I don't see anything about video out. Does the iPod touch support it? How about the iPod Classic?
Two things lead me to believe that the iPod nano, iPod classic, and iPod touch all support video out. They all have the following information listed in the connectivity section of their tech specs, "USB through dock connector; component and composite video through dock connector (with AV cables or kit, sold separately); audio through headphone jack" listed here, http://www.apple.com/ipodtouch/specs.html
Also, Apple lists their AV cable as an available accessory for these iPod models.
What I am trying to figure out is if I can use my iTalk pro with the new iPod touch. I can't figure out if it will record. Please let me know if you find out if the iPod touch will record.
I love how rude people are when confronted with frustration that someone might have. Instead of saying: Did you hear about x? or did you think about y? Then just launch full on into "shut up" or "get out" -- when the frustration wasn't even originally directed at them.
I just found out about the Classics. That model was buried underneath all the other iPod announcements.
Thanks for the person who told me I should check it out.
I connect to the computer via bluetooth, and drag the MP3's to the phone's Audio folder. They then show up in the ring tone menu.
That used to be possible here in canada, now it's not. We get stuck with the ringtone price bs now. Had an older SE phone bluetooth dragging galore, new SE phone, it tell me that media cannot be used as a ringtone.
The same happened with my gf going from SE to Moto.
Ringtones are not free on new model cellphones in north america, stop trying to insist they are.
There is one I'm very familiar with: tube vs valve.
I must say that I'm on the side of the British on this one.
I often bemused by the fact that any Anglo/American forum often descends into this sort of banter. Especially as this is meant to be one discussing Apple products, there seems to be a love/hate relationship between the Americans and British, we support each others ill-conceived foreign policy initiatives but then bicker over whether it's spelt programme or program, get over it!
I thought the Apple controller for the ATV was supposed to do that for you. That was the entire point. Control your computers video's and music from your living room. You shouldn't need an iPod to do that.
If you do, then something is wrong.
What you describe requires both an ATV and a TV. The TV is in a different room to the Hi-Fi so there would be no screen to look at. I don't see the point of the ATV and doubt I will ever get one.
I've got no money, so I'm not getting any of these products, but the iPod touch is a step in the right direction. Anyone know- is the screen optical quality glass like the iPhone?
By the time I can afford a new computer, the iPod touch will have all of the missing features (email, chat, etc...) and have a much larger capacity. Plus it'll be cheaper, I'm sure. Basically it will be a the perfect tablet if the screen were upped to 5 inches; if it had mail, it could integrate with Leopard's new mail reminders thing, and that'd be great for getting down quick notes and stuff.
I think the iPod touch is sort of a gamble. Not everyone will get one. I think the iPod classic, however, is a very solid, competitive product, and it certainly blows the zune out of the water with its new capacity.
If some kind hackers would make a skype mod. or application I could throw away my mobile phone at last.
How would you communicate without a mic?
There was a way of recording brief snippets on the old iPods... or longer stretches. How is that done?
I mean... if you had an iphone headphones+mic (or similar).... could that be used to provide skype via iPot over wifi? (though... I'm not sure that is much use).
the iPod nano, iPod classic, and iPod touch all support video out. They all have the following information listed in the connectivity section of their tech specs
Yes, I read the same, I'm most pleased. In fact, that's something the iPod touch does that the iPhone doesn't.
On a related note - while the old iPod used to play video to the TV, it didn't present any kind of TV interface to users. I wonder if the new iPods provide a frontrow interface when connected to your TV??
Incredible! The perfect replacement for Palm? but it has no Bluetooth!
People said the same sort of things about the original iPods. No tuner! No voice recorder! It'll never sell!
Apple has the ability to pick the minimum core feature set that the vast majority of people will be satisfied with - and wrap it in a great UI. People are now used to the iPod interface, and videos on the iPod. Apple has taken one more step: How about some Wi-fi with that?
In a year or six months perhaps they'll add Bluetooth. Then as component prices come down and battery power goes up, they'll add wireless USB.
Regardless of what Apple does, there will soon be a good sized developer community for these OS X derived products. It will soon be as easy as going to VersionTracker and downloading a package to install new software on the Touch and iPhone. IMHO, that will make these things fly off the shelves.
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Missing apps on the Touch? Wait a month or two and they will appear. There's a lot of space there to be filled with icons.
Doubtful. I've been around the block a few times on devices like this, and quality development communities never sustain themselves around closed systems like this. An OS update and Poof! all your development efforts could be wasted. Sure, a few hackers will do some very nice things with this device, BUT without Apple's blessing your user community will be small and the motivation won't be there.
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AT&T may force Apple's hand to lock out the third party developers - can't have "wild" software messing with the cell network. But the Touch has no such compulsion. Apple has already shown with the Apple TV that they are willing to turn a blind eye to the hacker community. The Touch brings the same thing with it.
Bah! This has little to do with AT&T. A decent security model can sandbox most any app, as long as the user takes minimal discretion in what to install. If OS X isn't that secure/stable, we shouldn't be using it.
What I'm guessing is more likely is that Jobs sees $$$ in licensing access to developers, much like they have done with games on the other iPods and other video game console companies do. Personally I expect this will be a bad approach for the iPhone/iPod touch, and eventually Apple will have to make an SDK available. "Killer apps" for PDA-like devices have typically come from the ground up, a small developer sees a need and writes the app him/herself. Developers like that would never get an audience with Apple to have a shot at the license (plus they wouldn't have the up-front capital). Apps that come from the big software houses will be re-hashes of uninnovative stuff. Apple would be better off making an SDK available and then charging for premiere spots on their downloads site to vendors.
Of course, my guess at Apple's intentions could be wrong. Apple may be rushing along at finishing up their public SDK, cleaning up code in the iPhone/iPod touch to safely handle 3rd party apps, and this will all show up in Xcode 3 when Leopard is released.
Apple turns a blind eye because there is currently little profit to be lost in most of the hacking/development efforts. They've already sold you the device, maybe other hackers will buy one too. If you break it in the process, they could refuse warranty coverage. How much would they sue you for anyhow?
I think it sucks that they don't recalculate the prices here in Belgium! It's $399 in the US for a 16gb model, and ?399 here for the same one. If I recalculate with the latest currencies, I get ?292 as result!
I think I'm going to have it sent to me by a US friend..
Does anyone know if it would be possible to ad iPhone widgets such as notes, games, etc. to the iPod touch?
There was a way of recording brief snippets on the old iPods... or longer stretches. How is that done?
I mean... if you had an iphone headphones+mic (or similar).... could that be used to provide skype via iPot over wifi? (though... I'm not sure that is much use).
With appropriate firmware, it was possible to use the headphone jack in reverse as a microphone input to record audio on older (pre 5G) iPods.
With the 5G iPod, the dock connector has dedicated line-in pins (assuming you have an accessory attached to the connector which makes use of the correct pins, and assuming you have software on the iPod capable of using it).
So it's not inconceivable that microphone inputs might be possible (and maybe not all that hard to do) for the iPod Touch too. Add to that a Skype application, and pervasive "free" WiFi (which is not entirely unheard of some urban or collegiate settings) and you've got all the communication capability you could want.
Would I be able to go to my Colleges website and access my email by logging in through the site? Also the entire campus is wireless so would browsing cost me anything ($$$) on the Touch?
Apple doesn't charge you to use WiFi, so it'd depend on your WiFi provider (most campuses I've been around it's free to students/faculty/staff).
If it'd work depends on how your campus authorizes/authenticates wireless. It certainly won't work where I'm at, but I suspect this place is the exception and not typical. If you just log in over a standard web page, or if your campus validates on your device's hardware Internet address, then it should work fine. If your campus requires some kind of 3rd party software to be installed, then it is unlikely to work.
So 6 generations and they still haven't figured out how to put an FM radio in? How many years will it take for them to add a feature that almost every other MP3 player has had for years?! What genius decided it should store contacts and calendar information (that is most likely already stored in the users phone, computer, work computer, email account, etc.) but not have a radio?
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Here's a list off the top of my head of things the iPhone has that the iPod touch doesn't. Feel free to add anything I've missed...
Phone App
SMS
Camera
Stocks App
Google Maps
Weather App
Email
Bluetooth
External Speaker
Included Accessories:
Dock
USB Power Adapter
I don't see anything about video out. Does the iPod touch support it? How about the iPod Classic?
Two things lead me to believe that the iPod nano, iPod classic, and iPod touch all support video out. They all have the following information listed in the connectivity section of their tech specs, "USB through dock connector; component and composite video through dock connector (with AV cables or kit, sold separately); audio through headphone jack" listed here, http://www.apple.com/ipodtouch/specs.html
Also, Apple lists their AV cable as an available accessory for these iPod models.
What I am trying to figure out is if I can use my iTalk pro with the new iPod touch. I can't figure out if it will record. Please let me know if you find out if the iPod touch will record.
Does the Touch have the same "buried" headset port like the iPhone? Anyone know?
No, the iPod touch does not have a buried headset port. At least not according these two sources, http://iphone.macworld.com/2007/09/i...sed_head_1.php
and
http://www.apple.com/ipodtouch/360/
I would assume the dock would be the same on both eventually.
The iPhone's dock has got a grey mesh in the background, while the iPod Touch's dock is a shiny black floor
I think the price drop means we'll see a 16GB iPhone soon.
me too! I also think that the 28th september availability for US compared to 3 days in Europe means at IFA we will see 8gb and 16gb iphones.
me too! I also think that the 28th september availability for US compared to 3 days in Europe means at IFA we will see 8gb and 16gb iphones.
who's saying 3 days in europe? over here it'll be the 28th of september as well. at least according to apples german site.
I love how rude people are when confronted with frustration that someone might have. Instead of saying: Did you hear about x? or did you think about y? Then just launch full on into "shut up" or "get out" -- when the frustration wasn't even originally directed at them.
I just found out about the Classics. That model was buried underneath all the other iPod announcements.
Thanks for the person who told me I should check it out.
I'm less frustrated by Apple now.
I was both those people!
who's saying 3 days in europe? over here it'll be the 28th of september as well. at least according to apples german site.
I've checked italy and england apple online stores this morning around 9 and it was 3 days.
However I went back now and saw that they changed the day, its now 28th of september all over Europe.
I'm on AT&T's basic $49/month plan.
I connect to the computer via bluetooth, and drag the MP3's to the phone's Audio folder. They then show up in the ring tone menu.
That used to be possible here in canada, now it's not. We get stuck with the ringtone price bs now. Had an older SE phone bluetooth dragging galore, new SE phone, it tell me that media cannot be used as a ringtone.
The same happened with my gf going from SE to Moto.
Ringtones are not free on new model cellphones in north america, stop trying to insist they are.
That's why they're called idiomatic expressions.
There is one I'm very familiar with: tube vs valve.
I must say that I'm on the side of the British on this one.
I often bemused by the fact that any Anglo/American forum often descends into this sort of banter. Especially as this is meant to be one discussing Apple products, there seems to be a love/hate relationship between the Americans and British, we support each others ill-conceived foreign policy initiatives but then bicker over whether it's spelt programme or program, get over it!
I thought the Apple controller for the ATV was supposed to do that for you. That was the entire point. Control your computers video's and music from your living room. You shouldn't need an iPod to do that.
If you do, then something is wrong.
What you describe requires both an ATV and a TV. The TV is in a different room to the Hi-Fi so there would be no screen to look at. I don't see the point of the ATV and doubt I will ever get one.
I've got no money, so I'm not getting any of these products, but the iPod touch is a step in the right direction. Anyone know- is the screen optical quality glass like the iPhone?
By the time I can afford a new computer, the iPod touch will have all of the missing features (email, chat, etc...) and have a much larger capacity. Plus it'll be cheaper, I'm sure. Basically it will be a the perfect tablet if the screen were upped to 5 inches; if it had mail, it could integrate with Leopard's new mail reminders thing, and that'd be great for getting down quick notes and stuff.
I think the iPod touch is sort of a gamble. Not everyone will get one. I think the iPod classic, however, is a very solid, competitive product, and it certainly blows the zune out of the water with its new capacity.
Ze nano is ze phatty!!!
If some kind hackers would make a skype mod. or application I could throw away my mobile phone at last.
How would you communicate without a mic?
There was a way of recording brief snippets on the old iPods... or longer stretches. How is that done?
I mean... if you had an iphone headphones+mic (or similar).... could that be used to provide skype via iPot over wifi? (though... I'm not sure that is much use).
the iPod nano, iPod classic, and iPod touch all support video out. They all have the following information listed in the connectivity section of their tech specs
Yes, I read the same, I'm most pleased. In fact, that's something the iPod touch does that the iPhone doesn't.
On a related note - while the old iPod used to play video to the TV, it didn't present any kind of TV interface to users. I wonder if the new iPods provide a frontrow interface when connected to your TV??
Incredible! The perfect replacement for Palm? but it has no Bluetooth!
People said the same sort of things about the original iPods. No tuner! No voice recorder! It'll never sell!
Apple has the ability to pick the minimum core feature set that the vast majority of people will be satisfied with - and wrap it in a great UI. People are now used to the iPod interface, and videos on the iPod. Apple has taken one more step: How about some Wi-fi with that?
In a year or six months perhaps they'll add Bluetooth. Then as component prices come down and battery power goes up, they'll add wireless USB.
- Jasen.
Regardless of what Apple does, there will soon be a good sized developer community for these OS X derived products. It will soon be as easy as going to VersionTracker and downloading a package to install new software on the Touch and iPhone. IMHO, that will make these things fly off the shelves.
[...]
Missing apps on the Touch? Wait a month or two and they will appear. There's a lot of space there to be filled with icons.
Doubtful. I've been around the block a few times on devices like this, and quality development communities never sustain themselves around closed systems like this. An OS update and Poof! all your development efforts could be wasted. Sure, a few hackers will do some very nice things with this device, BUT without Apple's blessing your user community will be small and the motivation won't be there.
AT&T may force Apple's hand to lock out the third party developers - can't have "wild" software messing with the cell network. But the Touch has no such compulsion. Apple has already shown with the Apple TV that they are willing to turn a blind eye to the hacker community. The Touch brings the same thing with it.
Bah! This has little to do with AT&T. A decent security model can sandbox most any app, as long as the user takes minimal discretion in what to install. If OS X isn't that secure/stable, we shouldn't be using it.
What I'm guessing is more likely is that Jobs sees $$$ in licensing access to developers, much like they have done with games on the other iPods and other video game console companies do. Personally I expect this will be a bad approach for the iPhone/iPod touch, and eventually Apple will have to make an SDK available. "Killer apps" for PDA-like devices have typically come from the ground up, a small developer sees a need and writes the app him/herself. Developers like that would never get an audience with Apple to have a shot at the license (plus they wouldn't have the up-front capital). Apps that come from the big software houses will be re-hashes of uninnovative stuff. Apple would be better off making an SDK available and then charging for premiere spots on their downloads site to vendors.
Of course, my guess at Apple's intentions could be wrong. Apple may be rushing along at finishing up their public SDK, cleaning up code in the iPhone/iPod touch to safely handle 3rd party apps, and this will all show up in Xcode 3 when Leopard is released.
Apple turns a blind eye because there is currently little profit to be lost in most of the hacking/development efforts. They've already sold you the device, maybe other hackers will buy one too. If you break it in the process, they could refuse warranty coverage. How much would they sue you for anyhow?
I think I'm going to have it sent to me by a US friend..
Does anyone know if it would be possible to ad iPhone widgets such as notes, games, etc. to the iPod touch?
There was a way of recording brief snippets on the old iPods... or longer stretches. How is that done?
I mean... if you had an iphone headphones+mic (or similar).... could that be used to provide skype via iPot over wifi? (though... I'm not sure that is much use).
With appropriate firmware, it was possible to use the headphone jack in reverse as a microphone input to record audio on older (pre 5G) iPods.
With the 5G iPod, the dock connector has dedicated line-in pins (assuming you have an accessory attached to the connector which makes use of the correct pins, and assuming you have software on the iPod capable of using it).
So it's not inconceivable that microphone inputs might be possible (and maybe not all that hard to do) for the iPod Touch too. Add to that a Skype application, and pervasive "free" WiFi (which is not entirely unheard of some urban or collegiate settings) and you've got all the communication capability you could want.
Would I be able to go to my Colleges website and access my email by logging in through the site? Also the entire campus is wireless so would browsing cost me anything ($$$) on the Touch?
Apple doesn't charge you to use WiFi, so it'd depend on your WiFi provider (most campuses I've been around it's free to students/faculty/staff).
If it'd work depends on how your campus authorizes/authenticates wireless. It certainly won't work where I'm at, but I suspect this place is the exception and not typical. If you just log in over a standard web page, or if your campus validates on your device's hardware Internet address, then it should work fine. If your campus requires some kind of 3rd party software to be installed, then it is unlikely to work.