Anyway, the reviewer is comparing the PQ among BD collections and we all know that it has been sub par on average. There were some BD movies like "Total Recall" originally release as MPEG2 on 25GB BD disc which was released on HD-DVD as VC-1 codec in Europe showing vast PQ improvements over the BD release. This is just one example, but if and when the initial BD releases were to be re-released on AVC or VC-1, it's more likely to see noticeable improvements over the MPEG2 versions.
Looks as if someone is living a Groundhog's Day life back in July 2006. Actually, Blu-ray releases on average are beating HD DVD (both video and audio) according to the ratings on HiDefDigest and this site rates both HD DVD and Blu-ray movies BTW...
Sorry, gotta call you out on the crap your stating here. ^^^
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Eitherway, the winner of the HiDef format would be the format that will deliver the best PQ at the cheapest cost and when the cost is nearing the cost of the SD-DVD. Well, the HDTV booming has started, so there soon be no concern about the added cost of HD display to joining in the new HD experience. Anyway, I'd have to restate that the cost will be the main driving factor for this format war, but the cost has to be $199 - $299 to be an effective hardware entry cost, but not at $399 or $499 even for BD. Most consumers would however compromise on the PQ but would not likely to compromise on the cost, and this is why the cost is the main driver. Hence, the benefit lies on the HD-DVD to win since it will get cheaper faster than the BD. There's a rumor that Toshiba will slash the price tag on the 2nd gen HD-DVD players at the CES and that would be one step closer to becoming a winner.
As I've stated many times in regards to economies of scale, I have to agree with franksargent as Blu-ray actually has the better chance of geting cheaper faster as there are so many companies supporting it and making parts for it.
In the first example of an official manufacturer's price reduction for next-gen hardware, Samsung today announced a post-Christmas price drop on its BD-P1000 first-gen Blu-ray player, effectively immediately.
Originally released this past June for a cool grand, Samsung has slashed the deck's price by $100, with the unit now listing with an MSRP of $899, according to the manufacturer.
As any MSRP discount means an even lower wholesale cost for retailers, a quick perusal of online sites saw even more competitive prices for the BD-P1000. Both BestBuy.com and CircuitCity.com are now selling the player for $799, while Amazon dropped its price a whopping $330, to a comparitively affordable list of $569.
That now makes the BD-P1000, with discount, the cheapest Blu-ray stand-alone player on the market, edged out only by Sony's 20GB PlayStation 3 game console, which includes a Blu-ray drive and currently lists for $500.
Vitally important for the next-gen format wars, Samsung's move also helps to close the price gap between Blu-ray and HD DVD -- at least with such steep online discounts -- nearing the $500 list price for Toshiba's cheapest HD DVD player option, the HD-A1.
Such aggressive pricing can only help the high-defintion formats, as one of the primary deterrents in attracting consumers to a new technology is price. So we hope to see more discounts on hardware throughout 2007. Stay tuned.
Case in point to my post above this one. This ought to be a sign of things to come--declinging Blu-ray prices at a faster rate than HD DVD prices.
Looks as if someone is living a Groundhog's Day life back in July 2006. Actually, Blu-ray releases on average are beating HD DVD (both video and audio) according to the ratings on HiDefDigest and this site rates both HD DVD and Blu-ray movies BTW...
Sorry, gotta call you out on the crap your stating here. ^^^
As I've stated many times in regards to economies of scale, I have to agree with franksargent as Blu-ray actually has the better chance of geting cheaper faster as there are so many companies supporting it and making parts for it.
As expected, you're still posting those links with no values.... Are those review reports of the same movies being released on both sides?..... You've been a nonesense fanboy for the 2006 and I'd expect your fanaticism to continue, however, please post contents with little more credibility and something worthy of fair discussion.
All in all, you've probably didn't understand the reports, but even the nonsene link you've povided shows that PQ is still better on HD-DVD than BD. At least two out of three reviews reported such. BTW, are you planing to be a true BD soldier this year by getting one of those BD players or are you going to be on the sideline rubber necking again throughout 2007?
Is that YDL 5.0 by any chance. Have you run any code (i. e. complied) or run any benchmarks. Of course, that would be an additional reason for me to get a PS3.
Actually its Fedora Core 6. I latched onto a bad torrent or something. I gave up on the YDL download after a day and only a couple hundred megs downloaded.
I haven't run any benchmarks, but my impression is that for what it is working with (only 2 SPEs, a very small 256Mb of RAM and non-accelerated X server) its decent. The desktop is reasonable speed if you are just surfing. Eventually I'll try to stream some audio/video from another box in the house to see how that goes.
I'm sorry, but if you're running linux on PS3, you obviously aren't a regular J6P, are you?.... you're just a hardware junkie/enthusiast. BTW, how is it running Linux on PS3?... I thought of doing something similar and having xbox360 add on to work along with it as a universal format HT console...... but I hate Sony as much as I hate M$ and I couldn't bare myself supporting both at the same time....lol. BTW, did you try running Windows on it? Few years back, there was a time that I had hoped to have PS3 running MacOS..... well...that was the rumor at time....
LOL - yeah I'm far from joe average user. I run OS X, Windows, Linux, etc. I had a UUCP node that was only 3 hops from uunet that ran on SCO Xenix/286 in 1988 as sophomore in college.
you couldn't get a 360 well into march after launch, bundle or not.
getting your hands on a ps3 seems to be a lot easier
This is a crazy comparison. The 360 had zero next generation console competition. The best thing that Microsoft did was to rush the 360 to market so they'd have such a massive headstart. The benefits are what we've all seen - more software, one of the cornerstones of a successful console.
As expected, you're still posting those links with no values.... Are those review reports of the same movies being released on both sides?..... You've been a nonesense fanboy for the 2006 and I'd expect your fanaticism to continue, however, please post contents with little more credibility and something worthy of fair discussion.
Oh, a nonsense fanboy...hmm I don't seem to recall claiming the format war being over like a senseless zealot I'm directing this post too. Did I? You certainly did. The only fanaticism coming out of this thread already are posts from you claiming that HD DVD has won.
I'd say HighDefDigest is quite worthy. The link I provided simply did the math for me. Go ahead and do the math yourself if you're so doubtful, but it was YOU who claimed that "on average" Blu-ray was sub par. I just simply displayed how full of Mr. Hankey you are.
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All in all, you've probably didn't understand the reports, but even the nonsene link you've povided shows that PQ is still better on HD-DVD than BD. At least two out of three reviews reported such. BTW, are you planing to be a true BD soldier this year by getting one of those BD players or are you going to be on the sideline rubber necking again throughout 2007?
Wow, do all HD DVD proponents such as yourself lack in rudimentary reading skills or what? The link I provided was supplemented with a statement that offered evidence do the contrary of what you stated--that "we all know that it [Blu-ray] has been sub par on average." I also SPECIFICALLY stated that according to HIGHEDEFDIGEST, that picture quality "on average" was better on Blu-ray. I fully realize, that other sites have HD DVD in the lead, but I'm attempting to poke a hole in that dome of yours that is clearly stuck in Blu-ray's launch by referencing titles like Total Recall and show you that "on average" neither format has a CLEAR PQ advantage. Depending on which site you reference, you'll get different degrees of subjectiveness.
So, in general, when your spouting off claims like HD DVD has won and that Blu-ray on average is sub par, I think one needs to correct you as you are simply trolling old, irrelavent, and untrue claims.
BTW, I plan on purchasing a PS3 as soon as their available at my local BB or CC. You see, they never have any in stock when I go to the store, but I secretly sure as heck enjoy this fact because then I know zealots like yourself have already wasted X amount of $$$ in a hemmoraging format that is HD DVD and that PS3 with Blu-ray are already penentrating the marketplace at a great rate.
Hope you had a great holiday with your paper weight. Take care now, bye, bye then.
Oh, a nonsense fanboy...hmm I don't seem to recall claiming the format war being over like a senseless zealot I'm directing this post too. Did I? You certainly did. The only fanaticism coming out of this thread already are posts from you claiming that HD DVD has won.
I'd say HighDefDigest is quite worthy. The link I provided simply did the math for me. Go ahead and do the math yourself if you're so doubtful, but it was YOU who claimed that "on average" Blu-ray was sub par. I just simply displayed how full of Mr. Hankey you are.
Wow, do all HD DVD proponents such as yourself lack in rudimentary reading skills or what? The link I provided was supplemented with a statement that offered evidence do the contrary of what you stated--that "we all know that it [Blu-ray] has been sub par on average." I also SPECIFICALLY stated that according to HIGHEDEFDIGEST, that picture quality "on average" was better on Blu-ray. I fully realize, that other sites have HD DVD in the lead, but I'm attempting to poke a hole in that dome of yours that is clearly stuck in Blu-ray's launch by referencing titles like Total Recall and show you that "on average" neither format has a CLEAR PQ advantage. Depending on which site you reference, you'll get different degrees of subjectiveness.
So, in general, when your spouting off claims like HD DVD has won and that Blu-ray on average is sub par, I think one needs to correct you as you are simply trolling old, irrelavent, and untrue claims.
BTW, I plan on purchasing a PS3 as soon as their available at my local BB or CC. You see, they never have any in stock when I go to the store, but I secretly sure as heck enjoy this fact because then I know zealots like yourself have already wasted X amount of $$$ in a hemmoraging format that is HD DVD and that PS3 with Blu-ray are already penentrating the marketplace at a great rate.
Hope you had a great holiday with your paper weight. Take care now, bye, bye then.
Hm.... please do go check your math or try to understand the provided data. I can't believe I'm quoting a nonesense site you're linking, however, when you add up all three reviewing site reports the Average PQ score is 3.84 for HD-DVD and 3.67 for BD. Eitherway, these scores have no merit since the comparison wasn't made to equal counter part release on the both parts. Some HD exclusive movies were restored from what was produced 20 years ago vs. BD exclusive movies release from 2006/2005. If you think these aren't the important factors than I shouldn't be even making this discussion with you. Anyway, the point is that many of the restored movies would have limited AQ and PQ restorability based on the age of the original film, especially limiting on the audio.
Hm.... please do go check your math or try to understand the provided data. I can't believe I'm quoting a nonesense site you're linking, however, when you add up all three reviewing site reports the Average PQ score is 3.84 for HD-DVD and 3.67 for BD. Eitherway, these scores have no merit since the comparison wasn't made to equal counter part release on the both parts. Some HD exclusive movies were restored from what was produced 20 years ago vs. BD exclusive movies release from 2006/2005. If you think these aren't the important factors than I shouldn't be even making this discussion with you. Anyway, the point is that many of the restored movies would have limited AQ and PQ restorability based on the age of the original film, especially limiting on the audio.
No checking of math necessary. Did you happen to read the entire thread. Notice the average rating from all three sites when you review the last 30 titles from each site? Hmm. Read again. Blu-ray on average is higher. I'm not necessarily claiming Blu-ray PQ superiority, but simply dicrediting your earlier claime that Blu-ray movies on average are sub par which is simply not true. Time to get out of the time warp Doc. I know this is "heavy."
This is a crazy comparison. The 360 had zero next generation console competition. The best thing that Microsoft did was to rush the 360 to market so they'd have such a massive headstart. The benefits are what we've all seen - more software, one of the cornerstones of a successful console.
no, whats crazy is the amounts of backstepping sony and their fanboys are doing. the ps3 was supposed to smash everything on day 1 and didn't even come close, its image has taken a huge hit and a lot of people are worried it may not bounce back.
you couldn't get a 360 well into march after launch, bundle or not.
getting your hands on a ps3 seems to be a lot easier
My local Wal Mart had one of each PS3 model tonight at about 7:00. As I recall tomorrow is restock day so they've been there about 6 days. No Wiis though.
i've heard of many, and i've talked to many people, and i've witnesed a few occasions of being in a store the store having a few ps3's just sitting there.
if you check the other blueray/hddvd thread you'll see i didn't believe it either when someone started saying they had ps3's at their local electronics store.
So your point rests on nothing but your personal opinion, people you've talked to, and other anecdotal crap? Great..just checking.
Consumers wary of buying new high-definition DVD players because of a technology war reminiscent of the days of Betamax versus VHS will soon have a new kind of DVD that might make the decision less daunting.
Warner Brothers, which helped popularize the DVD more than a decade ago, plans to announce next week a single videodisc that can play films and television programs in both Blu-ray and HD-DVD, the rival DVD technologies.
Warner Brothers, a division of Time Warner, plans to formally announce the new disc, which it is calling a Total HD disc, at the Consumer Electronics Show in Las Vegas on Tuesday.
Two rival camps introduced high-definition DVD players last year: a consortium called Blu-ray, backed by Sony and others, and a group called HD-DVD, backed by Toshiba and Microsoft. Retail and media executives say this clash of corporate titans and their incompatible machines has left some consumers bewildered and has slowed the introduction of what is intended to be the next great thing in home entertainment.
Executives at Time Warner and its Hollywood subsidiary hope to spur sales of new DVD players and movies by gaining the support of retailers and cajoling rival studios into making their film and television libraries available in both formats on a single disc.
In addition to reviving the ghost of the war that marked the introduction of videocassettes in the 1980s, the high-definition battle has been exacerbated by the decision of several major studios to support only one of the technologies.
Thus, for instance, a copy of 20th Century Fox?s ?Ice Age: The Meltdown? is available only on Blu-ray, while Universal?s ?The Break-Up? can be viewed only on a disc and player built with HD-DVD technology.
Barry M. Meyer, the chairman and chief executive of Warner Brothers, said in an interview that the company came up with the Total HD disc after concluding that neither Blu-ray nor HD-DVD was going the way of Betamax anytime soon.
?The next best thing is to recognize that there will be two formats and to make that not a negative for the consumer,? Mr. Meyer said. ?We felt that the most significant constituency for us to satisfy was the consumer first, and the retailer second. The retailer wants to sell hardware and doesn?t want to be forced into stocking two formats for everything. This is ideal for them.?
In a world besotted with gadgetry, few consumer products have generated as much excitement ? and head-scratching ? as high-definition television. Flat-screen, high-definition TVs have been flying off the shelves for the last year and are now as common in homes as coffee pots. Yet few people are actually watching superclear high-definition programming.
Part of the disconnect is the lack of high-definition programming on cable and satellite television, and the additional outlay for decoder boxes and premium channels needed to get it. The rival movie player technologies have further blurred the outlook for high definition. Richard Greenfield, an analyst at Pali Capital, predicted in a recent report that this would be the first year since the introduction of the DVD that consumer spending on the discs would decline, putting pressure on the studios that rely heavily on them for profits.
For now, Sony; Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer, which is owned by private equity firms in partnership with the Comcast Corporation and Sony; 20th Century Fox, a division of the News Corporation; and Walt Disney Pictures are all exclusively releasing their DVDs in Blu-ray.
Universal Studios, which is owned by General Electric, is releasing only in HD-DVD. Warner and Paramount Pictures, a division of Viacom, are issuing DVDs in both formats.
Behind these allegiances are complex strategic questions revolving around everything from manufacturing costs to profit margins, debates over each format?s technical strengths and weaknesses, and how these players relate to Microsoft and Sony?s video-game strategies.
(Blu-ray players are built into the new Sony PlayStation 3, while Microsoft is selling HD-DVD drives that attach to its Xbox 360.)
Another wrinkle is plans by LG Electronics, and possibly other gadget makers attending the Las Vegas conference, to announce new DVD players with drives for both formats; however, such players will most likely be initially more expensive than other players.
Jeffrey L. Bewkes, the president of Time Warner, said the Total HD disc has a better chance of catching on than dual players. Research commissioned by Warner indicates that consumers are willing to pay several dollars more than current high-definition DVDs for a disc that works on both players. At the Web site for Best Buy, Warner?s ?Superman Returns? DVD was selling yesterday for $19.99 in its standard format, $29.99 for Blu-ray and $34.99 for HD-DVD.
Still, it is not clear whether news of Warner?s Total HD disc would convince the studio heads who are backing one format or the other to release their wares in both. Sony, of course, has placed a big bet on Blu-ray?s success and does not want to relive the sting of Betamax?s defeat. The number of studios committed solely to Blu-ray has been seen as a competitive edge, particularly because HD-DVD came to market several months ahead of Blu-ray.
And HD-DVD?s boosters say they doubt gaming fans who have been snapping up the just-introduced PlayStation 3 will take advantage of its built-in Blu-ray player and buy movies as well as video games.
In recent interviews, executives at Fox and Disney were unequivocal in their support for Blu-ray. They said they believed that releasing DVDs in both formats would only prolong confusion and the emergence of a winning format. ?I think the fastest way to end the format war is through decisiveness and strength,? said Bob Chapek, the president of Buena Vista Worldwide Entertainment, the home video arm of Walt Disney.
Like other Blu-ray proponents and partners, Mr. Chapek said that he favors Blu-ray because of its greater storage capacity and other attributes. HD-DVD offers the same vivid picture by storing less information on its disc, which means fewer minutes of video and other features. However, among its perceived advantages, HD-DVD players are less expensive and also play standard DVDs, while Blu-ray players do not.
Because of manufacturing complexities, the Total HD disc will not contain a standard format version, said Kevin Tsujihara, the president of Warner Brothers Home Entertainment Group. However, several months ago the company filed patents for a new disc incorporating all three formats, which it could produce in the future.
Mr. Tsujihara described the new disc as an elegant way for studios to make their content available more widely ?in a way that is not conceding defeat? for the format they have been backing.
In the short term, Total HD would actually add to the number of formats retailers will have to stock, raising it from three to four. However, Irynne V. MacKay, senior vice president for entertainment products at Circuit City, said she supported the idea because it took pressure off consumers puzzling over which format to invest in. ?The simpler the future is for us, the better,? said Ms. MacKay.
Hm.... does this mean that I have to pay more than the BD DVD price to buy warner HD-DVD movies?.... I thought the Combo disc was bad enough for HD-DVD. With popularity of possible Universal format player, the warner's efforts may not be needed, but maybe even lose the advantage of HD-DVD movies being lowerly priced on the street. I'm just afraid that such ultra hd combo disc may hike up the price so high that it would cost 2 to 3x the price of the SD-DVD. Which means, HiDef format will be a niche market for good.
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Anyway, the reviewer is comparing the PQ among BD collections and we all know that it has been sub par on average. There were some BD movies like "Total Recall" originally release as MPEG2 on 25GB BD disc which was released on HD-DVD as VC-1 codec in Europe showing vast PQ improvements over the BD release. This is just one example, but if and when the initial BD releases were to be re-released on AVC or VC-1, it's more likely to see noticeable improvements over the MPEG2 versions.
Looks as if someone is living a Groundhog's Day life back in July 2006. Actually, Blu-ray releases on average are beating HD DVD (both video and audio) according to the ratings on HiDefDigest and this site rates both HD DVD and Blu-ray movies BTW...
http://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=4278
Sorry, gotta call you out on the crap your stating here. ^^^
Eitherway, the winner of the HiDef format would be the format that will deliver the best PQ at the cheapest cost and when the cost is nearing the cost of the SD-DVD. Well, the HDTV booming has started, so there soon be no concern about the added cost of HD display to joining in the new HD experience. Anyway, I'd have to restate that the cost will be the main driving factor for this format war, but the cost has to be $199 - $299 to be an effective hardware entry cost, but not at $399 or $499 even for BD. Most consumers would however compromise on the PQ but would not likely to compromise on the cost, and this is why the cost is the main driver. Hence, the benefit lies on the HD-DVD to win since it will get cheaper faster than the BD. There's a rumor that Toshiba will slash the price tag on the 2nd gen HD-DVD players at the CES and that would be one step closer to becoming a winner.
As I've stated many times in regards to economies of scale, I have to agree with franksargent as Blu-ray actually has the better chance of geting cheaper faster as there are so many companies supporting it and making parts for it.
http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/news...ayer_Price/410
In the first example of an official manufacturer's price reduction for next-gen hardware, Samsung today announced a post-Christmas price drop on its BD-P1000 first-gen Blu-ray player, effectively immediately.
Originally released this past June for a cool grand, Samsung has slashed the deck's price by $100, with the unit now listing with an MSRP of $899, according to the manufacturer.
As any MSRP discount means an even lower wholesale cost for retailers, a quick perusal of online sites saw even more competitive prices for the BD-P1000. Both BestBuy.com and CircuitCity.com are now selling the player for $799, while Amazon dropped its price a whopping $330, to a comparitively affordable list of $569.
That now makes the BD-P1000, with discount, the cheapest Blu-ray stand-alone player on the market, edged out only by Sony's 20GB PlayStation 3 game console, which includes a Blu-ray drive and currently lists for $500.
Vitally important for the next-gen format wars, Samsung's move also helps to close the price gap between Blu-ray and HD DVD -- at least with such steep online discounts -- nearing the $500 list price for Toshiba's cheapest HD DVD player option, the HD-A1.
Such aggressive pricing can only help the high-defintion formats, as one of the primary deterrents in attracting consumers to a new technology is price. So we hope to see more discounts on hardware throughout 2007. Stay tuned.
Case in point to my post above this one. This ought to be a sign of things to come--declinging Blu-ray prices at a faster rate than HD DVD prices.
Looks as if someone is living a Groundhog's Day life back in July 2006. Actually, Blu-ray releases on average are beating HD DVD (both video and audio) according to the ratings on HiDefDigest and this site rates both HD DVD and Blu-ray movies BTW...
http://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=4278
Sorry, gotta call you out on the crap your stating here. ^^^
As I've stated many times in regards to economies of scale, I have to agree with franksargent as Blu-ray actually has the better chance of geting cheaper faster as there are so many companies supporting it and making parts for it.
As expected, you're still posting those links with no values.... Are those review reports of the same movies being released on both sides?..... You've been a nonesense fanboy for the 2006 and I'd expect your fanaticism to continue, however, please post contents with little more credibility and something worthy of fair discussion.
All in all, you've probably didn't understand the reports, but even the nonsene link you've povided shows that PQ is still better on HD-DVD than BD. At least two out of three reviews reported such. BTW, are you planing to be a true BD soldier this year by getting one of those BD players or are you going to be on the sideline rubber necking again throughout 2007?
The Xbox 360 is also outselling the PS3.
The 360 has been out a year longer than the PS3...
Is that YDL 5.0 by any chance. Have you run any code (i. e. complied) or run any benchmarks. Of course, that would be an additional reason for me to get a PS3.
Actually its Fedora Core 6. I latched onto a bad torrent or something. I gave up on the YDL download after a day and only a couple hundred megs downloaded.
I haven't run any benchmarks, but my impression is that for what it is working with (only 2 SPEs, a very small 256Mb of RAM and non-accelerated X server) its decent. The desktop is reasonable speed if you are just surfing. Eventually I'll try to stream some audio/video from another box in the house to see how that goes.
I'm sorry, but if you're running linux on PS3, you obviously aren't a regular J6P, are you?.... you're just a hardware junkie/enthusiast. BTW, how is it running Linux on PS3?... I thought of doing something similar and having xbox360 add on to work along with it as a universal format HT console...... but I hate Sony as much as I hate M$ and I couldn't bare myself supporting both at the same time....lol. BTW, did you try running Windows on it? Few years back, there was a time that I had hoped to have PS3 running MacOS..... well...that was the rumor at time....
LOL - yeah I'm far from joe average user. I run OS X, Windows, Linux, etc. I had a UUCP node that was only 3 hops from uunet that ran on SCO Xenix/286 in 1988 as sophomore in college.
The 360 has been out a year longer than the PS3...
you couldn't get a 360 well into march after launch, bundle or not.
getting your hands on a ps3 seems to be a lot easier
you couldn't get a 360 well into march after launch, bundle or not.
getting your hands on a ps3 seems to be a lot easier
This is a crazy comparison. The 360 had zero next generation console competition. The best thing that Microsoft did was to rush the 360 to market so they'd have such a massive headstart. The benefits are what we've all seen - more software, one of the cornerstones of a successful console.
As expected, you're still posting those links with no values.... Are those review reports of the same movies being released on both sides?..... You've been a nonesense fanboy for the 2006 and I'd expect your fanaticism to continue, however, please post contents with little more credibility and something worthy of fair discussion.
Oh, a nonsense fanboy...hmm I don't seem to recall claiming the format war being over like a senseless zealot I'm directing this post too. Did I? You certainly did. The only fanaticism coming out of this thread already are posts from you claiming that HD DVD has won.
I'd say HighDefDigest is quite worthy. The link I provided simply did the math for me. Go ahead and do the math yourself if you're so doubtful, but it was YOU who claimed that "on average" Blu-ray was sub par. I just simply displayed how full of Mr. Hankey you are.
All in all, you've probably didn't understand the reports, but even the nonsene link you've povided shows that PQ is still better on HD-DVD than BD. At least two out of three reviews reported such. BTW, are you planing to be a true BD soldier this year by getting one of those BD players or are you going to be on the sideline rubber necking again throughout 2007?
Wow, do all HD DVD proponents such as yourself lack in rudimentary reading skills or what? The link I provided was supplemented with a statement that offered evidence do the contrary of what you stated--that "we all know that it [Blu-ray] has been sub par on average." I also SPECIFICALLY stated that according to HIGHEDEFDIGEST, that picture quality "on average" was better on Blu-ray. I fully realize, that other sites have HD DVD in the lead, but I'm attempting to poke a hole in that dome of yours that is clearly stuck in Blu-ray's launch by referencing titles like Total Recall and show you that "on average" neither format has a CLEAR PQ advantage. Depending on which site you reference, you'll get different degrees of subjectiveness.
So, in general, when your spouting off claims like HD DVD has won and that Blu-ray on average is sub par, I think one needs to correct you as you are simply trolling old, irrelavent, and untrue claims.
BTW, I plan on purchasing a PS3 as soon as their available at my local BB or CC. You see, they never have any in stock when I go to the store, but I secretly sure as heck enjoy this fact because then I know zealots like yourself have already wasted X amount of $$$ in a hemmoraging format that is HD DVD and that PS3 with Blu-ray are already penentrating the marketplace at a great rate.
Hope you had a great holiday with your paper weight. Take care now, bye, bye then.
Oh, a nonsense fanboy...hmm I don't seem to recall claiming the format war being over like a senseless zealot I'm directing this post too. Did I? You certainly did. The only fanaticism coming out of this thread already are posts from you claiming that HD DVD has won.
I'd say HighDefDigest is quite worthy. The link I provided simply did the math for me. Go ahead and do the math yourself if you're so doubtful, but it was YOU who claimed that "on average" Blu-ray was sub par. I just simply displayed how full of Mr. Hankey you are.
Wow, do all HD DVD proponents such as yourself lack in rudimentary reading skills or what? The link I provided was supplemented with a statement that offered evidence do the contrary of what you stated--that "we all know that it [Blu-ray] has been sub par on average." I also SPECIFICALLY stated that according to HIGHEDEFDIGEST, that picture quality "on average" was better on Blu-ray. I fully realize, that other sites have HD DVD in the lead, but I'm attempting to poke a hole in that dome of yours that is clearly stuck in Blu-ray's launch by referencing titles like Total Recall and show you that "on average" neither format has a CLEAR PQ advantage. Depending on which site you reference, you'll get different degrees of subjectiveness.
So, in general, when your spouting off claims like HD DVD has won and that Blu-ray on average is sub par, I think one needs to correct you as you are simply trolling old, irrelavent, and untrue claims.
BTW, I plan on purchasing a PS3 as soon as their available at my local BB or CC. You see, they never have any in stock when I go to the store, but I secretly sure as heck enjoy this fact because then I know zealots like yourself have already wasted X amount of $$$ in a hemmoraging format that is HD DVD and that PS3 with Blu-ray are already penentrating the marketplace at a great rate.
Hope you had a great holiday with your paper weight. Take care now, bye, bye then.
Hm.... please do go check your math or try to understand the provided data. I can't believe I'm quoting a nonesense site you're linking, however, when you add up all three reviewing site reports the Average PQ score is 3.84 for HD-DVD and 3.67 for BD. Eitherway, these scores have no merit since the comparison wasn't made to equal counter part release on the both parts. Some HD exclusive movies were restored from what was produced 20 years ago vs. BD exclusive movies release from 2006/2005. If you think these aren't the important factors than I shouldn't be even making this discussion with you. Anyway, the point is that many of the restored movies would have limited AQ and PQ restorability based on the age of the original film, especially limiting on the audio.
Here are the list of last 10 BD-DVD's review:
• Gridiron Gang
• The Covenant
• Rising Sun
• Invincible
• Transporter 2
• Lady in the Water
• Pearl Harbor
• Flightplan
• The Ant Bully
• Sky High
Last 10 HD-DVD reviews:
• Black Rain
• The Breakfast Club
• Lady in the Water
• The Matador
• Casino
• The Ant Bully
• Field of Dreams
• Hulk
• Derailed
• Dune (1984)
BTW, you can order your PS3 60GB from BB online:
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage....prd65900050007
Hm.... please do go check your math or try to understand the provided data. I can't believe I'm quoting a nonesense site you're linking, however, when you add up all three reviewing site reports the Average PQ score is 3.84 for HD-DVD and 3.67 for BD. Eitherway, these scores have no merit since the comparison wasn't made to equal counter part release on the both parts. Some HD exclusive movies were restored from what was produced 20 years ago vs. BD exclusive movies release from 2006/2005. If you think these aren't the important factors than I shouldn't be even making this discussion with you. Anyway, the point is that many of the restored movies would have limited AQ and PQ restorability based on the age of the original film, especially limiting on the audio.
Here are the list of last 10 BD-DVD's review:
? Gridiron Gang
? The Covenant
? Rising Sun
? Invincible
? Transporter 2
? Lady in the Water
? Pearl Harbor
? Flightplan
? The Ant Bully
? Sky High
Last 10 HD-DVD reviews:
? Black Rain
? The Breakfast Club
? Lady in the Water
? The Matador
? Casino
? The Ant Bully
? Field of Dreams
? Hulk
? Derailed
? Dune (1984)
BTW, you can order your PS3 60GB from BB online:
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage....prd65900050007
No checking of math necessary. Did you happen to read the entire thread. Notice the average rating from all three sites when you review the last 30 titles from each site? Hmm. Read again. Blu-ray on average is higher. I'm not necessarily claiming Blu-ray PQ superiority, but simply dicrediting your earlier claime that Blu-ray movies on average are sub par which is simply not true. Time to get out of the time warp Doc. I know this is "heavy."
This is a crazy comparison. The 360 had zero next generation console competition. The best thing that Microsoft did was to rush the 360 to market so they'd have such a massive headstart. The benefits are what we've all seen - more software, one of the cornerstones of a successful console.
no, whats crazy is the amounts of backstepping sony and their fanboys are doing. the ps3 was supposed to smash everything on day 1 and didn't even come close, its image has taken a huge hit and a lot of people are worried it may not bounce back.
you couldn't get a 360 well into march after launch, bundle or not.
getting your hands on a ps3 seems to be a lot easier
My local Wal Mart had one of each PS3 model tonight at about 7:00. As I recall tomorrow is restock day so they've been there about 6 days. No Wiis though.
i've heard of many, and i've talked to many people, and i've witnesed a few occasions of being in a store the store having a few ps3's just sitting there.
if you check the other blueray/hddvd thread you'll see i didn't believe it either when someone started saying they had ps3's at their local electronics store.
So your point rests on nothing but your personal opinion, people you've talked to, and other anecdotal crap? Great..just checking.
the ps3 was supposed to smash everything
Smash everything? I think you're thinking of Wii controllers there.
Smash everything? I think you're thinking of Wii controllers there.
Haha, that still cracks me up. I can totally imagine my cousin launching his Wii controller into his own TV. Classic.
Smash everything? I think you're thinking of Wii controllers there.
Haha... They should've made the controller with a nurf material. So, was it the baseball, golf, or tenis?
Consumers wary of buying new high-definition DVD players because of a technology war reminiscent of the days of Betamax versus VHS will soon have a new kind of DVD that might make the decision less daunting.
Warner Brothers, which helped popularize the DVD more than a decade ago, plans to announce next week a single videodisc that can play films and television programs in both Blu-ray and HD-DVD, the rival DVD technologies.
Warner Brothers, a division of Time Warner, plans to formally announce the new disc, which it is calling a Total HD disc, at the Consumer Electronics Show in Las Vegas on Tuesday.
Two rival camps introduced high-definition DVD players last year: a consortium called Blu-ray, backed by Sony and others, and a group called HD-DVD, backed by Toshiba and Microsoft. Retail and media executives say this clash of corporate titans and their incompatible machines has left some consumers bewildered and has slowed the introduction of what is intended to be the next great thing in home entertainment.
Executives at Time Warner and its Hollywood subsidiary hope to spur sales of new DVD players and movies by gaining the support of retailers and cajoling rival studios into making their film and television libraries available in both formats on a single disc.
In addition to reviving the ghost of the war that marked the introduction of videocassettes in the 1980s, the high-definition battle has been exacerbated by the decision of several major studios to support only one of the technologies.
Thus, for instance, a copy of 20th Century Fox?s ?Ice Age: The Meltdown? is available only on Blu-ray, while Universal?s ?The Break-Up? can be viewed only on a disc and player built with HD-DVD technology.
Barry M. Meyer, the chairman and chief executive of Warner Brothers, said in an interview that the company came up with the Total HD disc after concluding that neither Blu-ray nor HD-DVD was going the way of Betamax anytime soon.
?The next best thing is to recognize that there will be two formats and to make that not a negative for the consumer,? Mr. Meyer said. ?We felt that the most significant constituency for us to satisfy was the consumer first, and the retailer second. The retailer wants to sell hardware and doesn?t want to be forced into stocking two formats for everything. This is ideal for them.?
In a world besotted with gadgetry, few consumer products have generated as much excitement ? and head-scratching ? as high-definition television. Flat-screen, high-definition TVs have been flying off the shelves for the last year and are now as common in homes as coffee pots. Yet few people are actually watching superclear high-definition programming.
Part of the disconnect is the lack of high-definition programming on cable and satellite television, and the additional outlay for decoder boxes and premium channels needed to get it. The rival movie player technologies have further blurred the outlook for high definition. Richard Greenfield, an analyst at Pali Capital, predicted in a recent report that this would be the first year since the introduction of the DVD that consumer spending on the discs would decline, putting pressure on the studios that rely heavily on them for profits.
For now, Sony; Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer, which is owned by private equity firms in partnership with the Comcast Corporation and Sony; 20th Century Fox, a division of the News Corporation; and Walt Disney Pictures are all exclusively releasing their DVDs in Blu-ray.
Universal Studios, which is owned by General Electric, is releasing only in HD-DVD. Warner and Paramount Pictures, a division of Viacom, are issuing DVDs in both formats.
Behind these allegiances are complex strategic questions revolving around everything from manufacturing costs to profit margins, debates over each format?s technical strengths and weaknesses, and how these players relate to Microsoft and Sony?s video-game strategies.
(Blu-ray players are built into the new Sony PlayStation 3, while Microsoft is selling HD-DVD drives that attach to its Xbox 360.)
Another wrinkle is plans by LG Electronics, and possibly other gadget makers attending the Las Vegas conference, to announce new DVD players with drives for both formats; however, such players will most likely be initially more expensive than other players.
Jeffrey L. Bewkes, the president of Time Warner, said the Total HD disc has a better chance of catching on than dual players. Research commissioned by Warner indicates that consumers are willing to pay several dollars more than current high-definition DVDs for a disc that works on both players. At the Web site for Best Buy, Warner?s ?Superman Returns? DVD was selling yesterday for $19.99 in its standard format, $29.99 for Blu-ray and $34.99 for HD-DVD.
Still, it is not clear whether news of Warner?s Total HD disc would convince the studio heads who are backing one format or the other to release their wares in both. Sony, of course, has placed a big bet on Blu-ray?s success and does not want to relive the sting of Betamax?s defeat. The number of studios committed solely to Blu-ray has been seen as a competitive edge, particularly because HD-DVD came to market several months ahead of Blu-ray.
And HD-DVD?s boosters say they doubt gaming fans who have been snapping up the just-introduced PlayStation 3 will take advantage of its built-in Blu-ray player and buy movies as well as video games.
In recent interviews, executives at Fox and Disney were unequivocal in their support for Blu-ray. They said they believed that releasing DVDs in both formats would only prolong confusion and the emergence of a winning format. ?I think the fastest way to end the format war is through decisiveness and strength,? said Bob Chapek, the president of Buena Vista Worldwide Entertainment, the home video arm of Walt Disney.
Like other Blu-ray proponents and partners, Mr. Chapek said that he favors Blu-ray because of its greater storage capacity and other attributes. HD-DVD offers the same vivid picture by storing less information on its disc, which means fewer minutes of video and other features. However, among its perceived advantages, HD-DVD players are less expensive and also play standard DVDs, while Blu-ray players do not.
Because of manufacturing complexities, the Total HD disc will not contain a standard format version, said Kevin Tsujihara, the president of Warner Brothers Home Entertainment Group. However, several months ago the company filed patents for a new disc incorporating all three formats, which it could produce in the future.
Mr. Tsujihara described the new disc as an elegant way for studios to make their content available more widely ?in a way that is not conceding defeat? for the format they have been backing.
In the short term, Total HD would actually add to the number of formats retailers will have to stock, raising it from three to four. However, Irynne V. MacKay, senior vice president for entertainment products at Circuit City, said she supported the idea because it took pressure off consumers puzzling over which format to invest in. ?The simpler the future is for us, the better,? said Ms. MacKay.
Damn...winds of change
http://forums.highdefdigest.com/showthread.php?t=1473
we may just see Uni players and hybrid discs take the flag.