For points 1 and 2, the point is Apple used to go on about no Virus's and how Mac OS X just worked. Times have changed and Apple no longer advertises is but Microsoft doesn't do anything to to point out that this is the case.
For point 3, every report I've read in the last year for competitions to hack a machine the fastest where there has been a Mac and Vista machine, the Mac has gone first. Not to mention there has been loads of security flaws for the Mac reported in the last year.
For 4, true they missed the boat on this one but Apple did screw up big time with it.
For 5 yeah I heard of firmware update 2.1 but everyone I know with an iPhone still says the signal quality is rubbish compared to the phone they had before.
Do you own a Mac, or an iPhone?
Do you plan to buy a Mac or an iPhone?
If not, then what's your point, don't you have anything better to do?
If you'd like to learn something, start by asking questions and drop the criticism.
Apple is shown to be having the affect of the large anchor stores, and certainly could sway some malls to prevent that, but unless their contract does state that certain types of competition can't be within x of the store then they have no legal recourse. I figure they have something written in there about Dell kiosks, as I have never seen a Dell kiosk anywhere near an Apple Store entrance.
The malls and shopping centers I worked with were extremely careful in locating businesses, they either kept them together, or set them apart, one thing for sure, they would never allow any of this kind of in your face campaigns, it throws off the harmony of their mall.
They required us to hand over some pictures or artwork of the carts, reasons as to why we needed to put one up, why we cose this mall, our expected profits from this location, they even went as far as asking for samples and packaging designs. I'm not kidding I was involved in setting up several booths in Tysons Corner Mall and Fair Oaks Mall in VA, and the offices are extremely careful as not to disrupt the malls ecosystem in any way. So this thing really surprises me.
I wonder if it's even real or if someone photoshopped a MS booth to look like it was sitting in front of an Apple store.
You started off making little sense and then unraveled any sort of focus from there so i can only answer the first part or your diatribe.
HDMI is not a replacement to FW.
I agree on this, the relationship between FW and HDMI is tangential at best, using FW for video transmission is just one use, and HDMI can't do anything else that HDMI can. My bet is that hiimamac really doesn't know jack about anything technical, and is really confusing HDMI and eSATA because the connectors are vaguely similar.
Quote:
Are you talking abut the ECC RAM that is required for the Xeon-based Mac Pros? Future Mac Pros won't require ECC so the RAM will be faster and we may lose the heatsinks if the heat is down far enough. If you really think the inclusion of heatsinks are to make the RAM somehow 'proprietary' despite the RAM pins being standard and that many vendors make the RAM with the included heatsinks, and not to actually remove heat from the RAM then I have no way of having a civil conversation with you.
ECC isn't why it needs heat sinks, it's the FBDIMM system. Conventional ECC memory is just memory with an extra memory chip per row, the difference between ECC and non-ECC for some memory cards is whether or not there is a chip in the 9th position. An FBDIMM has a bus arbitration chip that runs very hot, most DIMMs, ECC or otherwise, don't have anything like that.
For points 1 and 2, the point is Apple used to go on about no Virus's and how Mac OS X just worked. Times have changed and Apple no longer advertises is but Microsoft doesn't do anything to to point out that this is the case.
For point 3, every report I've read in the last year for competitions to hack a machine the fastest where there has been a Mac and Vista machine, the Mac has gone first. Not to mention there has been loads of security flaws for the Mac reported in the last year.
For 4, true they missed the boat on this one but Apple did screw up big time with it.
For 5 yeah I heard of firmware update 2.1 but everyone I know with an iPhone still says the signal quality is rubbish compared to the phone they had before.
For 1 and 2, maybe people get bored if apple keep saying there is no virus for mac... I mean im bored arguing about virus
For 3, thats true, they did hack mac first in that competition. it is probably less secure than vista. But i think last week after microsoft posted an update for vista, two hours later, there are codes surfacing in the internet that exploits the update.
For 4, i think they just missed the boat about 5 minutes and it came back. It has been working fine now. And i dont see anyone else doing anything about it. Remember, missing the boat matters only when there is competition for the same service, and apparently not one did anything to take advantage of this. It is safe to say Apple fix the problem before competition comes.
for 5, I dont think apple has ever said that their phone is the best as a phone. Maybe the phone is nothing compared to nokia or BB or some other carrier. and yet, iPhone sales beat BB's phoneS in the smart phone market.. So whats ur point? I feel bad for the people who has sputtering signal but thats not entirely Apple's fault. The carrier might be at fault.
This is moderately funny, even for Redmond... but the real news is that I'm a PC ads are really not getting any traction. Is it just me, or do most of the people in the ads look like losers?
This is great - Microsoft and their dim witted marketing folks are spending their $300M to indirectly advertise for Apple! Think about it. Why would any sane person want to be a PC? Sure some people who stop in the kiosk to record a session saying "I'm a pc" probably do like their Windows experience but chances are they have never even looked at a Mac. Lemmings all. But when you see the "I'm a pc" commercial on TV and ask yourself "why would anyone want to be a pc?" which bring the response "oh yeah, this is Microsoft trying to slam Apple. Microsoft must be on the ropes". Hence Microsoft advertising for Apple. Bring on that MS BS!!!http://forums.appleinsider.com/images/smilies/lol.gif
Question: What computer was FIRST advertised as a 'Personal Computer' (aka 'PC')?
[This is sure to bring the trolls out of the rat holes. Heehee!]
A) The IBM 5150
The MITS Altair 8800
C) The Commodore PET 2001
D) The Apple II
E) The Hewlett Packard 9100A
Time line:
1) Hewlett Packard designed an advertising campaign for the 9100A in 1968 that described it as a 'Personal Computer.' But they scrapped the ad before it was ever published. So the 9100A gets a big BZZZZZZZZT!
2) The Altair 8800 came out in 1975 but was NEVER described as a 'Personal Computer.' That gets a big BZZZZZZZZZZT!
3) The Commodore PET 2001 came out in 1977 and advertised itself as a "Personal Computer." So this gets a big DINGDINGDING!
4) Apple also advertised their first Apple II model later in 1977 as a "Personal Computer." Therefore, this gets a lower volume DINGDINGDING!
5) IBM advertised their first 'Personal Computer', called the 5150, or 'PC', in 1981. So that gets a long and loud BZZZZZZZZZT!
Sorry kids. IBM didn't use the term 'Personal Computer' or 'PC' until 4 full years after it had already been established by Commodore and Apple in 1977.
For 3, thats true, they did hack mac first in that competition. it is probably less secure than vista.
No actually, Vista
(oops! I said that naughty word! Microsoft is gonna get me!)
has been proven repeatedly to be less secure than Mac OS X in several contexts.
However, there have been plenty of vulnerabilities in Mac OS X. The single least secure part of the OS has turned out to be QuickTime, and sadly many of those vulnerabilities port over to the Windows version. Sux. Nonetheless, Apple have been rapidly stamping them out as they come to light, at least much faster than they use to. The pressure on Apple since the Symantec security FUD-fest of 2005 has paid off richly. It's kind of a shame Apple had to be flamed into improving their protocols. But at least it's working.
As for the bogus results from the 'Crack-A-Mac' contest of this past year, here's the facts:
1) The crack for the Mac had already been discovered and tested before the contest even began. This is because the crackers had a full copy of the version of the OS being used in the contest. Note that the crack required a saboteur to act as a clueless luser in order to allow social engineered malware to enter and break the machine's security. That's called 'wetware failure', NOT computer failure. But certainly a flaw in Mac OS X enabled the wetware failure.
2) A crack for Vista had ALSO been discovered and tested before the contest began. However, when the crackers arrived at the contest they found that they were not provided with the version of Vista they had cracked. Instead they were given Vista with SP1 installed. The crack they wanted to use had already been patched. Darn. So they had to start from scratch to (A) Discover a new crack (B) Implement it. This obviously took a long time. Nearly 24 hours of constant work actually.
CONCLUSION: The results of this contest have been endlessly quoted OUT OF CONTEXT, resulting in rampant ignorance about which OS is more secure than the other. The result is actually a draw between Vista and Mac OS X. Surprise!
(oops! I said that naughty word! Microsoft is gonna get me!)
has been proven repeatedly to be less secure than Mac OS X in several contexts.
However, there have been plenty of vulnerabilities in Mac OS X. The single least secure part of the OS has turned out to be QuickTime, and sadly many of those vulnerabilities port over to the Windows version. Sux. Nonetheless, Apple have been rapidly stamping them out as they come to light, at least much faster than they use to. The pressure on Apple since the Symantec security FUD-fest of 2005 has paid off richly. It's kind of a shame Apple had to be flamed into improving their protocols. But at least it's working.
As for the bogus results from the 'Crack-A-Mac' contest of this past year, here's the facts:
1) The crack for the Mac had already been discovered and tested before the contest even began. This is because the crackers had a full copy of the version of the OS being used in the contest. Note that the crack required a saboteur to act as a clueless luser in order to allow social engineered malware to enter and break the machine's security. That's called 'wetware failure', NOT computer failure. But certainly a flaw in Mac OS X enabled the wetware failure.
2) A crack for Vista had ALSO been discovered and tested before the contest began. However, when the crackers arrived at the contest they found that they were not provided with the version of Vista they had cracked. Instead they were given Vista with SP1 installed. The crack they wanted to use had already been patched. Darn. So they had to start from scratch to (A) Discover a new crack (B) Implement it. This obviously took a long time. Nearly 24 hours of constant work actually.
CONCLUSION: The results of this contest have been endlessly quoted OUT OF CONTEXT, resulting in rampant ignorance about which OS is more secure than the other. The result is actually a draw between Vista and Mac OS X. Surprise!
And who was the REAL winner?! LINUX.
Nice work Derek, but let's keep in mind that Windows Vista Home Edition has nonsense security. To get a version of VISTA that matches OS X, or gets close, one must purchase the Professional edition.
As to your first post... GOOOoooo COMMODORE! Yaay.
MS lets get real, here's what will happen, they go to the kiosk then go to the apple store, this will drive more to apple, and you will see it pulled. they should have another kiosk, "i am a mac AND a pc"
what...is MS thinking after a person comes out of the apple store they will be so discouraged they go to windows and vista????
that kiosk is run on windows and vista, that will only crash and send the handlers to mac. i wonder how many kiosk handlers go to the apple store asking for a job? oh yea, they probably have a non compete clause in their employment agreement
What I find strange is why MS has only targeted one Apple Store? Has anyone else spotted any other MS kiosks elsewhere. Perhaps they are trying to see peoples' reaction, as to whether to roll out other kiosks, seeing as so far their advertising has not had the desired effect. They may be trying different tactics to see which one has the best effect. Pathetic.
Comments
For points 1 and 2, the point is Apple used to go on about no Virus's and how Mac OS X just worked. Times have changed and Apple no longer advertises is but Microsoft doesn't do anything to to point out that this is the case.
For point 3, every report I've read in the last year for competitions to hack a machine the fastest where there has been a Mac and Vista machine, the Mac has gone first. Not to mention there has been loads of security flaws for the Mac reported in the last year.
For 4, true they missed the boat on this one but Apple did screw up big time with it.
For 5 yeah I heard of firmware update 2.1 but everyone I know with an iPhone still says the signal quality is rubbish compared to the phone they had before.
Do you own a Mac, or an iPhone?
Do you plan to buy a Mac or an iPhone?
If not, then what's your point, don't you have anything better to do?
If you'd like to learn something, start by asking questions and drop the criticism.
Apple is shown to be having the affect of the large anchor stores, and certainly could sway some malls to prevent that, but unless their contract does state that certain types of competition can't be within x of the store then they have no legal recourse. I figure they have something written in there about Dell kiosks, as I have never seen a Dell kiosk anywhere near an Apple Store entrance.
The malls and shopping centers I worked with were extremely careful in locating businesses, they either kept them together, or set them apart, one thing for sure, they would never allow any of this kind of in your face campaigns, it throws off the harmony of their mall.
They required us to hand over some pictures or artwork of the carts, reasons as to why we needed to put one up, why we cose this mall, our expected profits from this location, they even went as far as asking for samples and packaging designs. I'm not kidding I was involved in setting up several booths in Tysons Corner Mall and Fair Oaks Mall in VA, and the offices are extremely careful as not to disrupt the malls ecosystem in any way. So this thing really surprises me.
I wonder if it's even real or if someone photoshopped a MS booth to look like it was sitting in front of an Apple store.
how about a plan to use this to voice our pleasure with mac, everyone go to the kiosk and make mac happen.
or tell them to spend more money on vista "awareness" that will sure drive more to mac,
or show them the "i'm a pc and mac" commercial about how little MS is using to fix vista
or this:
I wouldn't be surprised SB was in the booth standing on his hands trying to say " I'm a PCccccc"
(that's life between walls).
You started off making little sense and then unraveled any sort of focus from there so i can only answer the first part or your diatribe.
HDMI is not a replacement to FW.
I agree on this, the relationship between FW and HDMI is tangential at best, using FW for video transmission is just one use, and HDMI can't do anything else that HDMI can. My bet is that hiimamac really doesn't know jack about anything technical, and is really confusing HDMI and eSATA because the connectors are vaguely similar.
Are you talking abut the ECC RAM that is required for the Xeon-based Mac Pros? Future Mac Pros won't require ECC so the RAM will be faster and we may lose the heatsinks if the heat is down far enough. If you really think the inclusion of heatsinks are to make the RAM somehow 'proprietary' despite the RAM pins being standard and that many vendors make the RAM with the included heatsinks, and not to actually remove heat from the RAM then I have no way of having a civil conversation with you.
ECC isn't why it needs heat sinks, it's the FBDIMM system. Conventional ECC memory is just memory with an extra memory chip per row, the difference between ECC and non-ECC for some memory cards is whether or not there is a chip in the 9th position. An FBDIMM has a bus arbitration chip that runs very hot, most DIMMs, ECC or otherwise, don't have anything like that.
My first impression was that the attractive lady in the Apple store has a much higher IQ than the daredevil on the MS bike.
I wouldn't be surprised SB was in the booth standing on his hands trying to say " I'm a PCccccc"
(that's life between walls).
Also, isn't that daredevil panel sending the wrong message? It can be easily misconstrued as "I cheat death, therefore I run Windows".
For points 1 and 2, the point is Apple used to go on about no Virus's and how Mac OS X just worked. Times have changed and Apple no longer advertises is but Microsoft doesn't do anything to to point out that this is the case.
For point 3, every report I've read in the last year for competitions to hack a machine the fastest where there has been a Mac and Vista machine, the Mac has gone first. Not to mention there has been loads of security flaws for the Mac reported in the last year.
For 4, true they missed the boat on this one but Apple did screw up big time with it.
For 5 yeah I heard of firmware update 2.1 but everyone I know with an iPhone still says the signal quality is rubbish compared to the phone they had before.
For 1 and 2, maybe people get bored if apple keep saying there is no virus for mac... I mean im bored arguing about virus
For 3, thats true, they did hack mac first in that competition. it is probably less secure than vista. But i think last week after microsoft posted an update for vista, two hours later, there are codes surfacing in the internet that exploits the update.
For 4, i think they just missed the boat about 5 minutes and it came back. It has been working fine now. And i dont see anyone else doing anything about it. Remember, missing the boat matters only when there is competition for the same service, and apparently not one did anything to take advantage of this. It is safe to say Apple fix the problem before competition comes.
for 5, I dont think apple has ever said that their phone is the best as a phone. Maybe the phone is nothing compared to nokia or BB or some other carrier. and yet, iPhone sales beat BB's phoneS in the smart phone market.. So whats ur point? I feel bad for the people who has sputtering signal but thats not entirely Apple's fault. The carrier might be at fault.
This is moderately funny, even for Redmond... but the real news is that I'm a PC ads are really not getting any traction. Is it just me, or do most of the people in the ads look like losers?
Why am I laughing? Because the Macintosh has ALWAYS been 'PC'. The Macintosh has always been able to say "I'm a PC."
It's a marketing term.
No one owns it.
It's generic.
Question: So when was the phrase 'Personal Computer' first published?
Answer: November 3, 1962 in a New York Times article quoting computer engineer John W. Mauchly.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History...sonal_computer
Question: What computer was FIRST advertised as a 'Personal Computer' (aka 'PC')?
[This is sure to bring the trolls out of the rat holes. Heehee!]
A) The IBM 5150
C) The Commodore PET 2001
D) The Apple II
E) The Hewlett Packard 9100A
Time line:
1) Hewlett Packard designed an advertising campaign for the 9100A in 1968 that described it as a 'Personal Computer.' But they scrapped the ad before it was ever published. So the 9100A gets a big BZZZZZZZZT!
2) The Altair 8800 came out in 1975 but was NEVER described as a 'Personal Computer.' That gets a big BZZZZZZZZZZT!
3) The Commodore PET 2001 came out in 1977 and advertised itself as a "Personal Computer." So this gets a big DINGDINGDING!
4) Apple also advertised their first Apple II model later in 1977 as a "Personal Computer." Therefore, this gets a lower volume DINGDINGDING!
5) IBM advertised their first 'Personal Computer', called the 5150, or 'PC', in 1981. So that gets a long and loud BZZZZZZZZZT!
Sorry kids. IBM didn't use the term 'Personal Computer' or 'PC' until 4 full years after it had already been established by Commodore and Apple in 1977.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History...sonal_computer
So what current computer company has more right to use the term PC?
IBM? Obviously not! They were LATE to the game!. They also sold off their PC divisions years ago. They don't even care.
Microsoft? They have only quoted the term already being used by IBM and subsequent clone manufacturers.
Answer: Apple.
So it makes EXCELLENT sense to stick a Kiosk saying "I'm A PC" outside every Apple store in the world. Like DUH!
HAHAHAHAHA! Poor Microsoft. They're bound to get it right one of these days... Aren't they?
For 3, thats true, they did hack mac first in that competition. it is probably less secure than vista.
No actually, Vista
(oops! I said that naughty word! Microsoft is gonna get me!)
has been proven repeatedly to be less secure than Mac OS X in several contexts.
However, there have been plenty of vulnerabilities in Mac OS X. The single least secure part of the OS has turned out to be QuickTime, and sadly many of those vulnerabilities port over to the Windows version. Sux. Nonetheless, Apple have been rapidly stamping them out as they come to light, at least much faster than they use to. The pressure on Apple since the Symantec security FUD-fest of 2005 has paid off richly. It's kind of a shame Apple had to be flamed into improving their protocols. But at least it's working.
As for the bogus results from the 'Crack-A-Mac' contest of this past year, here's the facts:
1) The crack for the Mac had already been discovered and tested before the contest even began. This is because the crackers had a full copy of the version of the OS being used in the contest. Note that the crack required a saboteur to act as a clueless luser in order to allow social engineered malware to enter and break the machine's security. That's called 'wetware failure', NOT computer failure. But certainly a flaw in Mac OS X enabled the wetware failure.
2) A crack for Vista had ALSO been discovered and tested before the contest began. However, when the crackers arrived at the contest they found that they were not provided with the version of Vista they had cracked. Instead they were given Vista with SP1 installed. The crack they wanted to use had already been patched. Darn. So they had to start from scratch to (A) Discover a new crack (B) Implement it. This obviously took a long time. Nearly 24 hours of constant work actually.
CONCLUSION: The results of this contest have been endlessly quoted OUT OF CONTEXT, resulting in rampant ignorance about which OS is more secure than the other. The result is actually a draw between Vista and Mac OS X. Surprise!
And who was the REAL winner?! LINUX.
Nice posts. Welcome to AI.
No actually, Vista
(oops! I said that naughty word! Microsoft is gonna get me!)
has been proven repeatedly to be less secure than Mac OS X in several contexts.
However, there have been plenty of vulnerabilities in Mac OS X. The single least secure part of the OS has turned out to be QuickTime, and sadly many of those vulnerabilities port over to the Windows version. Sux. Nonetheless, Apple have been rapidly stamping them out as they come to light, at least much faster than they use to. The pressure on Apple since the Symantec security FUD-fest of 2005 has paid off richly. It's kind of a shame Apple had to be flamed into improving their protocols. But at least it's working.
As for the bogus results from the 'Crack-A-Mac' contest of this past year, here's the facts:
1) The crack for the Mac had already been discovered and tested before the contest even began. This is because the crackers had a full copy of the version of the OS being used in the contest. Note that the crack required a saboteur to act as a clueless luser in order to allow social engineered malware to enter and break the machine's security. That's called 'wetware failure', NOT computer failure. But certainly a flaw in Mac OS X enabled the wetware failure.
2) A crack for Vista had ALSO been discovered and tested before the contest began. However, when the crackers arrived at the contest they found that they were not provided with the version of Vista they had cracked. Instead they were given Vista with SP1 installed. The crack they wanted to use had already been patched. Darn. So they had to start from scratch to (A) Discover a new crack (B) Implement it. This obviously took a long time. Nearly 24 hours of constant work actually.
CONCLUSION: The results of this contest have been endlessly quoted OUT OF CONTEXT, resulting in rampant ignorance about which OS is more secure than the other. The result is actually a draw between Vista and Mac OS X. Surprise!
And who was the REAL winner?! LINUX.
Nice work Derek, but let's keep in mind that Windows Vista Home Edition has nonsense security. To get a version of VISTA that matches OS X, or gets close, one must purchase the Professional edition.
As to your first post... GOOOoooo COMMODORE! Yaay.
what...is MS thinking after a person comes out of the apple store they will be so discouraged they go to windows and vista????
that kiosk is run on windows and vista, that will only crash and send the handlers to mac. i wonder how many kiosk handlers go to the apple store asking for a job? oh yea, they probably have a non compete clause in their employment agreement
Interesting move, we'll see if anyone is a fan of it.