Steve Jobs on Apple's cash, NetBooks, Apple TV, and Cheap PCs

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  • Reply 81 of 122
    teckstudteckstud Posts: 6,476member
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    Originally Posted by Adjei View Post


    Right wasn't it supposed to be the Bold to come and knock off the iPhone but now we should wait for the Storm. Funny how when the iPhone came out people said it would fail because of its touchscreen and companies like RIM but its taken Apple's entry into the game from them to release the Storm and what do you know they are also releasing their own app store, I wonder where they got that idea from.



    Blackberry Bold is AT&Fee. Blackberry Storm is Verizon. BIG difference.
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  • Reply 82 of 122
    MacPromacpro Posts: 19,871member
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    Maybe you should learn a little about XP then. It isn't that hard to have a stable XP installation, and you don't need all these tools that Mac people claim you need, I have no more issues from my XP machine that I would from any my Mac's



    Pulling my leg, right?. I do know one way you'd be correct though, disconnect XP from the internet. It is then, almost usable . I have been using PCs since pre Windows days and everything since by the way but thanks for the advice.
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  • Reply 83 of 122
    pt123pt123 Posts: 696member
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    Digital movies aren't quite where digital music is. Where digital music took lead to having your music much more accessible, digital movie in some aspects take a step backwards from DVD/Blu-Ray. The files are very large. The quality isn't as good. The DRM restricts where you can watch your movie. You can't let a friend borrow it, or take your movie to someone else's house. You are also very limited in what devices you can use it on. Lastly, You cannot import your existing library or export to an optical disc like you can with music.



    I totally agree. I lose about a GB of HD space a month to pictures from my camera so I don't want movies taking up any HD space. External storage? That is what DVD's are.



    Rent? I have 1.5 Mbps DSL which works good for me. I do email and internet browsing. And Netflix doesn't require faster internet, so I am good.
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  • Reply 84 of 122
    MacPromacpro Posts: 19,871member
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    Same experience here. Mac and Windows both runs great for me. The only crashes I had recently is Firefox on Windows and iPhoto on my Mac.



    You needed to read my post that your reply was replying to (if you see what I mean). I use both XP, Mac and Vista too all the time. I was saying on a vacation with a very slow internet connection XP was a pain in the rear due to all the updates and checking for latest versions of everything (Kaspersky etc) whereas an old iBook was more useable. In my office with up-rated FiOS it is not so much of an issue.
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  • Reply 85 of 122
    ytvytv Posts: 109member
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    Originally Posted by Adjei View Post


    Have anything to back that up, Blackberries which have been on the market for many years before the iPhone is sold in less markets than the iPhone, right.



    Not only are they sold in less markets, they are sold in WAY less markets. Do your own research. Apple pushed the iphone into a very large number of countries.
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  • Reply 86 of 122
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    You needed to read my post that your reply was replying to (if you see what I mean). I use both XP, Mac and Vista too all the time. I was saying on a vacation with a very slow internet connection XP was a pain in the rear due to all the updates and checking for latest versions of everything (Kaspersky etc) whereas an old iBook was more useable. In my office with up-rated FiOS it is not so much of an issue.



    Maybe you shouldn't wait until vacation to allow your copy of Windows to search for and install updates. Or you could turn off auto-updates. From reading your post, I'd think Microsoft is pushing out updates 24-7, but I doubt they're much faster than Apple's schedule and I seem to get an update for my iMac about once a week (think there's been 2 so far this week, Migration Assistant and the latest security update).
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  • Reply 87 of 122
    Stay on topic and please spare us the Political Jabs (redacted)
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  • Reply 88 of 122
    jfanningjfanning Posts: 3,398member
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    Originally Posted by digitalclips View Post


    Pulling my leg, right?. I do know one way you'd be correct though, disconnect XP from the internet. It is then, almost usable . I have been using PCs since pre Windows days and everything since by the way but thanks for the advice.



    No, I have a XP laptop beside me, I have no issues with it and it is connected to the internet. Someone has said this a well, don't wait until you go on holiday to download all the Windows updates, and if you feel like doing that, pause the downloads.



    The only reason XP would crash a lot, is if you have crap hardware, you'll find the same thing happens with the Mac
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  • Reply 89 of 122
    jeffdmjeffdm Posts: 12,953member
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    Originally Posted by mdriftmeyer View Post


    Stay on topic and please spare us the Political Jabs... (redacted)



    I've redacted both yours and his.



    It would have been nice that you just click the alert button rather than post another political jab while complaining about political jabs. Pot, kettle, black.
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  • Reply 90 of 122
    pxtpxt Posts: 683member
    $25Billion



    Buy Blizzard



    Withdraw Windows version of WoW



    That's 10 Million Macs right there !
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  • Reply 91 of 122
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    Originally Posted by hmurchison View Post


    I'll wait until after MWSF to make sure I don't buy just before a product refresh but even at it's basic level I personally see enough value in the ATV to warrant a purchase. It's just not the game changer that some consumers need to open the wallet.



    I disagree. I firmly believe it is a game changer. That information just needs to be conveyed to the public. I have an Apple TV in lieu of cable and subscribe to the shows I like to watch via iTunes. I enjoy higher-quality video (in most cases), no commercials, have the ability to re-watch shows whenever I want, and I still save hundreds of dollars per year over forking out money to Comcast (I pay them $14/month for limited basic so I can watch local news and other live broadcasts).



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by hmurchison View Post


    With Comcast instituting Bandwidth caps and the studios reluctant to put themselves into the same bind as the music studios I don't see Apple dominating video the way they do music for the reasons gugy so articulately mentioned in his post.



    Comcast is not a monopoly; there are plenty of alternatives that do not place limits on network utilisation. My service is through Speakeasy and gives me unrestricted (and unfiltered) access to the Internet.

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    Originally Posted by DOSbox-gamer View Post


    The Mini is NOT a piece of junk - not now, not ever. For the few that need or want a small, quiet desktop Mac (without a screen), the Mini is perfect. But, Apple *has to* update the graphics. Let's hope...



    I bought a Mini for the office; it's the perfect machine for the office. Who needs high-end graphics for running iWork, Office, X11, Terminal and Firefox? The only time I've ever found a limitation is when creating a Keynote presentation that used some of the advanced transitions. The Mini's GMA graphics do not have the power for them, so I transferred my presentation to my MacBook Pro. I also wish 4GB of RAM was supported, because it does hurt running Parallels sometimes.



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by BenRoethig View Post


    Digital movies aren't quite where digital music is. Where digital music took lead to having your music much more accessible, digital movie in some aspects take a step backwards from DVD/Blu-Ray. The files are very large. The quality isn't as good. The DRM restricts where you can watch your movie. You can't let a friend borrow it, or take your movie to someone else's house. You are also very limited in what devices you can use it on. Lastly, You cannot import your existing library or export to an optical disc like you can with music.



    This is a fairly valid point, although I don't find the quality to be overly lacking. I've rented a few HD movies from iTunes and found the artifacting to be (mostly) acceptable. Definitely not as enjoyable to watch as my HD DVDs, but good enough. I just want the prices to come down, HD purchases, and rental periods that last more than 24 hours. Not allowing a friend to borrow does have me using optical media more than iTunes content still, but I'm very much looking forward to the upcoming season of Battlestar Galactica in HD via my Apple TV!
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  • Reply 92 of 122
    vineavinea Posts: 5,585member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by hmurchison View Post


    Apple's (and other vendors) "free lunch" is over.



    With Comcast instituting Bandwidth caps and the studios reluctant to put themselves

    into the same bind as the music studios I don't see Apple dominating video the way

    they do music for the reasons gugy so articulately mentioned in his post.



    Apple simply doesn't have the video playback device to rule them all like they had with the

    iPod. Sometimes I think companies chase success in other areas based on some fallacious

    hope that conquering another area is possible via the same methodology.



    Broadcast

    Cable

    Satellite

    Netflix/Blockbuster



    All represent different ways to access media and frankly downloading media doesn't offer that much of an improvement over using the VoD services from incumbent media providers.



    Video access is the new Gold Rush and and their are many companies panning for Gold but few will really be successful.



    With such a large warchest Apple could solve the bandwidth issue by partnering with Akamai and Sprint (WiMax).



    Content is an interesting question. HBO showed that they could put together their own content and it's not like Jobs has no experience with a studio...*cough*Pixar*cough*.



    Band of Brothers cost $125M, about the same as Cars ($120M). But The Sopranos was much cheaper. A few these kinds of titles on iTunes is a great way to start, just like HBO with their own stable of original programming. Nothing breeds success like success.
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  • Reply 93 of 122
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    Originally Posted by teckstud View Post


    Right? I rarely use mine - I prefer airtunes from the desktop for playing music because the ATV interface sucks. You can't even search your own music library on it. It needs a major overhaul.



    I wouldn't say it sucks, but it is somewhat inconvenient to use with a large library. Adding the iPhone/Touch remote application makes the thing seriously rock (especially if you've patched it with couch surfer).



    I use my Apple TV more than any other device in my entertainment system. It's the most useful device I've ever bought.
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  • Reply 94 of 122
    jeffdmjeffdm Posts: 12,953member
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    Originally Posted by djames42 View Post


    I disagree. I firmly believe it is a game changer. That information just needs to be conveyed to the public. I have an Apple TV in lieu of cable and subscribe to the shows I like to watch via iTunes. I enjoy higher-quality video (in most cases), no commercials, have the ability to re-watch shows whenever I want, and I still save hundreds of dollars per year over forking out money to Comcast (I pay them $14/month for limited basic so I can watch local news and other live broadcasts).



    What if, maybe, that "information" had already gotten out and maybe "the public" just decided it wasn't for them? The Apple TV is out there, has been advertised and every Apple Store and Best Buy with an Apple table has a working one on display.



    Just because it works out spectacularly for you doesn't mean it works out for everyone. Not everything that Apple touches has to turn to gold in terms of broad public acceptance.
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  • Reply 95 of 122
    kaiwaikaiwai Posts: 246member
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    Originally Posted by JeffDM View Post


    The netbook is taking off though, I think surprisingly well for being such a new category, to dismiss it out of hand sounds like a feint to me. IDG estimates 2M sold in EMEA last quarter, not too shabby for a category of products that didn't exist at all last year that I remember, back then it was just one guy and a few people trying to design one.



    Its a good way to get into emerging markets - that is what Apple should use to get its name out in emerging markets so that when the wages do increase - people are already familiar with Apple and its products.
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  • Reply 96 of 122
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    Originally Posted by vinea View Post


    With such a large warchest Apple could solve the bandwidth issue by partnering with Akamai and Sprint (WiMax).



    Content is an interesting question. HBO showed that they could put together their own content and it's not like Jobs has no experience with a studio...*cough*Pixar*cough*.



    Band of Brothers cost $125M, about the same as Cars ($120M). But The Sopranos was much cheaper. A few these kinds of titles on iTunes is a great way to start, just like HBO with their own stable of original programming. Nothing breeds success like success.



    Apple holds over a 5% owner stake in Akamai. They bought 5% back in 1999. They have a decent stake into the corporation. All traffic for Apple goes through Akamai.
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  • Reply 97 of 122
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    I've redacted both yours and his.



    It would have been nice that you just click the alert button rather than post another political jab while complaining about political jabs. Pot, kettle, black.



    Tattling is childish. Calling a spade a spade seems more professional and adult.
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  • Reply 98 of 122
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    Originally Posted by PXT View Post


    $25Billion



    Buy Blizzard



    Withdraw Windows version of WoW



    That's 10 Million Macs right there !



    Or probably more accurately, 9.9 million less WoW subscribers.
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  • Reply 99 of 122
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by djames42 View Post


    I disagree. I firmly believe it is a game changer. That information just needs to be conveyed to the public. I have an Apple TV in lieu of cable and subscribe to the shows I like to watch via iTunes. I enjoy higher-quality video (in most cases), no commercials, have the ability to re-watch shows whenever I want, and I still save hundreds of dollars per year over forking out money to Comcast (I pay them $14/month for limited basic so I can watch local news and other live broadcasts).



    And I'm guessing you're probably one of those people who only watches 4-5 shows and doesn't mind watching them in SD. If so, then, yes, maybe AppleTV could be a cable replacement. Otherwise, not so much. I looked at the Season Pass cost for an HD show on iTunes and it was around $60, which is about what my monthly bill is for cable. So if I watch more than 12 different shows (less than 2 shows a day), I'm better off with cable. And I didn't have to shell out $229 up front.



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    Comcast is not a monopoly; there are plenty of alternatives that do not place limits on network utilisation. My service is through Speakeasy and gives me unrestricted (and unfiltered) access to the Internet.



    It pretty much is where I live. There's no DSL service, so the only option for high-speed is Comcast.
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  • Reply 100 of 122
    jeffdmjeffdm Posts: 12,953member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by mdriftmeyer View Post


    Tattling is childish. Calling a spade a spade seems more professional and adult.



    Don't kid yourself. Your reciprocity and threat of hurling even more of it was childish too.
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