback functionality, and of course lesser variety in terms of movies you can play back due to less studio support. Sounds like a great deal to me! Pfft!
hey at least the HD-DVD crowd wont have to deal with the crap that comes a long with bluray and all its faults, shortages, and problems.
HDMI is coming for the 360 and so far i've seen a stronger line up for hd-dvd than bluray, i dont give a crap how many bluray movies are out there, if they aren't worth a damn what good does it do?
the only thing i can agree with you on is the look of the damn thing, wtf, the 360 looks great i think but that external drive is sure not an eye pleasure.
i reckon sometime next year, if hd-dvd has taken over, 360's will incorporate them within the systyem.
oh and enough with this game playback nonesense, honestly stop spitting out sony propaganda, do you still believe in their "true hd gaming" theme as well?
the cost in developing next gen games are going through the roof, most publishers wont even WANT to fit that much content.
So, what are the chances of you BD fanatics to find a PS3 by the year end?
Well, according to the four game distributors I have accounts with, I have a pretty good chance of getting some units in the second shipment, although the first shipment was all spoken for.