As far as I read on the newversion directory on Apple's web site, there is no mention of version number "10.2".
Kindly correct me if I am wrong.
If so is the case, then maybe Jaguar is "10.5" or a new version scheme is being considered by Apple.
One other thing, any one familiar with FreeBSD 4.4 features? Advantages? Drawback?
Over all I think Apple is on the right track as far as features go. The might be missing on the GUI issues according to the posts I have read so far. Personally, I do not mind the brushed metal interface to the new Applications. I feel that all Apple iApplications are going to get that interface. If you don't like it, you should use the feedback link on Mac OS X page. They do listen. Better yet, if you do have a feedback, ask them to support skins, so everyone would be happy.
My main concern is the Quality control. I don't like hacks and patches. I hope this is not the case. Maybe someone who got those CDs could comment on that? Is it snappy? No more spinning rainbow ? Do you still get that spinning black and white circle from OS 9 in Carbon Apps? Any problem with preferences being saved? Any other hidden features? Such as additions to Show Info... window? New Preferences?
I will upgrade no matter what.
I just want to feel better as far as the user experience goes.
<strong>I wonder what that means exactly, though. You already can use Mail to send and receive email on Exchange servers.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Last time I checked, Mail can only interface with either POP or IMAP mail servers. Exchange is neither. We're not talking about Outlook Express here, this is different. With Exchange you need an Exchange client that can log onto the Exchange server via IP.
To date, the only client available for Mac has been the MS Outlook Exchange client for Mac (which is different than Outlook Express), and that's only been available for OS 9. They've been less than enthusiastic about creating one for OS X, apparently. But if the new version of Mail can actually interface with an Exchange server, that would solve a lot of problems for me.
The brushed metal look... makes everything so... STERILE.
Good lord!
iChat looks like crap.
I REALLY hope it has the ability to accept any icon, smilies, etc like Hotline chat/buddy list. Thats great, you can make any icon you want and everyone sees it.
The bubble chat with more than 2 people is going to be hell and look plain stupid.
For the love of god, I hope we find a way to hack the sh!t out of iChat and add MSN, Yahoo, ICQ, services as well.
<strong>Last time I checked, Mail can only interface with either POP or IMAP mail servers. Exchange is neither. We're not talking about Outlook Express here, this is different. With Exchange you need an Exchange client that can log onto the Exchange server via IP.
To date, the only client available for Mac has been the MS Outlook Exchange client for Mac (which is different than Outlook Express), and that's only been available for OS 9. They've been less than enthusiastic about creating one for OS X, apparently. But if the new version of Mail can actually interface with an Exchange server, that would solve a lot of problems for me.</strong><hr></blockquote>I send and receive email with Entourage everyday from my Exchange server at work. Before that I used Mail.app.
It's possible that your IT people have to set up the Exchange server to allow it - I don't know, but I doubt it, though. Just put in the exchange mail server address as your imap account.
The only thing I can think of is that the "extra" exchange features, like calendar and address book, will be available in Mail.app in 10.2.
But you're right, Outlook is just un-useable from Classic within X.
And the brushed metal everywhere sucks a giant butt shaft (to exclude really bad words). Although it is now a standard interface in OS X, me wonders if you can switch between aqua standard/brushed metal? Here's to hoping!
All the new goodies are looking extremely cool!!! Both under the hood and new iApps...
Now, regarding the brushed steel look, I kinda like it, or at least don't mind it much as others around here. Maybe Apple should make those iApps skinnable.
Too bad about the ExtremeQuartz thingie not being supported by my first generation TiBook... but other than that, IT ROCKS!!!
<strong>I send and receive email with Entourage everyday from my Exchange server at work. Before that I used Mail.app.
It's possible that your IT people have to set up the Exchange server to allow it - I don't know, but I doubt it, though. Just put in the exchange mail server address as your imap account.
The only thing I can think of is that the "extra" exchange features, like calendar and address book, will be available in Mail.app in 10.2.
But you're right, Outlook is just un-useable from Classic within X.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Actually, what that means is that your mail admins turned on imap services on your Exchange server. By default imap and pop are turned off. That's because of all the "special" stuff such as calendaring and scheduling and messaging and conferencing etc. that Exchange does, and neither imap nor pop support any of it, which is why you need the dedicated Exchange client if you use any of those features.
And since our company does use all those features, Mail will not work for us unless it specifically supports Exchange services, and not just imap and pop.
Of course this just makes me wonder if somebody told Steve "sure, go ahead and say Mail will work with Exchange servers", knowing that it'll only work with Exchange servers if imap or pop services are turned on.
But at the same time, as you pointed out, you could use the old (current) version of Mail if that were the case, and there would be no need to single it out as an improvement. So I'll be optimistic and assume that when he said "Exchange", he actually meant Exchange services and not just imap or pop.
I have between 700 and 800 Macs I'm going to convert over to OS X, and I don't want any of them to use Classic at all. There are two things holding us up: QuarkXPress and Outlook Exchange. So I'm hoping Apple will pull through with the new version of Mail.
Actually, what that means is that your mail admins turned on imap services on your Exchange server. By default imap and pop are turned off. That's because of all the "special" stuff such as calendaring and scheduling and messaging and conferencing etc. that Exchange does, and neither imap nor pop support any of it, which is why you need the dedicated Exchange client if you use any of those features.
And since our company does use all those features, Mail will not work for us unless it specifically supports Exchange services, and not just imap and pop.
Of course this just makes me wonder if somebody told Steve "sure, go ahead and say Mail will work with Exchange servers", knowing that it'll only work with Exchange servers if imap or pop services are turned on.
But at the same time, as you pointed out, you could use the old (current) version of Mail if that were the case, and there would be no need to single it out as an improvement. So I'll be optimistic and assume that when he said "Exchange", he actually meant Exchange services and not just imap or pop.
I have between 700 and 800 Macs I'm going to convert over to OS X, and I don't want any of them to use Classic at all. There are two things holding us up: QuarkXPress and Outlook Exchange. So I'm hoping Apple will pull through with the new version of Mail.
sounds like you're working at an ad agency. our agency has switched to indesign and left quark behind. there are some trade-offs but i've found i actually like id2.0. it's not too bad and has some features that are much better than quark.
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<strong>I dig the brushed metal look. The amount of controversy it is causing suprises me.</strong><hr></blockquote>
That's good news. It's all people can find to complain about.
Kindly correct me if I am wrong.
If so is the case, then maybe Jaguar is "10.5" or a new version scheme is being considered by Apple.
One other thing, any one familiar with FreeBSD 4.4 features? Advantages? Drawback?
Over all I think Apple is on the right track as far as features go. The might be missing on the GUI issues according to the posts I have read so far. Personally, I do not mind the brushed metal interface to the new Applications. I feel that all Apple iApplications are going to get that interface. If you don't like it, you should use the feedback link on Mac OS X page. They do listen. Better yet, if you do have a feedback, ask them to support skins, so everyone would be happy.
My main concern is the Quality control. I don't like hacks and patches. I hope this is not the case. Maybe someone who got those CDs could comment on that? Is it snappy? No more spinning rainbow ? Do you still get that spinning black and white circle from OS 9 in Carbon Apps? Any problem with preferences being saved? Any other hidden features? Such as additions to Show Info... window? New Preferences?
I will upgrade no matter what.
I just want to feel better as far as the user experience goes.
JAGUAR KICKS ASS!
<strong>I wonder what that means exactly, though. You already can use Mail to send and receive email on Exchange servers.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Last time I checked, Mail can only interface with either POP or IMAP mail servers. Exchange is neither. We're not talking about Outlook Express here, this is different. With Exchange you need an Exchange client that can log onto the Exchange server via IP.
To date, the only client available for Mac has been the MS Outlook Exchange client for Mac (which is different than Outlook Express), and that's only been available for OS 9. They've been less than enthusiastic about creating one for OS X, apparently. But if the new version of Mail can actually interface with an Exchange server, that would solve a lot of problems for me.
Will all those existing Carbon/Cocoa app break under this new OS or will just keep running....
Good lord!
iChat looks like crap.
I REALLY hope it has the ability to accept any icon, smilies, etc like Hotline chat/buddy list. Thats great, you can make any icon you want and everyone sees it.
The bubble chat with more than 2 people is going to be hell and look plain stupid.
For the love of god, I hope we find a way to hack the sh!t out of iChat and add MSN, Yahoo, ICQ, services as well.
<a href="http://news.com.com/2014-1089-0.html"; target="_blank">http://news.com.com/2014-1089-0.html</a>;
While I'm here, can people help me figure out what these <a href="http://homepage.mac.com/buonrotto/.Pictures/System Preferences.jpg" target="_blank">System Preferences</a> are?
I have:
Personal:
Desktop/ Dock/ General/ International/ Login/ My something?/ Screen Savers
Digital Hub:
Burning/ iPhoto?/ ???/ Addresses?/ iMovie
Hardware:
ColorSync/ Display/ Energy Saver/ Keyboard/ Mouse/ Sound/ Universal Access
Internet and Network:
iTools/ Network/ Quicktime/ Sharing
System:
Users?/ Classic/ Date & time/ Ink/ Software Update/ Speech/ Startup disk
Other:
???
[ 05-06-2002: Message edited by: BuonRotto ]</p>
<strong>Last time I checked, Mail can only interface with either POP or IMAP mail servers. Exchange is neither. We're not talking about Outlook Express here, this is different. With Exchange you need an Exchange client that can log onto the Exchange server via IP.
To date, the only client available for Mac has been the MS Outlook Exchange client for Mac (which is different than Outlook Express), and that's only been available for OS 9. They've been less than enthusiastic about creating one for OS X, apparently. But if the new version of Mail can actually interface with an Exchange server, that would solve a lot of problems for me.</strong><hr></blockquote>I send and receive email with Entourage everyday from my Exchange server at work. Before that I used Mail.app.
It's possible that your IT people have to set up the Exchange server to allow it - I don't know, but I doubt it, though. Just put in the exchange mail server address as your imap account.
The only thing I can think of is that the "extra" exchange features, like calendar and address book, will be available in Mail.app in 10.2.
But you're right, Outlook is just un-useable from Classic within X.
<strong>iChat doesn't look too shabby in this C|Net video:
<a href="http://news.com.com/2014-1089-0.html"; target="_blank">http://news.com.com/2014-1089-0.html</a>;
While I'm here, can people help me figure out what these <a href="http://homepage.mac.com/buonrotto/.Pictures/System Preferences.jpg" target="_blank">System Preferences</a> are?
I have:
Personal:
Desktop/ Dock/ General/ International/ Login/ My something?/ Screen Savers
Digital Hub:
Burning/ iPhoto?/ ???/ Addresses?/ iMovie
Hardware:
ColorSync/ Display/ Energy Saver/ Keyboard/ Mouse/ Sound/ Universal Access
Internet and Network:
iTools/ Network/ Quicktime/ Sharing
System:
Users?/ Classic/ Date & time/ Ink/ Software Update/ Speech/ Startup disk
Other:
???
[ 05-06-2002: Message edited by: BuonRotto ]</strong><hr></blockquote>
They are messing with the layout AGAIN??? WHY!!!
And the brushed metal everywhere sucks a giant butt shaft (to exclude really bad words). Although it is now a standard interface in OS X, me wonders if you can switch between aqua standard/brushed metal? Here's to hoping!
This picture is originally from <a href="http://forums.macnn.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=46&t=005935"; target="_blank">here</a> by "a holck" at MacNN...
now they have a Aqua "Bubble of Death"...
its pretty and cool looking...
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[ 05-06-2002: Message edited by: FERRO ]</p>
<strong>
That's good news. It's all people can find to complain about.
So true, my friend. These people would resemble a fish out of water, dying for want of oxygen, if they had nothing to complain about.
So there you go guys, bitch on about the brushed metal. Fear the day you can be positive without an asterisk.
Now, regarding the brushed steel look, I kinda like it, or at least don't mind it much as others around here. Maybe Apple should make those iApps skinnable.
Too bad about the ExtremeQuartz thingie not being supported by my first generation TiBook... but other than that, IT ROCKS!!!
:cool:
<strong>I send and receive email with Entourage everyday from my Exchange server at work. Before that I used Mail.app.
It's possible that your IT people have to set up the Exchange server to allow it - I don't know, but I doubt it, though. Just put in the exchange mail server address as your imap account.
The only thing I can think of is that the "extra" exchange features, like calendar and address book, will be available in Mail.app in 10.2.
But you're right, Outlook is just un-useable from Classic within X.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Actually, what that means is that your mail admins turned on imap services on your Exchange server. By default imap and pop are turned off. That's because of all the "special" stuff such as calendaring and scheduling and messaging and conferencing etc. that Exchange does, and neither imap nor pop support any of it, which is why you need the dedicated Exchange client if you use any of those features.
And since our company does use all those features, Mail will not work for us unless it specifically supports Exchange services, and not just imap and pop.
Of course this just makes me wonder if somebody told Steve "sure, go ahead and say Mail will work with Exchange servers", knowing that it'll only work with Exchange servers if imap or pop services are turned on.
But at the same time, as you pointed out, you could use the old (current) version of Mail if that were the case, and there would be no need to single it out as an improvement. So I'll be optimistic and assume that when he said "Exchange", he actually meant Exchange services and not just imap or pop.
I have between 700 and 800 Macs I'm going to convert over to OS X, and I don't want any of them to use Classic at all. There are two things holding us up: QuarkXPress and Outlook Exchange. So I'm hoping Apple will pull through with the new version of Mail.
[ 05-06-2002: Message edited by: Xaqtly ]</p>
[QB]iChat doesn't look too shabby in this C|Net video:
<a href="http://news.com.com/2014-1089-0.html"; target="_blank">http://news.com.com/2014-1089-0.html</a>;
While I'm here, can people help me figure out what these <a href="http://homepage.mac.com/buonrotto/.Pictures/System Preferences.jpg" target="_blank">System Preferences</a> are?
Wow, impressive deciphering there!
"iPod" after "iPhoto" in Digital Hub.
"My Addresses" in Personal -- hmmm... no... I'm not sure...
[ 05-07-2002: Message edited by: Hobbes ]</p>
<strong>Also optional is encrypted iChat with other iChat users.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Does anyone have any info on the type & strength of encryption used?
<strong>
Actually, what that means is that your mail admins turned on imap services on your Exchange server. By default imap and pop are turned off. That's because of all the "special" stuff such as calendaring and scheduling and messaging and conferencing etc. that Exchange does, and neither imap nor pop support any of it, which is why you need the dedicated Exchange client if you use any of those features.
And since our company does use all those features, Mail will not work for us unless it specifically supports Exchange services, and not just imap and pop.
Of course this just makes me wonder if somebody told Steve "sure, go ahead and say Mail will work with Exchange servers", knowing that it'll only work with Exchange servers if imap or pop services are turned on.
But at the same time, as you pointed out, you could use the old (current) version of Mail if that were the case, and there would be no need to single it out as an improvement. So I'll be optimistic and assume that when he said "Exchange", he actually meant Exchange services and not just imap or pop.
I have between 700 and 800 Macs I'm going to convert over to OS X, and I don't want any of them to use Classic at all. There are two things holding us up: QuarkXPress and Outlook Exchange. So I'm hoping Apple will pull through with the new version of Mail.
[ 05-06-2002: Message edited by: Xaqtly ]</strong><hr></blockquote>
sounds like you're working at an ad agency. our agency has switched to indesign and left quark behind. there are some trade-offs but i've found i actually like id2.0. it's not too bad and has some features that are much better than quark.