How can say iTV is going to be better than High Definition disk that holds 50+ gigs of data?
I also have to say, but everybody probably knows, that I think iTV is a POS.
Hm.... size isn't everything. Actually, the downloadable iTunes movie should be better than most DVD since it comes as 480p instead of 480i as on all NTSC DVD's. If the source is prestine progressive material at higer bit, it should upscale well to 1080p, atleast would be better than from a 480i DVD source in theory. However, the quality of source matterial does play a big role. Just take a look at Fifth Element Blu-Ray DVD, it barely looks better than superbit 480i SD-DVD. However, watch upconverted star wars III SD-DVD on 1080p TV, it looks almost as good as mid-grade Hi-Def material. So, 480p downloadable may look equal or better than 50GB BD-DVD movies if the title transfer quality isn't worth the Hi-Def stamp. Well.... just take a look at all Sony's 50GB BD-DVD releases.... they're 50GB full of crap...... However, Fox and others are doing well even on 25GB BD-DVD's with VC-1 or H264AVC codec.
I'm not trying to say the 480p material would equal 1080p, I'm just pointing out that when the source is handled improperly, even 1080p can't help with picture quality no more than properly handled 480p material. However, when both are handled properly, 1080p on Hi-Def format rules!
getting a ps3 just for bluray is a bad idea. remember how crappy the ps2 dvd player was? i can only imagine how F'd up this player will be.
people are estimating sony shipped as little as 200k consoles for launch, then a few more after launch.
they will be lucky to get a total of 400k out there by christmas.
and how many did they say they'd have by march?
i dont see how they will move so many players here in the state considering there aren't any great games coming out for it that aren't already on current gen consoles or on the 360, they are basically banking on brand loyalty.
How can say iTV is going to be better than High Definition disk that holds 50+ gigs of data?
Because if its done right it offers you instant access to your entire library of video titles either locally from your NAS or remotely streamed from iTunes?
You know, I've been a Blu-ray partisan from way back, but I was SO close to pulling the trigger on an HD DVD player last night. One thing that's stopping me is that the upconversion feature only works via HDMI, and my TV is component only. So I'd have to ADD this freaking huge Toshiba box to my current upconverting DVD player. Stupid studios and their piracy paranoia!
But I'm longing to see "Superman Returns" in high-def, and there are several other movies on HD DVD I'd love to have as well. So far the only Blu-ray exclusive that I'd absolutely have to have is the "Kingdom of Heaven" director's cut.
//Sony will be shipping off 100,000 PS3 units each week to all retail stores. There goal is to ship off one million PlayStation 3 units by the end of the year.
Expect to find the consoles in the stores on Friday's. There isn't expected to be more than six PlayStation 3's at each store. Call your local retailers to confirm that they have the PlayStation 3's before making the trip.//
wasnt 100,000 what they shipped of the PS2 a MONTH?
getting a ps3 just for bluray is a bad idea. remember how crappy the ps2 dvd player was? i can only imagine how F'd up this player will be.
people are estimating sony shipped as little as 200k consoles for launch, then a few more after launch.
they will be lucky to get a total of 400k out there by christmas.
and how many did they say they'd have by march?
i dont see how they will move so many players here in the state considering there aren't any great games coming out for it that aren't already on current gen consoles or on the 360, they are basically banking on brand loyalty.
Oh, you mean the PS2 DVD player that was better than any other DVD player on the sub-$800 market at the time?
I also have to say, but everybody probably knows, that I think iTV is a POS.
im tending to agree with that too... unless and until we see steve pull something BETTER out of his ass in Jan or when ever its READY... i dont think its READY yet though, do you?
I still don't believe that the PS3 is going to be used to watch BluRay movies. Just like I don't believe the argument that the PS2 was primarily responsible for the explosion of the original DVD.
I still don't believe that the PS3 is going to be used to watch BluRay movies. Just like I don't believe the argument that the PS2 was primarily responsible for the explosion of the original DVD.
I think I'm going to go with HD-DVD.
I agree. I think PS2 happened to have the DVD playback feature when the DVD popularity exploded, but not the other way around. I have a relative who had set up the PS2 as a DVD player in the kids room, but kids never watch DVD's in the kids room.
I still don't believe that the PS3 is going to be used to watch BluRay movies. Just like I don't believe the argument that the PS2 was primarily responsible for the explosion of the original DVD.
yeah, and my opinion will be backed up once you see the crazy amounts of people having bluray failures.
i wonder will this thread be left alone for a year, it sure would be interesting to come back to it and laugh heartily at whoever proved to be wrong through a lack of super time /space x-ray goggles
Meanwhile Nintendo is saying they have sold 600,000 Wii boxes in 8 days in NA ... VERY interesting.
thats 6000 odd Wiis in an hour or 104 a min!
is there actually ANY hope of Sony recovering ANYTHING?
will there be a 2 tear structure to the gaming market?
no-ones YET managed to do 3 terms as current console gen leader.. could nintendo end up back in 1st place? or have m$ actually ALREADY got to critical mass?
You know, I've been a Blu-ray partisan from way back, but I was SO close to pulling the trigger on an HD DVD player last night. One thing that's stopping me is that the upconversion feature only works via HDMI, and my TV is component only. So I'd have to ADD this freaking huge Toshiba box to my current upconverting DVD player. Stupid studios and their piracy paranoia!
But I'm longing to see "Superman Returns" in high-def, and there are several other movies on HD DVD I'd love to have as well. So far the only Blu-ray exclusive that I'd absolutely have to have is the "Kingdom of Heaven" director's cut.
Are you saying that HD-DVD does not require HDMI for full 1080P HD viewing?
getting a ps3 just for bluray is a bad idea. remember how crappy the ps2 dvd player was? i can only imagine how F'd up this player will be.
people are estimating sony shipped as little as 200k consoles for launch, then a few more after launch.
they will be lucky to get a total of 400k out there by christmas.
and how many did they say they'd have by march?
i dont see how they will move so many players here in the state considering there aren't any great games coming out for it that aren't already on current gen consoles or on the 360, they are basically banking on brand loyalty.
Well MacWord recently reviewed the PS3 BRD player, and said the picture was much crisper than the $1,500.00 BRD player they reviewed two weeks earlier. Which was a very favorable review for using the PS3 as a BR-HD-DVD player IMO.
I remember the talk going around before the PS2 went on sale. Having a DVD player in the PS2 seemed to be a big deal with lots of folks. Stand alone players were very expensive, and I wondered how Sony could afford to include one in a game console.
My son wanted a Game Cube at the time, so I never considered the PS2 as a DVD player, at first. The Game Cube's price was the deciding factor for my son who had to buy it out of his saved allowance.
Many of his friends were getting the PS2, however, and it became apparent that he would rather have the PS2, except for price.
So, I struck a deal with him. He paid the price of a Game Cube, and I paid the difference for a PS2. In return, we all got to watch DVD movies on the PS2, which sat in the living room by the TV. It worked so well that I didn't buy a DVD player until the prices dropped to well under $100.
Are you saying that HD-DVD does not require HDMI for full 1080P HD viewing?
in the case of xbox360 add on, you only need VGA or component to view 1080p at this time, however, on the stand alone HD-DVD player, you need HDCP compliance via digital interconnects to view in hi-def resolutions. BTW, BrunoBruin was talking about upconverting SD-DVD on HD-DVD player on component out.
in the case of xbox360 add on, you only need VGA or component to view 1080p at this time, however, on the stand alone HD-DVD player, you need HDCP compliance via digital interconnects to view in hi-def resolutions. BTW, BrunoBruin was talking about upconverting SD-DVD on HD-DVD player on component out.
I missed that connection, but I should have known because my upconvert is the same way.
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I have to say that your argument is ridiculous.
How can say iTV is going to be better than High Definition disk that holds 50+ gigs of data?
I also have to say, but everybody probably knows, that I think iTV is a POS.
Hm.... size isn't everything. Actually, the downloadable iTunes movie should be better than most DVD since it comes as 480p instead of 480i as on all NTSC DVD's. If the source is prestine progressive material at higer bit, it should upscale well to 1080p, atleast would be better than from a 480i DVD source in theory. However, the quality of source matterial does play a big role. Just take a look at Fifth Element Blu-Ray DVD, it barely looks better than superbit 480i SD-DVD. However, watch upconverted star wars III SD-DVD on 1080p TV, it looks almost as good as mid-grade Hi-Def material. So, 480p downloadable may look equal or better than 50GB BD-DVD movies if the title transfer quality isn't worth the Hi-Def stamp. Well.... just take a look at all Sony's 50GB BD-DVD releases.... they're 50GB full of crap...... However, Fox and others are doing well even on 25GB BD-DVD's with VC-1 or H264AVC codec.
I'm not trying to say the 480p material would equal 1080p, I'm just pointing out that when the source is handled improperly, even 1080p can't help with picture quality no more than properly handled 480p material. However, when both are handled properly, 1080p on Hi-Def format rules!
people are estimating sony shipped as little as 200k consoles for launch, then a few more after launch.
they will be lucky to get a total of 400k out there by christmas.
and how many did they say they'd have by march?
i dont see how they will move so many players here in the state considering there aren't any great games coming out for it that aren't already on current gen consoles or on the 360, they are basically banking on brand loyalty.
I have to say that your argument is ridiculous.
How can say iTV is going to be better than High Definition disk that holds 50+ gigs of data?
Because if its done right it offers you instant access to your entire library of video titles either locally from your NAS or remotely streamed from iTunes?
Vinea
But I'm longing to see "Superman Returns" in high-def, and there are several other movies on HD DVD I'd love to have as well. So far the only Blu-ray exclusive that I'd absolutely have to have is the "Kingdom of Heaven" director's cut.
//Sony will be shipping off 100,000 PS3 units each week to all retail stores. There goal is to ship off one million PlayStation 3 units by the end of the year.
Expect to find the consoles in the stores on Friday's. There isn't expected to be more than six PlayStation 3's at each store. Call your local retailers to confirm that they have the PlayStation 3's before making the trip.//
wasnt 100,000 what they shipped of the PS2 a MONTH?
anyone forgotten how its doing in japan?
getting a ps3 just for bluray is a bad idea. remember how crappy the ps2 dvd player was? i can only imagine how F'd up this player will be.
people are estimating sony shipped as little as 200k consoles for launch, then a few more after launch.
they will be lucky to get a total of 400k out there by christmas.
and how many did they say they'd have by march?
i dont see how they will move so many players here in the state considering there aren't any great games coming out for it that aren't already on current gen consoles or on the 360, they are basically banking on brand loyalty.
Oh, you mean the PS2 DVD player that was better than any other DVD player on the sub-$800 market at the time?
i can only imagine
so its opinion ONLY then?
I have to say that your argument is ridiculous.
agreed!
I also have to say, but everybody probably knows, that I think iTV is a POS.
im tending to agree with that too... unless and until we see steve pull something BETTER out of his ass in Jan or when ever its READY... i dont think its READY yet though, do you?
so its opinion ONLY then?
yeah, and my opinion will be backed up once you see the crazy amounts of people having bluray failures.
I think I'm going to go with HD-DVD.
I still don't believe that the PS3 is going to be used to watch BluRay movies. Just like I don't believe the argument that the PS2 was primarily responsible for the explosion of the original DVD.
I think I'm going to go with HD-DVD.
I agree. I think PS2 happened to have the DVD playback feature when the DVD popularity exploded, but not the other way around. I have a relative who had set up the PS2 as a DVD player in the kids room, but kids never watch DVD's in the kids room.
I still don't believe that the PS3 is going to be used to watch BluRay movies. Just like I don't believe the argument that the PS2 was primarily responsible for the explosion of the original DVD.
opinion
I think I'm going to go with HD-DVD.
choice
yeah, and my opinion will be backed up once you see the crazy amounts of people having bluray failures.
i wonder will this thread be left alone for a year, it sure would be interesting to come back to it and laugh heartily at whoever proved to be wrong through a lack of super time /space x-ray goggles
thats 6000 odd Wiis in an hour or 104 a min!
is there actually ANY hope of Sony recovering ANYTHING?
will there be a 2 tear structure to the gaming market?
no-ones YET managed to do 3 terms as current console gen leader.. could nintendo end up back in 1st place? or have m$ actually ALREADY got to critical mass?
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You know, I've been a Blu-ray partisan from way back, but I was SO close to pulling the trigger on an HD DVD player last night. One thing that's stopping me is that the upconversion feature only works via HDMI, and my TV is component only. So I'd have to ADD this freaking huge Toshiba box to my current upconverting DVD player. Stupid studios and their piracy paranoia!
But I'm longing to see "Superman Returns" in high-def, and there are several other movies on HD DVD I'd love to have as well. So far the only Blu-ray exclusive that I'd absolutely have to have is the "Kingdom of Heaven" director's cut.
Are you saying that HD-DVD does not require HDMI for full 1080P HD viewing?
getting a ps3 just for bluray is a bad idea. remember how crappy the ps2 dvd player was? i can only imagine how F'd up this player will be.
people are estimating sony shipped as little as 200k consoles for launch, then a few more after launch.
they will be lucky to get a total of 400k out there by christmas.
and how many did they say they'd have by march?
i dont see how they will move so many players here in the state considering there aren't any great games coming out for it that aren't already on current gen consoles or on the 360, they are basically banking on brand loyalty.
Well MacWord recently reviewed the PS3 BRD player, and said the picture was much crisper than the $1,500.00 BRD player they reviewed two weeks earlier. Which was a very favorable review for using the PS3 as a BR-HD-DVD player IMO.
I remember the talk going around before the PS2 went on sale. Having a DVD player in the PS2 seemed to be a big deal with lots of folks. Stand alone players were very expensive, and I wondered how Sony could afford to include one in a game console.
My son wanted a Game Cube at the time, so I never considered the PS2 as a DVD player, at first. The Game Cube's price was the deciding factor for my son who had to buy it out of his saved allowance.
Many of his friends were getting the PS2, however, and it became apparent that he would rather have the PS2, except for price.
So, I struck a deal with him. He paid the price of a Game Cube, and I paid the difference for a PS2. In return, we all got to watch DVD movies on the PS2, which sat in the living room by the TV. It worked so well that I didn't buy a DVD player until the prices dropped to well under $100.
Are you saying that HD-DVD does not require HDMI for full 1080P HD viewing?
in the case of xbox360 add on, you only need VGA or component to view 1080p at this time, however, on the stand alone HD-DVD player, you need HDCP compliance via digital interconnects to view in hi-def resolutions. BTW, BrunoBruin was talking about upconverting SD-DVD on HD-DVD player on component out.
in the case of xbox360 add on, you only need VGA or component to view 1080p at this time, however, on the stand alone HD-DVD player, you need HDCP compliance via digital interconnects to view in hi-def resolutions. BTW, BrunoBruin was talking about upconverting SD-DVD on HD-DVD player on component out.
I missed that connection, but I should have known because my upconvert is the same way.
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Duh.
And ... duh.