I'm using a computer that was made in 1998 and it still fits my needs pretty well. Granted, I've expanded the memory and it was a very high end computer at the time but it still holds its own.
I have listened to his interviews, I think on Science Friday. There are interesting ideas there, but for things like computers, every doubling of chip complexity doesn't necessarily net a doubling of compute power, and that compute power is progressively less efficiently used.
I'm using a computer that was made in 1998 and it still fits my needs pretty well.
I have listened to his interviews, I think on Science Friday. There are interesting ideas there, but for things like computers, every doubling of chip complexity doesn't necessarily net a doubling of compute power, and that compute power is progressively less efficiently used.
I definately agree with that. The last machine I had before this one, was an 8 or so year old 8600 with a 400mhz g3 upgrade card in, 256mb of RAM and 4 mb of VRAM, running mostly os 9, but a bit of 10.2.. We had to hack the box to make it run osX ;p
Abobe and MS are on 2-3 year cycles on the release of major upgrades to their software(office, CS). You don't think today's intel MBP will be able to handle 2 upgrades? I think they'll be just fine. Upgrades on OSX have not obsoleted older macs. To the contrary many run faster.
Exponentially different might be a bit of an overstatement.
If you're buying a machine to do word processing and web browsing, the likelihood is that you'll still be able to process words and browse webs in another 4 years. I can still surf with my Lime 333mhz G3 iMac if I choose to.
Abobe and MS are on 2-3 year cycles on the release of major upgrades to their software(office, CS). You don't think today's intel MBP will be able to handle 2 upgrades? I think they'll be just fine. Upgrades on OSX have not obsoleted older macs. To the contrary many run faster.
backtomac I definately agree that a MBP would be a great investment but on my student loan income I simply do not have the necessary capital with which to invest ;p
Almost every piece I have read on 10.5 anticipates enhanced graphical effects. It's just part of the current trend in interface design, like it or not. That means more overhead. Shouldn't you be in the studio working instead of barking at all of us?
Don't forget that outside the USA Apple has a much lower profile. It's press events build a level of worldwide media interest and publicity that would cost Apple a lot of money to purchase. For example, the morning after the iPod Video was launched it was on the main breakfast TV show in the UK. Imagine how many sales that translated into. I doubt that would have happened if the product just appeared one day with a bland press release. Personnally I like a bit of Steve Job's showmanship.
Almost every piece I have read on 10.5 anticipates enhanced graphical effects. It's just part of the current trend in interface design, like it or not. That means more overhead. Shouldn't you be in the studio working instead of barking at all of us?
barking with typed text is a rare ability.. actually I am working, just type in forum whilst my computer thinks
anyway I wasn't intending to "bark" I was just wondering whether you were using educated guesswork or actually had a direct piece of information that related to this
Almost every piece I have read on 10.5 anticipates enhanced graphical effects. It's just part of the current trend in interface design, like it or not. That means more overhead.
Keep in mind that is all speculation. I would expect that if it really offloads graphics effects to the GPU, the speed difference should be negligible on any currenly selling system. I can't imagine Leopard's GPU demands to exceed that of what an X1600 (or even Intel's 950 IGP) can do, and even if it is more than what the older systems can do, the eyecandy would probably be bypassed if it works like the eyecandy motion on Tiger and previous versions of OS X.
It shouldn't say "b". If you look at the rules page, it tells how to load an attachment. It says to find it in your machine using the "browse" button.
This is what it says in the FAQ:
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You can see why it's confusing.
Admittedly, I hadn't looked at the vB code. I just checked that out. I'll try it later.
It is. It's greenish. I've seen it at times as they were putting it up. Sometimes, the black cloth covering it had to be partly moved so that construction machinery could lift parts of the cube to their place, and, for some reason, couldn't be done from the inside, as apparently most of it is being done.
I've got his books. He's a brilliant guy, no doubt, with the concepts he introduced a while ago. But, he's doing more than a little bit of wishful thinking these days.
He's become a bit of a nut case, with all of the injections, and pills, he takes every day.
Kurzweil, badgers, snakes, mushrooms, and very old mice. This thread has gone way over the deep end. And all over a store opening and another portable Intel Mac? Yikes.
Maybe Bono and crew will play a few songs on top of the cube while Woz zips around it with his Segway polo team. Then all we need are some dancing monkeys (mossberg and press) with cymbals crashing as the faithful pour into the depths of the store grabbing at macbooks and ipods.
If Apple is going to wait for, or arrange,events to release their products, then they become dependant upon them to do do, because their potential customers are forced to wait as well.
Because waiting for an appropriate Tuesday or Thursday is a particularly irksome delay? Given that any product release requires orchestration of manufacturing, shipping, etc the planning of an event shouldn't be the tall pole in the tent.
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I'm not saying that they should never release a product at an industry event. I'm saying that they shouldn't arrange their own little events, like the last two, which went off poorly. That's very different. And, of course, there is the dev conf, and the Jan Macworld. New products are expected then as well.
But, let's say that Apple has a newly upgraded iPod model. Shouldn't they release it as soon as it is ready? Yes!
And, do they really need a special press event to unveil it? No!
The little events don't appear to take much effort given the limited scale. The last was dissapointing but you don't think something like the MacBook deserves a little fanfare (aka event)?
You don't view it as more than just an upgraded iPod?
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Apple used to have four computer upgrade schedules during the year, when cpu's were still being speeded up on a regular basic, in the '90's, and through 2000.
Nerw machines were intro'd during Jan Macworld, the biggest one.
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But the April and Sept speed bumps would never get more than a press release. That's as it should be.
So you're saying that waiting for Jan/July MacWorld for new machine releases is better/faster than a launch event for the MacBook in May? Or perhaps the MacBook is a "speed bump" release?
How about the iPhone? Just a press release kinda launch?
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Things were much more restricted when Jobs was running Apple back when, and after he came back.
There's no evidence that these restrictions and press events have helped sales at all. In fact, After Jobs came back, sales plummeted. It's really only recently that things have gotten so much better, and it's the products that are responsible for that, not these press events. He did the same thing before sales went up.
Hmmm, yes the openess of the Spindler era was a model of success for Apple...
As for sales plummeting after Jobs came back, presumably you mean in 2000 with the cube. Certainly you are not referring to the fall of 1998 where the iMac was the best selling computer in the nation, Apple had managed a full year of proftiability, sales over prediction and stock at 52 week highs...
Not bad for a guy that had been "interim CEO" for a year unless you want to credit Amelio for that.
While the secrecy that Jobs prefers may not be the root cause of success it has been an element of his success. Part of that is coming out with products that are innovative (and risky) and perhaps do so requires more than a bit of showmanship to pull off.
Sometimes it works. Sometimes you end up with the Cube.
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You may want to think I'm saying both things, but I'm clearly not. What I've been saying, is that Apple should release them when ready, not before, and not after. That was pretty clear.
The examples you use are not clear. In any case, it can be argued that a product is "ready" for release when Jobs is willing to get up on a stage and keynote it.
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I hardly think many folks are going to decide that they will buy a PC because the Mac they want is in so much demand that the lead times are too high.
You're wrong about that too. People, and companies, especially companies, have failed to Buy Apple's products because they are are on a schedule, and Apple is well behind on delivery. Apple has even acknowledged that in the past. This was a major problem for them for a long time.
Mostly, people who buy machines are not "fans", who will put up with a lot. They walk into a store, and if what they want isn't there, they will buy something else. Once Apple loses a potential customer, it's difficult to get them back.
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So the root cause in the decline in corporate market share is because of poor release scheduling on the part of Apple in the Jobs era(s)? That may be a factor but a "major problem"?
I would think that a company in Redmond and one in Austin might have some minor factor in this decline.
In any case, few corporations decides to go through the trouble of switching platforms because of temporary channel/development delays or Microsoft would be a pale shadow of itself.
Care to provide a source for sales numbers to show the "majorness" of the problem? Versus say the dominance of Windows?
Or is this one of those "sales plummeted when Jobs returned" kind of statistic?
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Apple dumped a million computers into the ocean in 1996, after Spindler screwed up during the holiday buying season in 1995, and came out with older 68040 machines, when people wanted the new PPC models. That is what started Apple's major slide.
But, you can't point to a few screw-ups. They're meaningless. If more are produced, in the beginning, they will be sold through next month, while production is cut back a bit to accommodate it. If the product is a good one, it will sell well. If not, then production levels aren't at fault, the conception of the product is.
You can point to a few screw ups when the results are "major slide" and the CEO gets invited to leave. Granted it was merely a contributing factor and not a root cause but commiting to a large production run is more risk than a small production run.
When you are pursuing "innovation" you can always run into the factor that you produce something not quite ready for the market (*cough* Newton *cough*). A smaller launch production run is a risk mitigator even if it limits initial sales. The key is being able to ramp quickly if you have a winner on your hands.
Yes, the product that didn't sell is a "at fault"...that's a given. It is also a given that Apple will have some number of "Cubes" in its future. How many do you prefer to be buried at sea?
Also, would committing each Mac design to a large initial run make Apple designers more or less tentative?
Anyway, graphic design doesn't require scroll wheel or extra buttons in the same way as CAD programs do. I do keep my left hand on the keyboard, but sometimes you need the extra mouse buttons as well as the keyboard. Scroll wheel is more or less indispensible for me.
If you're a heavy duty 3-D (CAD) user then a $200 investment into a 6 DOF controller (like Space Traveller: http://www.3dconnexion.com/products/3a1.php ) would likely be worth more than any 1, 3, 5 button mouse. While it doesn't list Mac availability there seems to be support for it and the 10.4 bug seems resolved.
I know formZ has Mac support for Space Traveller. Dunno about ArchiCAD, VectorWorks, MacDraft, etc.
I guess I could just plug one in and see what the mac makes of it.
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Originally posted by sandau
4 years = 2010
5 years = 2011
uh, no way man. the world will be exponentially different than it is today. go read kurtzweil.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ray_kurtzweil
I'm using a computer that was made in 1998 and it still fits my needs pretty well. Granted, I've expanded the memory and it was a very high end computer at the time but it still holds its own.
I have listened to his interviews, I think on Science Friday. There are interesting ideas there, but for things like computers, every doubling of chip complexity doesn't necessarily net a doubling of compute power, and that compute power is progressively less efficiently used.
Originally posted by JeffDM
I'm using a computer that was made in 1998 and it still fits my needs pretty well.
I have listened to his interviews, I think on Science Friday. There are interesting ideas there, but for things like computers, every doubling of chip complexity doesn't necessarily net a doubling of compute power, and that compute power is progressively less efficiently used.
I definately agree with that. The last machine I had before this one, was an 8 or so year old 8600 with a 400mhz g3 upgrade card in, 256mb of RAM and 4 mb of VRAM, running mostly os 9, but a bit of 10.2.. We had to hack the box to make it run osX ;p
Originally posted by sandau
4 years = 2010
5 years = 2011
uh, no way man. the world will be exponentially different than it is today. go read kurtzweil.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ray_kurtzweil
Abobe and MS are on 2-3 year cycles on the release of major upgrades to their software(office, CS). You don't think today's intel MBP will be able to handle 2 upgrades? I think they'll be just fine. Upgrades on OSX have not obsoleted older macs. To the contrary many run faster.
Originally posted by sandau
4 years = 2010
5 years = 2011
uh, no way man. the world will be exponentially different than it is today. go read kurtzweil.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ray_kurtzweil
Exponentially different might be a bit of an overstatement.
If you're buying a machine to do word processing and web browsing, the likelihood is that you'll still be able to process words and browse webs in another 4 years. I can still surf with my Lime 333mhz G3 iMac if I choose to.
Originally posted by backtomac
Abobe and MS are on 2-3 year cycles on the release of major upgrades to their software(office, CS). You don't think today's intel MBP will be able to handle 2 upgrades? I think they'll be just fine. Upgrades on OSX have not obsoleted older macs. To the contrary many run faster.
backtomac I definately agree that a MBP would be a great investment but on my student loan income I simply do not have the necessary capital with which to invest ;p
Originally posted by netdog
It is highly unlikely that Leopard will be faster than Tiger. Expect lots of graphic overhead.
what facts do u base these statements on?
Originally posted by Archstudent
what facts do u base these statements on?
Almost every piece I have read on 10.5 anticipates enhanced graphical effects. It's just part of the current trend in interface design, like it or not. That means more overhead. Shouldn't you be in the studio working instead of barking at all of us?
Originally posted by netdog
Almost every piece I have read on 10.5 anticipates enhanced graphical effects. It's just part of the current trend in interface design, like it or not. That means more overhead. Shouldn't you be in the studio working instead of barking at all of us?
barking with typed text is a rare ability.. actually I am working, just type in forum whilst my computer thinks
anyway I wasn't intending to "bark" I was just wondering whether you were using educated guesswork or actually had a direct piece of information that related to this
Originally posted by netdog
Almost every piece I have read on 10.5 anticipates enhanced graphical effects. It's just part of the current trend in interface design, like it or not. That means more overhead.
Keep in mind that is all speculation. I would expect that if it really offloads graphics effects to the GPU, the speed difference should be negligible on any currenly selling system. I can't imagine Leopard's GPU demands to exceed that of what an X1600 (or even Intel's 950 IGP) can do, and even if it is more than what the older systems can do, the eyecandy would probably be bypassed if it works like the eyecandy motion on Tiger and previous versions of OS X.
Originally posted by inferno10
I can't help relate sunilraman's post to an addictive net fad...
Macbook Macbook Macbook Macbook Macbook Macbook Macbook Macbook Macbook Macbook Macbook Macbook
Mushroom. Mushroom.
Macbook Macbook Macbook Macbook Macbook Macbook Macbook Macbook Macbook Macbook Macbook
Mushroom, mushroom!
Macbook Macbook Macbook Macbook Macbook Macbook Macbook Macbook Macbook Macbook Macbook
Mushroom! Mushroom!
Macbook Macbook Macbook Macbook Macbook Macbook Macbook Macbook Macbook Macbook Macbook
Mushroom mushroom!
Macbook Macbook Macbook Macbook Macbook Macbook Macbook Macbook Macbook Macbook Macbook
Ahh! Snake, a snake! Snaaaake! Snaaaaaaake! Ohhhh, it's a snaaaake!
lol badger badger badger badger
Originally posted by sunilraman
Nope, these are my forum rules:
(I don't see any Browse or Attachments
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It shouldn't say "b". If you look at the rules page, it tells how to load an attachment. It says to find it in your machine using the "browse" button.
This is what it says in the FAQ:
"What Are Attachments?
The administrator may allow you to use the attachment feature of this board, which gives you the ability to attach files of certain types to your posts. This could be an image, a text document, a zip file etc. There will be a limit to the file size of any attachments you make, as the board should not be used as an extension of your hard disk!
To attach a file to a new post, simply click the [Browse] button at the bottom of the post composition page, and locate the file that you want to attach from your local hard drive.
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You can see why it's confusing.
Admittedly, I hadn't looked at the vB code. I just checked that out. I'll try it later.
Originally posted by netdog
Actually, I think it is a transparent glass cube.
It is. It's greenish. I've seen it at times as they were putting it up. Sometimes, the black cloth covering it had to be partly moved so that construction machinery could lift parts of the cube to their place, and, for some reason, couldn't be done from the inside, as apparently most of it is being done.
Originally posted by sandau
4 years = 2010
5 years = 2011
uh, no way man. the world will be exponentially different than it is today. go read kurtzweil.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ray_kurtzweil
I've got his books. He's a brilliant guy, no doubt, with the concepts he introduced a while ago. But, he's doing more than a little bit of wishful thinking these days.
He's become a bit of a nut case, with all of the injections, and pills, he takes every day.
Originally posted by sandau
4 years = 2010
5 years = 2011
uh, no way man. the world will be exponentially different than it is today. go read kurtzweil.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ray_kurtzweil
yeah, by 2011 cars will fly and microsoft will only be about a year away from shipping windows vista.
Originally posted by sandau
Maybe Bono and crew will play a few songs on top of the cube while Woz zips around it with his Segway polo team. Then all we need are some dancing monkeys (mossberg and press) with cymbals crashing as the faithful pour into the depths of the store grabbing at macbooks and ipods.
omg i have to be there.
Originally posted by melgross
If Apple is going to wait for, or arrange,events to release their products, then they become dependant upon them to do do, because their potential customers are forced to wait as well.
Because waiting for an appropriate Tuesday or Thursday is a particularly irksome delay? Given that any product release requires orchestration of manufacturing, shipping, etc the planning of an event shouldn't be the tall pole in the tent.
I'm not saying that they should never release a product at an industry event. I'm saying that they shouldn't arrange their own little events, like the last two, which went off poorly. That's very different. And, of course, there is the dev conf, and the Jan Macworld. New products are expected then as well.
But, let's say that Apple has a newly upgraded iPod model. Shouldn't they release it as soon as it is ready? Yes!
And, do they really need a special press event to unveil it? No!
The little events don't appear to take much effort given the limited scale. The last was dissapointing but you don't think something like the MacBook deserves a little fanfare (aka event)?
You don't view it as more than just an upgraded iPod?
Apple used to have four computer upgrade schedules during the year, when cpu's were still being speeded up on a regular basic, in the '90's, and through 2000.
Nerw machines were intro'd during Jan Macworld, the biggest one.
...
But the April and Sept speed bumps would never get more than a press release. That's as it should be.
So you're saying that waiting for Jan/July MacWorld for new machine releases is better/faster than a launch event for the MacBook in May? Or perhaps the MacBook is a "speed bump" release?
How about the iPhone? Just a press release kinda launch?
Things were much more restricted when Jobs was running Apple back when, and after he came back.
There's no evidence that these restrictions and press events have helped sales at all. In fact, After Jobs came back, sales plummeted. It's really only recently that things have gotten so much better, and it's the products that are responsible for that, not these press events. He did the same thing before sales went up.
Hmmm, yes the openess of the Spindler era was a model of success for Apple...
As for sales plummeting after Jobs came back, presumably you mean in 2000 with the cube. Certainly you are not referring to the fall of 1998 where the iMac was the best selling computer in the nation, Apple had managed a full year of proftiability, sales over prediction and stock at 52 week highs...
Not bad for a guy that had been "interim CEO" for a year unless you want to credit Amelio for that.
While the secrecy that Jobs prefers may not be the root cause of success it has been an element of his success. Part of that is coming out with products that are innovative (and risky) and perhaps do so requires more than a bit of showmanship to pull off.
Sometimes it works. Sometimes you end up with the Cube.
You may want to think I'm saying both things, but I'm clearly not. What I've been saying, is that Apple should release them when ready, not before, and not after. That was pretty clear.
The examples you use are not clear. In any case, it can be argued that a product is "ready" for release when Jobs is willing to get up on a stage and keynote it.
I hardly think many folks are going to decide that they will buy a PC because the Mac they want is in so much demand that the lead times are too high.
You're wrong about that too. People, and companies, especially companies, have failed to Buy Apple's products because they are are on a schedule, and Apple is well behind on delivery. Apple has even acknowledged that in the past. This was a major problem for them for a long time.
Mostly, people who buy machines are not "fans", who will put up with a lot. They walk into a store, and if what they want isn't there, they will buy something else. Once Apple loses a potential customer, it's difficult to get them back.
[/quote]
So the root cause in the decline in corporate market share is because of poor release scheduling on the part of Apple in the Jobs era(s)? That may be a factor but a "major problem"?
I would think that a company in Redmond and one in Austin might have some minor factor in this decline.
In any case, few corporations decides to go through the trouble of switching platforms because of temporary channel/development delays or Microsoft would be a pale shadow of itself.
Care to provide a source for sales numbers to show the "majorness" of the problem? Versus say the dominance of Windows?
Or is this one of those "sales plummeted when Jobs returned" kind of statistic?
Apple dumped a million computers into the ocean in 1996, after Spindler screwed up during the holiday buying season in 1995, and came out with older 68040 machines, when people wanted the new PPC models. That is what started Apple's major slide.
But, you can't point to a few screw-ups. They're meaningless. If more are produced, in the beginning, they will be sold through next month, while production is cut back a bit to accommodate it. If the product is a good one, it will sell well. If not, then production levels aren't at fault, the conception of the product is.
You can point to a few screw ups when the results are "major slide" and the CEO gets invited to leave. Granted it was merely a contributing factor and not a root cause but commiting to a large production run is more risk than a small production run.
When you are pursuing "innovation" you can always run into the factor that you produce something not quite ready for the market (*cough* Newton *cough*). A smaller launch production run is a risk mitigator even if it limits initial sales. The key is being able to ramp quickly if you have a winner on your hands.
Yes, the product that didn't sell is a "at fault"...that's a given. It is also a given that Apple will have some number of "Cubes" in its future. How many do you prefer to be buried at sea?
Also, would committing each Mac design to a large initial run make Apple designers more or less tentative?
Vinea
Originally posted by Archstudent
Anyway, graphic design doesn't require scroll wheel or extra buttons in the same way as CAD programs do. I do keep my left hand on the keyboard, but sometimes you need the extra mouse buttons as well as the keyboard. Scroll wheel is more or less indispensible for me.
If you're a heavy duty 3-D (CAD) user then a $200 investment into a 6 DOF controller (like Space Traveller: http://www.3dconnexion.com/products/3a1.php ) would likely be worth more than any 1, 3, 5 button mouse. While it doesn't list Mac availability there seems to be support for it and the 10.4 bug seems resolved.
I know formZ has Mac support for Space Traveller. Dunno about ArchiCAD, VectorWorks, MacDraft, etc.
I guess I could just plug one in and see what the mac makes of it.
Vinea