What consumer would buy a player that only plays 25% of the high def movies available?
The same ones that bought HDDVD discs thinking they'd play in their regular DVD players. The average consumer has never been described as tech savvy. The average consumer thinks they'll get good advice from the blue-shirts at Best Buy after all.
The Ratio (or %) of 10:1 can be 10 unit to 1 or 10 million to 1 million.... but what are the actual units being moved? Are you that naive not knowing what unit ratio means vs. the real unit volumes? How does your stats show there is increase in demand of unit volume for HDM(Blu-Ray) players?
The numbers are (from The Digital Bits):
Blu-ray Disc - 15,257 units
HD-DVD - 14,558 units
That was prior to the Warner announcement, which came on 1/4. Now here's how the January Week 2 unit sales data for each format looked AFTER the announcement (for the week ending 1/12)...
That was prior to the Warner announcement, which came on 1/4. Now here's how the January Week 2 unit sales data for each format looked AFTER the announcement (for the week ending 1/12)...
So Tosh are trying to catch some fish/animal.. only to EAT them later, hardly an encouraging turn of phrase, oh EVIL Tosh, what a meanie corporation they are peddling their proprietary format, truly the next UMD cos, hey, it only works in their players right? re-brands a go-go.
If all the people who bought BD players and or believe the figures, be they ratio or cold hard numbers (as JLL has kindly provided) are what you would term "fanboys"
What does that make someone like you still shouting "LA LA LA, I'm not listening" fingers proudly in ears as you dance around the falling HD tent with a notice stuck on your back that reads "I will buy a BD player once its reached $400, scratch that $300, scratch that $200, scratch that $100.. scra...."
You are very funny sometimes, but if you buy shares in something, I'd be very wise to SELL
That was prior to the Warner announcement, which came on 1/4. Now here's how the January Week 2 unit sales data for each format looked AFTER the announcement (for the week ending 1/12)...
Blu-ray Disc - 21,770 units
HD-DVD - 1,758 units
Thanks, good reading.
I now await the "AHH!!! but Amazon sales ranks show the opposite"
So... 30K HDM units moved before Warner announcement. (Even smaller niche than I thought)
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Originally Posted by JLL
That was prior to the Warner announcement, which came on 1/4. Now here's how the January Week 2 unit sales data for each format looked AFTER the announcement (for the week ending 1/12)...
Blu-ray Disc - 21,770 units
HD-DVD - 1,758 units
23K HDM units moved after Warner announcement. So, HDM market is now a shrinking niche?
before: 30k units
after: 23k units
What happened to all the HDM sideliners jumping in? So, who won what, again?
If you were to predict the HDM market with this one time event, then the HDM market is doomed because it shrunk about 30% after the Warner announcement. So, HDM market is shrinking for rest of the year?.....
But the reality is that the HDM niche market is so small that almost no one cares other than few PS3 gamers and AV enthusiasts. So, your support of blu-ray will not make you or the HDM optical disc a winner, yet.
What consumer would buy a player that only plays 25% of the high def movies available?
Another wrong information.
Even when not counting what Warner has released on HD-DVD's, the actual number of exclusive catalog titles are about 45% HD-DVD to 55% Blu-Ray, since Paramount and Universal library is bigger than Warner and rest of the individual Blu-Ray exclusive studios.
As I've said before, the only way I can see for Toshiba to get back into the game is to have Microsoft and/or Nintendo publicly endorse the format for their next-gen consoles. That's the only way to end concerns about the discs becoming obsolete. Failing that, I believe HD-DVD is dead.
However, the Blu-Rayers have spent so much time declaring victory and spewing FUD about Microsoft that they have yet to realize that Apple has declared war and is fighting them on another front.
If 30,000 HD players were sold before Christmas and numbers are down to 25,000 or so for the next few months, the AppleTV/iTunes combo is going to beat those numbers handily.
As for the "people want to collect their movies with discs and real artwork" nonsense, that's exactly what was said before Napster appeared and altered the course of the music industry forever.
You just don't get what this format war means in a niche of the niche market. It's like being in a special olympic.
30k units is just a sad number no mater how you spin it. I'm sure SACD & DVD-A did better than that when the universal players were getting popular.
I also own two universal players for SACD & DVD-A playback.. I'm just a sucker for a niche product.
30K/week + PS3 sales of 110K/week = 140K/week. Once you count the run up to Christmas, this amounts to probably 10 million units a year. Not a niche market.
As I've said before, the only way I can see for Toshiba to get back into the game is to have Microsoft and/or Nintendo publicly endorse the format for their next-gen consoles. That's the only way to end concerns about the discs becoming obsolete. Failing that, I believe HD-DVD is dead.
However, the Blu-Rayers have spent so much time declaring victory and spewing FUD about Microsoft that they have yet to realize that Apple has declared war and is fighting them on another front.
If 30,000 HD players were sold before Christmas and numbers are down to 25,000 or so for the next few months, the AppleTV/iTunes combo is going to beat those numbers handily.
As for the "people want to collect their movies with discs and real artwork" nonsense, that's exactly what was said before Napster appeared and altered the course of the music industry forever.
Okay, I'll jump in.
Napster is a bad analogy.
MP3 Players are portable and thus functional with you feeling you 'own' your files. We accept a degraded audio track to save space and money.
DVD and especially HD video doesn't save space nor do we want a degraded copy. We also aren't walking/jogging [exercising in general], driving in our cars and more watching movies and maintaining our awareness of our surroundings.
Movies aren't an on-the-go industry.
On demand content will always have a market. It won't surpass the market of collecting movies/tv series shows in HD Format.
People will most certainly download to the AppleTV and buy a rental session to watch a movie.
The movies they love will see them going and purchasing a BD hardcopy for their collection.
It's done today in both the audio and video markets.
Most people still rip their music to their iPod. They aren't buying ten thousand songs off of the iTunes store.
More than one movie and the battle with the Black Knight is more impressive when you quote the entire line that includes the counter line about cutting his leg clean off.
BD is that counter line. In fact, that entire scene is reminiscent of the BD vs. HD-DVD battle.
Arthur [BD] wins and the Black Knight [HD-DVD] is left incapable of moving and countering Arthur leaving nothing but a sarcastic, bloody stump left to bleed to death.
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What consumer would buy a player that only plays 25% of the high def movies available?
The same ones that bought HDDVD discs thinking they'd play in their regular DVD players. The average consumer has never been described as tech savvy. The average consumer thinks they'll get good advice from the blue-shirts at Best Buy after all.
The Ratio (or %) of 10:1 can be 10 unit to 1 or 10 million to 1 million.... but what are the actual units being moved? Are you that naive not knowing what unit ratio means vs. the real unit volumes? How does your stats show there is increase in demand of unit volume for HDM(Blu-Ray) players?
The numbers are (from The Digital Bits):
Blu-ray Disc - 15,257 units
HD-DVD - 14,558 units
That was prior to the Warner announcement, which came on 1/4. Now here's how the January Week 2 unit sales data for each format looked AFTER the announcement (for the week ending 1/12)...
Blu-ray Disc - 21,770 units
HD-DVD - 1,758 units
The numbers are (from The Digital Bits):
Blu-ray Disc - 15,257 units
HD-DVD - 14,558 units
That was prior to the Warner announcement, which came on 1/4. Now here's how the January Week 2 unit sales data for each format looked AFTER the announcement (for the week ending 1/12)...
Blu-ray Disc - 21,770 units
HD-DVD - 1,758 units
Tis but a scratch.
the J6P may take the bait
So Tosh are trying to catch some fish/animal.. only to EAT them later, hardly an encouraging turn of phrase, oh EVIL Tosh, what a meanie corporation they are peddling their proprietary format, truly the next UMD cos, hey, it only works in their players right? re-brands a go-go.
If all the people who bought BD players and or believe the figures, be they ratio or cold hard numbers (as JLL has kindly provided) are what you would term "fanboys"
What does that make someone like you still shouting "LA LA LA, I'm not listening" fingers proudly in ears as you dance around the falling HD tent with a notice stuck on your back that reads "I will buy a BD player once its reached $400, scratch that $300, scratch that $200, scratch that $100.. scra...."
You are very funny sometimes, but if you buy shares in something, I'd be very wise to SELL
The numbers are (from The Digital Bits):
Blu-ray Disc - 15,257 units
HD-DVD - 14,558 units
That was prior to the Warner announcement, which came on 1/4. Now here's how the January Week 2 unit sales data for each format looked AFTER the announcement (for the week ending 1/12)...
Blu-ray Disc - 21,770 units
HD-DVD - 1,758 units
Thanks, good reading.
I now await the "AHH!!! but Amazon sales ranks show the opposite"
I wonder will you get called a "fanboy" as well?
I wonder will you get called a "fanboy" as well?
Indeed.
Fanboy is AI's own personal F-bomb lately.
So true.
The numbers are (from The Digital Bits):
Blu-ray Disc - 15,257 units
HD-DVD - 14,558 units
So... 30K HDM units moved before Warner announcement. (Even smaller niche than I thought)
That was prior to the Warner announcement, which came on 1/4. Now here's how the January Week 2 unit sales data for each format looked AFTER the announcement (for the week ending 1/12)...
Blu-ray Disc - 21,770 units
HD-DVD - 1,758 units
23K HDM units moved after Warner announcement. So, HDM market is now a shrinking niche?
before: 30k units
after: 23k units
What happened to all the HDM sideliners jumping in? So, who won what, again?
If you were to predict the HDM market with this one time event, then the HDM market is doomed because it shrunk about 30% after the Warner announcement. So, HDM market is shrinking for rest of the year?.....
But the reality is that the HDM niche market is so small that almost no one cares other than few PS3 gamers and AV enthusiasts. So, your support of blu-ray will not make you or the HDM optical disc a winner, yet.
What consumer would buy a player that only plays 25% of the high def movies available?
Another wrong information.
Even when not counting what Warner has released on HD-DVD's, the actual number of exclusive catalog titles are about 45% HD-DVD to 55% Blu-Ray, since Paramount and Universal library is bigger than Warner and rest of the individual Blu-Ray exclusive studios.
before: 30k units
after: 23k units
yeah, before and after xmas
As I've said before, the only way I can see for Toshiba to get back into the game is to have Microsoft and/or Nintendo publicly endorse the format for their next-gen consoles. That's the only way to end concerns about the discs becoming obsolete. Failing that, I believe HD-DVD is dead.
However, the Blu-Rayers have spent so much time declaring victory and spewing FUD about Microsoft that they have yet to realize that Apple has declared war and is fighting them on another front.
If 30,000 HD players were sold before Christmas and numbers are down to 25,000 or so for the next few months, the AppleTV/iTunes combo is going to beat those numbers handily.
As for the "people want to collect their movies with discs and real artwork" nonsense, that's exactly what was said before Napster appeared and altered the course of the music industry forever.
Tis but a scratch.
That's a great punch line for The Princess Bride, but get over it already.
HD-DVD has lost.
yup, looks like I won't get an answer.
before: 30k units
after: 23k units
yeah, before and after xmas
You just don't get what this format war means in a niche of the niche market. It's like being in a special olympic.
30k units is just a sad number no mater how you spin it. I'm sure SACD & DVD-A did better than that when the universal players were getting popular.
I also own two universal players for SACD & DVD-A playback.. I'm just a sucker for a niche product.
That's a great punch line for The Princess Bride, but get over it already.
HD-DVD has lost.
#1 - I think it is from Monty Python's search for the holy grail
#2 - he was being sarcastic
You just don't get what this format war means in a niche of the niche market. It's like being in a special olympic.
30k units is just a sad number no mater how you spin it. I'm sure SACD & DVD-A did better than that when the universal players were getting popular.
I also own two universal players for SACD & DVD-A playback.. I'm just a sucker for a niche product.
30K/week + PS3 sales of 110K/week = 140K/week. Once you count the run up to Christmas, this amounts to probably 10 million units a year. Not a niche market.
hmmm
Okay, I'll jump back into the fire.
As I've said before, the only way I can see for Toshiba to get back into the game is to have Microsoft and/or Nintendo publicly endorse the format for their next-gen consoles. That's the only way to end concerns about the discs becoming obsolete. Failing that, I believe HD-DVD is dead.
However, the Blu-Rayers have spent so much time declaring victory and spewing FUD about Microsoft that they have yet to realize that Apple has declared war and is fighting them on another front.
If 30,000 HD players were sold before Christmas and numbers are down to 25,000 or so for the next few months, the AppleTV/iTunes combo is going to beat those numbers handily.
As for the "people want to collect their movies with discs and real artwork" nonsense, that's exactly what was said before Napster appeared and altered the course of the music industry forever.
Okay, I'll jump in.
Napster is a bad analogy.
MP3 Players are portable and thus functional with you feeling you 'own' your files. We accept a degraded audio track to save space and money.
DVD and especially HD video doesn't save space nor do we want a degraded copy. We also aren't walking/jogging [exercising in general], driving in our cars and more watching movies and maintaining our awareness of our surroundings.
Movies aren't an on-the-go industry.
On demand content will always have a market. It won't surpass the market of collecting movies/tv series shows in HD Format.
People will most certainly download to the AppleTV and buy a rental session to watch a movie.
The movies they love will see them going and purchasing a BD hardcopy for their collection.
It's done today in both the audio and video markets.
Most people still rip their music to their iPod. They aren't buying ten thousand songs off of the iTunes store.
I command you, as King of the Britons, to stand aside!
BLACK KNIGHT:
I move for no man.
ARTHUR:
So be it!
ARTHUR and BLACK KNIGHT:
Aaah!, hiyaah!, etc.
[ARTHUR chops the BLACK KNIGHT's left arm off]
ARTHUR:
Now stand aside, worthy adversary.
BLACK KNIGHT:
'Tis but a scratch.
ARTHUR:
A scratch? Your arm's off!
BLACK KNIGHT:
No, it isn't.
ARTHUR:
Well, what's that, then?
BLACK KNIGHT:
I've had worse.
ARTHUR:
You liar!
BLACK KNIGHT:
Come on, you pansy!
[clang]
Huyah!
[clang]
Hiyaah!
[clang]
Aaaaaaaah!
[ARTHUR chops the BLACK KNIGHT's right arm off]
ARTHUR:
Victory is mine!
[kneeling]
We thank Thee Lord, that in Thy mer--
BLACK KNIGHT:
Hah!
[kick]
Come on, then.
ARTHUR:
What?
BLACK KNIGHT:
Have at you!
[kick]
ARTHUR:
Eh. You are indeed brave, Sir Knight, but the fight is mine.
BLACK KNIGHT:
Oh, had enough, eh?
ARTHUR:
Look, you stupid bastard. You've got no arms left.
BLACK KNIGHT:
Yes, I have.
ARTHUR:
Look!
BLACK KNIGHT:
Just a flesh wound.
[kick]
ARTHUR:
Look, stop that.
BLACK KNIGHT:
Chicken!
[kick]
Chickennn!
ARTHUR:
Look, I'll have your leg.
[kick]
Right!
[whop]
[ARTHUR chops the BLACK KNIGHT's right leg off]
BLACK KNIGHT:
Right. I'll do you for that!
ARTHUR:
You'll what?
BLACK KNIGHT:
Come here!
ARTHUR:
What are you going to do, bleed on me?
BLACK KNIGHT:
I'm invincible!
ARTHUR:
You're a looney.
BLACK KNIGHT:
The Black Knight always triumphs! Have at you! Come on, then.
[whop]
[ARTHUR chops the BLACK KNIGHT's last leg off]
BLACK KNIGHT:
Oh? All right, we'll call it a draw.
ARTHUR:
Come, Patsy.
BLACK KNIGHT:
Oh. Oh, I see. Running away, eh? You yellow bastards! Come back here and take what's coming to you. I'll bite your legs off!
#1 - I think it is from Monty Python's search for the holy grail
#2 - he was being sarcastic
More than one movie and the battle with the Black Knight is more impressive when you quote the entire line that includes the counter line about cutting his leg clean off.
BD is that counter line. In fact, that entire scene is reminiscent of the BD vs. HD-DVD battle.
Arthur [BD] wins and the Black Knight [HD-DVD] is left incapable of moving and countering Arthur leaving nothing but a sarcastic, bloody stump left to bleed to death.