[quote]Originally posted by GardenOfEarthlyDelights:
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erm... multithreaded operations in finder were mentioned, so that takes care of many of the finder performance issues (not to mention that this means a rewrite for much of the finder in better code), GCC3.1 will speed up many things to a lesser degree and assuming you have the hardware, quartz extreme is supposed to be the mythical magic bullet that people have been whining about since OSX public beta.
so I believe the performance issue was addressed at several point in the keynote... or was it because they didn't mention the word "snappier" <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />
so I believe the performance issue was addressed at several point in the keynote... or was it because they didn't mention the word "snappier" <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" /> <hr></blockquote>
Well, if that's the case, then I'm happy. I guess I've been an engineer too long. If it's not specifically spelled out in the specifications, then it doesn't exist.
If I don't say "the performance will be snappier," when I sell you something, then don't expect it.
It's interesting that Apple would not have the license issue dealt with if QT 6 is such an important portion of 10.2. In fact rumors are that this is the major hold up off the release. It seems like the other players in the industry are intentionally slowing Apple's release of products. First the standalone QT 6 and now 10.2. I would think that Apple would have planned for this possibility. It would seem that they would not want to be dependent on some industry body to control their release of products. I'm not sure who would benefit from this delay, but there are other competing video technologies out there from Real and Microsoft.
<strong>maybe Jaguar is "10.5" or a new version scheme is being considered by Apple.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I think Apple will eventually (maybe not with Jaguar, but soon after) change the name of Mac OS X to something else entirely. Probably still "Mac OS" something, but not ten (or even "X"). The change will come with the big break from 9. 10 (X) just seems to evoke thoughts of "the next version after 9". I think Apple wants everybody to completely forget 9 as soon as possible. They'll probably move to a more Microsoftian naming scheme. Either by years like, "Mac OS 2002", or just random letters like, "Mac OS NM" (the "NM" stands for, "Not Microsoft" or "Next Millenium" or "No Metal").
To me, I think Apple should stop creating this dichotomy between their OS and their hardware. If they're really after the "whole widget" approach, having a special name for the OS beyond "iMac system software" or somesuch is detrimental to the branding of Apple computers as integrated digital hubs. (For technical purposes, builds numbers for the OS should be fine.)
Allen, QT6 has been delayed by the licensing issues with the MPEG-4 codec. Apple said it themselves, so it's not just rumor. But I don't think that's the reason for the wait on 10.2. I think Apple expects the licensing issues to be resolved by the end of summer, plus it gives them time to fully test this system, espeically when they're trying to sync it up to FreeBSD 4.4 and such. I think they want the time to get it really polished but needed to pique interest in the OS, especially with developers now, hence the time frame.
<strong>EDIT: see the rightmost button between the text entry box and the message field? Sure as hell looks like a toggle the balloon thing on and off switch to me.</strong><hr></blockquote>
It most certainly does. I prefer a less obtrusive chat window. If they added "plugins" for other services such as Yahoo and MSN I'd be stoked.
<strong>I dig the brushed metal look. The amount of controversy it is causing suprises me.</strong><hr></blockquote>
<img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" /> You're not from these boards, are you? <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />
I'll take Finder, Rendezvous, noncrashing Mail and a working printing technology. Please pass all instances of brushed metal, iApps and SpinningTearDropOfDeath to the next customer.
I wonder what Moki hinted as the super technology in the kernel? iAOL, or what? <img src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" />
I bet this will come at $199, can I sell the gimmick parts at e-bay for §99? Unused QuartzExtreme Engine for sale, first bid $1,99.
Does the FreeBSD upgrade mean that I can actually get a TCP/IP stack with up-to-date-speed? I hope so!
Any mention of the application data binding hassle? Any improvements there?
I hope Apple did not buy Watson. It might go the same way Soundjam went. They manage to turn nice software into piles of resource hogs and bugs with less function than the original and an ugly interface. <img src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" />
Any improvements interface-wise? Can someone say shelf? Nice to see SLF made it back. Looking at Apples current GUI fashion experiments I tend more and more to use the terminal, which is the only place where I enjoy the single feature of Aqua that makes sense in that context, transparency.
Ah, the most thrilling subject for me is: A Mac rackmount server! :cool:
Unfortunately they will rip your purse for it I guess. <img src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" />
I'd like to "softwareupdate" my Finder right now, not in fall.
Too bad about the ExtremeQuartz thingie not being supported by my first generation TiBook... but other than that, IT ROCKS!!!
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I am highly critical of the interface design philosophy that lies behind Aqua and especially ExtremeQuartz.
One of the beautiful things about Apple's industrial design is its efficiency and minimalism -- this is what makes the TiBook so gorgeous.
But the new "enhancements" in Aqua are actually a hindrance. For instance, the dock takes up too much screen real estate and is too slow to navigate in a hierarchical fashion. Fonts are all anti-aliased, which makes them harder to read; if you turn off the antialiasing, then they are rendered incorrectly on-screen and look really bad.
Everything in Aqua takes up more screen real estate than it should -- dialog boxes, menus, windows. Gone are the useful handles that were all around a window in Platinum.
Menus pop down slower; everything is less responsive. Finder windows in List view with several hundred items or more take 30 seconds or longer to render. This is simply unacceptable. Windows XP is way, way faster.
Open/save dialogs are not navigable by typing the first few letters of the file/foldername. This makes things much more difficult.
And what is Apple's solution? To rev up the interface with even MORE tricked out "Extreme"-ism? To make the main graphics engine require a 3D card with 32 MB of VRAM?
I hate you, Apple... you used to care about the little guy with a 3 year old computer. But now all you care about is "taking advantage of extra processor cycles." But if you do that, the computer doesn't get any faster, it just gets uglier and more complicated, with all this fake "water" looking junk flying and vibrating and pulsing around the screen like some wet acid dream. I don't want to be reminded of my days in high school tripping while in swim class every time I turn my computer on. I just want a fast interface.
Not to mention the idiotic programming that goes into software like iPhoto and iTunes. iPhoto is a piece of junk in the way it organizes your files: it makes a NEW, separate copy of every photo in your collection, and renames them to stupid names like "Roll 4 - 1242" or something. So not only does it suck for a user like me who has thousands of photos in my collection, because it renames and reorganizes all of them in a totally meaningless way, using a "Roll" metaphor that is completely foreign to digital photography and should have died with film, but also because it does not allow you to name your photo files your own way, and because it is horrendously slow, and because it does not allow you to open your photos into Photoshop directly from within it. As for iTunes, it suffers from similar stupidity, but I won't go into all its flaws.
Can you tell I'm a bit frustrated with Apple? Why? Because in a lot of ways OS X is a great thing, but they are departing so much from the original Mac interface and philosophy in ways that are very unwieldy for users like me who possess such lowly and puny computers as a PowerBook G4 550 with 512 megs of RAM. There is no excuse for ANY operating system to run sluggishly on this computer, unless it is poorly programmed with inefficient code and interface design that is simply ridiculous.
If I ever see Steve Jobs in person, I will give him a piece of my mind.
I dont know if its that XP is any faster, I`m sure if you ran OS X on a 2.5 ghz machine with a 533 bus it wouldnt be as slow. Actually i`m fine with the speed of OS X the way it is you have to atleast apprieciate modern multitasking.
[quote] Can you tell I'm a bit frustrated with Apple? <hr></blockquote>
Sounds like you're a bit frustrated about more than just Apple. Give it some time..don't be suprised to see these features "mysteriously" show up. After all little "creature comforts" make a big deal in usuage but you're not going to see Jobs highlight them in a Keynote.
not to get too off topic, but philter, have you even USED iPhoto or iTunes? From the sound of your post, I'd say no. Most of the gripes you had about iPhoto are just plain wrong. Can't open a photo in Photoshop? Ummm, yes you can. Don't be a dolt. Just because your new here doesn't give you an excuse to be stupid... Learn the facts first. Carry on.
# Developers will now have access to the "Metal" interface (in QT and iChat) via new GUI feature in all Jaguar tools. It will be available in all frameworks.
# Universal Access improvements includes full zoom support, offering users the ability to zoom into any part of the screen with support for rollovers and transparency as well as full motion DVD video. A new Screen Reader preference (in the Speech Control Panel) allows the computer to speak any text the mouse rolls over for improved navigation access. Jaguar will also include new visual notifications. All of these will have Developer APIs, allowing new applications to take advantage of the new Universal Access improvements. (Jobs did remark that Apple "was in the market for some good text-to-speech technology" after the data Victoria voice was used to speak text for the Screen Reader technology demonstration.)
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A few other details: AppleCare (Apple tech support document) searching will be shipped standard with Sherlock 3; streams will no longer need any prebuffering; Palm syncing to Address Book promised "by the end of the year."
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I've been scanning reviews on Jaguar, and I've seen all the upcoming features.
One "feature" I was hoping for was snappier performance, even if it's just perceived (i.e., fewer spinning globes of death).
Come on, Apple. I'm a horsepower junkie. If we don't get the G5, how 'bout an OS X Finder snappier than OS 9?
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I think the icon in the "Other" section in the previous blurry shot is Bluetooth.
<strong>P E R F O R M A N C E</strong><hr></blockquote>
erm... multithreaded operations in finder were mentioned, so that takes care of many of the finder performance issues (not to mention that this means a rewrite for much of the finder in better code), GCC3.1 will speed up many things to a lesser degree and assuming you have the hardware, quartz extreme is supposed to be the mythical magic bullet that people have been whining about since OSX public beta.
so I believe the performance issue was addressed at several point in the keynote... or was it because they didn't mention the word "snappier" <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />
so I believe the performance issue was addressed at several point in the keynote... or was it because they didn't mention the word "snappier" <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" /> <hr></blockquote>
Well, if that's the case, then I'm happy. I guess I've been an engineer too long. If it's not specifically spelled out in the specifications, then it doesn't exist.
If I don't say "the performance will be snappier," when I sell you something, then don't expect it.
Thanks for the clarification.
It's interesting that Apple would not have the license issue dealt with if QT 6 is such an important portion of 10.2. In fact rumors are that this is the major hold up off the release. It seems like the other players in the industry are intentionally slowing Apple's release of products. First the standalone QT 6 and now 10.2. I would think that Apple would have planned for this possibility. It would seem that they would not want to be dependent on some industry body to control their release of products. I'm not sure who would benefit from this delay, but there are other competing video technologies out there from Real and Microsoft.
Seems like poor planning!
<strong>maybe Jaguar is "10.5" or a new version scheme is being considered by Apple.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I think Apple will eventually (maybe not with Jaguar, but soon after) change the name of Mac OS X to something else entirely. Probably still "Mac OS" something, but not ten (or even "X"). The change will come with the big break from 9. 10 (X) just seems to evoke thoughts of "the next version after 9". I think Apple wants everybody to completely forget 9 as soon as possible. They'll probably move to a more Microsoftian naming scheme. Either by years like, "Mac OS 2002", or just random letters like, "Mac OS NM" (the "NM" stands for, "Not Microsoft" or "Next Millenium" or "No Metal").
Allen, QT6 has been delayed by the licensing issues with the MPEG-4 codec. Apple said it themselves, so it's not just rumor. But I don't think that's the reason for the wait on 10.2. I think Apple expects the licensing issues to be resolved by the end of summer, plus it gives them time to fully test this system, espeically when they're trying to sync it up to FreeBSD 4.4 and such. I think they want the time to get it really polished but needed to pique interest in the OS, especially with developers now, hence the time frame.
[ 05-07-2002: Message edited by: BuonRotto ]</p>
<strong>EDIT: see the rightmost button between the text entry box and the message field? Sure as hell looks like a toggle the balloon thing on and off switch to me.</strong><hr></blockquote>
It most certainly does. I prefer a less obtrusive chat window. If they added "plugins" for other services such as Yahoo and MSN I'd be stoked.
<strong>I dig the brushed metal look. The amount of controversy it is causing suprises me.</strong><hr></blockquote>
<img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" /> You're not from these boards, are you? <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />
<strong>I dig the brushed metal look. The amount of controversy it is causing suprises me.</strong><hr></blockquote>
It's gotten old, as has the "i" prefix on everything.
I wonder what Moki hinted as the super technology in the kernel? iAOL, or what? <img src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" />
I bet this will come at $199, can I sell the gimmick parts at e-bay for §99?
Does the FreeBSD upgrade mean that I can actually get a TCP/IP stack with up-to-date-speed? I hope so!
Any mention of the application data binding hassle? Any improvements there?
I hope Apple did not buy Watson. It might go the same way Soundjam went. They manage to turn nice software into piles of resource hogs and bugs with less function than the original and an ugly interface. <img src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" />
Any improvements interface-wise? Can someone say shelf? Nice to see SLF made it back. Looking at Apples current GUI fashion experiments I tend more and more to use the terminal, which is the only place where I enjoy the single feature of Aqua that makes sense in that context, transparency.
Ah, the most thrilling subject for me is: A Mac rackmount server!
Unfortunately they will rip your purse for it I guess. <img src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" />
I'd like to "softwareupdate" my Finder right now, not in fall.
My guess is that Quartz Extreme is the thing moki was referring to, given that his two primary interests are videogames and Snapz Pro.
I'm willing to be surprised, though.
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One other thing, any one familiar with FreeBSD 4.4 features? Advantages? Drawback?
</strong><hr></blockquote>
Why is FreeBSD 4.4 even worth mentioning while the current version is 4.5 and version 5.0 is in late Beta?
<a href="http://www.freebsd.org/"; target="_blank">http://www.freebsd.org/</a>;
Too bad about the ExtremeQuartz thingie not being supported by my first generation TiBook... but other than that, IT ROCKS!!!
< < <
I am highly critical of the interface design philosophy that lies behind Aqua and especially ExtremeQuartz.
One of the beautiful things about Apple's industrial design is its efficiency and minimalism -- this is what makes the TiBook so gorgeous.
But the new "enhancements" in Aqua are actually a hindrance. For instance, the dock takes up too much screen real estate and is too slow to navigate in a hierarchical fashion. Fonts are all anti-aliased, which makes them harder to read; if you turn off the antialiasing, then they are rendered incorrectly on-screen and look really bad.
Everything in Aqua takes up more screen real estate than it should -- dialog boxes, menus, windows. Gone are the useful handles that were all around a window in Platinum.
Menus pop down slower; everything is less responsive. Finder windows in List view with several hundred items or more take 30 seconds or longer to render. This is simply unacceptable. Windows XP is way, way faster.
Open/save dialogs are not navigable by typing the first few letters of the file/foldername. This makes things much more difficult.
And what is Apple's solution? To rev up the interface with even MORE tricked out "Extreme"-ism? To make the main graphics engine require a 3D card with 32 MB of VRAM?
I hate you, Apple... you used to care about the little guy with a 3 year old computer. But now all you care about is "taking advantage of extra processor cycles." But if you do that, the computer doesn't get any faster, it just gets uglier and more complicated, with all this fake "water" looking junk flying and vibrating and pulsing around the screen like some wet acid dream. I don't want to be reminded of my days in high school tripping while in swim class every time I turn my computer on. I just want a fast interface.
Not to mention the idiotic programming that goes into software like iPhoto and iTunes. iPhoto is a piece of junk in the way it organizes your files: it makes a NEW, separate copy of every photo in your collection, and renames them to stupid names like "Roll 4 - 1242" or something. So not only does it suck for a user like me who has thousands of photos in my collection, because it renames and reorganizes all of them in a totally meaningless way, using a "Roll" metaphor that is completely foreign to digital photography and should have died with film, but also because it does not allow you to name your photo files your own way, and because it is horrendously slow, and because it does not allow you to open your photos into Photoshop directly from within it. As for iTunes, it suffers from similar stupidity, but I won't go into all its flaws.
Can you tell I'm a bit frustrated with Apple? Why? Because in a lot of ways OS X is a great thing, but they are departing so much from the original Mac interface and philosophy in ways that are very unwieldy for users like me who possess such lowly and puny computers as a PowerBook G4 550 with 512 megs of RAM. There is no excuse for ANY operating system to run sluggishly on this computer, unless it is poorly programmed with inefficient code and interface design that is simply ridiculous.
If I ever see Steve Jobs in person, I will give him a piece of my mind.
Sincerely
Sounds like you're a bit frustrated about more than just Apple. Give it some time..don't be suprised to see these features "mysteriously" show up. After all little "creature comforts" make a big deal in usuage but you're not going to see Jobs highlight them in a Keynote.
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# Developers will now have access to the "Metal" interface (in QT and iChat) via new GUI feature in all Jaguar tools. It will be available in all frameworks.
# Universal Access improvements includes full zoom support, offering users the ability to zoom into any part of the screen with support for rollovers and transparency as well as full motion DVD video. A new Screen Reader preference (in the Speech Control Panel) allows the computer to speak any text the mouse rolls over for improved navigation access. Jaguar will also include new visual notifications. All of these will have Developer APIs, allowing new applications to take advantage of the new Universal Access improvements. (Jobs did remark that Apple "was in the market for some good text-to-speech technology" after the data Victoria voice was used to speak text for the Screen Reader technology demonstration.)
<hr></blockquote>
A few other details: AppleCare (Apple tech support document) searching will be shipped standard with Sherlock 3; streams will no longer need any prebuffering; Palm syncing to Address Book promised "by the end of the year."
[ 05-07-2002: Message edited by: Amorph ]</p>