I certainly didn't say that BD50 discs were not "ever" coming. I did not think they'd have them in quantity for 2006. They've outdone my expectations there.
I know, you just stated they were a pipe dream for 2006.
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Blu-ray "is" more expensive when you move to BD50. There are currently no places that I know of that will replicate BD50 for you. Thus you, Marzetta7, have not a clue as to what the true cost of them is. We know the HD30 is only a few pennies more than SL BD25. I dont' have my hopes up that we'll see affordable BD50 production for mere mortals until well into 2007.
I've never claimed I had "clue as to what the true cost of them is." Frankly, I can care less. When I speak of cost, I speak of the cost to the consumer, and for some reason you are stuck on the cost to the manufacturer. You claimed earlier in the year that due to the extra cost to the manufacturers for BD discs, that would correlate to more expensive Blu-ray discs. That's all I'm referring to here, that this is not the case as Blu-ray discs have the same or lower cost to the consumer.
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Neither format has MMC right now ...jury's still out.
Indeed, but it is in the works for both. Earlier in the year, you were being your FUDtastic self claiming it wouln't be a feature on Blu-ray. Again, eventhough the jury is correctly still out, it will be a feature eventually.
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Studio defections, if they happen, will come next year I've been clear on that. Jury's out.
Jury's out according to you. IMO, you've been waiting for that jury for over a year now. You'll have some other years to add I'm afraid. Keep wishing.
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LG and Samsung both announced plans to work on Universal players only to recant. Coincidence or pressure? You decide.
Or market awareness and lack of HD DVD support? You decide.
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Here's what YOU told us.
"The 4th brings the shock and awe"
Well 4th qtr is almost bye bye...the PS3 has been delivered and Blu-ray is still behind. I'd say you have more road to go to improve your accuracy than I do.
Behind? According to whom? Amazon? Bwahahahahahaa! You maka me laugh. With roughly 1 million consoles sold, and Blu-ray penetration beating HD DVD penetration almost 10 to 1, I'd say shock and awe is just beginning with the fiscal 4th quarter for most BDA companies ending on March 31st BTW. Also, we still need to learn how well standalone players from the likes of Panasonic, Philips, Samsung, and Sony have sold. I understand that the Sony standalone sells out in most places upon being shipped. Sounds like another Sony product...the PS3. So, Blu-ray behind?...I think the jury is definitely still out on that one.
What does PS3 being outsold by the Wii have to do with anything? The Wii is less than half the price, does it shock anyone that it is outselling the PS3?
What does PS3 being outsold by the Wii have to do with anything? The Wii is less than half the price, does it shock anyone that it is outselling the PS3?
The Xbox 360 is also outselling the PS3. The point is the PS3 sales are already beginning to level out so I don't really expect for there to be a huge influx of hungry movie fans.
What's going to give Blu-ray a boost is some better titles coming from exclusive studios.
What I think doesn't matter as clearly they support both.
Wow, talk about selective facts. Whenever it suits you, you like to tout how HD DVD has soooo many more titles. But point out that Netflix has more Blu-ray titles available for rental at this moment despite HD DVD's head start, and suddenly it doesn't matter.
Wow, talk about selective facts. Whenever it suits you, you like to tout how HD DVD has soooo many more titles. But point out that Netflix has more Blu-ray titles available for rental at this moment despite HD DVD's head start, and suddenly it doesn't matter.
No I give Blu-ray props for getting so many titles out. They have a studio advantage but studios are pretty slow to support new formats sometimes.
I decided to give up on waiting for a clear winner and just bought myself a Toshiba HD-A2 and a couple of HD DVD movies to try it out with it.
I'm quite impressed so far, and it seems to do a good job with playback of standard DVD over HDMI as well. I'm eager for my new Yamaha RX-V2700 receiver to show up so I can do my HDMI switching through my receiver instead of through my TV.
I really have no clue how the format war is going to turn out, but my gut feeling is that HD DVD's early lead in disc sales and players (not counting PS3s) is going to convince more movie studios to give up Blu-Ray exclusivity -- except, of course, Sony Pictures. I also like HD DVD's greater inherent durability -- being able to shrug off small scratches rather than relying on a special protective coating, which, if breached, means definite loss of data.
If nothing else, I'm hoping HD DVD's foothold is strong enough to help encourage the production of universal HD players -- I expect to replace the HD-A2 someday anyway, I just don't want to have to replace my disc library, whatever size it may have grown to. I'd have happily plunked down twice as much money for a good universal HD player if one had been available.
I was just offered a job, so I might be jumping in the race sooner than I had expected. But the question is with what?
I have a 56" 1080i RPTV from JVC (3 and a half years old or so). We have an xbox 360. I am planning on this point going HD-DVD. Should I go with the 360 addon, or the dedicated A2? I don't mind spending a bit more for a dedicated unit (plus I think there is a free movie offer with the A2, if I remember reading that here correctly). I think I am leaning towards the dedicated unit, as the 360 isn't mine (it's a roommates), and he is moving out in 6 months. But if I got a 360 addon now, I could buy a dedicated unit in 6 months and move the 360 addon to my computer. Maybe there will be a universal player at that point, or at least things will be a bit more clear on this format war.
Any suggestions? Or better yet, any reviews between the two? I am wondering if the PQ for the xbox addon is good. And does it do 1080i, or only 720p (not a huge deal, as my TV would upconvert the 720p signal to 1080i).
A note however, AACS wasn't really cracked. The author wrote a decrypting tool, but you need the disk "keys" (supposedly PowerDVD stores them in memory, and they can be obtained this way). The author is to be releasing a newer version after the new year that will be better still. And supposedly keys are leaking out onto the internet, you just need to populate your "key file".
And its java, and appears to run under OS X. If I had a HD-DVD drive, and some keys I'd give it a whirl.
I was just offered a job, so I might be jumping in the race sooner than I had expected. But the question is with what?
I have a 56" 1080i RPTV from JVC (3 and a half years old or so). We have an xbox 360. I am planning on this point going HD-DVD. Should I go with the 360 addon, or the dedicated A2? I don't mind spending a bit more for a dedicated unit (plus I think there is a free movie offer with the A2, if I remember reading that here correctly). I think I am leaning towards the dedicated unit, as the 360 isn't mine (it's a roommates), and he is moving out in 6 months. But if I got a 360 addon now, I could buy a dedicated unit in 6 months and move the 360 addon to my computer. Maybe there will be a universal player at that point, or at least things will be a bit more clear on this format war.
Any suggestions? Or better yet, any reviews between the two? I am wondering if the PQ for the xbox addon is good. And does it do 1080i, or only 720p (not a huge deal, as my TV would upconvert the 720p signal to 1080i).
Xbox add on.
The only thing you give up is the TrueHD support which isn't on every disc and upscaling DVDs. I was thinking the same thing since the add on is easy to get working on a computer you're still not out anything and 6 months from now there are likely to be a few more options for you hardware wise.
The only thing you give up is the TrueHD support which isn't on every disc and upscaling DVDs. I was thinking the same thing since the add on is easy to get working on a computer you're still not out anything and 6 months from now there are likely to be a few more options for you hardware wise.
Sounds good. I just have a (good) stereo setup (2.1), so surround isn't a big deal for me.
Who here has actually bought into one HD format or the other? My vague feeling from occasionally skimming the older 2006 thread is that there are more Blu-Ray cheerleaders than HD DVD cheerleaders, but also more HD DVD buyers than Blu-Ray buyers.
Who here has actually bought into one HD format or the other? My vague feeling from occasionally skimming the older 2006 thread is that there are more Blu-Ray cheerleaders than HD DVD cheerleaders, but also more HD DVD buyers than Blu-Ray buyers.
I'll be getting a PS3, but I'm not really concerned with what the particular winning format will be.
I'm interested in Blu-Ray because I think it's a better format, but it's not SO MUCH better a format that I'd be, you know, hurt if HD-DVD won.
I'm still holding out for downloaded media to get to HD quality in a few years. I'm probably gonna skip out this generation of players.
Who here has actually bought into one HD format or the other? My vague feeling from occasionally skimming the older 2006 thread is that there are more Blu-Ray cheerleaders than HD DVD cheerleaders, but also more HD DVD buyers than Blu-Ray buyers.
I'm guilty of cheerleading. I'm really thinking about running to a couple of CC and seeing if I can grab the Xbox HD DVD for $160 this weekend. I'll have to see. I've got 15 movies waiting for the hardware.
Shetline ..excellent choice on the RX-V2700. Yamaha and Onkyo are my favorites for AV Receivers are you going to get the YDS-10 iPod Dock?
I'm still holding out for downloaded media to get to HD quality in a few years. I'm probably gonna skip out this generation of players.
There's no way I'd want to wait that long -- I don't think downloading is going to be a major means of HD movie distribution any time really soon.
I can, however, easily believe that HD DVD and Blu-Ray are the last hurrah for physical media -- not to say it won't be a significant hurrah. I think we've got a good 10-15 years to go before (1) there's a network infrastructure good enough to distribute one or more random-access 25-30 mbps data streams to a large number of households simultaneously, and before (2) most people are convinced that owning your own copy of a movie isn't an important or desirable thing. Network-based distribution without physical media will probably be could enough to satisfy a subset of users before that 10-15 years passes, but I still think it'll take that long to substantially replace physical media.
I'll be getting a PS3, but I'm not really concerned with what the particular winning format will be.
I'm interested in Blu-Ray because I think it's a better format, but it's not SO MUCH better a format that I'd be, you know, hurt if HD-DVD won.
I'm still holding out for downloaded media to get to HD quality in a few years. I'm probably gonna skip out this generation of players.
You just said you're getting a PS3. You're already "in" by then. Netlix will be your buddy if you want to rent movies. Both platforms will eventually be hybrid devices meaning you'll have the physical carrier but they will be network enabled to download new content.
Who here has actually bought into one HD format or the other? My vague feeling from occasionally skimming the older 2006 thread is that there are more Blu-Ray cheerleaders than HD DVD cheerleaders, but also more HD DVD buyers than Blu-Ray buyers.
I had the same question as I had the feeling that many of the most enthusiastic posters were all talk and hadn't put their money where their mouth was. So I started this thread:
One of things that appalls me is the less than thrilling list of titles available. No matter how good it looks and sounds, a bad movie is still going to be bad.
One of things that appalls me is the less than thrilling list of titles available. No matter how good it looks and sounds, a bad movie is still going to be bad.
That's true for a long time for any new format. Not having a format war would sure help some, but even then, it would take a while for things to get going. You can always figure that behind the scenes, especially when it comes to the hottest titles, someone somewhere is angling for a sweeter deal and making all sorts of demands in order to agree to allow said titles to be released on a new format.
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I certainly didn't say that BD50 discs were not "ever" coming. I did not think they'd have them in quantity for 2006. They've outdone my expectations there.
I know, you just stated they were a pipe dream for 2006.
Blu-ray "is" more expensive when you move to BD50. There are currently no places that I know of that will replicate BD50 for you. Thus you, Marzetta7, have not a clue as to what the true cost of them is. We know the HD30 is only a few pennies more than SL BD25. I dont' have my hopes up that we'll see affordable BD50 production for mere mortals until well into 2007.
I've never claimed I had "clue as to what the true cost of them is." Frankly, I can care less. When I speak of cost, I speak of the cost to the consumer, and for some reason you are stuck on the cost to the manufacturer. You claimed earlier in the year that due to the extra cost to the manufacturers for BD discs, that would correlate to more expensive Blu-ray discs. That's all I'm referring to here, that this is not the case as Blu-ray discs have the same or lower cost to the consumer.
Neither format has MMC right now ...jury's still out.
Indeed, but it is in the works for both. Earlier in the year, you were being your FUDtastic self claiming it wouln't be a feature on Blu-ray. Again, eventhough the jury is correctly still out, it will be a feature eventually.
Studio defections, if they happen, will come next year I've been clear on that. Jury's out.
Jury's out according to you. IMO, you've been waiting for that jury for over a year now. You'll have some other years to add I'm afraid. Keep wishing.
LG and Samsung both announced plans to work on Universal players only to recant. Coincidence or pressure? You decide.
Or market awareness and lack of HD DVD support? You decide.
Here's what YOU told us.
"The 4th brings the shock and awe"
Well 4th qtr is almost bye bye...the PS3 has been delivered and Blu-ray is still behind. I'd say you have more road to go to improve your accuracy than I do.
Behind? According to whom? Amazon? Bwahahahahahaa!
I think you'll find the attachrate of BD movies to PS3 ..abysmal.
The PS3 is being outsold worldwide by the Wii. There's nothing to fear here.
What does PS3 being outsold by the Wii have to do with anything? The Wii is less than half the price, does it shock anyone that it is outselling the PS3?
The Xbox 360 is also outselling the PS3. The point is the PS3 sales are already beginning to level out so I don't really expect for there to be a huge influx of hungry movie fans.
What's going to give Blu-ray a boost is some better titles coming from exclusive studios.
What I think doesn't matter as clearly they support both.
Wow, talk about selective facts. Whenever it suits you, you like to tout how HD DVD has soooo many more titles. But point out that Netflix has more Blu-ray titles available for rental at this moment despite HD DVD's head start, and suddenly it doesn't matter.
Wow, talk about selective facts. Whenever it suits you, you like to tout how HD DVD has soooo many more titles. But point out that Netflix has more Blu-ray titles available for rental at this moment despite HD DVD's head start, and suddenly it doesn't matter.
No I give Blu-ray props for getting so many titles out. They have a studio advantage but studios are pretty slow to support new formats sometimes.
I'm quite impressed so far, and it seems to do a good job with playback of standard DVD over HDMI as well. I'm eager for my new Yamaha RX-V2700 receiver to show up so I can do my HDMI switching through my receiver instead of through my TV.
I really have no clue how the format war is going to turn out, but my gut feeling is that HD DVD's early lead in disc sales and players (not counting PS3s) is going to convince more movie studios to give up Blu-Ray exclusivity -- except, of course, Sony Pictures.
If nothing else, I'm hoping HD DVD's foothold is strong enough to help encourage the production of universal HD players -- I expect to replace the HD-A2 someday anyway, I just don't want to have to replace my disc library, whatever size it may have grown to. I'd have happily plunked down twice as much money for a good universal HD player if one had been available.
I have a 56" 1080i RPTV from JVC (3 and a half years old or so). We have an xbox 360. I am planning on this point going HD-DVD. Should I go with the 360 addon, or the dedicated A2? I don't mind spending a bit more for a dedicated unit (plus I think there is a free movie offer with the A2, if I remember reading that here correctly). I think I am leaning towards the dedicated unit, as the 360 isn't mine (it's a roommates), and he is moving out in 6 months. But if I got a 360 addon now, I could buy a dedicated unit in 6 months and move the 360 addon to my computer. Maybe there will be a universal player at that point, or at least things will be a bit more clear on this format war.
Any suggestions? Or better yet, any reviews between the two? I am wondering if the PQ for the xbox addon is good. And does it do 1080i, or only 720p (not a huge deal, as my TV would upconvert the 720p signal to 1080i).
http://www.engadget.com/2006/12/27/a...kuphddvd-tool/
A note however, AACS wasn't really cracked. The author wrote a decrypting tool, but you need the disk "keys" (supposedly PowerDVD stores them in memory, and they can be obtained this way). The author is to be releasing a newer version after the new year that will be better still. And supposedly keys are leaking out onto the internet, you just need to populate your "key file".
And its java, and appears to run under OS X. If I had a HD-DVD drive, and some keys I'd give it a whirl.
I was just offered a job, so I might be jumping in the race sooner than I had expected. But the question is with what?
I have a 56" 1080i RPTV from JVC (3 and a half years old or so). We have an xbox 360. I am planning on this point going HD-DVD. Should I go with the 360 addon, or the dedicated A2? I don't mind spending a bit more for a dedicated unit (plus I think there is a free movie offer with the A2, if I remember reading that here correctly). I think I am leaning towards the dedicated unit, as the 360 isn't mine (it's a roommates), and he is moving out in 6 months. But if I got a 360 addon now, I could buy a dedicated unit in 6 months and move the 360 addon to my computer. Maybe there will be a universal player at that point, or at least things will be a bit more clear on this format war.
Any suggestions? Or better yet, any reviews between the two? I am wondering if the PQ for the xbox addon is good. And does it do 1080i, or only 720p (not a huge deal, as my TV would upconvert the 720p signal to 1080i).
Xbox add on.
The only thing you give up is the TrueHD support which isn't on every disc and upscaling DVDs. I was thinking the same thing since the add on is easy to get working on a computer you're still not out anything and 6 months from now there are likely to be a few more options for you hardware wise.
Xbox add on.
The only thing you give up is the TrueHD support which isn't on every disc and upscaling DVDs. I was thinking the same thing since the add on is easy to get working on a computer you're still not out anything and 6 months from now there are likely to be a few more options for you hardware wise.
Sounds good. I just have a (good) stereo setup (2.1), so surround isn't a big deal for me.
Sounds good. I just have a (good) stereo setup (2.1), so surround isn't a big deal for me.
Until Dec 31st you can get the xbox drive for $40 off with the coupon attached to this post
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...&&#post9299931
Who here has actually bought into one HD format or the other? My vague feeling from occasionally skimming the older 2006 thread is that there are more Blu-Ray cheerleaders than HD DVD cheerleaders, but also more HD DVD buyers than Blu-Ray buyers.
I'll be getting a PS3, but I'm not really concerned with what the particular winning format will be.
I'm interested in Blu-Ray because I think it's a better format, but it's not SO MUCH better a format that I'd be, you know, hurt if HD-DVD won.
I'm still holding out for downloaded media to get to HD quality in a few years. I'm probably gonna skip out this generation of players.
Who here has actually bought into one HD format or the other? My vague feeling from occasionally skimming the older 2006 thread is that there are more Blu-Ray cheerleaders than HD DVD cheerleaders, but also more HD DVD buyers than Blu-Ray buyers.
I'm guilty of cheerleading. I'm really thinking about running to a couple of CC and seeing if I can grab the Xbox HD DVD for $160 this weekend. I'll have to see. I've got 15 movies waiting for the hardware.
Shetline ..excellent choice on the RX-V2700. Yamaha and Onkyo are my favorites for AV Receivers are you going to get the YDS-10 iPod Dock?
Shetline ..excellent choice on the RX-V2700. Yamaha and Onkyo are my favorites for AV Receivers are you going to get the YDS-10 iPod Dock?
I've already got a Roku SoundBridge I use to stream my music collection, so no real need to hook an iPod up to my receiver.
I'm still holding out for downloaded media to get to HD quality in a few years. I'm probably gonna skip out this generation of players.
There's no way I'd want to wait that long -- I don't think downloading is going to be a major means of HD movie distribution any time really soon.
I can, however, easily believe that HD DVD and Blu-Ray are the last hurrah for physical media -- not to say it won't be a significant hurrah. I think we've got a good 10-15 years to go before (1) there's a network infrastructure good enough to distribute one or more random-access 25-30 mbps data streams to a large number of households simultaneously, and before (2) most people are convinced that owning your own copy of a movie isn't an important or desirable thing. Network-based distribution without physical media will probably be could enough to satisfy a subset of users before that 10-15 years passes, but I still think it'll take that long to substantially replace physical media.
I'll be getting a PS3, but I'm not really concerned with what the particular winning format will be.
I'm interested in Blu-Ray because I think it's a better format, but it's not SO MUCH better a format that I'd be, you know, hurt if HD-DVD won.
I'm still holding out for downloaded media to get to HD quality in a few years. I'm probably gonna skip out this generation of players.
You just said you're getting a PS3. You're already "in" by then. Netlix will be your buddy if you want to rent movies. Both platforms will eventually be hybrid devices meaning you'll have the physical carrier but they will be network enabled to download new content.
Who here has actually bought into one HD format or the other? My vague feeling from occasionally skimming the older 2006 thread is that there are more Blu-Ray cheerleaders than HD DVD cheerleaders, but also more HD DVD buyers than Blu-Ray buyers.
I had the same question as I had the feeling that many of the most enthusiastic posters were all talk and hadn't put their money where their mouth was. So I started this thread:
http://forums.appleinsider.com/showthread.php?t=69759
One of things that appalls me is the less than thrilling list of titles available. No matter how good it looks and sounds, a bad movie is still going to be bad.
One of things that appalls me is the less than thrilling list of titles available. No matter how good it looks and sounds, a bad movie is still going to be bad.
That's true for a long time for any new format. Not having a format war would sure help some, but even then, it would take a while for things to get going. You can always figure that behind the scenes, especially when it comes to the hottest titles, someone somewhere is angling for a sweeter deal and making all sorts of demands in order to agree to allow said titles to be released on a new format.