and that is absolute goddamn BS! any time i get to call up the internet company or phone company i give them hell.
it's absolute horse crap the kind of monopoly these stupid companies have, its an absolute joke. we have the worst internet and we're in the damn U.S OF A
seriously wtf?? it drives me up the wall when i think about it.
Exactly.
Anyways...
Despite more movies being available on HD-DVD, Sony has by far more studios supporting it, and these Studios will start to crank out a lot of movies in 2007. This will catch Blu-Ray up with HD-DVD, if not surpass them, in terms of content. Then there is the final thing that could kill Sony: $$$. Sony needs to get their player cost down to be within $50 of HD-DVD or consumers will just by HD-DVD and studios and the industry will ditch Blu-Ray to follow the winds of the market. If sony can get the prices down, there is smooth sailing for them.
It's obvious to me why Blu Ray, and PS3 is getting bashed initially. It's second out of the gate, and the availability of the PS3 is hard to come by. Frustration with the availability, and price of the format has driven many to jump the gun and buy the other format. Thus when the BR, and PS3 devices become more readily available and more people get them, HD-DVD buyers are looking at possible loosing battle in the future, and a dead end on their initial investment in HD-DVD. Badmouthing it as much as possible (the proof is in this thread) is the best way to turn users, which in turn gains them more advocates to help them back up their investment. I'm not that foolish or impatient, and I still see the greater benefits of the BR format. I can wait til mid 2007.
Blu-ray players are already more available. There is the Philips, Samsung, Pioneer, Panasonic and now Sony units. When someone jumps the gun and buys HD DVD they don't suddenly abandon the format. Those people are buying HD DVD movies...that's not good for Blu-ray. Will Blu-ray sell more players? Yes. But will they sell at a faster rate than HD DVD for dedicated players? That's unknown really. The assumption that Blu-ray will suddenly pick up steam is what many of you are clinging to. The A2 is already selling very well at Best Buys across the country. If you think you're going to see some greater benefit of Blu-ray you're simply deluding yourself. Warner, Paramount and any other neuteral studio is simply going to use the same encode for video. Thus you won't see a specific high bitrate Blu-ray version it'll look the same as the HD DVD version. That means there's no incentive for someone with a HD DVD player to buy Blu-ray because the players are more expensive on the average.
I'm not hating on Blu-ray.. the format wasn't really ready to launch this year. HD DVD has a clear lead. You guys have to come up with a bit more than fantasy to explain how Blu-ray is going to take the lead. The playstation really isn't blowing the world away. Hell the Wii has sold more players and Xbox 360 is selling well. By march 2007 we'll pretty much know if Blu-ray is going to be a factor or not. This is really do or die time for Sony. That's not FUD that's just being honest.
Blu-ray players are already more available. There is the Philips, Samsung, Pioneer, Panasonic and now Sony units. When someone jumps the gun and buys HD DVD they don't suddenly abandon the format. Those people are buying HD DVD movies...that's not good for Blu-ray. Will Blu-ray sell more players? Yes. But will they sell at a faster rate than HD DVD for dedicated players? That's unknown really. The assumption that Blu-ray will suddenly pick up steam is what many of you are clinging to. The A2 is already selling very well at Best Buys across the country. If you think you're going to see some greater benefit of Blu-ray you're simply deluding yourself. Warner, Paramount and any other neuteral studio is simply going to use the same encode for video. Thus you won't see a specific high bitrate Blu-ray version it'll look the same as the HD DVD version. That means there's no incentive for someone with a HD DVD player to buy Blu-ray because the players are more expensive on the average.
I'm not hating on Blu-ray.. the format wasn't really ready to launch this year. HD DVD has a clear lead. You guys have to come up with a bit more than fantasy to explain how Blu-ray is going to take the lead. The playstation really isn't blowing the world away. Hell the Wii has sold more players and Xbox 360 is selling well. By march 2007 we'll pretty much know if Blu-ray is going to be a factor or not. This is really do or die time for Sony. That's not FUD that's just being honest.
similar things could have been and WERE said about Apples "LATE" entry into the MP3 Player market.. and ARE being said about the Zoon.
all it takes is enough momentum, and at the moment i dont think EITHER player has enough of that, as i keep saying WAIT 6 months, then chime in with who is "winning"
*I* will still admire you for sticking to your guns even IF Blu ray is the dominant format
heres a quote for those of you banging on about attatchment rates of the HD-DVD add on for the 360
//It has taken Sony only 4 weeks to outsell the Xbox360 in Japan. Recent news from Japan reports that the Sony PlayStation 3 has recently sold over 187,000 units compared to Microsoft's Xbox360 which is sitting pretty at around 178,000 units. Media Create, the Japaneses tracking organization, is responsible for keeping track of the product sales for each major gaming company. They have also reported that it took Microsoft 52 weeks to sell the number of Xbox360s they are currently at.//
well SOME people are SO keen on numbers when it suits them
heres a quote for those of you banging on about attatchment rates of the HD-DVD add on for the 360
//It has taken Sony only 4 weeks to outsell the Xbox360 in Japan. Recent news from Japan reports that the Sony PlayStation 3 has recently sold over 187,000 units compared to Microsoft's Xbox360 which is sitting pretty at around 178,000 units. Media Create, the Japaneses tracking organization, is responsible for keeping track of the product sales for each major gaming company. They have also reported that it took Microsoft 52 weeks to sell the number of Xbox360s they are currently at.//
well SOME people are SO keen on numbers when it suits them
i love how people hang on the japenese market.
its hard for any american company to pull through over there. they are such freaking loyalists, especially with sony. sony IS japans company, its going to be hard for microsoft to do much there.
i still think nintendo will pull ahead of sony there however
I also was considering a HD LCD or Plasma since the prices are really coming down. I ruled out a plasma though. At that Best Buy they had a large plasma marked down that was returned due to burn in.
The original buyer had run it exclusively on 4:3 aspect ratio so the left side and right side had a very noticeable lines running vertically down the screen. Since most of the programming I would be receiving would be 4:3 I wouldn't want to spend that kind of money and have the same problem. I thought that the plasma manufacturers had solved this burn in problem?
Looks like I'll be holding off getting an HD TV for awhile until most all stations broadcast HD.
Here's the thing with HD...if you sit far enough away it makes little difference between 720 and 1080. Sit really far away and you won't be able to tell much difference between 480 and 1080.
It turns out that the smaller the screen the further folks sit away from it. Odd but there are a couple of studies on that. So HD benefits the folks at AVS the most...as they tend to have the largest screens and you can really see problems when you blow them up to that size. They also sit closer than most average folks in terms of ratio (seating distance in terms of screen height).
The whole HD spec is designed to provide 30 degrees horizontal field of view with at 1 pixel per degree pixel density...which is the rule of thumb for human visual acuity. I'll buy a 1080 TV eventually but realize that in the family I'm likely the only one that will sit close enough to really care between a HD TV and a good ED TV. Likewise, I'll eventually do HD-DVD or BR but in reality the best I can project is 720 onto my screen.
What brand was that burn-in with? You won't get that with a Panasonic plasma, because the side bars are gray, and it looks better in stretched mode anyway (where the 480i center image is left alone, and the sides are pulled out - I only notice it when butts get enormous at the edges of the American Idol stage).
Here's the thing with HD...if you sit far enough away it makes little difference between 720 and 1080. Sit really far away and you won't be able to tell much difference between 480 and 1080.
It turns out that the smaller the screen the further folks sit away from it. Odd but there are a couple of studies on that. So HD benefits the folks at AVS the most...as they tend to have the largest screens and you can really see problems when you blow them up to that size. They also sit closer than most average folks in terms of ratio (seating distance in terms of screen height).
The whole HD spec is designed to provide 30 degrees horizontal field of view with at 1 pixel per degree pixel density...which is the rule of thumb for human visual acuity. I'll buy a 1080 TV eventually but realize that in the family I'm likely the only one that will sit close enough to really care between a HD TV and a good ED TV. Likewise, I'll eventually do HD-DVD or BR but in reality the best I can project is 720 onto my screen.
Vinea
Thank you for the response and the information on resolutions and viewing.
Do you have any information on problems plasma screens have with burn in?
ALL Plasmas can suffer from burn in... INCLUDING Panasonic... its not the company its the technology..
although if you follow certian rules to run it in (for around 200 hours) you can reduce the risk, but then channel logos can still be an issue
I have no burn in with my panasonic, and I abuse it many hours a day with video games (which are the worst for burn in due to stationary status bars and such).
Today's plasmas are reputed to be much better than before. Folks on AVS say that with proper care there should be any issue with 4:3 viewing. I haven't been on AVS for a bit but its a good place to look for information if you're going to buy soon. I usually pop in for a couple months before just to get a feel for the market.
Just understand that the folks there are going to have slightly more critical opinions than most folks who aren't videophiles. I can read a CIE chart but honestly, without a reference system I can live with orangey reds and so-so blacks in exchange for other things (like price, ease of use or brightness). Some folks there feel differently. That's a projector thing BTW not a Plasma thing. I'm sure there are Plasma quirks that you can read about.
"Okay... now for a bit of high-def news. I said on Friday that you can expect some major title announcements at the Consumer Electronics Show (CES) in January. Well, I wasn't kidding and we've got a bit of follow-up for you.
I've just spoken today with Eric Maehara, VP of Communications for Buena Vista Home Entertainment. He informed me that the studio is planning to announce a MAJOR Blu-ray Disc release line-up for the first half of 2007 at CES. In addition, he reiterated to me in no uncertain terms that BVHE has no plans to support HD-DVD, despite persistent online rumors to the contrary.
I've also spoken this afternoon with Steve Feldstein, Senior VP of Corporate and Marketing Communications for 20th Century Fox Home Entertainment. He likewise confirmed that Fox has no plans to support HD-DVD, and that the studio will also be announcing additional Blu-ray Disc titles at CES."
Maybe it will be finally China's chance to shine for HD DVD as some of you have stated, because certainly Disney and Fox aren't going to help them...they'll most likely help burying them.
Maybe it will be finally China's chance to shine for HD DVD as some of you have stated, because certainly Disney and Fox aren't going to help them...they'll most likely help burying them.
it's a bit hard to swallow to be honest. i mean how far down the hole will these companies go with bluray? i cant imagine them sticking around much longer if the ps3 doesn't shine, and the numbers dont improve.
it's a bit hard to swallow to be honest. i mean how far down the hole will these companies go with bluray? i cant imagine them sticking around much longer if the ps3 doesn't shine, and the numbers dont improve.
It's not that surprising or hard to swallow if you think about it. The studio's wanted Blu Ray from the get go. These are the backers. This is what they wanted. Disney is a perfect example. Like I said. I'm not that impatient. Blu Ray got out of the gate half a year later. Moves like this seem more obvious than anything.
BVHE distributes Disney movies. Disney is the company we want. I don't give a shat about BVHE. Although I don't think that we'll see Disney onboard until mid 2007.
I have no burn in with my panasonic, and I abuse it many hours a day with video games (which are the worst for burn in due to stationary status bars and such).
YOU dont, i said all plasmas CAN suffer from it, its the tech not the maker
im delighted you dont though, but it IS something people need to be aware of as a potential downfall, CRT being at the top of its game as a technology has spoilt us.
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and that is absolute goddamn BS! any time i get to call up the internet company or phone company i give them hell.
it's absolute horse crap the kind of monopoly these stupid companies have, its an absolute joke. we have the worst internet and we're in the damn U.S OF A
seriously wtf?? it drives me up the wall when i think about it.
Exactly.
Anyways...
Despite more movies being available on HD-DVD, Sony has by far more studios supporting it, and these Studios will start to crank out a lot of movies in 2007. This will catch Blu-Ray up with HD-DVD, if not surpass them, in terms of content. Then there is the final thing that could kill Sony: $$$. Sony needs to get their player cost down to be within $50 of HD-DVD or consumers will just by HD-DVD and studios and the industry will ditch Blu-Ray to follow the winds of the market. If sony can get the prices down, there is smooth sailing for them.
It's obvious to me why Blu Ray, and PS3 is getting bashed initially. It's second out of the gate, and the availability of the PS3 is hard to come by. Frustration with the availability, and price of the format has driven many to jump the gun and buy the other format. Thus when the BR, and PS3 devices become more readily available and more people get them, HD-DVD buyers are looking at possible loosing battle in the future, and a dead end on their initial investment in HD-DVD. Badmouthing it as much as possible (the proof is in this thread) is the best way to turn users, which in turn gains them more advocates to help them back up their investment. I'm not that foolish or impatient, and I still see the greater benefits of the BR format. I can wait til mid 2007.
Blu-ray players are already more available. There is the Philips, Samsung, Pioneer, Panasonic and now Sony units. When someone jumps the gun and buys HD DVD they don't suddenly abandon the format. Those people are buying HD DVD movies...that's not good for Blu-ray. Will Blu-ray sell more players? Yes. But will they sell at a faster rate than HD DVD for dedicated players? That's unknown really. The assumption that Blu-ray will suddenly pick up steam is what many of you are clinging to. The A2 is already selling very well at Best Buys across the country. If you think you're going to see some greater benefit of Blu-ray you're simply deluding yourself. Warner, Paramount and any other neuteral studio is simply going to use the same encode for video. Thus you won't see a specific high bitrate Blu-ray version it'll look the same as the HD DVD version. That means there's no incentive for someone with a HD DVD player to buy Blu-ray because the players are more expensive on the average.
I'm not hating on Blu-ray.. the format wasn't really ready to launch this year. HD DVD has a clear lead. You guys have to come up with a bit more than fantasy to explain how Blu-ray is going to take the lead. The playstation really isn't blowing the world away. Hell the Wii has sold more players and Xbox 360 is selling well. By march 2007 we'll pretty much know if Blu-ray is going to be a factor or not. This is really do or die time for Sony. That's not FUD that's just being honest.
Blu-ray players are already more available. There is the Philips, Samsung, Pioneer, Panasonic and now Sony units. When someone jumps the gun and buys HD DVD they don't suddenly abandon the format. Those people are buying HD DVD movies...that's not good for Blu-ray. Will Blu-ray sell more players? Yes. But will they sell at a faster rate than HD DVD for dedicated players? That's unknown really. The assumption that Blu-ray will suddenly pick up steam is what many of you are clinging to. The A2 is already selling very well at Best Buys across the country. If you think you're going to see some greater benefit of Blu-ray you're simply deluding yourself. Warner, Paramount and any other neuteral studio is simply going to use the same encode for video. Thus you won't see a specific high bitrate Blu-ray version it'll look the same as the HD DVD version. That means there's no incentive for someone with a HD DVD player to buy Blu-ray because the players are more expensive on the average.
I'm not hating on Blu-ray.. the format wasn't really ready to launch this year. HD DVD has a clear lead. You guys have to come up with a bit more than fantasy to explain how Blu-ray is going to take the lead. The playstation really isn't blowing the world away. Hell the Wii has sold more players and Xbox 360 is selling well. By march 2007 we'll pretty much know if Blu-ray is going to be a factor or not. This is really do or die time for Sony. That's not FUD that's just being honest.
similar things could have been and WERE said about Apples "LATE" entry into the MP3 Player market.. and ARE being said about the Zoon.
all it takes is enough momentum, and at the moment i dont think EITHER player has enough of that, as i keep saying WAIT 6 months, then chime in with who is "winning"
*I* will still admire you for sticking to your guns even IF Blu ray is the dominant format
//It has taken Sony only 4 weeks to outsell the Xbox360 in Japan. Recent news from Japan reports that the Sony PlayStation 3 has recently sold over 187,000 units compared to Microsoft's Xbox360 which is sitting pretty at around 178,000 units. Media Create, the Japaneses tracking organization, is responsible for keeping track of the product sales for each major gaming company. They have also reported that it took Microsoft 52 weeks to sell the number of Xbox360s they are currently at.//
well SOME people are SO keen on numbers when it suits them
heres a quote for those of you banging on about attatchment rates of the HD-DVD add on for the 360
//It has taken Sony only 4 weeks to outsell the Xbox360 in Japan. Recent news from Japan reports that the Sony PlayStation 3 has recently sold over 187,000 units compared to Microsoft's Xbox360 which is sitting pretty at around 178,000 units. Media Create, the Japaneses tracking organization, is responsible for keeping track of the product sales for each major gaming company. They have also reported that it took Microsoft 52 weeks to sell the number of Xbox360s they are currently at.//
well SOME people are SO keen on numbers when it suits them
i love how people hang on the japenese market.
its hard for any american company to pull through over there. they are such freaking loyalists, especially with sony. sony IS japans company, its going to be hard for microsoft to do much there.
i still think nintendo will pull ahead of sony there however
I also was considering a HD LCD or Plasma since the prices are really coming down. I ruled out a plasma though. At that Best Buy they had a large plasma marked down that was returned due to burn in.
The original buyer had run it exclusively on 4:3 aspect ratio so the left side and right side had a very noticeable lines running vertically down the screen. Since most of the programming I would be receiving would be 4:3 I wouldn't want to spend that kind of money and have the same problem. I thought that the plasma manufacturers had solved this burn in problem?
Looks like I'll be holding off getting an HD TV for awhile until most all stations broadcast HD.
Here's the thing with HD...if you sit far enough away it makes little difference between 720 and 1080. Sit really far away and you won't be able to tell much difference between 480 and 1080.
It turns out that the smaller the screen the further folks sit away from it. Odd but there are a couple of studies on that. So HD benefits the folks at AVS the most...as they tend to have the largest screens and you can really see problems when you blow them up to that size. They also sit closer than most average folks in terms of ratio (seating distance in terms of screen height).
The whole HD spec is designed to provide 30 degrees horizontal field of view with at 1 pixel per degree pixel density...which is the rule of thumb for human visual acuity. I'll buy a 1080 TV eventually but realize that in the family I'm likely the only one that will sit close enough to really care between a HD TV and a good ED TV. Likewise, I'll eventually do HD-DVD or BR but in reality the best I can project is 720 onto my screen.
Vinea
Here's the thing with HD...if you sit far enough away it makes little difference between 720 and 1080. Sit really far away and you won't be able to tell much difference between 480 and 1080.
It turns out that the smaller the screen the further folks sit away from it. Odd but there are a couple of studies on that. So HD benefits the folks at AVS the most...as they tend to have the largest screens and you can really see problems when you blow them up to that size. They also sit closer than most average folks in terms of ratio (seating distance in terms of screen height).
The whole HD spec is designed to provide 30 degrees horizontal field of view with at 1 pixel per degree pixel density...which is the rule of thumb for human visual acuity. I'll buy a 1080 TV eventually but realize that in the family I'm likely the only one that will sit close enough to really care between a HD TV and a good ED TV. Likewise, I'll eventually do HD-DVD or BR but in reality the best I can project is 720 onto my screen.
Vinea
Thank you for the response and the information on resolutions and viewing.
Do you have any information on problems plasma screens have with burn in?
edited stupid spelling.
Thank you for the response and the information on resolutions and viewing.
Do you have any information on problems plasma screens have with burn in?
edited stupid spelling.
ALL Plasmas can suffer from burn in... INCLUDING Panasonic... its not the company its the technology..
although if you follow certian rules to run it in (for around 200 hours) you can reduce the risk, but then channel logos can still be an issue
Thanks.
ALL Plasmas can suffer from burn in... INCLUDING Panasonic... its not the company its the technology..
although if you follow certian rules to run it in (for around 200 hours) you can reduce the risk, but then channel logos can still be an issue
I have no burn in with my panasonic, and I abuse it many hours a day with video games (which are the worst for burn in due to stationary status bars and such).
Just understand that the folks there are going to have slightly more critical opinions than most folks who aren't videophiles. I can read a CIE chart but honestly, without a reference system I can live with orangey reds and so-so blacks in exchange for other things (like price, ease of use or brightness). Some folks there feel differently. That's a projector thing BTW not a Plasma thing. I'm sure there are Plasma quirks that you can read about.
Vinea
http://www.thedigitalbits.com/#mytwocents
"Okay... now for a bit of high-def news. I said on Friday that you can expect some major title announcements at the Consumer Electronics Show (CES) in January. Well, I wasn't kidding and we've got a bit of follow-up for you.
I've just spoken today with Eric Maehara, VP of Communications for Buena Vista Home Entertainment. He informed me that the studio is planning to announce a MAJOR Blu-ray Disc release line-up for the first half of 2007 at CES. In addition, he reiterated to me in no uncertain terms that BVHE has no plans to support HD-DVD, despite persistent online rumors to the contrary.
I've also spoken this afternoon with Steve Feldstein, Senior VP of Corporate and Marketing Communications for 20th Century Fox Home Entertainment. He likewise confirmed that Fox has no plans to support HD-DVD, and that the studio will also be announcing additional Blu-ray Disc titles at CES."
Maybe it will be finally China's chance to shine for HD DVD as some of you have stated, because certainly Disney and Fox aren't going to help them...they'll most likely help burying them.
Sorry to burst the Amazon card carrying, HD DVD hopefuls here, but...
http://www.thedigitalbits.com/#mytwocents
Maybe it will be finally China's chance to shine for HD DVD as some of you have stated, because certainly Disney and Fox aren't going to help them...they'll most likely help burying them.
That's got to be a bit devastating. If it's true.
That's got to be a bit devastating. If it's true.
it's a bit hard to swallow to be honest. i mean how far down the hole will these companies go with bluray? i cant imagine them sticking around much longer if the ps3 doesn't shine, and the numbers dont improve.
it's a bit hard to swallow to be honest. i mean how far down the hole will these companies go with bluray? i cant imagine them sticking around much longer if the ps3 doesn't shine, and the numbers dont improve.
It's not that surprising or hard to swallow if you think about it. The studio's wanted Blu Ray from the get go. These are the backers. This is what they wanted. Disney is a perfect example. Like I said. I'm not that impatient. Blu Ray got out of the gate half a year later. Moves like this seem more obvious than anything.
BVHE distributes Disney movies. Disney is the company we want. I don't give a shat about BVHE. Although I don't think that we'll see Disney onboard until mid 2007.
BVHE distributes Disney movies. Disney is the company we want. I don't give a shat about BVHE.
I have no burn in with my panasonic, and I abuse it many hours a day with video games (which are the worst for burn in due to stationary status bars and such).
YOU dont, i said all plasmas CAN suffer from it, its the tech not the maker
im delighted you dont though, but it IS something people need to be aware of as a potential downfall, CRT being at the top of its game as a technology has spoilt us.
Sorry to burst the Amazon card carrying, HD DVD hopefuls here
that made me laugh