Read it. With a gig lead the Pentium 4 is 'barely' ahead. In terms of sitting down and looking at two monitors and seeing which is faster...I'd wager the perceptive difference is almost negligable.
Hmm. The x86 are doing a compelling job of defeating the mhz myth without Apple's help.
Yeesh. Not that big a difference between a 1.7 gig Athlon and a 2.8 overclocked Pantium 4.
What a laugh. Sure, if you're the kind of guy that does day(S) long renders you may save yourself some minutes here or there...
I can't wait until Apple releases the G5. It's gonna eat these guys alive.
I'll take a dual 1.6 gig G5 over any dual 3 Gig P4 from what I've seen so far.
Seems to me the Dual Gig G4 is holding its own for now...
"This leadership in manufacturing technology results in desktop microprocessors with the highest clock rates and performance in the industry. Intel's design and manufacturing improvements will help the company as it seeks to meet its target of shipping Pentium 4 processors at 3 GHz by year's end. "
Sure, marketing stuff. Still..
And, this May, expect to see the first P4 computers with 533 Mhz Rambus, and AMD PCs use 266 mhz DDR-sdram.
On the other hand, we got Apple. Still using a 5 y. old chip ( The G3), the majority of the mac shipped still got a 100 mhz sdram bus(!!!). He**, Apple is still selling a computer with 66 mhz bus!!!
But Apple is a very innovative company, designing round motherboards.
"This leadership in manufacturing technology results in desktop microprocessors with the highest clock rates and performance in the industry. Intel's design and manufacturing improvements will help the company as it seeks to meet its target of shipping Pentium 4 processors at 3 GHz by year's end. "
Sure, marketing stuff. Still..
And, this May, expect to see the first P4 computers with 533 Mhz Rambus, and AMD PCs use 266 mhz DDR-sdram.
On the other hand, we got Apple. Still using a 5 y. old chip ( The G3), the majority of the mac shipped still got a 100 mhz sdram bus(!!!). He**, Apple is still selling a computer with 66 mhz bus!!!
But Apple is a very innovative company, designing round motherboards. </strong><hr></blockquote>
Actually, there are AMD boards out there that can use the DDR 2700/333 MHz Bus (ASUS model A7V333, reference URL usa.asus.com/mb/socketa/a7v333/overview.htm), and there are already motherboards out to accept the 533 MHz FSB of the upcoming P4s (another ASUS product Model P4S533, reference URL usa.asus.com/mb/socket478/p4s533/overview.htm). VIA also just announced a new P4 chipset, the P4X333, that has provisions for AGP 8x, USB 2.0, and several other niceities (sp?). Sorry for the non-linked URLs, gotta figure out how to do it. Any help would be appreciated.
I remember something like that, not sure of the dates though. Guess we shouldn't believe the "roadmaps" of the processor manufacturers (Moto is a great example there ... huh). My earlier post is just an example that the motherboards can be out there, and the chip isn't ready (maybe the mobo has to be out there for the chip manufacturer to take action, Apple ... hope you read that last bit <hint, hint> . The nice thing about the PC mobo is that a DDR chipset can still use PC133. And no, I'm not a PC person, just kinda "turned to the Darkside recently", to learn more about architecture / design / etc (built myself a P4/DDR system to learn). I still use my Mac primarily. The PC wasn't nearly as frustrating to build as I anticipated, but "windoes" still bites. JYD has a point, Apple has got to get off its @$$ and do something quick (like yesterday), but the solution is alot more complex than alot of us notice or give credit to (the AIM alliance, contractual obligations etc). When does the contractual obligation end for that alliance (so Apple can have the processors built by someone other than Moto)? I think that is the holdup, and that will be when we see some new equipment (or slightly before)... I hope (for Apple's Sake!)
"On the other hand, we got Apple. Still using a 5 y. old chip ( The G3), the majority of the mac shipped still got a 100 mhz sdram bus(!!!). He**, Apple is still selling a computer with 66 mhz bus!!!
But Apple is a very innovative company, designing round motherboards."
This thread may have been much more prophetic than anyone realized.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Well, it may turn out that there is indeed no G5. However, I'm sure Apple will be updating the powermac line with a new processor (or next generation G4) now that the G4 is in both the low end iMac and eMac.
"However, I'm sure Apple will be updating the powermac line with a new processor (or next generation G4) now that the G4 is in both the low end iMac and eMac."
ya think? <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />
Well, it may turn out that there is indeed no G5. However, I'm sure Apple will be updating the powermac line with a new processor (or next generation G4) now that the G4 is in both the low end iMac and eMac.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Yeah, but when? My bet's on MWNY... Any takers for a date prior to that?
<strong>"However, I'm sure Apple will be updating the powermac line with a new processor (or next generation G4) now that the G4 is in both the low end iMac and eMac."
ya think? <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />
sorry I couldn't help myself. </strong><hr></blockquote>
Rickrag,
No problem. I deserved it.
I guess I should have been a little more specific. When I said next gen G4, I did not mean one that is just a faster G4 than in the iMac. I meant one that is faster and different (such as coming with RapidIO or whatever).
At this point I wouldn't necessarily be mad if the G5 didn't come out for awhile, provided Apple releases a new mobo config with ddr ram, and a really fast bus speed. Then if they stuck with the dual G4 1ghz in that new mobo, I would get one.
Comments
[ 04-02-2002: Message edited by: Slacker ]</p>
Hmm. The x86 are doing a compelling job of defeating the mhz myth without Apple's help.
Yeesh. Not that big a difference between a 1.7 gig Athlon and a 2.8 overclocked Pantium 4.
What a laugh. Sure, if you're the kind of guy that does day(S) long renders you may save yourself some minutes here or there...
I can't wait until Apple releases the G5. It's gonna eat these guys alive.
I'll take a dual 1.6 gig G5 over any dual 3 Gig P4 from what I've seen so far.
Seems to me the Dual Gig G4 is holding its own for now...
But psychologically...we need that G5.
<img src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" />
Lemon Bon Bon
<a href="http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/020402/20313_1.html"; target="_blank">http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/020402/20313_1.html</a>;
"This leadership in manufacturing technology results in desktop microprocessors with the highest clock rates and performance in the industry. Intel's design and manufacturing improvements will help the company as it seeks to meet its target of shipping Pentium 4 processors at 3 GHz by year's end. "
Sure, marketing stuff. Still..
And, this May, expect to see the first P4 computers with 533 Mhz Rambus, and AMD PCs use 266 mhz DDR-sdram.
On the other hand, we got Apple. Still using a 5 y. old chip ( The G3), the majority of the mac shipped still got a 100 mhz sdram bus(!!!). He**, Apple is still selling a computer with 66 mhz bus!!!
But Apple is a very innovative company, designing round motherboards.
<strong>Intel seems confident they will be able to ship a 3 Ghz P4 before year end:
<a href="http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/020402/20313_1.html"; target="_blank">http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/020402/20313_1.html</a>;
"This leadership in manufacturing technology results in desktop microprocessors with the highest clock rates and performance in the industry. Intel's design and manufacturing improvements will help the company as it seeks to meet its target of shipping Pentium 4 processors at 3 GHz by year's end. "
Sure, marketing stuff. Still..
And, this May, expect to see the first P4 computers with 533 Mhz Rambus, and AMD PCs use 266 mhz DDR-sdram.
On the other hand, we got Apple. Still using a 5 y. old chip ( The G3), the majority of the mac shipped still got a 100 mhz sdram bus(!!!). He**, Apple is still selling a computer with 66 mhz bus!!!
But Apple is a very innovative company, designing round motherboards.
Actually, there are AMD boards out there that can use the DDR 2700/333 MHz Bus (ASUS model A7V333, reference URL usa.asus.com/mb/socketa/a7v333/overview.htm), and there are already motherboards out to accept the 533 MHz FSB of the upcoming P4s (another ASUS product Model P4S533, reference URL usa.asus.com/mb/socket478/p4s533/overview.htm). VIA also just announced a new P4 chipset, the P4X333, that has provisions for AGP 8x, USB 2.0, and several other niceities (sp?). Sorry for the non-linked URLs, gotta figure out how to do it. Any help would be appreciated.
<img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" /> <img src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" />
<strong>Yeah, Intel also said they would have the 64bit Merced CPU out in 1999 too... or was it '98?
<img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" /> <img src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>
I remember something like that, not sure of the dates though. Guess we shouldn't believe the "roadmaps" of the processor manufacturers (Moto is a great example there ... huh). My earlier post is just an example that the motherboards can be out there, and the chip isn't ready (maybe the mobo has to be out there for the chip manufacturer to take action, Apple ... hope you read that last bit <hint, hint>
But Apple is a very innovative company, designing round motherboards."
I feel your pain.
Lemon Bon Bon
This thread may have been much more prophetic than anyone realized.
<strong>"There is no G5"
This thread may have been much more prophetic than anyone realized.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Well, it may turn out that there is indeed no G5. However, I'm sure Apple will be updating the powermac line with a new processor (or next generation G4) now that the G4 is in both the low end iMac and eMac.
ya think? <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />
sorry I couldn't help myself.
<strong>
Well, it may turn out that there is indeed no G5. However, I'm sure Apple will be updating the powermac line with a new processor (or next generation G4) now that the G4 is in both the low end iMac and eMac.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Yeah, but when? My bet's on MWNY... Any takers for a date prior to that?
Steve
<strong>"However, I'm sure Apple will be updating the powermac line with a new processor (or next generation G4) now that the G4 is in both the low end iMac and eMac."
ya think? <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />
sorry I couldn't help myself.
Rickrag,
No problem. I deserved it.
I guess I should have been a little more specific. When I said next gen G4, I did not mean one that is just a faster G4 than in the iMac. I meant one that is faster and different (such as coming with RapidIO or whatever).
Here's hoping the powermacs get a significant cpu(0.13µ process) and motherboard(DDR sdram) upgrade soon, very soon.
sssshhhhhh, be wary, wary quiet, we're hunting wabbits.
G5 in 2003 (if ever).
TING5
<strong>I'm still feeling like a winner on the original bet.....
G5 in 2003 (if ever).
TING5</strong><hr></blockquote>
Yes I take the same bet G5 in 2003.
[ 05-01-2002: Message edited by: LowB-ing ]</p>