The store shows that both aluminum Macbook models ($1299 and $1599) get the backlit keyboard. (It's at odds with the tech specs page.)
That's probably just a mistake. Depending on your country it's fixed by now and the cheaper model comes without(even the option to upgrade) backlit keyboard.
According to the online spec sheets, there are separate keyboard descriptions for the 2.0ghz and 2.4ghz versions. One includes the word "illuminated" and one does not. There must be some truth to that.
My post was amended to show that the store, and specs page are not in agreement.
Totally agree. I was excited to hear about the new enclosure, but without Firewire, this is a downgrade from my existing MacBook. So, thanks Apple, but no-thanks.
This is a disaster. I could get used to the "shiny" screen, which is unsuitable for portables and using it in the "open air", and which i dislike because of its reflections,
but no FireWire!? i have LaCie FireWire Speakers, and although my external hard drive supports USB, i always like to use it as FireWire(400/800), beacuse USB is used anyway for other things like usb stick, keyboard/mouse and so on. But Apple makes this great and fast machine, and instead of upgrading FW400 through adding FW800, it totally drops it-its own invention!?
i really like the specs and graphics of the laptop, but as much as this i miss FW800.
I'm new, long time mac user, but have been reading for awhile. If you really want to see your complaints go to good use, and want do see change, then go here (someone else already suggested, but nothing really was done):
I'm more pissed off that I have to buy an adapter to connect the computer up to my LCD. I really don't use firewire on a regular basis anyways, but the higher price-point is a huge let down nonetheless.
The education discount is basically nothing too, they give me $50 off, wow.
That's probably just a mistake. Depending on your country it's fixed by now and the cheaper model comes without(even the option to upgrade) backlit keyboard.
Indeed, and I'm quite pleased about this. One OPTION that we still have. I'd rather have the laptop's F-keys freed up for Exposé than, in my usage, the gimmicky backlit keyboard.
Totally agree. I was excited to hear about the new enclosure, but without Firewire, this is a downgrade from my existing MacBook. So, thanks Apple, but no-thanks.
Apple is just ignoring thousands of MacBook(and other Mac-) users who have lots of FireWire equipment around. New buyers may not miss the FireWire, but what about the current Mac-users? To buy a MacBook Pro just because of FW-interface is not a solution. I dont want to spend so much money, i i want a small notebook, and i dont need 15" screen because my main screen is 24" Cinema -which btw. supports FW400.
To be clear, my original post was hours ago and at that point Apple was moving the same direction as the markets and only a couple points lower. And the NASDAQ, which is more tech centric, was down 3.5%, which is within about two points of apple's drop.
I thought the announcements today were pretty lousy. But I just think people often take the stock price out of context to try and prove their point.
I have no idea how Apple describe in their US online store since it's always "We will be back soon", but in the Norwegian store, it is stated that only the $1599 has illuminated keyboard.
There are also someone wondering why the price of the white MacBook has increased in the UK store, but it's not the case in Norway. It is not $200 cheaper though. It's just $14 cheaper than before, but at least not any more expensive. I used to reckon the price is the same across Europe, but it seems not to be that case.
I didn't put my money on them lowering the price, but not raising the price either. If I did not receive something extra that will cover this raised cost, I will most likely have ordered the white MacBook. I am still a bit let down by the price raise though.
As for the missing Firewire in the new MacBook, I don't think the vast majority will miss it, even though it is a deal-breaker for the prosumers.
I'm new, long time mac user, but have been reading for awhile. If you really want to see your complaints go to good use, and want do see change, then go here (someone else already suggested, but nothing really was done):
Also, I fully disagree that this is the "new 12" PowerBook." The size of this thing is still wider and deeper than the 12" PowerBook.
Of course it is wider, It's using a 13" screen. I said that this is the most complete successor to the 12" Powerbook Apple has made so far. The old MacBooks were larger and heavier with no real graphics card and the Air is positioned for a different market. This is aluminum with a discreet graphics card (albeit with shared memory) and it weighs well under 5lbs. It doesn't have an expresscard slot, but neither did the 12" Powerbook. Until today, I was prepared to go out and buy a Sony 13" notebook because nothing Apple made appealed to me. This does virtually everything I want (well, I wanted BluRay, but I can wait for that) at over a grand less.
Imagine how well these new MB's would have sold if they had added an expresscard slot (so we could get firewire, eSata, etc..) or just kept a firewire port AND also started at $999.
It has nothing to do with cost, if other companies can include expresscard and firewire in laptops for $599, Apple could at $999. Hell, even at $1299 that would have at least been worth it. Apple really screwed the pooch with this one.
The first half I agree with, the second half not really.
I would've thought that it would've been obvious given how AAPL started its dive at the same time as the announcement, and went down significantly more than the market as a whole, but ppl see what they want to see I guess.
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The store shows that both aluminum Macbook models ($1299 and $1599) get the backlit keyboard. (It's at odds with the tech specs page.)
That's probably just a mistake. Depending on your country it's fixed by now and the cheaper model comes without(even the option to upgrade) backlit keyboard.
According to the online spec sheets, there are separate keyboard descriptions for the 2.0ghz and 2.4ghz versions. One includes the word "illuminated" and one does not. There must be some truth to that.
My post was amended to show that the store, and specs page are not in agreement.
NO Firewire on MacBook, NO PURCHASE!
Totally agree. I was excited to hear about the new enclosure, but without Firewire, this is a downgrade from my existing MacBook. So, thanks Apple, but no-thanks.
but no FireWire!? i have LaCie FireWire Speakers, and although my external hard drive supports USB, i always like to use it as FireWire(400/800), beacuse USB is used anyway for other things like usb stick, keyboard/mouse and so on. But Apple makes this great and fast machine, and instead of upgrading FW400 through adding FW800, it totally drops it-its own invention!?
i really like the specs and graphics of the laptop, but as much as this i miss FW800.
I'm new, long time mac user, but have been reading for awhile. If you really want to see your complaints go to good use, and want do see change, then go here (someone else already suggested, but nothing really was done):
http://www.apple.com/feedback/macbook.html
Make an official complaint, and I can promise you that if enough of us do it, apple will listen - and HOPEFULLY change prices and problems!
Please please please do it! Complain about whatever you want - just make sure you include the crappy prices!
Thanks!
The education discount is basically nothing too, they give me $50 off, wow.
That's probably just a mistake. Depending on your country it's fixed by now and the cheaper model comes without(even the option to upgrade) backlit keyboard.
Indeed, and I'm quite pleased about this. One OPTION that we still have. I'd rather have the laptop's F-keys freed up for Exposé than, in my usage, the gimmicky backlit keyboard.
Totally agree. I was excited to hear about the new enclosure, but without Firewire, this is a downgrade from my existing MacBook. So, thanks Apple, but no-thanks.
Apple is just ignoring thousands of MacBook(and other Mac-) users who have lots of FireWire equipment around. New buyers may not miss the FireWire, but what about the current Mac-users? To buy a MacBook Pro just because of FW-interface is not a solution. I dont want to spend so much money, i i want a small notebook, and i dont need 15" screen because my main screen is 24" Cinema -which btw. supports FW400.
AAPL closed down 5.60% today.
To be clear, my original post was hours ago and at that point Apple was moving the same direction as the markets and only a couple points lower. And the NASDAQ, which is more tech centric, was down 3.5%, which is within about two points of apple's drop.
I thought the announcements today were pretty lousy. But I just think people often take the stock price out of context to try and prove their point.
You must have been born yesterday.
For the last 20 product introductions (often of industry-leading, immensely profitable new produts) the AAPL stock price usually went down.
You mean like after the iPhone was announced at MW '07? Stock shot up quite a lot, actually.
Stop being a fanboy.
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There are also someone wondering why the price of the white MacBook has increased in the UK store, but it's not the case in Norway. It is not $200 cheaper though. It's just $14 cheaper than before, but at least not any more expensive. I used to reckon the price is the same across Europe, but it seems not to be that case.
I didn't put my money on them lowering the price, but not raising the price either. If I did not receive something extra that will cover this raised cost, I will most likely have ordered the white MacBook. I am still a bit let down by the price raise though.
As for the missing Firewire in the new MacBook, I don't think the vast majority will miss it, even though it is a deal-breaker for the prosumers.
I thought the announcements today were pretty lousy. But I just think people often take the stock price out of context to try and prove their point.
My main point was that the announcements today were, as you said, pretty lousy, and that investors in general viewed them as pretty lousy too.
So basically, all of us are in agreement.
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just send negative feedback here please!
http://www.apple.com/feedback/macbook.html
together we can make a difference! all fanboy/rumor sites need to encourage users to send feedback here... change will happen!!!
People,
I'm new, long time mac user, but have been reading for awhile. If you really want to see your complaints go to good use, and want do see change, then go here (someone else already suggested, but nothing really was done):
http://www.apple.com/feedback/macbook.html
Make an official complaint, and I can promise you that if enough of us do it, apple will listen - and HOPEFULLY change prices and problems!
Please please please do it! Complain about whatever you want - just make sure you include the crappy prices!
EXCELLENT idea!
I'd ALSO recommend sending a few emails to sjobs@apple.com
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Also, I fully disagree that this is the "new 12" PowerBook." The size of this thing is still wider and deeper than the 12" PowerBook.
Of course it is wider, It's using a 13" screen. I said that this is the most complete successor to the 12" Powerbook Apple has made so far. The old MacBooks were larger and heavier with no real graphics card and the Air is positioned for a different market. This is aluminum with a discreet graphics card (albeit with shared memory) and it weighs well under 5lbs. It doesn't have an expresscard slot, but neither did the 12" Powerbook. Until today, I was prepared to go out and buy a Sony 13" notebook because nothing Apple made appealed to me. This does virtually everything I want (well, I wanted BluRay, but I can wait for that) at over a grand less.
It has nothing to do with cost, if other companies can include expresscard and firewire in laptops for $599, Apple could at $999. Hell, even at $1299 that would have at least been worth it. Apple really screwed the pooch with this one.
Please send comments to http://www.apple.com/feedback/macbook.html and let them know just how dissapointed we are.
My main point was that the announcements today were, as you said, pretty lousy, and that investors in general viewed them as pretty lousy too.
So basically, all of us are in agreement.
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The first half I agree with, the second half not really.
mr steve will listen to us... this is an outrage.
or alternatively, just don't buy. that would work too.
who is with me?
The first half I agree with, the second half not really.
I would've thought that it would've been obvious given how AAPL started its dive at the same time as the announcement, and went down significantly more than the market as a whole, but ppl see what they want to see I guess.
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thank you thank you... it will work if we can just get momentum.
mr steve will listen to us... this is an outrage.
or alternatively, just don't buy. that would work too.
who is with me?