And Windows XP Remote Assistance is a poor reduced capability ripoff of Timbuktu, which debuted on the Mac ages ago.
The idea of videoconferencing and over the network presentations (WebEx, etc) are not new. But Apple has lowered the price of entry to just the OS and free app, and made it easy to use for the average person by putting it into iChat. You wouldn't believe how many problems you can have signing a few people up for a WebEx presentation.
Windows XP Remote Desktop Connection is a limited version of Terminal Services. Will Apple ever do Terminal Services in OS X to allow Citrix-type server-to-client capabilities???
For those of you who haven't seen the keynote, go watch it.
It is pretty easy to see what could be coming down the road to iTunes after viewing the presentation about Core Animation.
Time Machine is nothing like Windows Restore.
Apple gave just enough excitement today to get your imagination going. And just enough to make those with Vista on their minds to wonder just what awaits.
It is pretty clear that Apple is not showing their hand on the final look and feel. They are just teasing the people they need to tease.
XCode 3 was announced by Jobs at the very end of the keynote.
And I expect that the Spring release is something they have well in hand and will probably be on the front of that timeline. At least, that has been their MO lately.
At the end Steve talks about the next generation of Front Row, Photoboth, Mail, iCal, Dashboard, and iChat. He says explicitly that he did not show us everything they are doing.
He didn't show anything about Front Row or Photoboth and very little about iCal.
They showed new tools for Dashboard but did not show much new about the Dashboard interface. Obviously at this point it is logical for widgets to come out onto the desktop. But Steve showed none of that.
Which clearly means there is a lot more coming in the future.
Melgross don't fret over the lack of discussion reguarding resolution independence. I don't believe that showed up in Steve's WWDC keynote last time around. That was in the Graphics and Media State of the Union presentation. It will be those more focused workshops where the under the hood enhancements are discussed.
I wasn't actually the one who brought that up. But I agreed with the poster who did bring it up.
Quote:
I for one am very eager to learn more about Objective-C 2. Here's what the blurb on Apple.com had to say:
I'm anxious to see how they managed garbage collection, and what syntax changes they made. Objective-C is a great language, but it was starting to show its age. Glad to see them sprucing it up.
Where does it say that Xcode 3.0 is getting released today? I've been listening and reading, but not hearing or seeing it.
Oddly, Xcode 2.4 is shown for download on the ADC Xcode page but I don't see it on the downloads page in the Member Site. Will 2.4 be a stop gap and we'll have to buy Leopard to get the 3.0 features? As with Kickaha, I am really looking forward to it, so the sooner the better.
Time Machine looks amazing. How easy to use and intuitive does that look? I would imagine it's detecting the changes, as Backup currently does. So a big first copy, then lots of incremental ones, detailing changes. Of course if that is how it's done, it just makes searching through the individual system states even more incredible.
The rest of the stuff looked cool. I'm glad they're putting effort into Accessibility, it's okay for folks without disabilities to sit there and say it's fine for me or whatever, but everyone should be able to use computers. Spaces looked okay, I've used virtual desktops before, the key now is clicking an app in the dock takes you to the screen with that app in.
Lets face it, Apple has been very under promising lately and significantly over delivering on their promise:
Tiger to ship by 2h 2005 (IIRC), launched end of April, 2 months ahead.
Ship Intel macs by WWDC 2006, ~6 months ahead.
Move to Intel by end of 2007 was the first quote WWDC 2005, 16 months ahead.
The features list will grow. There are killer apps. This is the release that will compete directly with Windows. No smoke, no mirrors, no different platforms to hide behind. It's Windows vs. Mac OS X. Vista vs. Leopard.
Tiger launched early because, after Apple and Intel made their deal, Apple didn't want to besmirch the Dev conf with Tiger. They wanted the entire focus on the Intel relationship. They launched Tiger two months earlier than it was thought to be launched to give it plenty of time out there.
My friends inside Apple said that it was surprising that it launched when it did. considering that almost no one inside Apple knew of the Intel deal, that is not surprising.
I wasn't surprised that Apple moved the launch times of the machines up. That really was to be expected. Apple was dealing with a customer base that would drop their purchases if they knew that the machines would be HERE. So a bit of deception was needed. If they thought they had a year, they would continue to buy machines. The holiday sales proved that idea to be sound. Then, drop the shoe, and have an immediate announcement of availability of some popular models. The ones for the most fickle part of the customer base.
By that time everyone suspected that Apple would rush the rest, and so they did.
It was an obvious, and good, business strategy.
But you can't assume that it will follow for Leopard, though I suspect that it might be out somewhat before Spring.
At this point in time, who cares? There are enough virtual, and MS environments of one sort or another, for the Mac out, or shortly will be. Those, plus Boot Camp, will cover the field.
consistant look and feel $50, although it should have been kept consistant all along
the ability to turn off spotlight and dashboard for older macs: $0 It should have been a DB/Spotlight feature in Tiger
and the 800LB Gorilla that Apple is ignoring
FIX THE F(antastic) FINDER!!!!
If done right (cleaner UI, better speed, better handling of nfs/smb shares and better FTP), $50
And the new multi-desktop thing is really cool, lets say $10 shareware price...
iChat (sans the keying which is really slick) is doing now what I did with netmeeting in Windows 98...so that has a whopping value of $0 Freeware...but I will be generous and add $20 for keying.
The finder is PERFECT. Otherwise they would have fixed it YEARS ago.\
I find it odd that you guys are debating based on very little knowledge of the "nuts and bolts" of Leopard and UI that hasn't been announced yet. Seems like a waste of time.
OS updates are also about changing the plumbing to enable better functionality of the apps using said plumbing.
I'm pretty damn interested in what Apple's NOT telling the public about. I find it interesting that they are saying little about
Quart Extreme and 2D enhancements
Updates to Core API
No finder updates
Nothing on Automator
Nothing on Applescript
etc
Apple has much more to divulge but for now they are just whetting the appetite a bit. It's up to Mac users to read between the lines a bit more. Some of you have grown so dependent on Thinksecret and AI to provide you info about what's coming you haven't built up skills of your own.
Leopard is going to be a nice OS just as Tiger was. The pieces are falling into place we just have to be patient.
We all find it odd that they did not comment on those items, as well as others we brought up earlier.
I don't remember Apple doing this before. They didn't do it when XP was in final stages of development, why now? It's not very likely, despite what some might think, that MS will start to rewrite their code to add Apple's features. For the next major update to their OS, possibly. But that;'s a good two years away, and by then, we will will be seeing 10.6 at the dev conf anyway.
Is it just me or is the finder getting a little too cluttered with organizational tools. Between Spaces, exposé, and spotlight I never know what I should be using anymore
Is it just me or is the finder getting a little too cluttered with organizational tools. Between Spaces, exposé, and spotlight I never know what I should be using anymore
Fortunately, it's not the finder that's getting cluttered, it's the keyboard. Well, I always thought that someday, we'd have a real use for them.
Check out the cursor left in the CoreAnimation video... it appears after the first few seconds.
I believe the cursor is there because this was more like a screen-capture than a video. In the Keynote the guy was talking about how this was not a movie, but was being produced.
Other thoughts after reading all the other comments:
Some people are acting like this Virtual Desktops is a great idea that hadn't existed for OS X yet. Actually there are a couple of 3rd party solutions (You Control Desktops, Virtue Desktops), but they all have their flaws. I was waiting for Apple to implement virtual desktops because I knew they would do it right, and from the short preview it looks like they might've (the one feature they didn't mention which I really hope they implemented is individual backgrounds). I'm super excited about Spaces :-)
I'm also very excited about that web-capture-dashboard-thingy. I wish I could have it right now, there are a couple of widgets I already want to make with it!
On another note, it looks like most of us agree that there IS plenty more to come for Leopard (the "top secret" stuff). Apple has always been super secretive, so this comes as no surprise. And also, to those of you who disagree, did you so quickly forget how suddenly and out-of-the-blue Apple dropped the Intel transition on us? I have no doubt in my mind that they have some really great stuff up their sleeves yet again (maybe not quite so major, but probably still exciting).
I am really surprised at the number of people who are disappointed with this sneak peak of Leopard. The Keynote was clearly just skimming the surface of this next iteration of OS X. I think maybe the huge rumor-mill base that surrounds OS X is getting people's expectations too high...
I believe the cursor is there because this was more like a screen-capture than a video. In the Keynote the guy was talking about how this was not a movie, but was being produced.
Other thoughts after reading all the other comments:
Some people are acting like this Virtual Desktops is a great idea that hadn't existed for OS X yet. Actually there are a couple of 3rd party solutions (You Control Desktops, Virtue Desktops), but they all have their flaws. I was waiting for Apple to implement virtual desktops because I knew they would do it right, and from the short preview it looks like they might've (the one feature they didn't mention which I really hope they implemented is individual backgrounds). I'm super excited about Spaces :-)
I'm also very excited about that web-capture-dashboard-thingy. I wish I could have it right now, there are a couple of widgets I already want to make with it!
On another note, it looks like most of us agree that there IS plenty more to come for Leopard (the "top secret" stuff). Apple has always been super secretive, so this comes as no surprise. And also, to those of you who disagree, did you so quickly forget how suddenly and out-of-the-blue Apple dropped the Intel transition on us? I have no doubt in my mind that they have some really great stuff up their sleeves yet again (maybe not quite so major, but probably still exciting).
I am really surprised at the number of people who are disappointed with this sneak peak of Leopard. The Keynote was clearly just skimming the surface of this next iteration of OS X. I think maybe the huge rumor-mill base that surrounds OS X is getting people's expectations too high...
My 2 cents.
The Intel transition was just ever so slightly more important to the company than Leopard is. If the secret of the transition got out, Apple could have lost a billion sales dollars before they ever said a word about it.
I was impressed by the keynote and the MacPros. Those look like great specs, and Ill be picking a couple up soon.
Spaces looks great. I never thought Apple would release virt. desktops in OSX. After the YEARS of debate about this feature--specifically the end-user's ability to understand it--Apple seem to have pulled it off. Good job.
I was excited by the possibilities of Core Animation. If these 3D effects are being applied in real time, then it seems like a big step toward a 3D OS environment. Did any of you pick up on this during the 'iTunes' commercial demo? The app was showing album details in real-time...and in a composited 3D environment. Just imagine how else this could be applied. If data are streamed, then many possibilities are presented. Very cool.
Overall, it was a great keynote. I can't wait for Leopard.
Comments
And Windows XP Remote Assistance is a poor reduced capability ripoff of Timbuktu, which debuted on the Mac ages ago.
The idea of videoconferencing and over the network presentations (WebEx, etc) are not new. But Apple has lowered the price of entry to just the OS and free app, and made it easy to use for the average person by putting it into iChat. You wouldn't believe how many problems you can have signing a few people up for a WebEx presentation.
Windows XP Remote Desktop Connection is a limited version of Terminal Services. Will Apple ever do Terminal Services in OS X to allow Citrix-type server-to-client capabilities???
It is pretty easy to see what could be coming down the road to iTunes after viewing the presentation about Core Animation.
Time Machine is nothing like Windows Restore.
Apple gave just enough excitement today to get your imagination going. And just enough to make those with Vista on their minds to wonder just what awaits.
It is pretty clear that Apple is not showing their hand on the final look and feel. They are just teasing the people they need to tease.
XCode 3 was announced by Jobs at the very end of the keynote.
And I expect that the Spring release is something they have well in hand and will probably be on the front of that timeline. At least, that has been their MO lately.
Mark2005 thank you for that post. Gene Clean....buddy you got owned. Next time try and be original and think up some stuff on your own.
He didn't show anything about Front Row or Photoboth and very little about iCal.
They showed new tools for Dashboard but did not show much new about the Dashboard interface. Obviously at this point it is logical for widgets to come out onto the desktop. But Steve showed none of that.
Which clearly means there is a lot more coming in the future.
But that's not by Apple.
Are you sure? I was told that it was.
Melgross don't fret over the lack of discussion reguarding resolution independence. I don't believe that showed up in Steve's WWDC keynote last time around. That was in the Graphics and Media State of the Union presentation. It will be those more focused workshops where the under the hood enhancements are discussed.
I wasn't actually the one who brought that up. But I agreed with the poster who did bring it up.
I for one am very eager to learn more about Objective-C 2. Here's what the blurb on Apple.com had to say:
I'm anxious to see how they managed garbage collection, and what syntax changes they made. Objective-C is a great language, but it was starting to show its age. Glad to see them sprucing it up.
Where does it say that Xcode 3.0 is getting released today? I've been listening and reading, but not hearing or seeing it.
Oddly, Xcode 2.4 is shown for download on the ADC Xcode page but I don't see it on the downloads page in the Member Site. Will 2.4 be a stop gap and we'll have to buy Leopard to get the 3.0 features? As with Kickaha, I am really looking forward to it, so the sooner the better.
Time Machine looks amazing. How easy to use and intuitive does that look? I would imagine it's detecting the changes, as Backup currently does. So a big first copy, then lots of incremental ones, detailing changes. Of course if that is how it's done, it just makes searching through the individual system states even more incredible.
The rest of the stuff looked cool. I'm glad they're putting effort into Accessibility, it's okay for folks without disabilities to sit there and say it's fine for me or whatever, but everyone should be able to use computers. Spaces looked okay, I've used virtual desktops before, the key now is clicking an app in the dock takes you to the screen with that app in.
Lets face it, Apple has been very under promising lately and significantly over delivering on their promise:
- Tiger to ship by 2h 2005 (IIRC), launched end of April, 2 months ahead.
- Ship Intel macs by WWDC 2006, ~6 months ahead.
- Move to Intel by end of 2007 was the first quote WWDC 2005, 16 months ahead.
The features list will grow. There are killer apps. This is the release that will compete directly with Windows. No smoke, no mirrors, no different platforms to hide behind. It's Windows vs. Mac OS X. Vista vs. Leopard.Tiger launched early because, after Apple and Intel made their deal, Apple didn't want to besmirch the Dev conf with Tiger. They wanted the entire focus on the Intel relationship. They launched Tiger two months earlier than it was thought to be launched to give it plenty of time out there.
My friends inside Apple said that it was surprising that it launched when it did. considering that almost no one inside Apple knew of the Intel deal, that is not surprising.
I wasn't surprised that Apple moved the launch times of the machines up. That really was to be expected. Apple was dealing with a customer base that would drop their purchases if they knew that the machines would be HERE. So a bit of deception was needed. If they thought they had a year, they would continue to buy machines. The holiday sales proved that idea to be sound. Then, drop the shoe, and have an immediate announcement of availability of some popular models. The ones for the most fickle part of the customer base.
By that time everyone suspected that Apple would rush the rest, and so they did.
It was an obvious, and good, business strategy.
But you can't assume that it will follow for Leopard, though I suspect that it might be out somewhat before Spring.
Microsoft kills Virtual PC for the Mac.
http://www.macworld.com/news/2006/08/07/vpc/index.php
At this point in time, who cares? There are enough virtual, and MS environments of one sort or another, for the Mac out, or shortly will be. Those, plus Boot Camp, will cover the field.
consistant look and feel $50, although it should have been kept consistant all along
the ability to turn off spotlight and dashboard for older macs: $0 It should have been a DB/Spotlight feature in Tiger
and the 800LB Gorilla that Apple is ignoring
FIX THE F(antastic) FINDER!!!!
If done right (cleaner UI, better speed, better handling of nfs/smb shares and better FTP), $50
And the new multi-desktop thing is really cool, lets say $10 shareware price...
iChat (sans the keying which is really slick) is doing now what I did with netmeeting in Windows 98...so that has a whopping value of $0 Freeware...but I will be generous and add $20 for keying.
The finder is PERFECT. Otherwise they would have fixed it YEARS ago.
I find it odd that you guys are debating based on very little knowledge of the "nuts and bolts" of Leopard and UI that hasn't been announced yet. Seems like a waste of time.
OS updates are also about changing the plumbing to enable better functionality of the apps using said plumbing.
I'm pretty damn interested in what Apple's NOT telling the public about. I find it interesting that they are saying little about
Quart Extreme and 2D enhancements
Updates to Core API
No finder updates
Nothing on Automator
Nothing on Applescript
etc
Apple has much more to divulge but for now they are just whetting the appetite a bit. It's up to Mac users to read between the lines a bit more. Some of you have grown so dependent on Thinksecret and AI to provide you info about what's coming you haven't built up skills of your own.
Leopard is going to be a nice OS just as Tiger was. The pieces are falling into place we just have to be patient.
We all find it odd that they did not comment on those items, as well as others we brought up earlier.
I don't remember Apple doing this before. They didn't do it when XP was in final stages of development, why now? It's not very likely, despite what some might think, that MS will start to rewrite their code to add Apple's features. For the next major update to their OS, possibly. But that;'s a good two years away, and by then, we will will be seeing 10.6 at the dev conf anyway.
I wonder if Spotlight will be able to use Time Machine.
That's an interesting question.
Why don't they skip hop and jump to the chase and just provide built-in big-people versioning?
Ok, I'll bite. what are you talking about?
Is it just me or is the finder getting a little too cluttered with organizational tools. Between Spaces, exposé, and spotlight I never know what I should be using anymore
Fortunately, it's not the finder that's getting cluttered, it's the keyboard. Well, I always thought that someday, we'd have a real use for them.
Check out the cursor left in the CoreAnimation video... it appears after the first few seconds.
I believe the cursor is there because this was more like a screen-capture than a video. In the Keynote the guy was talking about how this was not a movie, but was being produced.
Other thoughts after reading all the other comments:
Some people are acting like this Virtual Desktops is a great idea that hadn't existed for OS X yet. Actually there are a couple of 3rd party solutions (You Control Desktops, Virtue Desktops), but they all have their flaws. I was waiting for Apple to implement virtual desktops because I knew they would do it right, and from the short preview it looks like they might've (the one feature they didn't mention which I really hope they implemented is individual backgrounds). I'm super excited about Spaces :-)
I'm also very excited about that web-capture-dashboard-thingy. I wish I could have it right now, there are a couple of widgets I already want to make with it!
On another note, it looks like most of us agree that there IS plenty more to come for Leopard (the "top secret" stuff). Apple has always been super secretive, so this comes as no surprise. And also, to those of you who disagree, did you so quickly forget how suddenly and out-of-the-blue Apple dropped the Intel transition on us? I have no doubt in my mind that they have some really great stuff up their sleeves yet again (maybe not quite so major, but probably still exciting).
I am really surprised at the number of people who are disappointed with this sneak peak of Leopard. The Keynote was clearly just skimming the surface of this next iteration of OS X. I think maybe the huge rumor-mill base that surrounds OS X is getting people's expectations too high...
My 2 cents.
I believe the cursor is there because this was more like a screen-capture than a video. In the Keynote the guy was talking about how this was not a movie, but was being produced.
Other thoughts after reading all the other comments:
Some people are acting like this Virtual Desktops is a great idea that hadn't existed for OS X yet. Actually there are a couple of 3rd party solutions (You Control Desktops, Virtue Desktops), but they all have their flaws. I was waiting for Apple to implement virtual desktops because I knew they would do it right, and from the short preview it looks like they might've (the one feature they didn't mention which I really hope they implemented is individual backgrounds). I'm super excited about Spaces :-)
I'm also very excited about that web-capture-dashboard-thingy. I wish I could have it right now, there are a couple of widgets I already want to make with it!
On another note, it looks like most of us agree that there IS plenty more to come for Leopard (the "top secret" stuff). Apple has always been super secretive, so this comes as no surprise. And also, to those of you who disagree, did you so quickly forget how suddenly and out-of-the-blue Apple dropped the Intel transition on us? I have no doubt in my mind that they have some really great stuff up their sleeves yet again (maybe not quite so major, but probably still exciting).
I am really surprised at the number of people who are disappointed with this sneak peak of Leopard. The Keynote was clearly just skimming the surface of this next iteration of OS X. I think maybe the huge rumor-mill base that surrounds OS X is getting people's expectations too high...
My 2 cents.
The Intel transition was just ever so slightly more important to the company than Leopard is. If the secret of the transition got out, Apple could have lost a billion sales dollars before they ever said a word about it.
Spaces looks great. I never thought Apple would release virt. desktops in OSX. After the YEARS of debate about this feature--specifically the end-user's ability to understand it--Apple seem to have pulled it off. Good job.
I was excited by the possibilities of Core Animation. If these 3D effects are being applied in real time, then it seems like a big step toward a 3D OS environment. Did any of you pick up on this during the 'iTunes' commercial demo? The app was showing album details in real-time...and in a composited 3D environment. Just imagine how else this could be applied. If data are streamed, then many possibilities are presented. Very cool.
Overall, it was a great keynote. I can't wait for Leopard.
I was impressed by the keynote and the MacPros. Those look like great specs, and Ill be picking a couple up soon.
Overall, it was a great keynote. I can't wait for Leopard.
Yes, you can