I'm with Onlooker. I cant understand why people would go for an inferior product...
Blu Ray beats HD-DVD in... Everything.
Capacity is enough for me to go with Blu-ray if I were an unbiased consumer (which I'm not, I work on Blu-ray titles at work ).
? I want to be able to burn all the DV footage that I take and get it to my sister who lives in rural Virginia (dial-up only) without massive compression.
? I'd love to get her many episodes of Nigella Feasts in full HD quality and any other programs that she can't get way out on the farm.
? I want the highest capacity disc to store all of the digital media that I've created since I got my first digital camera (Apple QuickTake in '94) and stick it in my safe.
? I'd love to consolidate the hundreds of DVD backups that I have at home as safeties for my clients (redundantly backed up to AIT-3 at work).
I have yet to read an article that said blu-ray quality was better than hd-dvd. Every side to side comparison I've seen hd-dvd has a bit sharper quality. They are extremely close... But every single person I HAVE HEARD FROM has concluded hd-dvd quality is a tad higher... lets call it 1-5% better.".
You mentioned durability... something I'm unaware of there?
I don't think most consumers are that discriminating in terms of video quality. Many if not most think DVD quality is pretty damn good. Going to HD is another huge jump. But a tiny bit of difference between HD DVD and Blu-ray? Most won't care.
As for durability, it's well known that HD DVD will scratch as easily as DVDs, since it uses the same technology. Blu-ray discs are hardcoated. Some have been demonstrated to withstand attacks with steel wool with minimal damage. There've been anecdotal reports that Netflix HD DVDs are often arriving as badly scratched as most DVDs while their Blu-ray rentals are pristine.
. . . There've been anecdotal reports that Netflix HD DVDs are often arriving as badly scratched as most DVDs while their Blu-ray rentals are pristine.
Now that is real world testing. Thanks for posting it. I had considered Blu-Ray's higher capacity to be the main difference, but I'm adding durability to my list of advantages.
As for durability, it's well known that HD DVD will scratch as easily as DVDs, since it uses the same technology. Blu-ray discs are hardcoated. Some have been demonstrated to withstand attacks with steel wool with minimal damage. There've been anecdotal reports that Netflix HD DVDs are often arriving as badly scratched as most DVDs while their Blu-ray rentals are pristine.
Hmm.... So, the DVD's & HD-DVD's with such a abusive netflix scratches won't play or something? Most of the toddler handled DVD's play fine, and I have bunch of them that went through even harsher abuse on the carpet that will play w/out a hiccup.
That sucks. You'd think in this day in age (especially with anti-copy protection) they would have added something a little more durable.
It's the same, old vicious circle. Back in the day, when color television was being developed, the system that they finally chose was picked partly because it was compatible with the black & white system that was widespread. They didn't want to jump to a higher quality system because it would be incompatible. That's why we've been plagued by flickering, poor color gamut NTSC ever since.
HD DVD is the same thing. They keep harping that it's less expensive to produce because they use the same processes. But the problem is keeping the same processes means keeping the same disadvantages.
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Originally Posted by bitemymac
Hmm.... So, the DVD's & HD-DVD's with such a abusive netflix scratches won't play or something? Most of the toddler handled DVD's play fine, and I have bunch of them that went through even harsher abuse on the carpet that will play w/out a hiccup.
I've received plenty of DVDs from Netflix that wouldn't play, even after washing with dishwashing detergent and drying. If I then checked it with RipIt4Me (sorry, it's more capable than anything on the Mac side), that would report that the errors were not intentionally mastered, meaning they're definitely defects, not copy protection.
I've received plenty of DVDs from Netflix that wouldn't play, even after washing with dishwashing detergent and drying. If I then checked it with RipIt4Me (sorry, it's more capable than anything on the Mac side), that would report that the errors were not intentionally mastered, meaning they're definitely defects, not copy protection.
Dishwashing detergent? Ye gods.
Use a soft cloth and some Pledge (or any other cleaner with Teflon) and it'll resurface the disc nicely.
I've received plenty of DVDs from Netflix that wouldn't play, even after washing with dishwashing detergent and drying. If I then checked it with RipIt4Me (sorry, it's more capable than anything on the Mac side), that would report that the errors were not intentionally mastered, meaning they're definitely defects, not copy protection.
Just like some dvd players can read scratched discs better than the other, there are drives that are better with abused discs. If I were to recommend, the LiteOn drives are excellent ripper for backing up discs. BTW, soap will only remove grease, but I think pledge or tooth paste trick or even using a auto care fine rubbing compounds does wonders.
I have yet to read an article that said blu-ray quality was better than hd-dvd. Every side to side comparison I've seen hd-dvd has a bit sharper quality. They are extremely close... But every single person I HAVE HEARD FROM has concluded hd-dvd quality is a tad higher... lets call it 1-5% better.
This one comes to mind. Compares many different movies on xbox360 vs ps3.
While I expect a lot of you to tear that url to shreds. I have seen a side by side comparison of Last Samurai at Fry's... I liked the hd-dvd better. I don't think the end consumer cares about how much a disc can hold as long as the quality is "kick-ass".
You mentioned durability... something I'm unaware of there?
Disclaimer: I'm still on the fence. I'm more leaning towards the side of skipping this generation of media all together. I'd much rather have the movie on my computer and stream it, than own the media. I wish AppleTV did 1080i.
The original Blu-Ray disks were not using new codecs (VC-1, or MPEG4) for some reason. They have since pretty much standardized quality across platforms, and Blu-Ray has released some titles using the VC-1 codec, but it's not all about the codec because I have read a review that said Full Metal Jacket looked better on Blu-Ray using MPEG-2 than on HD-DVD.
Me I'm waiting for a Blu-Ray carousel player before I start buying movies again.
The original Blu-Ray disks were not using new codecs (VC-1, or MPEG4) for some reason. They have since pretty much standardized quality across platforms, and Blu-Ray has released some titles using the VC-1 codec, but it's not all about the codec because I have read a review that said Full Metal Jacket looked better on Blu-Ray using MPEG-2 than on HD-DVD.
Me I'm waiting for a Blu-Ray carousel player before I start buying movies again.
Actually, some noisy transfers did look better on BD, another example is Tomb Raider, but it's because of Sammy BD player has a bug having Noise Reduction feature on all the time and cleaned out the noise whether you wanted or not. However, NR filter on good transfer disc will show it's own side effects.
Use a soft cloth and some Pledge (or any other cleaner with Teflon) and it'll resurface the disc nicely.
Since they're not my discs, I go with whatever the owner (in this case, Netflix) recommends. At the time, they said to use dishwashing detergent. If they were my own discs, I would experiment with all sorts of compounds.
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Originally Posted by bitemymac
Just like some dvd players can read scratched discs better than the other, there are drives that are better with abused discs. If I were to recommend, the LiteOn drives are excellent ripper for backing up discs. BTW, soap will only remove grease, but I think pledge or tooth paste trick or even using a auto care fine rubbing compounds does wonders.
Any time I received bad discs, I tried them in everything I had. Standalone player, Powerbook, Powermac, homebrew PC. 95% of the time, nothing will read the bad sectors. Occasionally, the more sophisticated ripping algorithms in RipIt4Me could recover them, but that's the exception rather than the rule.
Since they're not my discs, I go with whatever the owner (in this case, Netflix) recommends. At the time, they said to use dishwashing detergent. If they were my own discs, I would experiment with all sorts of compounds.
Any time I received bad discs, I tried them in everything I had. Standalone player, Powerbook, Powermac, homebrew PC. 95% of the time, nothing will read the bad sectors. Occasionally, the more sophisticated ripping algorithms in RipIt4Me could recover them, but that's the exception rather than the rule.
If you pick up a cheap Chinese DVD player, they are quite often the best with scratched DVDs as they have increased the tracking tolerances (or something similar) to play their cheap DVD copies. Having lived in China I speak from experience...
Since they're not my discs, I go with whatever the owner (in this case, Netflix) recommends. At the time, they said to use dishwashing detergent. If they were my own discs, I would experiment with all sorts of compounds.
Heh. No criticism involved. But try Pledge next time. I think you'll be pleased.
Despite price differences, high-definition stand-alone Blu-ray and HD DVD players are neck-and-neck in sales, according to the NPD Group.
Between April and December, 48% of high-def stand-alones sold were Blu-ray and the remaining 52% were HD DVD. Blu-ray stand-alones, including models by Sony, Samsung, Philips and Pioneer, are priced at about $1,000 and up. In contrast, certain Toshiba HD DVD models can be found for about $500.
One possible contributing factor to the results is that retailers have noted tight Toshiba inventory relative to the flusher availability of stand-alone Blu-ray players.
Also, there are more Blu-ray manufacturers than HD DVD manufacturers releasing stand-alone players.
NPD’s data excludes sales of high-def gaming devices, the Blu-ray-compatible PlayStation 3 and Xbox 360’s HD DVD drive. NPD plans to update this information on a quarterly basis.
Wow, this doesn't even go into the PS3 effect and with 2nd generation, cheaper Blu-ray players on the horizon, with even more capability, and with even more content to be had, yet again, it seems the HD DVD supporting talking points are dissapearing.
Keep in mind too, that Sony's, Panasonic's, Pioneer's, and Philips players came after October. We very well may see the standalone players from Blu-ray dwarf HD DVDs as well sometime this year.
Just like some dvd players can read scratched discs better than the other, there are drives that are better with abused discs. If I were to recommend, the LiteOn drives are excellent ripper for backing up discs. BTW, soap will only remove grease, but I think pledge or tooth paste trick or even using a auto care fine rubbing compounds does wonders.
Mother's Aluminum Polish works, at least on CDs. You just have to be careful to rub from center to edge, not in a circular motion.
HD-DVD has a bit of a boost for week ending Jan 21.
JAN 14TH numbers
YTD: BR 100% HD DVD 38.36%
SI: BR 92.4% HD DVD 100%
JAN 21ST numbers
YTD: BR 100% HD DVD 50.1%
SI: BR 82.3% HD DVD 100%
A Global Optical Storage Industry Report seems to think that HD-DVD will be popular for now, but transitional, with BRD taking more foot in 2009. If it has any merit, this might drag out a while.
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I'm with Onlooker. I cant understand why people would go for an inferior product...
Blu Ray beats HD-DVD in... Everything.
Capacity is enough for me to go with Blu-ray if I were an unbiased consumer (which I'm not, I work on Blu-ray titles at work
? I want to be able to burn all the DV footage that I take and get it to my sister who lives in rural Virginia (dial-up only) without massive compression.
? I'd love to get her many episodes of Nigella Feasts in full HD quality and any other programs that she can't get way out on the farm.
? I want the highest capacity disc to store all of the digital media that I've created since I got my first digital camera (Apple QuickTake in '94) and stick it in my safe.
? I'd love to consolidate the hundreds of DVD backups that I have at home as safeties for my clients (redundantly backed up to AIT-3 at work).
Bigger is better.
Blu-ray > HD-DVD
P.S. I have a PS3 and 11 BD discs.
I have yet to read an article that said blu-ray quality was better than hd-dvd. Every side to side comparison I've seen hd-dvd has a bit sharper quality. They are extremely close... But every single person I HAVE HEARD FROM has concluded hd-dvd quality is a tad higher... lets call it 1-5% better.".
You mentioned durability... something I'm unaware of there?
I don't think most consumers are that discriminating in terms of video quality. Many if not most think DVD quality is pretty damn good. Going to HD is another huge jump. But a tiny bit of difference between HD DVD and Blu-ray? Most won't care.
As for durability, it's well known that HD DVD will scratch as easily as DVDs, since it uses the same technology. Blu-ray discs are hardcoated. Some have been demonstrated to withstand attacks with steel wool with minimal damage. There've been anecdotal reports that Netflix HD DVDs are often arriving as badly scratched as most DVDs while their Blu-ray rentals are pristine.
. . . There've been anecdotal reports that Netflix HD DVDs are often arriving as badly scratched as most DVDs while their Blu-ray rentals are pristine.
Now that is real world testing. Thanks for posting it. I had considered Blu-Ray's higher capacity to be the main difference, but I'm adding durability to my list of advantages.
As for durability, it's well known that HD DVD will scratch as easily as DVDs, since it uses the same technology. Blu-ray discs are hardcoated. Some have been demonstrated to withstand attacks with steel wool with minimal damage. There've been anecdotal reports that Netflix HD DVDs are often arriving as badly scratched as most DVDs while their Blu-ray rentals are pristine.
Hmm.... So, the DVD's & HD-DVD's with such a abusive netflix scratches won't play or something? Most of the toddler handled DVD's play fine, and I have bunch of them that went through even harsher abuse on the carpet that will play w/out a hiccup.
That sucks. You'd think in this day in age (especially with anti-copy protection) they would have added something a little more durable.
It's the same, old vicious circle. Back in the day, when color television was being developed, the system that they finally chose was picked partly because it was compatible with the black & white system that was widespread. They didn't want to jump to a higher quality system because it would be incompatible. That's why we've been plagued by flickering, poor color gamut NTSC ever since.
HD DVD is the same thing. They keep harping that it's less expensive to produce because they use the same processes. But the problem is keeping the same processes means keeping the same disadvantages.
Hmm.... So, the DVD's & HD-DVD's with such a abusive netflix scratches won't play or something? Most of the toddler handled DVD's play fine, and I have bunch of them that went through even harsher abuse on the carpet that will play w/out a hiccup.
I've received plenty of DVDs from Netflix that wouldn't play, even after washing with dishwashing detergent and drying. If I then checked it with RipIt4Me (sorry, it's more capable than anything on the Mac side), that would report that the errors were not intentionally mastered, meaning they're definitely defects, not copy protection.
I've received plenty of DVDs from Netflix that wouldn't play, even after washing with dishwashing detergent and drying. If I then checked it with RipIt4Me (sorry, it's more capable than anything on the Mac side), that would report that the errors were not intentionally mastered, meaning they're definitely defects, not copy protection.
Dishwashing detergent? Ye gods.
Use a soft cloth and some Pledge (or any other cleaner with Teflon) and it'll resurface the disc nicely.
I've received plenty of DVDs from Netflix that wouldn't play, even after washing with dishwashing detergent and drying. If I then checked it with RipIt4Me (sorry, it's more capable than anything on the Mac side), that would report that the errors were not intentionally mastered, meaning they're definitely defects, not copy protection.
Just like some dvd players can read scratched discs better than the other, there are drives that are better with abused discs. If I were to recommend, the LiteOn drives are excellent ripper for backing up discs. BTW, soap will only remove grease, but I think pledge or tooth paste trick or even using a auto care fine rubbing compounds does wonders.
His point is clear but inappropriate in this case. It has no merit.
......
that just speaks of SO many posts so far
In regards to what movies I would like to buy, well, here's a good list...
The Terminator
Terminator 2: Judgment Day
Kingdom of Heaven: The Director's Cut
Fantastic Four
Black Hawk Down
Rocky
First Blood
Planet of the Apes
Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest
Pirates of the Caribbean: The Curse of the Black Pearl
im planning on a PS3 when its released here, but i have yet to honestly see anything that id like to buy on BR
my list (admittedly ONLY taken from your short list) are really not films im hugely botherd about, i MIGHT get them at some point.
this worrys me, but then im getting PS3 for the games 1st..... i think
I have yet to read an article that said blu-ray quality was better than hd-dvd. Every side to side comparison I've seen hd-dvd has a bit sharper quality. They are extremely close... But every single person I HAVE HEARD FROM has concluded hd-dvd quality is a tad higher... lets call it 1-5% better.
This one comes to mind. Compares many different movies on xbox360 vs ps3.
http://www.gamescentral.com/blogs/te...vd-vs-dvd.aspx
While I expect a lot of you to tear that url to shreds. I have seen a side by side comparison of Last Samurai at Fry's... I liked the hd-dvd better. I don't think the end consumer cares about how much a disc can hold as long as the quality is "kick-ass".
You mentioned durability... something I'm unaware of there?
Disclaimer: I'm still on the fence. I'm more leaning towards the side of skipping this generation of media all together. I'd much rather have the movie on my computer and stream it, than own the media. I wish AppleTV did 1080i.
The original Blu-Ray disks were not using new codecs (VC-1, or MPEG4) for some reason. They have since pretty much standardized quality across platforms, and Blu-Ray has released some titles using the VC-1 codec, but it's not all about the codec because I have read a review that said Full Metal Jacket looked better on Blu-Ray using MPEG-2 than on HD-DVD.
Me I'm waiting for a Blu-Ray carousel player before I start buying movies again.
The original Blu-Ray disks were not using new codecs (VC-1, or MPEG4) for some reason. They have since pretty much standardized quality across platforms, and Blu-Ray has released some titles using the VC-1 codec, but it's not all about the codec because I have read a review that said Full Metal Jacket looked better on Blu-Ray using MPEG-2 than on HD-DVD.
Me I'm waiting for a Blu-Ray carousel player before I start buying movies again.
Actually, some noisy transfers did look better on BD, another example is Tomb Raider, but it's because of Sammy BD player has a bug having Noise Reduction feature on all the time and cleaned out the noise whether you wanted or not. However, NR filter on good transfer disc will show it's own side effects.
Dishwashing detergent? Ye gods.
Use a soft cloth and some Pledge (or any other cleaner with Teflon) and it'll resurface the disc nicely.
Since they're not my discs, I go with whatever the owner (in this case, Netflix) recommends. At the time, they said to use dishwashing detergent. If they were my own discs, I would experiment with all sorts of compounds.
Just like some dvd players can read scratched discs better than the other, there are drives that are better with abused discs. If I were to recommend, the LiteOn drives are excellent ripper for backing up discs. BTW, soap will only remove grease, but I think pledge or tooth paste trick or even using a auto care fine rubbing compounds does wonders.
Any time I received bad discs, I tried them in everything I had. Standalone player, Powerbook, Powermac, homebrew PC. 95% of the time, nothing will read the bad sectors. Occasionally, the more sophisticated ripping algorithms in RipIt4Me could recover them, but that's the exception rather than the rule.
Since they're not my discs, I go with whatever the owner (in this case, Netflix) recommends. At the time, they said to use dishwashing detergent. If they were my own discs, I would experiment with all sorts of compounds.
Any time I received bad discs, I tried them in everything I had. Standalone player, Powerbook, Powermac, homebrew PC. 95% of the time, nothing will read the bad sectors. Occasionally, the more sophisticated ripping algorithms in RipIt4Me could recover them, but that's the exception rather than the rule.
If you pick up a cheap Chinese DVD player, they are quite often the best with scratched DVDs as they have increased the tracking tolerances (or something similar) to play their cheap DVD copies. Having lived in China I speak from experience...
Since they're not my discs, I go with whatever the owner (in this case, Netflix) recommends. At the time, they said to use dishwashing detergent. If they were my own discs, I would experiment with all sorts of compounds.
Heh. No criticism involved. But try Pledge next time. I think you'll be pleased.
Heh. No criticism involved. But try Pledge next time. I think you'll be pleased.
It's just a coincidence that your user name is 'gloss,' right?
High-def player sales even, says NPD Group
http://www.videobusiness.com/article....html?nid=2705
Despite price differences, high-definition stand-alone Blu-ray and HD DVD players are neck-and-neck in sales, according to the NPD Group.
Between April and December, 48% of high-def stand-alones sold were Blu-ray and the remaining 52% were HD DVD. Blu-ray stand-alones, including models by Sony, Samsung, Philips and Pioneer, are priced at about $1,000 and up. In contrast, certain Toshiba HD DVD models can be found for about $500.
One possible contributing factor to the results is that retailers have noted tight Toshiba inventory relative to the flusher availability of stand-alone Blu-ray players.
Also, there are more Blu-ray manufacturers than HD DVD manufacturers releasing stand-alone players.
NPD’s data excludes sales of high-def gaming devices, the Blu-ray-compatible PlayStation 3 and Xbox 360’s HD DVD drive. NPD plans to update this information on a quarterly basis.
Wow, this doesn't even go into the PS3 effect and with 2nd generation, cheaper Blu-ray players on the horizon, with even more capability, and with even more content to be had, yet again, it seems the HD DVD supporting talking points are dissapearing.
Keep in mind too, that Sony's, Panasonic's, Pioneer's, and Philips players came after October. We very well may see the standalone players from Blu-ray dwarf HD DVDs as well sometime this year.
It's just a coincidence that your user name is 'gloss,' right?
Completely. It's called 'I don't know what I want my username to be so I'll just put the first thing that comes to mind' syndrome.
Just like some dvd players can read scratched discs better than the other, there are drives that are better with abused discs. If I were to recommend, the LiteOn drives are excellent ripper for backing up discs. BTW, soap will only remove grease, but I think pledge or tooth paste trick or even using a auto care fine rubbing compounds does wonders.
Mother's Aluminum Polish works, at least on CDs. You just have to be careful to rub from center to edge, not in a circular motion.
JAN 14TH numbers
YTD: BR 100% HD DVD 38.36%
SI: BR 92.4% HD DVD 100%
JAN 21ST numbers
YTD: BR 100% HD DVD 50.1%
SI: BR 82.3% HD DVD 100%
A Global Optical Storage Industry Report seems to think that HD-DVD will be popular for now, but transitional, with BRD taking more foot in 2009. If it has any merit, this might drag out a while.