This is what the ipod and iphone crowd have done to Apple, brought on a bunch of whining crybabies, who feel they should be entitled to everything. Oh Apple didn't add copy and paste even though it wasn't promised to you when you bought the phone, Apple is evil, Steve Jobs is ruining the company. I guess this is what success breeds, a bunch of leeches.
Thats terrible quality..... The problem is in the US some aspects of mobile technology are way behind. Video is obviously one of them as is imaging.
It isn't so much that quality is way behind as it is that customers in the USA are less gullible about cell phone camera quality. It hasn't been a big issue because even a cheap point and shoot offers dramatically better quality. In other words if quality was a consideration you would reach for a cell phone.
Then there is the cultural issues. Let's face it the upskirt and other candid uses of a cell phone are kinda frowned upon in the US. Even in social events with friends you could end up with some very negative energy directed at you if you whipped out a cell phone camera and started snapping pics.
So it is not so much a question of being behind as it is a community rejecting the supposed need or importance of a feature. IPhone became hot in the US not because of it's camera (something no one gives a damn about) but rather because of it's net centric nature. It is a question of valuing different things. The right things if I may be so bold as to say so
The day may come when cell phone cameras reach a quality level that will cause the average user, in the US, to take notice but it hasn't happened yet. Most importantly adding more megapixels in and of itsel isn't the answer on an iPhone. A combination of things is needed to truly up camera quality to the point of being competitive with point and shoots. It is not just pixels but also image noise, exposure lattitude, depth of field control and other missing elements that lead to flat pictures from cell phones. Until such is addressed on cell phones they will be an after thought and won't be driving sales in and of themselves.
Define many? a dozen people complaining is too many too me, but when compared to the 2M units Apple will sell this quarter your many may just a few whiners that don't affect Apple's bottom line.
You they are will willing to pay Apple's "premium price" but then fail to mention the MBP, iMac, Mac mini and Mac Pro with FW, as well as the MB for $999. There are plenty of options for those who want a Mac and want/need FireWire. You aren't helping your argument by only focusing on the few that want FW on a MB that has a new case. You can't deny that those people are a very, very small percentage of Apple's user base.
The new Apple Displays don't have FW either and they're used for pro apps too.
The real issue is that Apple is not listening to their customers. Yes they do provide some things that are of use to customers such as bug fixes but that should be expected of any developer.
Yes and bug fixes need to be very high priority for any developer! This is exactly what Apple has been focused on, that is much needed bug fixes. Frankly that is a clear example of listening to their customers because the number one issue with iPhone has been bugs.
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The reality is that several features such as MMS, video recording and tethering have been available for several months but Apple has chosen to either ignore these third party app developers or block them entirely from posting in the App Store.
That is exactly right an is how they have their business set up. It is up to you to buy into their business model. As to tethering you would have to be an idiot to believe that AT&T would accept such without restrictions. The simple fact is that 3G could handle a bunch of iPhone tethered to whatever computer. I really can't believe you don't know this as you seem to write well. Then again the ability to compose doesn't imply a grasp of anything I Guess.
As to MMS, honestly I hope Apple never supports it. At best it is an expensive and poorly supported feature that seems to be the play ground of perverts. A lot of people don't want to hear that and I may be a little left field with respect to that but I really have this opinion of MMS users as being emotionally disturbed.
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MMS is a feature that has been common place in the cellphone market for years and is available on the most basic of cellphones. It makes no sense that Apple can't provide such features to their customers.
It makes perfect sense not to invlove your business in something that is less than ethical. Apple had to support testing because they had little choice but that doesn't make it a good thing. The cost of text messages is outragous. In Apples case they at least have a sound alternative.
It is also interesting that AT&T made testing optional which I take as an admission that the business is less than ethical. I suspect we will see lots of pressure in the future to redefine testing services and the costs associated with them. No one needs negative press no matter how much cash the service brings in.
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I can see potential for the iPhone 3G to be a very useful device in consumers daily lives but only if Apple puts real work into providing missing features that their competitors are already offering.
You are really living in the past here as iPhone has proven to offer up exactly the sorts of features customers will lay out money for by the millions. Most people don't give a damn about MMS, tethering or any of the other crap people whine about here.
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A first step would be to actually listen to their customers feedback even when it's negative instead of deleting posts relating to missing features on their Apple User to User Discussion Forum.
Well if it was a post with the same tone as yours here of course it would be removed! First you have to realize that iPhone was never advertised with MMS support or movie recording support. So I don't understand why you expect a retrofit. Frankly there is little in the way of a good arguement to have such. Your whinning and tone here is a good reason to never support such features!
Second you have a very weird set of priorities if you think bug fixes are less important than MMS. Apple has managed updates to the 3G at least ever two months to improve it's behaviour. The current update (2.2) is remarkably better than the past releases and you are not happy about that! Why? Really I can't see anybody installing this update and not liking the overall better functionality. Improving and stabilizing the OS is exactly what Apple should have been focused on and apparently is exactly what they hammered out.
So far all the people calling us whiners and backing up what apple is doing sound like fanboys.
But you purchased the phone irrespective of your own needs/wants. By definition, that makes you the fanboy. And In the future, let your money do the talking - that is, if you aren't satisfied with what is being sold, don't buy it.
Although it was months ago that cut copy and paste was publicly acknowledged as being a 'feature' (I can't believe I even need to call it that) was on the list of things to do.
The only acknowledgement I can recall of was that it wasn't a high priority. At this point it shouldn't be as the OS needed stabilization.
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But that was months and months ago, was street view really higher on that list?
I don't think it is so much an issue of priority as it is something that was easy to complete in an already existing app. This is a key reality, street view cost them very little in development effort on an app that was already fairly sound. Copy and Past on the other hand is a huge issue.
Copy and Past means a whole new set of APIs that have to be engineered and tested. As such existing apps would have to be also reworked to use the feature. So you are talking about rewriting a huge number of apps to make use of the feature. Frankly C&P strikes me as something for 3.0 a year or two from now.
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I mean really, defending them on this is futile, it's not really a feature, it should have been there out of the box or in an update soon after the original launch.
Not really! First I can't remember them ever advertising that copy and past was coming. Second it isn't a feature normally associated with cell phones. Finally it may not have been considered as part of the usage model the original API was built around.
As to your objections to defending this do realize that it isn't so much a defense as it is an effort to highlight that the feature isn't coming anytime soon. The primary issue there is the need to rework the APIs and every app that might use C&P. There is no provision for such in the API.
The difference is huge. C&P means a whole new API, street view meant finishing an app. Of all the whinning here I can see the need for C&P eventually, I just realize there are a lot more important issues to resolve like stability for one. Frankly it would have been irresponsible for Apple to morph in a C&P API when there where so many issues with the existing APIs.
Thanks Dave for a reasonable analysis of the issues surrounding Cut and Paste. I agree entirely.
Building upon what Dave stated, here is a video of how Apple will most likely implement copy/paste. The creator of this video is the one who coded the first app for the iPhone with copy/paste. What is ironic about it is that many used this app as an example to show just how easy it would be to do, yet the developer states in the video how much more difficult it would be for Apple.
This morning I was really excited about safari. It seemed to be running a lot smoother and didn't crash on sites it normally crashes on for me. But... it still does crash... out of about 2 hours of usage it crashed once. Then after about 3 and 1/2 hours more it crashed a second time. So it is improved I will give apple that. Less lag and less crashes, but the crashes still exist. This
I'm not excusing Safari crashing at all, it crashed for me on 2.2. But how do you use it for 3.5 hours? Holy crap!
Oh right, we're supposed to just take whatever Apple gives us and say "oh, thank you, thank you.."
What, am I supposed to pretend I don't need copy and paste, even though I wish I had it once or twice a week? Am I supposed to think "Great, I've got street view now in google maps" even though I've never once needed it? If Apple doesn't know that people want something, then why would they add it?
I think the only responsible thing to do, if you care about a product, is to complain long and loud about the things that matter to you. For me, not having copy and paste is a big deal. Maybe its not to you... I don't understand what you're doing with your iPhone that it wouldn't be, but that's OK. You're happy with your phone as it is, and I'm glad for you.
Don't worry, only blind fanboys defend Apple on their copy & paste stance.
Like for example, when the MACBOOK was not NVIDIA, it used to benchmark (starting) at 70%, then went to 120%, then 140%, then 170% and still didn't work well for games but then the PRO user found out you could run motion, so what did apple do? They released the X300 and it cut it all the way to 70%. Why? It only affected 1% of the market, so why bother? Well, apple wants their money and the PRO simple cannot use the MACBOOK.
Sorry but this is just rambling nonsense.
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Apple just screwing/toying with us so we can all go out and re-buy the newer iPhone with Video when it comes out.
Its possible Apple will want to use better technology for video recording, that being if they ever enable video recording.
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SEE COMMENT about other countries and streaming VIDEO, TELEVISION, MOVIES while we still lack ability to attach image to text let alone video. Sure there are some providers with streaming video, but no REAL TIME television, news, cable as in other countries and with network speeds faster than most users cable/dsl. Heck my connection is faster than 92% of the country (USA) compared to most, but our networks have a long, long, L-O-N-G way to go.
I don't understand why people think live broadcast television on your phone is futuristic. Who is going to live by a broadcast schedule to watch a program on their phone. Video on demand is much more suitable for a mobile device.
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I really am starting to think that Steve is losing it.
People have been doubting Steve Jobs decisions since 1998 when he returned to Apple. In that time Apple was brought back from the brink of death to being one of the best known brands in the world.
The two of you apparently missed the posters point or you understood it but chose to divert the argument.
When someone makes a purchase with high expectations or 'emotional involvement' (aka fanboy) then the OP is correct, they will justify that purchase shortly after making it even if it's not what they expected or needed. If you don't think marketing has something to do with that psychology then you are too stupid.
I agree marketing is a powerful force. But if you need a product for specific functionality its incumbent on the consumer to research before they buy. On top of that you have 14 days to return it.
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Although it was months ago that cut copy and paste was publicly acknowledged as being a 'feature' (I can't believe I even need to call it that) was on the list of things to do. But that was months and months ago, was street view really higher on that list? I mean really, defending them on this is futile, it's not really a feature, it should have been there out of the box or in an update soon after the original launch.
The only people who can answer these questions are people working in the iPhone development departments. I don't see the point to constantly complaining. Apple will release copy and paste when they feel they are ready, if they ever release it at all.
Ultimately what will determine whether Apple's choices are correct or not will be sales, not your complaining on the internet. I think many of you complain loudly because you know most people don't care and will continue to purchase Apple products.
Apple in the early 90's was completely different from what it is now. The company had directionless leadership and was loosing the OS war to Microsoft. The two periods in time have nothing in common.
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This thread is a typical iPhone thread, and it's a serious indication to what's in store for Apple if they don't change their attitude. I was watching c'nets podcast yesterday and again one of the callers, a mac user, was asking for what new PC he should buy because he didn't appreciate the way Apple was handling things, such as the omission of the FW in the new MB. Now you can bring all your fanboy reasonings, but the bottom line is that many people are upset, not because they are whiners but because they aren't getting the things they need even after paying Apple's premium price. Apple had this attitude back in the early 90's, and by the mid 90's they lost everything, their education market fell from well over 80% to a measly 10% and less.
The thing is when I got the phone it was ahead of the curve and what it does do it does well. The problem is the rest if the market is catching up and others options are emerging, this means those not locked in contract will be bleeding away from the I-phone when they get sick of not getting what they want. The onle reason Apple isn't concerned right now is the fact that almost everyone is still locked in and won't/can't jump ship.
It's coming and I promise you people will remember how Apple handled things when considering future purchases. You don't keep market share pulling crap like this.
Companies began announcing iPhone killers and clones soon after it was announced in January 2007, before the iPhone was even available for sale. In that time many phones have come and gone that were supposed to finally be the phone to conquer the iPhone. Over that time the iPhone has gone from nothing to the second best selling smartphone in the world.
Exactly what do you expect the other mobile manufactures to do that they are not doing now?
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As stated above this is exactly the attitude of Apple when they needed rescued once before. Who is going to save them from Steve Jobs?
Are you working on that myth that Microsoft saved Apple. This is not true. Microsoft invested a small amount of money in Apple and guaranteed continued development of Office for the Mac. This is during the time that MS was in trouble for anti-competitive behavior. It served MS interest to behave in a manner that appeared to support its competitors.
But you purchased the phone irrespective of your own needs/wants. By definition, that makes you the fanboy. And In the future, let your money do the talking - that is, if you aren't satisfied with what is being sold, don't buy it.
And if Apple or whoever evolves said product into something you don't like you should just accept it and not address it- right?
Companies began announcing iPhone killers and clones soon after it was announced in January 2007, before the iPhone was even available for sale. In that time many phones have come and gone that were supposed to finally be the phone to conquer the iPhone. Over that time the iPhone has gone from nothing to the second best selling smartphone in the world.
Even you have to agree that getting to the top and staying on top are two completely different things.. they proved they can get to the top...but can they stay there? That's what I am questioning.
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Exactly what do you expect the other mobile manufactures to do that they are not doing now?
Interface design.. so far most of the 'i-phone killers' have flat out been crap in layout and overall implentation... they have better 'features' but missed Apples 'magic' when it comes to design layout and aesthetics.
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Are you working on that myth that Microsoft saved Apple. This is not true. Microsoft invested a small amount of money in Apple and guaranteed continued development of Office for the Mac. This is during the time that MS was in trouble for anti-competitive behavior. It served MS interest to behave in a manner that appeared to support its competitors.
Not at all... (I dont believe I mentioned MS at all)... merely stating the age old 'Those who ignore the past are doomed to repeat it' speal.
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Thats terrible quality..... The problem is in the US some aspects of mobile technology are way behind. Video is obviously one of them as is imaging.
It isn't so much that quality is way behind as it is that customers in the USA are less gullible about cell phone camera quality. It hasn't been a big issue because even a cheap point and shoot offers dramatically better quality. In other words if quality was a consideration you would reach for a cell phone.
Then there is the cultural issues. Let's face it the upskirt and other candid uses of a cell phone are kinda frowned upon in the US. Even in social events with friends you could end up with some very negative energy directed at you if you whipped out a cell phone camera and started snapping pics.
So it is not so much a question of being behind as it is a community rejecting the supposed need or importance of a feature. IPhone became hot in the US not because of it's camera (something no one gives a damn about) but rather because of it's net centric nature. It is a question of valuing different things. The right things if I may be so bold as to say so
The day may come when cell phone cameras reach a quality level that will cause the average user, in the US, to take notice but it hasn't happened yet. Most importantly adding more megapixels in and of itsel isn't the answer on an iPhone. A combination of things is needed to truly up camera quality to the point of being competitive with point and shoots. It is not just pixels but also image noise, exposure lattitude, depth of field control and other missing elements that lead to flat pictures from cell phones. Until such is addressed on cell phones they will be an after thought and won't be driving sales in and of themselves.
Dave
Define many? a dozen people complaining is too many too me, but when compared to the 2M units Apple will sell this quarter your many may just a few whiners that don't affect Apple's bottom line.
You they are will willing to pay Apple's "premium price" but then fail to mention the MBP, iMac, Mac mini and Mac Pro with FW, as well as the MB for $999. There are plenty of options for those who want a Mac and want/need FireWire. You aren't helping your argument by only focusing on the few that want FW on a MB that has a new case. You can't deny that those people are a very, very small percentage of Apple's user base.
The new Apple Displays don't have FW either and they're used for pro apps too.
The new Apple Displays don't have FW either and they're used for pro apps too.
What does that have to do with anything we are discussing?
Dave,
The real issue is that Apple is not listening to their customers. Yes they do provide some things that are of use to customers such as bug fixes but that should be expected of any developer.
Yes and bug fixes need to be very high priority for any developer! This is exactly what Apple has been focused on, that is much needed bug fixes. Frankly that is a clear example of listening to their customers because the number one issue with iPhone has been bugs.
The reality is that several features such as MMS, video recording and tethering have been available for several months but Apple has chosen to either ignore these third party app developers or block them entirely from posting in the App Store.
That is exactly right an is how they have their business set up. It is up to you to buy into their business model. As to tethering you would have to be an idiot to believe that AT&T would accept such without restrictions. The simple fact is that 3G could handle a bunch of iPhone tethered to whatever computer. I really can't believe you don't know this as you seem to write well. Then again the ability to compose doesn't imply a grasp of anything I Guess.
As to MMS, honestly I hope Apple never supports it. At best it is an expensive and poorly supported feature that seems to be the play ground of perverts. A lot of people don't want to hear that and I may be a little left field with respect to that but I really have this opinion of MMS users as being emotionally disturbed.
MMS is a feature that has been common place in the cellphone market for years and is available on the most basic of cellphones. It makes no sense that Apple can't provide such features to their customers.
It makes perfect sense not to invlove your business in something that is less than ethical. Apple had to support testing because they had little choice but that doesn't make it a good thing. The cost of text messages is outragous. In Apples case they at least have a sound alternative.
It is also interesting that AT&T made testing optional which I take as an admission that the business is less than ethical. I suspect we will see lots of pressure in the future to redefine testing services and the costs associated with them. No one needs negative press no matter how much cash the service brings in.
I can see potential for the iPhone 3G to be a very useful device in consumers daily lives but only if Apple puts real work into providing missing features that their competitors are already offering.
You are really living in the past here as iPhone has proven to offer up exactly the sorts of features customers will lay out money for by the millions. Most people don't give a damn about MMS, tethering or any of the other crap people whine about here.
A first step would be to actually listen to their customers feedback even when it's negative instead of deleting posts relating to missing features on their Apple User to User Discussion Forum.
Well if it was a post with the same tone as yours here of course it would be removed! First you have to realize that iPhone was never advertised with MMS support or movie recording support. So I don't understand why you expect a retrofit. Frankly there is little in the way of a good arguement to have such. Your whinning and tone here is a good reason to never support such features!
Second you have a very weird set of priorities if you think bug fixes are less important than MMS. Apple has managed updates to the 3G at least ever two months to improve it's behaviour. The current update (2.2) is remarkably better than the past releases and you are not happy about that! Why? Really I can't see anybody installing this update and not liking the overall better functionality. Improving and stabilizing the OS is exactly what Apple should have been focused on and apparently is exactly what they hammered out.
Dave
So far all the people calling us whiners and backing up what apple is doing sound like fanboys.
But you purchased the phone irrespective of your own needs/wants. By definition, that makes you the fanboy. And In the future, let your money do the talking - that is, if you aren't satisfied with what is being sold, don't buy it.
Although it was months ago that cut copy and paste was publicly acknowledged as being a 'feature' (I can't believe I even need to call it that) was on the list of things to do.
The only acknowledgement I can recall of was that it wasn't a high priority. At this point it shouldn't be as the OS needed stabilization.
But that was months and months ago, was street view really higher on that list?
I don't think it is so much an issue of priority as it is something that was easy to complete in an already existing app. This is a key reality, street view cost them very little in development effort on an app that was already fairly sound. Copy and Past on the other hand is a huge issue.
Copy and Past means a whole new set of APIs that have to be engineered and tested. As such existing apps would have to be also reworked to use the feature. So you are talking about rewriting a huge number of apps to make use of the feature. Frankly C&P strikes me as something for 3.0 a year or two from now.
I mean really, defending them on this is futile, it's not really a feature, it should have been there out of the box or in an update soon after the original launch.
Not really! First I can't remember them ever advertising that copy and past was coming. Second it isn't a feature normally associated with cell phones. Finally it may not have been considered as part of the usage model the original API was built around.
As to your objections to defending this do realize that it isn't so much a defense as it is an effort to highlight that the feature isn't coming anytime soon. The primary issue there is the need to rework the APIs and every app that might use C&P. There is no provision for such in the API.
The difference is huge. C&P means a whole new API, street view meant finishing an app. Of all the whinning here I can see the need for C&P eventually, I just realize there are a lot more important issues to resolve like stability for one. Frankly it would have been irresponsible for Apple to morph in a C&P API when there where so many issues with the existing APIs.
Dave
Thanks Dave for a reasonable analysis of the issues surrounding Cut and Paste. I agree entirely.
Building upon what Dave stated, here is a video of how Apple will most likely implement copy/paste. The creator of this video is the one who coded the first app for the iPhone with copy/paste. What is ironic about it is that many used this app as an example to show just how easy it would be to do, yet the developer states in the video how much more difficult it would be for Apple.
Not really! First I can't remember them ever advertising that copy and past was coming.
I didn't think anyone said it was advertised. It was discussed in an interview.
Second it isn't a feature normally associated with cell phones.
It's not just a cell phone though. That is too low of a bar. It is a PDA / cell phone combination.
This morning I was really excited about safari. It seemed to be running a lot smoother and didn't crash on sites it normally crashes on for me. But... it still does crash... out of about 2 hours of usage it crashed once. Then after about 3 and 1/2 hours more it crashed a second time. So it is improved I will give apple that. Less lag and less crashes, but the crashes still exist. This
I'm not excusing Safari crashing at all, it crashed for me on 2.2. But how do you use it for 3.5 hours? Holy crap!
Oh right, we're supposed to just take whatever Apple gives us and say "oh, thank you, thank you.."
What, am I supposed to pretend I don't need copy and paste, even though I wish I had it once or twice a week? Am I supposed to think "Great, I've got street view now in google maps" even though I've never once needed it? If Apple doesn't know that people want something, then why would they add it?
I think the only responsible thing to do, if you care about a product, is to complain long and loud about the things that matter to you. For me, not having copy and paste is a big deal. Maybe its not to you... I don't understand what you're doing with your iPhone that it wouldn't be, but that's OK. You're happy with your phone as it is, and I'm glad for you.
Don't worry, only blind fanboys defend Apple on their copy & paste stance.
Like for example, when the MACBOOK was not NVIDIA, it used to benchmark (starting) at 70%, then went to 120%, then 140%, then 170% and still didn't work well for games but then the PRO user found out you could run motion, so what did apple do? They released the X300 and it cut it all the way to 70%. Why? It only affected 1% of the market, so why bother? Well, apple wants their money and the PRO simple cannot use the MACBOOK.
Sorry but this is just rambling nonsense.
Apple just screwing/toying with us so we can all go out and re-buy the newer iPhone with Video when it comes out.
Its possible Apple will want to use better technology for video recording, that being if they ever enable video recording.
SEE COMMENT about other countries and streaming VIDEO, TELEVISION, MOVIES while we still lack ability to attach image to text let alone video. Sure there are some providers with streaming video, but no REAL TIME television, news, cable as in other countries and with network speeds faster than most users cable/dsl. Heck my connection is faster than 92% of the country (USA) compared to most, but our networks have a long, long, L-O-N-G way to go.
I don't understand why people think live broadcast television on your phone is futuristic. Who is going to live by a broadcast schedule to watch a program on their phone. Video on demand is much more suitable for a mobile device.
I really am starting to think that Steve is losing it.
People have been doubting Steve Jobs decisions since 1998 when he returned to Apple. In that time Apple was brought back from the brink of death to being one of the best known brands in the world.
The two of you apparently missed the posters point or you understood it but chose to divert the argument.
When someone makes a purchase with high expectations or 'emotional involvement' (aka fanboy) then the OP is correct, they will justify that purchase shortly after making it even if it's not what they expected or needed. If you don't think marketing has something to do with that psychology then you are too stupid.
I agree marketing is a powerful force. But if you need a product for specific functionality its incumbent on the consumer to research before they buy. On top of that you have 14 days to return it.
Although it was months ago that cut copy and paste was publicly acknowledged as being a 'feature' (I can't believe I even need to call it that) was on the list of things to do. But that was months and months ago, was street view really higher on that list? I mean really, defending them on this is futile, it's not really a feature, it should have been there out of the box or in an update soon after the original launch.
The only people who can answer these questions are people working in the iPhone development departments. I don't see the point to constantly complaining. Apple will release copy and paste when they feel they are ready, if they ever release it at all.
Apple in the early 90's was completely different from what it is now. The company had directionless leadership and was loosing the OS war to Microsoft. The two periods in time have nothing in common.
This thread is a typical iPhone thread, and it's a serious indication to what's in store for Apple if they don't change their attitude. I was watching c'nets podcast yesterday and again one of the callers, a mac user, was asking for what new PC he should buy because he didn't appreciate the way Apple was handling things, such as the omission of the FW in the new MB. Now you can bring all your fanboy reasonings, but the bottom line is that many people are upset, not because they are whiners but because they aren't getting the things they need even after paying Apple's premium price. Apple had this attitude back in the early 90's, and by the mid 90's they lost everything, their education market fell from well over 80% to a measly 10% and less.
The thing is when I got the phone it was ahead of the curve and what it does do it does well. The problem is the rest if the market is catching up and others options are emerging, this means those not locked in contract will be bleeding away from the I-phone when they get sick of not getting what they want. The onle reason Apple isn't concerned right now is the fact that almost everyone is still locked in and won't/can't jump ship.
It's coming and I promise you people will remember how Apple handled things when considering future purchases. You don't keep market share pulling crap like this.
Companies began announcing iPhone killers and clones soon after it was announced in January 2007, before the iPhone was even available for sale. In that time many phones have come and gone that were supposed to finally be the phone to conquer the iPhone. Over that time the iPhone has gone from nothing to the second best selling smartphone in the world.
Exactly what do you expect the other mobile manufactures to do that they are not doing now?
As stated above this is exactly the attitude of Apple when they needed rescued once before. Who is going to save them from Steve Jobs?
Are you working on that myth that Microsoft saved Apple. This is not true. Microsoft invested a small amount of money in Apple and guaranteed continued development of Office for the Mac. This is during the time that MS was in trouble for anti-competitive behavior. It served MS interest to behave in a manner that appeared to support its competitors.
Don't worry, only blind fanboys defend Apple on their copy & paste stance.
But you purchased the phone irrespective of your own needs/wants. By definition, that makes you the fanboy. And In the future, let your money do the talking - that is, if you aren't satisfied with what is being sold, don't buy it.
And if Apple or whoever evolves said product into something you don't like you should just accept it and not address it- right?
Not only were we too stupid to return it in the alloted time, we were doubly stupid to be taken in by slick but empty advertising.
So- does that make you triply stupid for not knowing the merits of cut & paste?
Companies began announcing iPhone killers and clones soon after it was announced in January 2007, before the iPhone was even available for sale. In that time many phones have come and gone that were supposed to finally be the phone to conquer the iPhone. Over that time the iPhone has gone from nothing to the second best selling smartphone in the world.
Even you have to agree that getting to the top and staying on top are two completely different things.. they proved they can get to the top...but can they stay there? That's what I am questioning.
Exactly what do you expect the other mobile manufactures to do that they are not doing now?
Interface design.. so far most of the 'i-phone killers' have flat out been crap in layout and overall implentation... they have better 'features' but missed Apples 'magic' when it comes to design layout and aesthetics.
Are you working on that myth that Microsoft saved Apple. This is not true. Microsoft invested a small amount of money in Apple and guaranteed continued development of Office for the Mac. This is during the time that MS was in trouble for anti-competitive behavior. It served MS interest to behave in a manner that appeared to support its competitors.
Not at all... (I dont believe I mentioned MS at all)... merely stating the age old 'Those who ignore the past are doomed to repeat it' speal.