This will be an issue until 1) Apple brings back FW; 2) No new FW400 accessories are made and enough time has passed that people have upgraded their FW accessories to USB; 3) FWoE gets made; 4) Apocalypse.
This will be an issue until 1) Apple brings back FW; 2) No new FW400 accessories are made and enough time has passed that people have upgraded their FW accessories to USB; 3) FWoE gets made; 4) Apocalypse.
Not everyone is willing to just dump a technology that is both faster and more useful (TDM) just so Apple can shave off a couple of millimeters of thickness. There are those of us who chose the Mac for other than social reasons. Once upon a time, the Mac was actually about getting things done, now its just about being different or cool.
Yeah, I cannot see how Apple can possibly resist this rational explanation and reverse course on firewire. They cannot seem to understand that their increase in sales is based more on empty popularity than people actually being able to get work done on their machines.
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Not everyone is willing to just dump a technology that is both faster and more useful (TDM) just so Apple can shave off a couple of millimeters of thickness. There are those of us who chose the Mac for other than social reasons. Once upon a time, the Mac was actually about getting things done, now its just about being different or cool.
Not everyone is willing to just dump a technology that is both faster and more useful (TDM) just so Apple can shave off a couple of millimeters of thickness. There are those of us who chose the Mac for other than social reasons. Once upon a time, the Mac was actually about getting things done, now its just about being different or cool.
No one is asking you to dump a technology. Their are are current MB and MBPs that have FW, as well as all the options on their refurbished site or other Pc vendors with 4-pin and 6-pin FW. You aren't required to get a new Mac just because Apple releases one. If you can't find a machine that fits your aging FW400 accesories and felt that a unibody MB is the only option for you, except the criminal lack of FW400, then it sounds to be that you are wanting a Mac and FW simple to make yourself more elitist.
PS: How are Macs more about being different and less about productivity when they are focusing on a ubiquitous data transfer tech over a comparitively unknown and unused technology for their entry level notebook category? You have that backwards.
No one is asking you to dump a technology. Their are are current MB and MBPs that have FW, as well as all the options on their refurbished site or other Pc vendors with 4-pin and 6-pin FW. You aren't required to get a new Mac just because Apple releases one. If you can't find a machine that fits your aging FW400 accesories and felt that a unibody MB is the only option for you, except the criminal lack of FW400, then it sounds to be that you are wanting a Mac and FW simple to make yourself more elitist.
I bought Macs because they used to offer better designs and functionality above what you find in the PC world. They're getting rid of that functionality and selling only a name. They are becoming no more than the Ikea or Abercrombie. If its elitist to have a computer that actually does just work or have technology to recover files easily should something go wrong, than admit it, I'm elitist. Yes, I have actually been in a position where I have had to use target disk mode in an emergency. I would rather add 3mm of thickness than have to drive to madison and pay a couple hundred to the Apple store to get my files. I'll pay a bit more for a superior computer. Apple used to offer such computers until they found out they could sell a bunch to teenagers and college students on image alone.
Also, how the hell can you accuse me of being here for social reasons? I actually use my Mac as a tool. From the unwavering support you give Apple when they take something away, I can't venture that you use yours for anything above general computing. You also seem to consider Apple's marketing tactics to be some sort of real world distinction between consumers and Pros. Spend a good money on a machine that cannot do what the five year old half dead Mac that it replaces and you might start to appreciate things. Computers are not about image, or some us vs them thing, they are a tool, nothing more, nothing less. If your screwdriver breaks and the ones at the hardware store can't work with your screws for aesthetic reasons, you wouldn't be very happy.
You guys thinks that if Apple doesn't give us more practical options, we can leave, just like that. It isn't that simple. First, Windows through Vista sucks. Windows 7 might be alright, but it doesn't exist yet. Second, I have hundred of dollars invested in Mac OS X software. Since Apple won't let anyone else make computers based on that operating system, I would have to spend hundreds of more dollars to get the same or similar software on windows. The tree in your backyard may be growing 50s instead of leaves, but the rest of us aren't so lucky. Third, I don't see anything on windows that can use iLife or iWork files. What does that all mean? It means for many of us, we're stuck on this platform.
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PS: How are Macs more about being different and less about productivity when they are focusing on a ubiquitous data transfer tech over a comparitively unknown and unused technology for their entry level notebook category? You have that backwards.
$1300 IS NOT ENTRY LEVEL. Get off the koolaid for a minute and look around. The Macbook is a premium notebook. Not only do I expect more from a machine in that price range, I expect more from Apple. Why? Because Apple used to give us more. No other computer company could give you very usable tools for video, music, and photos with the ports to use the accessories of your choice. Apple used to be the computer for the more demanding user. Now they're just Dell for the Eddie Bauer crowd. From the software to hardware, everything is getting features deleted instead of adding new ones.
I bought Macs because they used to offer better designs and functionality above what you find in the PC world. They're getting rid of that functionality and selling only a name. They are becoming no more than the Ikea or Abercrombie. If its elitist to have a computer that actually does just work or have technology to recover files easily should something go wrong, than admit it, I'm elitist.
There you go! We know get tot he crux of why people want to FW400 even though it's a dying port interface technology.
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I'll pay a bit more for a superior computer. Apple used to offer such computers until they found out they could sell a bunch to teenagers and college students on image alone.
Then, according to your posts, you should be happy because you can now by a superior computer for less money.
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$1300 IS NOT ENTRY LEVEL.
Their refers to Apple. Notebook refers to non-desktop-grade AIOs. Entry level refers to Apple's cheapest notebook category. Hence my comment, "their entry level notebook category".
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Get off the koolaid for a minute and look around.
Kool-Aid would refer to those that expect Apple to make product to only suit their needs, not to make products that make them money. Which one of us will buy a machine because it suits our needs and which one of us wants Apple to go against its grain to offer a dying port interface just so we can have a more elitist machine? Which one of us is apparently not happy with the $999 MB with FW400 because it doesn't have the new case design so we can show off how elitist we are?
I'll reiterate: If Apple isn't making a product that fits your needs then find another company that does. Apple has been moving away from FW400 for years now so expecting them to reverse direction now seems very unlikely.
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The Macbook is a premium notebook.
Only if you compare it to cheap notebooks, but do you really think it's fair and genuine to compare Apple's cheapest offering to HP's cheapest offering?
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Not only do I expect more from a machine in that price range, I expect more from Apple. Why? Because Apple used to give us more.
No, they didn't. This machine is much more powerful better built than any other MB or iBook before it, even the ones that cost more. The new Nividia graphics are now powerful enough to best many of the discrete GPUs that offered on their previous flagship notebooks.
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No other computer company could give you very usable tools for video, music, and photos with the ports to use the accessories of your choice. Apple used to be the computer for the more demanding user. Now they're just Dell for the Eddie Bauer crowd. From the software to hardware, everything is getting features deleted instead of adding new ones.
Since when has Apple been about adding HW features and Dell is about deleting HW features. I bet I can find Dell machine that still have VGA ports and PCMCIA slots. Apple has always been about seeing where the future of computing is going and heading that way, sometimes even creating the path as they go.
Again: If you are too elitist to get a MB with FW400 and just have to use FW400, then by a non-Mac PC that does have FW400. Buy products that fit your needs.
No other computer company could give you very usable tools for video, music, and photos with the ports to use the accessories of your choice. Apple used to be the computer for the more demanding user. Now they're just Dell for the Eddie Bauer crowd. From the software to hardware, everything is getting features deleted instead of adding new ones.
I think you are looking in the rear view mirror with rose colored glasses.
I remember an article I read about the iMac when it was first introduced. The author complained about the missing floppy drive, the missing legacy ports, and Apples stubbornness with AIO computers. The author declared the iMac was a perfect example of why Apple was going out of business.
There you go! We know get tot he crux of why people want to FW400 even though it's a dying port interface technology.
Tell that to the music community. Also nice way to twist things to fit your religious beliefs
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Then, according to your posts, you should be happy because you can now by a superior computer for less money.
From who?
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Their refers to Apple. Notebook refers to non-desktop-grade AIOs. Entry level refers to Apple's cheapest notebook category. Hence my comment, "their entry level notebook category"
What in god's name are you talking about?
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Kool-Aid would refer to those that expect Apple to make product to only suit their needs, not to make products that make them money. Which one of us will buy a machine because it suits our needs and which one of us wants Apple to go against its grain to offer a dying port interface just so we can have a more elitist machine? Which one of us is apparently not happy with the $999 MB with FW400 because it doesn't have the new case design so we can show off how elitist we are?
Its not elitist to expect a computer to actually work the way you want it. Beleive it not computers do things about surfing the web, going online, and using iChat. Do you ever actually listen to anyone else. Yes, I want a computer to suit my needs, I'm the one who uses it. I'm not going to give apple a good deal of my hard earned cash because its my civic duty to prop up the company, I don't give a damn about the new case. I care about what's inside it. If it adds a little style to functionality like my iBook did, that's a bonus.
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I'll reiterate: If Apple isn't making a product that fits your needs then find another company that does. Apple has been moving away from FW400 for years now so expecting them to reverse direction now seems very unlikely.
For years? They've been promoting it for years. It's been only every Mac released in the last decade save the Macbook air and the new Macbook. It's been touted as a feature of years. My 14 month old iMac had the addition of FW800 as one of the selling points. They stopped supporting it when it came in conflict with Ive's design philosophy.
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Only if you compare it to cheap notebooks, but do you really think it's fair and genuine to compare Apple's cheapest offering to HP's cheapest offering?
No but I can compare it to other premium level 13" notebooks.
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No, they didn't. This machine is much more powerful better built than any other MB or iBook before it, even the ones that cost more. The new Nividia graphics are now powerful enough to best many of the discrete GPUs that offered on their previous flagship notebooks.
So, it being better at quake makes up for having to spend money on a less capable firewire audio interface and not being able to access by files via TDM? The old slightly thicker enclosure could do both. They plugged one hole by creating another one. When I bought by G3 iBook I had both the functionality of firewire and the graphics power to play the latest games of the day. Nice try.
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ince when has Apple been about adding HW features and Dell is about deleting HW features. I bet I can find Dell machine that still have VGA ports and PCMCIA slots. Apple has always been about seeing where the future of computing is going and heading that way, sometimes even creating the path as they go.
Yes, they have been, that's why they're always on the cutting edge. In this case they dropped a more professional standard (no that doesn't mean you automatically need a $2000 15" machine) in favor of a consumer one. It's no like they're replacing both with USB3.0 here.
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Again: If you are too elitist to get a MB with FW400 and just have to use FW400, then by a non-Mac PC that does have FW400. Buy products that fit your needs.
A $2000 Macbook Pro is too big and heavy (and expensive) for my needs. Also, like I've said numerous times, it's not like moving from a HP to a Sony VAIO. I have a major financial investment in the Mac OS X platform. The majority of my files and programs will not work on another brand of computer.
I think you are looking in the rear view mirror with rose colored glasses.
I remember an article I read about the iMac when it was first introduced. The author complained about the missing floppy drive, the missing legacy ports, and Apples stubbornness with AIO computers. The author declared the iMac was a perfect example of why Apple was going out of business.
I wonder what that author thinks 10 years later.
That apple adapted and became a consumer electronics company. 60% of Apple's revenue came from non-computer sources last quarter. The iMac fad burned itself out and many of those user bought a machine other than Apple for their next computer. You guys seem to forget that the Apple recession of 2001-2004 happened. The current iMac is also a much different computer. It has moved up market from the entry level machine that it was. The iMac didn't save Apple. The iPod and iBook did.
That apple adapted and became a consumer electronics company. 60% of Apple's revenue came from non-computer sources last quarter. The iMac fad burned itself out and many of those user bought a machine other than Apple for their next computer.
Are you making this stuff up as you go along?
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You guys seem to forget that the Apple recession of 2001-2004 happened. The current iMac is also a much different computer. It has moved up market from the entry level machine that it was. The iMac didn't save Apple. The iPod and iBook did.
The iMac I bought in 1999 cost $1,400. The base iMac today costs $1,200. How do you figure they changed product categories.
All of those products contributed to saving Apple. Apple could not have kept going on the iPod and iBook alone.
That apple adapted and became a consumer electronics company. 60% of Apple's revenue came from non-computer sources last quarter. The iMac fad burned itself out and many of those user bought a machine other than Apple for their next computer. You guys seem to forget that the Apple recession of 2001-2004 happened. The current iMac is also a much different computer. It has moved up market from the entry level machine that it was. The iMac didn't save Apple. The iPod and iBook did.
Revisionist history. Apple had a couple of bad years during the last recession of 2000 to 2001, like everyone else. The computer industry, in addition, was burned after the hundreds of billions spent around the world buying new machines, from laptops to mainframes, and new OS's, as well as hiring hundreds of thousands of people to fix those dating problems.
Remember that?
The entire computer industry was in a recession for several years after the millennium "crisis" was over.
The iMac helped Apple remain relevant, and level. It's true, that eventually, the iPod and iTunes Store made a major leap for them.
iPhone/iPod/ITMS sales: 3.3 billion or 43% of revenue
Peripheral sales: 428 million or 5.6% of revenue
Software/Services: $549 million or 7.2% of revenue
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The iMac I bought in 1999 cost $1,400. The base iMac today costs $1,200. How do you figure they changed product categories.
That was the highest end iMac DV. They started at $999 which was almost unheard of in those days. You didn't see a then equivalent to the $2000+ 24" models with the 3ghz CPU and Geforce 8800 graphics (yet with still a single non-user upgradable hard drive). Those kinds of specs were reserved for the PowerMac. You also don't see the more affordable low end systems anymore. The true successor to the original iMac, got down as far as $799 before it was replaced by the Mac Mini.
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All of those products contributed to saving Apple. Apple could not have kept going on the iPod and iBook alone.
No, but they have by far the largest impact. The PowerMac was also a strong seller until Apple yanked the rug out from under it after they released the G5 iMac.
The G4 was a flop. The current G5-type design didn't really take off until Apple moved to intel and Microsoft released Vista and Apple eliminated any other choice.
The G4 was a flop. The current G5-type design didn't really take off until Apple moved to intel and Microsoft released Vista and Apple eliminated any other choice.
Not true. It did take a while to get schools to adopt for the fear of the swinging arm, but they did.
The G5 was popular. Apple's sales were rising nicely BEFORE they switched to Intel. That was one of the reason why people were surprised they did so.
The rise only slowed down the quarter before the new models came out, which would be expected. The increase that quarter was 5%. The next quarter was up to 12%, then it kept increasing.
There you go! We know get tot he crux of why people want to FW400 even though it's a dying port interface technology.
I'll reiterate: If Apple isn't making a product that fits your needs then find another company that does. Apple has been moving away from FW400 for years now so expecting them to reverse direction now seems very unlikely.
Again: If you are too elitist to get a MB with FW400 and just have to use FW400, then by a non-Mac PC that does have FW400. Buy products that fit your needs.
i notice that you are limiting your statements to "FW400"... wise move \
would you care to make the same arguments using the word "firewire" only ?
if not, please look to the title of this thread
do i hear anyone complaining if apple puts any form of firewire (incl FW800+) back on the MB?
no, thought not - since it's all backwards compatible.
stop arguing about whether FW400 is a dead port interface already - it's a moot point !
Yes FireWire 800 on the MacBook would have been the sensible option. The obvious option.\ I do think that everyone here had already been in agreement that 400 is dying/dead.
Not good news for Apple if those tapeless camcorders don't get a Mac fix soon. I still think that a back-up tape is hard to beat. I've had some Video8 tapes for years now and they still play perfectly. A few DVD-R backups that I had made some years back have since failed. Luckily those tapes are still around
The problem is that some manufacturers are, for some reason, modifying the standards.
When MiniDV first came out, we had problems with both Hitachi and JVC camcorders for the same reasons (all using FW, I would like to mention!). After a while, the companies brought their machines into spec, and the problems went away.
It's interesting to note that as for the MiniDV machines, both Canon and Sony have no problems.
It's also interesting to note that some of those machines having problems on the Mac are also having problems on PC's.
But the glitches will be fixed, and this time next year, most people will have forgotten about it.
iPhone/iPod/ITMS sales: 3.3 billion or 43% of revenue
Peripheral sales: 428 million or 5.6% of revenue
Software/Services: $549 million or 7.2% of revenue
The more important revelation from these earnings is that Mac sales are 48% of total revenue while iPod/Phone are 43%. No one has the expectation that Mac revenue needs to be the majority of Apple's product category.
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That was the highest end iMac DV. They started at $999 which was almost unheard of in those days. You didn't see a then equivalent to the $2000+ 24" models with the 3ghz CPU and Geforce 8800 graphics (yet with still a single non-user upgradable hard drive). Those kinds of specs were reserved for the PowerMac. You also don't see the more affordable low end systems anymore. The true successor to the original iMac, got down as far as $799 before it was replaced by the Mac Mini.
The base price of an iMac DV in late 1999 was $1,299. The reason the specs of the iMac is so much better today and the price is higher. Is because technology has greatly improved in the last 10 years. The components Apple uses in current iMac are more on the expensive side.
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This will be an issue until 1) Apple brings back FW; 2) No new FW400 accessories are made and enough time has passed that people have upgraded their FW accessories to USB; 3) FWoE gets made; 4) Apocalypse.
I liked the "upgraded to USB" part.
Was this back when Melgross had long hair, wore tight plaid slacks, and drove a Mercury Cougar
Of course, back then, it was "throw the Mitchell" in the van, and let's get going. Sometimes, it was also: "where's that damn Nagra?"
Mitchells and Nagras!
Was this back when Melgross had long hair, wore tight plaid slacks, and drove a Mercury Cougar
Let's see.
I've had long hair since I was thirteen. Indeed, I've had a fairly long ponytail for quite a few years.
I only had one pair of tartan plaid slacks, in the 80's.
Only owned a Fleetwood. Haven't driven for years (long story, but nothing due to an accident, or illegality).
But, yeah, this was from the early '70's.
Or rather, lock the thread.
This will be an issue until 1) Apple brings back FW; 2) No new FW400 accessories are made and enough time has passed that people have upgraded their FW accessories to USB; 3) FWoE gets made; 4) Apocalypse.
Not everyone is willing to just dump a technology that is both faster and more useful (TDM) just so Apple can shave off a couple of millimeters of thickness. There are those of us who chose the Mac for other than social reasons. Once upon a time, the Mac was actually about getting things done, now its just about being different or cool.
Not everyone is willing to just dump a technology that is both faster and more useful (TDM) just so Apple can shave off a couple of millimeters of thickness. There are those of us who chose the Mac for other than social reasons. Once upon a time, the Mac was actually about getting things done, now its just about being different or cool.
Not everyone is willing to just dump a technology that is both faster and more useful (TDM) just so Apple can shave off a couple of millimeters of thickness. There are those of us who chose the Mac for other than social reasons. Once upon a time, the Mac was actually about getting things done, now its just about being different or cool.
No one is asking you to dump a technology. Their are are current MB and MBPs that have FW, as well as all the options on their refurbished site or other Pc vendors with 4-pin and 6-pin FW. You aren't required to get a new Mac just because Apple releases one. If you can't find a machine that fits your aging FW400 accesories and felt that a unibody MB is the only option for you, except the criminal lack of FW400, then it sounds to be that you are wanting a Mac and FW simple to make yourself more elitist.
PS: How are Macs more about being different and less about productivity when they are focusing on a ubiquitous data transfer tech over a comparitively unknown and unused technology for their entry level notebook category? You have that backwards.
No one is asking you to dump a technology. Their are are current MB and MBPs that have FW, as well as all the options on their refurbished site or other Pc vendors with 4-pin and 6-pin FW. You aren't required to get a new Mac just because Apple releases one. If you can't find a machine that fits your aging FW400 accesories and felt that a unibody MB is the only option for you, except the criminal lack of FW400, then it sounds to be that you are wanting a Mac and FW simple to make yourself more elitist.
I bought Macs because they used to offer better designs and functionality above what you find in the PC world. They're getting rid of that functionality and selling only a name. They are becoming no more than the Ikea or Abercrombie. If its elitist to have a computer that actually does just work or have technology to recover files easily should something go wrong, than admit it, I'm elitist. Yes, I have actually been in a position where I have had to use target disk mode in an emergency. I would rather add 3mm of thickness than have to drive to madison and pay a couple hundred to the Apple store to get my files. I'll pay a bit more for a superior computer. Apple used to offer such computers until they found out they could sell a bunch to teenagers and college students on image alone.
Also, how the hell can you accuse me of being here for social reasons? I actually use my Mac as a tool. From the unwavering support you give Apple when they take something away, I can't venture that you use yours for anything above general computing. You also seem to consider Apple's marketing tactics to be some sort of real world distinction between consumers and Pros. Spend a good money on a machine that cannot do what the five year old half dead Mac that it replaces and you might start to appreciate things. Computers are not about image, or some us vs them thing, they are a tool, nothing more, nothing less. If your screwdriver breaks and the ones at the hardware store can't work with your screws for aesthetic reasons, you wouldn't be very happy.
You guys thinks that if Apple doesn't give us more practical options, we can leave, just like that. It isn't that simple. First, Windows through Vista sucks. Windows 7 might be alright, but it doesn't exist yet. Second, I have hundred of dollars invested in Mac OS X software. Since Apple won't let anyone else make computers based on that operating system, I would have to spend hundreds of more dollars to get the same or similar software on windows. The tree in your backyard may be growing 50s instead of leaves, but the rest of us aren't so lucky. Third, I don't see anything on windows that can use iLife or iWork files. What does that all mean? It means for many of us, we're stuck on this platform.
PS: How are Macs more about being different and less about productivity when they are focusing on a ubiquitous data transfer tech over a comparitively unknown and unused technology for their entry level notebook category? You have that backwards.
$1300 IS NOT ENTRY LEVEL. Get off the koolaid for a minute and look around. The Macbook is a premium notebook. Not only do I expect more from a machine in that price range, I expect more from Apple. Why? Because Apple used to give us more. No other computer company could give you very usable tools for video, music, and photos with the ports to use the accessories of your choice. Apple used to be the computer for the more demanding user. Now they're just Dell for the Eddie Bauer crowd. From the software to hardware, everything is getting features deleted instead of adding new ones.
I bought Macs because they used to offer better designs and functionality above what you find in the PC world. They're getting rid of that functionality and selling only a name. They are becoming no more than the Ikea or Abercrombie. If its elitist to have a computer that actually does just work or have technology to recover files easily should something go wrong, than admit it, I'm elitist.
There you go! We know get tot he crux of why people want to FW400 even though it's a dying port interface technology.
I'll pay a bit more for a superior computer. Apple used to offer such computers until they found out they could sell a bunch to teenagers and college students on image alone.
Then, according to your posts, you should be happy because you can now by a superior computer for less money.
$1300 IS NOT ENTRY LEVEL.
Their refers to Apple. Notebook refers to non-desktop-grade AIOs. Entry level refers to Apple's cheapest notebook category. Hence my comment, "their entry level notebook category".
Get off the koolaid for a minute and look around.
Kool-Aid would refer to those that expect Apple to make product to only suit their needs, not to make products that make them money. Which one of us will buy a machine because it suits our needs and which one of us wants Apple to go against its grain to offer a dying port interface just so we can have a more elitist machine? Which one of us is apparently not happy with the $999 MB with FW400 because it doesn't have the new case design so we can show off how elitist we are?
I'll reiterate: If Apple isn't making a product that fits your needs then find another company that does. Apple has been moving away from FW400 for years now so expecting them to reverse direction now seems very unlikely.
The Macbook is a premium notebook.
Only if you compare it to cheap notebooks, but do you really think it's fair and genuine to compare Apple's cheapest offering to HP's cheapest offering?
Not only do I expect more from a machine in that price range, I expect more from Apple. Why? Because Apple used to give us more.
No, they didn't. This machine is much more powerful better built than any other MB or iBook before it, even the ones that cost more. The new Nividia graphics are now powerful enough to best many of the discrete GPUs that offered on their previous flagship notebooks.
No other computer company could give you very usable tools for video, music, and photos with the ports to use the accessories of your choice. Apple used to be the computer for the more demanding user. Now they're just Dell for the Eddie Bauer crowd. From the software to hardware, everything is getting features deleted instead of adding new ones.
Since when has Apple been about adding HW features and Dell is about deleting HW features. I bet I can find Dell machine that still have VGA ports and PCMCIA slots. Apple has always been about seeing where the future of computing is going and heading that way, sometimes even creating the path as they go.
Again: If you are too elitist to get a MB with FW400 and just have to use FW400, then by a non-Mac PC that does have FW400. Buy products that fit your needs.
No other computer company could give you very usable tools for video, music, and photos with the ports to use the accessories of your choice. Apple used to be the computer for the more demanding user. Now they're just Dell for the Eddie Bauer crowd. From the software to hardware, everything is getting features deleted instead of adding new ones.
I think you are looking in the rear view mirror with rose colored glasses.
I remember an article I read about the iMac when it was first introduced. The author complained about the missing floppy drive, the missing legacy ports, and Apples stubbornness with AIO computers. The author declared the iMac was a perfect example of why Apple was going out of business.
I wonder what that author thinks 10 years later.
There you go! We know get tot he crux of why people want to FW400 even though it's a dying port interface technology.
Tell that to the music community. Also nice way to twist things to fit your religious beliefs
Then, according to your posts, you should be happy because you can now by a superior computer for less money.
From who?
Their refers to Apple. Notebook refers to non-desktop-grade AIOs. Entry level refers to Apple's cheapest notebook category. Hence my comment, "their entry level notebook category"
What in god's name are you talking about?
Kool-Aid would refer to those that expect Apple to make product to only suit their needs, not to make products that make them money. Which one of us will buy a machine because it suits our needs and which one of us wants Apple to go against its grain to offer a dying port interface just so we can have a more elitist machine? Which one of us is apparently not happy with the $999 MB with FW400 because it doesn't have the new case design so we can show off how elitist we are?
Its not elitist to expect a computer to actually work the way you want it. Beleive it not computers do things about surfing the web, going online, and using iChat. Do you ever actually listen to anyone else. Yes, I want a computer to suit my needs, I'm the one who uses it. I'm not going to give apple a good deal of my hard earned cash because its my civic duty to prop up the company, I don't give a damn about the new case. I care about what's inside it. If it adds a little style to functionality like my iBook did, that's a bonus.
I'll reiterate: If Apple isn't making a product that fits your needs then find another company that does. Apple has been moving away from FW400 for years now so expecting them to reverse direction now seems very unlikely.
For years? They've been promoting it for years. It's been only every Mac released in the last decade save the Macbook air and the new Macbook. It's been touted as a feature of years. My 14 month old iMac had the addition of FW800 as one of the selling points. They stopped supporting it when it came in conflict with Ive's design philosophy.
Only if you compare it to cheap notebooks, but do you really think it's fair and genuine to compare Apple's cheapest offering to HP's cheapest offering?
No but I can compare it to other premium level 13" notebooks.
No, they didn't. This machine is much more powerful better built than any other MB or iBook before it, even the ones that cost more. The new Nividia graphics are now powerful enough to best many of the discrete GPUs that offered on their previous flagship notebooks.
So, it being better at quake makes up for having to spend money on a less capable firewire audio interface and not being able to access by files via TDM? The old slightly thicker enclosure could do both. They plugged one hole by creating another one. When I bought by G3 iBook I had both the functionality of firewire and the graphics power to play the latest games of the day. Nice try.
ince when has Apple been about adding HW features and Dell is about deleting HW features. I bet I can find Dell machine that still have VGA ports and PCMCIA slots. Apple has always been about seeing where the future of computing is going and heading that way, sometimes even creating the path as they go.
Yes, they have been, that's why they're always on the cutting edge. In this case they dropped a more professional standard (no that doesn't mean you automatically need a $2000 15" machine) in favor of a consumer one. It's no like they're replacing both with USB3.0 here.
Again: If you are too elitist to get a MB with FW400 and just have to use FW400, then by a non-Mac PC that does have FW400. Buy products that fit your needs.
A $2000 Macbook Pro is too big and heavy (and expensive) for my needs. Also, like I've said numerous times, it's not like moving from a HP to a Sony VAIO. I have a major financial investment in the Mac OS X platform. The majority of my files and programs will not work on another brand of computer.
I think you are looking in the rear view mirror with rose colored glasses.
I remember an article I read about the iMac when it was first introduced. The author complained about the missing floppy drive, the missing legacy ports, and Apples stubbornness with AIO computers. The author declared the iMac was a perfect example of why Apple was going out of business.
I wonder what that author thinks 10 years later.
That apple adapted and became a consumer electronics company. 60% of Apple's revenue came from non-computer sources last quarter. The iMac fad burned itself out and many of those user bought a machine other than Apple for their next computer. You guys seem to forget that the Apple recession of 2001-2004 happened. The current iMac is also a much different computer. It has moved up market from the entry level machine that it was. The iMac didn't save Apple. The iPod and iBook did.
That apple adapted and became a consumer electronics company. 60% of Apple's revenue came from non-computer sources last quarter. The iMac fad burned itself out and many of those user bought a machine other than Apple for their next computer.
Are you making this stuff up as you go along?
You guys seem to forget that the Apple recession of 2001-2004 happened. The current iMac is also a much different computer. It has moved up market from the entry level machine that it was. The iMac didn't save Apple. The iPod and iBook did.
The iMac I bought in 1999 cost $1,400. The base iMac today costs $1,200. How do you figure they changed product categories.
All of those products contributed to saving Apple. Apple could not have kept going on the iPod and iBook alone.
That apple adapted and became a consumer electronics company. 60% of Apple's revenue came from non-computer sources last quarter. The iMac fad burned itself out and many of those user bought a machine other than Apple for their next computer. You guys seem to forget that the Apple recession of 2001-2004 happened. The current iMac is also a much different computer. It has moved up market from the entry level machine that it was. The iMac didn't save Apple. The iPod and iBook did.
Revisionist history. Apple had a couple of bad years during the last recession of 2000 to 2001, like everyone else. The computer industry, in addition, was burned after the hundreds of billions spent around the world buying new machines, from laptops to mainframes, and new OS's, as well as hiring hundreds of thousands of people to fix those dating problems.
Remember that?
The entire computer industry was in a recession for several years after the millennium "crisis" was over.
The iMac helped Apple remain relevant, and level. It's true, that eventually, the iPod and iTunes Store made a major leap for them.
Are you making this stuff up as you go along?
Try reading the q4 earnings reports.
Total earnings: $7.62 billion
Mac sales $3.66 billion or 48% of revenue.
iPhone/iPod/ITMS sales: 3.3 billion or 43% of revenue
Peripheral sales: 428 million or 5.6% of revenue
Software/Services: $549 million or 7.2% of revenue
The iMac I bought in 1999 cost $1,400. The base iMac today costs $1,200. How do you figure they changed product categories.
That was the highest end iMac DV. They started at $999 which was almost unheard of in those days. You didn't see a then equivalent to the $2000+ 24" models with the 3ghz CPU and Geforce 8800 graphics (yet with still a single non-user upgradable hard drive). Those kinds of specs were reserved for the PowerMac. You also don't see the more affordable low end systems anymore. The true successor to the original iMac, got down as far as $799 before it was replaced by the Mac Mini.
All of those products contributed to saving Apple. Apple could not have kept going on the iPod and iBook alone.
No, but they have by far the largest impact. The PowerMac was also a strong seller until Apple yanked the rug out from under it after they released the G5 iMac.
The iMac helped Apple remain relevant, and level.
The G4 was a flop. The current G5-type design didn't really take off until Apple moved to intel and Microsoft released Vista and Apple eliminated any other choice.
The G4 was a flop. The current G5-type design didn't really take off until Apple moved to intel and Microsoft released Vista and Apple eliminated any other choice.
Not true. It did take a while to get schools to adopt for the fear of the swinging arm, but they did.
The G5 was popular. Apple's sales were rising nicely BEFORE they switched to Intel. That was one of the reason why people were surprised they did so.
The rise only slowed down the quarter before the new models came out, which would be expected. The increase that quarter was 5%. The next quarter was up to 12%, then it kept increasing.
There you go! We know get tot he crux of why people want to FW400 even though it's a dying port interface technology.
I'll reiterate: If Apple isn't making a product that fits your needs then find another company that does. Apple has been moving away from FW400 for years now so expecting them to reverse direction now seems very unlikely.
Again: If you are too elitist to get a MB with FW400 and just have to use FW400, then by a non-Mac PC that does have FW400. Buy products that fit your needs.
i notice that you are limiting your statements to "FW400"... wise move
would you care to make the same arguments using the word "firewire" only ?
if not, please look to the title of this thread
do i hear anyone complaining if apple puts any form of firewire (incl FW800+) back on the MB?
no, thought not - since it's all backwards compatible.
stop arguing about whether FW400 is a dead port interface already - it's a moot point !
in other news, anyone seen this article about how tapeless camcorders are not a macs best friend
i notice that you are limiting your statements to "FW400"... wise move
would you care to make the same arguments using the word "firewire" only ?
if not, please look to the title of this thread
do i hear anyone complaining if apple puts any form of firewire (incl FW800+) back on the MB?
no, thought not - since it's all backwards compatible.
stop arguing about whether FW400 is a dead port interface already - it's a moot point !
in other news, anyone seen this article about how tapeless camcorders are not a macs best friend
Yes FireWire 800 on the MacBook would have been the sensible option. The obvious option.
Not good news for Apple if those tapeless camcorders don't get a Mac fix soon. I still think that a back-up tape is hard to beat. I've had some Video8 tapes for years now and they still play perfectly. A few DVD-R backups that I had made some years back have since failed. Luckily those tapes are still around
i notice that you are limiting your statements to "FW400"... wise move
would you care to make the same arguments using the word "firewire" only ?
if not, please look to the title of this thread
do i hear anyone complaining if apple puts any form of firewire (incl FW800+) back on the MB?
no, thought not - since it's all backwards compatible.
stop arguing about whether FW400 is a dead port interface already - it's a moot point !
in other news, anyone seen this article about how tapeless camcorders are not a macs best friend
This is only true of some.
The problem is that some manufacturers are, for some reason, modifying the standards.
When MiniDV first came out, we had problems with both Hitachi and JVC camcorders for the same reasons (all using FW, I would like to mention!). After a while, the companies brought their machines into spec, and the problems went away.
It's interesting to note that as for the MiniDV machines, both Canon and Sony have no problems.
It's also interesting to note that some of those machines having problems on the Mac are also having problems on PC's.
But the glitches will be fixed, and this time next year, most people will have forgotten about it.
Try reading the q4 earnings reports.
Total earnings: $7.62 billion
Mac sales $3.66 billion or 48% of revenue.
iPhone/iPod/ITMS sales: 3.3 billion or 43% of revenue
Peripheral sales: 428 million or 5.6% of revenue
Software/Services: $549 million or 7.2% of revenue
The more important revelation from these earnings is that Mac sales are 48% of total revenue while iPod/Phone are 43%. No one has the expectation that Mac revenue needs to be the majority of Apple's product category.
That was the highest end iMac DV. They started at $999 which was almost unheard of in those days. You didn't see a then equivalent to the $2000+ 24" models with the 3ghz CPU and Geforce 8800 graphics (yet with still a single non-user upgradable hard drive). Those kinds of specs were reserved for the PowerMac. You also don't see the more affordable low end systems anymore. The true successor to the original iMac, got down as far as $799 before it was replaced by the Mac Mini.
The base price of an iMac DV in late 1999 was $1,299. The reason the specs of the iMac is so much better today and the price is higher. Is because technology has greatly improved in the last 10 years. The components Apple uses in current iMac are more on the expensive side.