Apple unveils iPod touch and iTunes Wi-Fi Music Store

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  • Reply 301 of 311
    Folks, play nicely. That's an order - or I'm sending down Ensign Redshirt with phasers set to "wet noodle".
  • Reply 302 of 311
    Aah, can you smell the fresh air that's the confined, damp and at times hot, at times cold space of the internet forum, in turn connected to inumerable spheres of "context of reference" from within which users pick their words. Sometimes these contexts connect and sometimes they simply won't.



    Anyhow, we're not indifferent to the iTouch, that's for sure. For Apple indifference could be worse than if we simply hated it.



    I'm contemplating whether I should get one or not (i.e. do I want this result or not: Traveling funds 0 - iPod touch 1) but the needle is currently pointing towards "Get" since I have a thing for all-in-one solutions well done (we'll see when the reviews start dropping in but I love the concept of the iPhone, only I don't want the phone/camera). I have an old Dell Axim x50v and for some reason its hardware is still one of the best out there for PDA but I'm just not friends with the interface/GUI (I'm currently trying out the unofficial Win Mobile 6 version) and then there's the whole sync issue (I'm aware of Missing Sync et al). The iTouch will probably win me over, hopefully feeling more coherent and generally more responsive. So to all the iPhone hackers up for making some apps for the iTouch: Go! Go! Go!
  • Reply 303 of 311
    melgrossmelgross Posts: 33,565member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by vinea View Post




    You're too funny Mel. Just like the useless stuff on NANDs which you steadfastly argued would never drop in price this year? Ooops.



    You know that the forum has an ignore feature. You never have to read a thing I write ever again. Buh bye!



    Vinea



    Again, you either, out of ignorance, or sheer willfullness, misrepresent my position. I NEVER said that those prices wouldn't drop this year. I said that they wouldn't drop to the extent that you said they would, and so far, they haven't.



    We all know they're dropping.
  • Reply 304 of 311
    vineavinea Posts: 5,585member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by melgross View Post


    Again, you either, out of ignorance, or sheer willfullness, misrepresent my position. I NEVER said that those prices wouldn't drop this year. I said that they wouldn't drop to the extent that you said they would, and so far, they haven't.



    We all know they're dropping.



    Really? They haven't? Odd because even the store that you used as a benchmark now offers the Samsung 1.8" 32GB micro-ATA SSD for $509. Sold out at the moment.



    Samsung 2.5" 32GB are $749.



    SanDisk 1.8" 32GB ZIF is $575.



    32GB ExpressCard SSDs are only $489.



    http://www.dvnation.com/nand-flash-ssd.html



    Prices are here buddy and denial isn't just a river in Egypt.



    Should drop even more if Apple has moved from the older NAND to Samsung's new NAND and as Toshiba's production hits its stride and provides 2Gb NAND to SanDisk. Have to see about the fat nanos. I think they have but until I see part numbers hard to know for sure. But if they have, suddenly all that flash that went toward Nanos is now available for the Samsung SSDs.



    Under $600 for 32GB SSD...not even OEM but RETAIL. Shipping today as Jobs might say. Whether it was shipping in August which was 6 months after that thread I dunno...I didn't check. It may amaze you but I don't much care about you or think about you at all even here except when the odd posting strikes me as incorrect.



    $300 for 32GB by the end of the year very probable for OEMs as projected by Toshiba. Possibly that's the current pricing depending on the margins for the retail parts.

    Heck...we're at $489 retail for 32GB. SSD margns are not what one would traditionally call anemic even if NAND pricing has been in freefall.



    Oh...for reference your estimates of flash pricing in 2007:



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by melgross View Post


    So that will be around $1,200 retail, assuming the price holds by the time sometime mid-year, when it might be produced That is what we would pay for it, if it were in a device. Good price for what it is, but far more than Apple, or any other manufacturer, would pay for these purposes.



    So yet again. CAN!



    V



    PS For the record, both Toshiba and Samsung slipped production by a month or two (from what were expecting in March). In time for the new iPods but not in time for the iPhone although the expectation is that the 16Gb iPhone is on its way.
  • Reply 305 of 311
    melgrossmelgross Posts: 33,565member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by vinea View Post


    Really? They haven't? Odd because even the store that you used as a benchmark now offers the Samsung 1.8" 32GB micro-ATA SSD for $509. Sold out at the moment.



    Samsung 2.5" 32GB are $749.



    SanDisk 1.8" 32GB ZIF is $575.



    32GB ExpressCard SSDs are only $489.



    http://www.dvnation.com/nand-flash-ssd.html



    Prices are here buddy as predicted and denial isn't just a river in Egypt.



    Should drop even more if Apple has moved from the older NAND to Samsung's new NAND and as Toshiba's production hits its stride and provides 2Gb NAND to SanDisk.



    Under $600 for 32GB SSD...not even OEM but RETAIL. Shipping today as Jobs might say.



    So yet again. CAN!



    Except that you were claiming $350 for 32 Gb before now. I was claiming MAYBE $600 by now. Who is closer?
  • Reply 306 of 311
    vineavinea Posts: 5,585member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by melgross View Post


    Except that you were claiming $350 for 32 Gb before now. I was claiming MAYBE $600 by now. Who is closer?



    LOL. You were claiming $1200 by now. Read your own post. Jeez. Trying to claim my position in order to pretend to be "right" is just plain silly when you can click the link and see exactly what you were arguing in March.



    Where Teno and I were wrong about is what Apple would do for the iPhone launch. They didn't up the memory or lower price in favor of higher launch margins. They choose to do the price drops now instead (a mere two months later...pretty much on the 6 month mark). Notice the $200 price drop you have previously stated you didn't expect? Notice the expectation of a 16Gb version soon?



    And regarding $350 for 32GB yes, that's happened already and it happened back in the March to boot. To OEMs as stated and jeez, you're still claiming it never will happen even though RETAIL pricing is a mere $500 now. Yah think that 32 GB SSDs are really costing OEMs more than $300 right now?



    $300 retail by end of 2007 was another prediction and it's possible. 15% decline in prices in June alone although prices are going to stabilize for the new NANDs. However, if Nanos, iPod Touch and iPhones move to the new NAND then all those old parts are freed and those "old" parts from 2006 are exactly the same ones we see in the 32GB SSDs.



    29 new fabs came online in 2007. Including Samsung's new 300mm NAND fab in Austin.
  • Reply 307 of 311
    I understand that the iPod Touch doesn't come with the Mail application. If you've just got to have the mail app, you can always buy and iPhone and not activate it on the AT&T net, then you've pretty much got a iPod Touch with wifi, but with mail!!
  • Reply 308 of 311
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    Originally Posted by mydo View Post


    No email? WTF?



    Safari can access any web based email you want.
  • Reply 309 of 311
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    Capacity really is my issue and I'm upset that Apple continues to not respond to a segment of the iPod user community that keeps clamoring for larger capacity.. Otherwise I adore iPods. But I have a large music collection and I use my iPod in a number of situations (underground radio shows, club performances, etc.) where having access to my entire collection is preferable.



    What do you mean by 160GB classic?



    http://www.apple.com/ipodclassic/



    Here's what Apple should really do to win. Invest in MiFi, connecting your iPod touch to your home computer using iTunes and then stream ANYTHING on your home computer's drive. That way, the iPod wouldn't even need an expensive storage solution, they could massively up the battery capacity (or hell add a new one) and just have a good 1gb of internal memory for the OS and buffering songs or videos. The net will be wireless everywhere soon, it's the only natural future. Server side processing is super important if you want the client to be sleek, sexy and seem 600% more powerful than it is.
  • Reply 310 of 311
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    Originally Posted by Mr. H View Post


    People still go on about this?



    The iPod is by far the best selling mp3 player out there. So clearly having a radio isn't that important to most people. There is the iPod radio remote for those who really want it. Also, who wants to listen to the radio when they've got a jukebox full of their own music to listen to?



    When there are things on the radio that aren't on your mp3 player like morning talk shows, sports games, traffic reports, weather, news, etc. Plus, where do you hear new music if all you ever listen to is the music you've already got?
  • Reply 311 of 311
    takeotakeo Posts: 446member
    Many thanks for the CoverBuddy tip. Yup... you could use it's web interface to stream the iTunes library on my home computer to my home stereo via AirTunes / AirPort. Pretty cool.



    I have to say tho'... compared to the native iPod interface... CoverBuddy's web interface is clunky. Which it would be of course... bring a web app. It works... and it's cool... but it ain't like flying thru a huge list with the clickwheel or touch... or using coverflow. Still... it only costs 20 bucks... and it would mean I could go with an iPod Touch since I wouldn't need an iPod big enough to hold all my music. Tempting.



    Still... I think my solution is going to be a 160GB iPod Classic + Belkin's TuneStage II Bluetooth streaming device. I would prefer to use the native iPod interface and it would still be nice to be able to carry my entire music collection with me in my pocket. I currently don't own any iPod (and never have).
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