I don't suppose I'll ever fathom the reasoning behind the argument that Apple's hardware is "overpriced." Does anyone, anyone at all, ever buy anything which they regard to be overpriced? Assuming it's not the only bottle of water to be found in the middle of the desert, is it not fundamentally true that any price you are willing to pay for a thing is a fair price?
I don't suppose I'll ever fathom the reasoning behind the argument that Apple's hardware is "overpriced." Does anyone, anyone at all, ever buy anything which they regard to be overpriced? Assuming it's not the only bottle of water to be found in the middle of the desert, is it not fundamentally true that any price you are willing to pay for a thing is a fair price?
Yes. But this way of thinking is too logical and reasonable to fly around here.
b. My first thought when she picked the dell for that price (and the guy said, 'its the last one') would have made me say--is it because its discontinued?? So..are you buying an OLDER machine, well if yes..then of course its cheaper.
c. The law student is hot... I know I said it, but its worth saying twice.
Why does APPLE fail to mention the software advantage of owning a MAC.
You cannot just buy a PC and go online with it. To do so would be foolhardy.
A thousand for a PC... Then a security suite. Maybe $60 and this will slow down your PC. Then the time invested in updates and anti virus updates and scans and etc.... Then additional software for registry repairs that the firewall and security suite failed to prevent. Then the time sorting through the web sites you want to accept and those that might be mirror sites with bad code. It is nuts.
Or one can pay a little more and have a quality laptop made of aluminum... NOT cheap plastic. Software that is fully designed to function without surprises. And not having to delete trial software that comes with most PC's. With a MAC, just drag and drop an unwanted program into the trash. No worry about effecting programs you want to keep.
Windows depends on emotional adds because when all the facts are examined. MAC rules!!!
I own a PC and a MAC. Guess the one I am using...LOL
Friend don't let friends buy PC's... Cuz once you tried Mac...you ain't goin back!
b. My first thought when she picked the dell for that price (and the guy said, 'its the last one') would have made me say--is it because its discontinued?? So..are you buying an OLDER machine, well if yes..then of course its cheaper.
c. The law student is hot... I know I said it, but its worth saying twice.
Chris
I purchased my MAC at Best Buy as a last years model.(Nice Price)It rips the PC I bought 9 months earlier. PC's have too many issues. My MAC works and my time is more valuable then to waste with a dysfunctional PC.
Yes. But this way of thinking is too logical and reasonable to fly around here.
It is also Economics 101. I wonder if anyone troubles themselves as much about why people will happily pay three times more for a cup of coffee at Starbucks than they will at Dunkin' Doughnuts.
They're also focusing on configurations which is where Apple comes up short. You can't get a consumer 15" or 17". If you want those screen sizes, you have to get the absolute top of the line.
Not only that, the get out the vote fan Jobs can do no wrong, love, love to compare say a Dell to a mac, price it out they love to day. What we should really do is benchmark these systems and compare a i7 system. Thing is, apple is ecpensives as they choose this routeti get more of your money. Why the ECC memory, why the server chips, it could have been an i7 and what's worse, as the tech crowd figured out they could change the ram, and Gpu, I remember a $75 gpu being $490 at apple, apple designs special we are going to rip you off memory seats, just to, well, rip you off. There is no need for it. None whatsoever.
Not only that, the get out the vote fan Jobs can do no wrong, love, love to compare say a Dell to a mac, price it out they love to day. What we should really do is benchmark these systems and compare a i7 system. Thing is, apple is ecpensives as they choose this routeti get more of your money. Why the ECC memory, why the server chips, it could have been an i7 and what's worse, as the tech crowd figured out they could change the ram, and Gpu, I remember a $75 gpu being $490 at apple, apple designs special we are going to rip you off memory seats, just to, well, rip you off. There is no need for it. None whatsoever.
Try pricing a Dell T7500 against a Mac Pro Nehalem (be sure to use 55xx Xeon processors for both). Apple is actually a good bit cheaper!
You make good points about Apple hardware, there's no secret it's overpriced, but you are now paying more for software that while it is better than what Apple offers, you are still paying for it.
I looked it up on Adobe's site and Premiere elements and Photoshop elements are both $100 each, so I don't see where you can get both of these applications for $99, but in my book that's $200 spent on software that an Apple already ships with (even if it's not quite as good). Also, Pixelmator (only for Mac) is both cheaper and as useful as Photoshop Elements.
I don't think Premiere can even author DVDs at all so I'm thinking on the PC side you're going to be buying another $50-100 piece of software.
Being smart enough to run a Windows computer without getting a virus is too much to ask of a typical user. I have been running Windows for years without viruses as well, but you and I aren't your typical computer buyer. The fact is that Vista is certainly an improvement on security, but if you are a typical Windows user that means either getting a poor free anti-virus solution or paying upwards of $60/year for anti-virus protection.
OS X's ties to Apple's hardware are the only major disadvantage to owning a Mac. Nobody's forcing anyone to get one, but unfortunately Apple is the only real competitor to Microsoft's OS on a consumer level. The reality is that it doesn't really matter what hardware you get, it's all made by contracted chinese factories no matter which brand you buy.
Some people choose Macs because there is a software value and a lower total cost of ownership that far outweighs the initial hardware cost. Maybe for some the TCO of a PC is lower because of their software needs, but most home consumers the TCO of a Mac is probably lower.
You can find Premiere and Photoshop Elements bundles for $99 at Best Buy and Amazon if you look (retails for $120 but often on sale). Premiere Elements does author DVDs and has many other output options including burning Blu-Ray discs. You can also output an AVCHD file and burn on a standard DVD that will play in Blu-Ray players.
But he's right. I worked fir apple retail. You used to stay away from customers, now you have to approach them. Apple used to be about creative, graphics, avid, pro tools, then came fcp, avid was not pleased, and neither was divi when logic was scooped up. But then came the iPhone. And all the 1 to 1 trainers that knew motion, fcp, shake were gone, it became about baby strollers, barking dog, grandmothers that wanted to learn email attachments. Next time you visit an apple store, ask a trainer if they know final cut, 1 outof 10 might know it. Shake? Forget it. None will know. They even seperated pro care. Pro care and one to one was the same program. Now you need to dpesnd double to get both. It's all about iPhone and consumer joe. Meanwhile, when the MacBook could run fcp and motion while benchmarking at 171% in openGL, apple went out if their way to stop the .01% user base from using the cheap douriin for high end apps and the released a new gma that dropped the openGL from 171% all the way down to 70%. Nice way to reward us creatives fir sticking buy you/apple for all thoses years. Then the new nvidia gpu came out, you could run pro apps again only this time apple removed FireWire so now the pros could not attach video cameras and musicians could not use FireWire audio devices, and IT peeps could not boot to target disk, and all to stop a pro user from buying a cheap solution. The sad part is apple fails to realize the to would buy the cheap solution as a backup, not their man rig.
Then all the fanboys argued apple knew what they were doing and that FireWire was no longer needed, obviously they were not pros, and have never benchmarked USB vs FireWire not to mention most high end audio used FireWire but then apple released the mini with FireWire and a decent GPU, the fanboys were speechless, they had no retort. For the pro, they realized they could now buy a backup system cheaply but apple would NOT allow the pro to have something portable which even at the apple site, most remote stories about us pros, had MacBook pros on location. You can't take a mini into the woods or on location. Plus apple reduced the CPU and made the machines slower.
I am really surprised how much the pro has been dumped on and how apple only cares about iPhone and iLife users. Amazing. New fcp and logic rumored to be coming but if you want portable FireWire you need to spend $2000 minium. And one to one trainers? Theyare mostly ilife specialists.
Aple used to be about creatives and the mac pro used to be a affordable solution, the iMac used to have matte screens and were in many graphic departments but they are so powerful CPU wise, apple decides to make you buy the pro. To make sure, not only did the iMac come in glossy, they reduced the GPU power.
The segment that stuck with apple through thick and thin are the users apple hurt the most. Stunning. It's become all about barking dog, crying baby, how do I send an email attachment. The good news though is that there is a silent, growing crowd of switchers who know what a front side bus is, how fast 1066 vs 667 is, that opengl can be used to help the CPU rendering process, and more importantly, price to performance and while their voice may be silent now, not making a difference, it's only a matter of time before they, combined with the to users and a small portion of 2 year expired iphone users, made thief voices heard. Apple will have no choice but to respond.
Godspeed all, may you reach your dreams.
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i hope you feel better now after your long tirade . need a hug ??, anyway the glossy looks great .
and apple invests a ton of money for research .
and dude you got lucky getting away with using a cheap graphic screen for a while . you guys make a ton of money so go buy the correct top o line screen you need
I was just at Best Buy and saw three people leaving with Vista laptops. People believe these lies.
As usual there was no employee at the Apple section. And the computers had no content so you couldn't play with the iLife apps. People come over, take a peek, look at the price and run away.
Correct me if I'm wrong but don't best buy and frys employees work off commision? I know Fry's does. Probably why you never see employees at the Appke section. Why bother. No money in selling their products.
You used to work for Apple as a genius and got fired (for your obvious bad attitude and poor interpersonal skills), and thus are a bitter, ex-Apple employee with an axe to grind.
Now, the fact that you totally rage-out every day about every little detail of everything related to Apple makes perfect sense. Nothing Apple can ever do will fix the hurt when they fired you eh?
LOL!
PS - Don't bother arguing you weren't fired. I have ten years retail experience and 15 as a computer tech. A guy with your attitude would be fired in a week tops no matter what his technical skills.
Apple isn't content to depend solely on marketing to correct this perceived distortion of its value. As learned last month, the it plans to produce less expensive Macs in the near future that the Cupertino firm hopes will cancel out Microsoft's few remaining arguments against switching to a Mac.
if you go back and look at the original article it is full of analysts and 'unnamed' sources re: those plans.
so that paragraph needs a 'rumor is' added to it. a rumor that I doubt is going to turn out the way some folks think. I highly doubt that Apple is suddenly going to knock prices down to the level of Dell and HP. Not unless they are going to drop the training and tech support and close half their stores. like it or not, but that Apple Tax folks gripe about is what is paying salaries for all those folks. Folks that I've seen allowed to talk to a customer about tech specs, customizing, software etc for an hour plus and not make a sale, and no one gets into any trouble from the bosses. Unlike at my retail job where if you don't make your sales goal every day, you can find your hours cut
My summary of the above comments: There's no doubt that HP and Dell are very competitive and offer a good basic computer hardware value on many products. The computers have many of the same components as Apple's computers do. To achieve these competitive prices on some PC products, PCs are compromised more then Apple computer products. Design decisions focus on a lower priced product, not a better product and better user experience. Also, PC's are farther compromised with an inferior and problematic operating system that ultimately results in PCs costing substantially more then Apple computers. And lastly Microsoft perceives Apple computers as aesthetically more pleasing.
You know what would make me happy? If we didn't have articles written on marketing campaigns.
EXTRE EXTRE, READ ALL ABOUT IT! Two companies have commercials that take shots at their market rivals!!!
Great. Thanks. So glad we can now watch ourselves devolve into the tired and thoroughly ground trenches of the ultimate flame nerd slapfight. AppleInsider, stop covering this shit. PLEASE.
But he's right. I worked fir apple retail. You used to stay away from customers, now you have to approach them. Apple used to be about creative, graphics, avid, pro tools, then came fcp, avid was not pleased, and neither was divi when logic was scooped up. But then came the iPhone. And all the 1 to 1 trainers that knew motion, fcp, shake were gone, it became about baby strollers, barking dog, grandmothers that wanted to learn email attachments. Next time you visit an apple store, ask a trainer if they know final cut, 1 outof 10 might know it. Shake? Forget it. None will know. They even seperated pro care. Pro care and one to one was the same program. Now you need to dpesnd double to get both. It's all about iPhone and consumer joe. Meanwhile, when the MacBook could run fcp and motion while benchmarking at 171% in openGL, apple went out if their way to stop the .01% user base from using the cheap douriin for high end apps and the released a new gma that dropped the openGL from 171% all the way down to 70%. Nice way to reward us creatives fir sticking buy you/apple for all thoses years. Then the new nvidia gpu came out, you could run pro apps again only this time apple removed FireWire so now the pros could not attach video cameras and musicians could not use FireWire audio devices, and IT peeps could not boot to target disk, and all to stop a pro user from buying a cheap solution. The sad part is apple fails to realize the to would buy the cheap solution as a backup, not their man rig.
Then all the fanboys argued apple knew what they were doing and that FireWire was no longer needed, obviously they were not pros, and have never benchmarked USB vs FireWire not to mention most high end audio used FireWire but then apple released the mini with FireWire and a decent GPU, the fanboys were speechless, they had no retort. For the pro, they realized they could now buy a backup system cheaply but apple would NOT allow the pro to have something portable which even at the apple site, most remote stories about us pros, had MacBook pros on location. You can't take a mini into the woods or on location. Plus apple reduced the CPU and made the machines slower.
I am really surprised how much the pro has been dumped on and how apple only cares about iPhone and iLife users. Amazing. New fcp and logic rumored to be coming but if you want portable FireWire you need to spend $2000 minium. And one to one trainers? Theyare mostly ilife specialists.
Aple used to be about creatives and the mac pro used to be a affordable solution, the iMac used to have matte screens and were in many graphic departments but they are so powerful CPU wise, apple decides to make you buy the pro. To make sure, not only did the iMac come in glossy, they reduced the GPU power.
The segment that stuck with apple through thick and thin are the users apple hurt the most. Stunning. It's become all about barking dog, crying baby, how do I send an email attachment. The good news though is that there is a silent, growing crowd of switchers who know what a front side bus is, how fast 1066 vs 667 is, that opengl can be used to help the CPU rendering process, and more importantly, price to performance and while their voice may be silent now, not making a difference, it's only a matter of time before they, combined with the to users and a small portion of 2 year expired iphone users, made thief voices heard. Apple will have no choice but to respond.
Godspeed all, may you reach your dreams.
Who gives a rat's bum if they know Final Cut Pro or Shake? Ask them about Xcode, IB, Cocoa and Objective-C. They aren't supposed to know about Developer Tools or Professional Services Applications.
Apple has a consulting division for such work. If you expect a retail jockey to show you what you can't grasp as a professional in the field of non-linear editing I'd question your skills for being qualified to be in that field.
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I don't suppose I'll ever fathom the reasoning behind the argument that Apple's hardware is "overpriced." Does anyone, anyone at all, ever buy anything which they regard to be overpriced? Assuming it's not the only bottle of water to be found in the middle of the desert, is it not fundamentally true that any price you are willing to pay for a thing is a fair price?
Yes. But this way of thinking is too logical and reasonable to fly around here.
Yes. But this way of thinking is too logical and reasonable to fly around here.
Ain't that the truth.
a. Law student is hot...whoya..
b. My first thought when she picked the dell for that price (and the guy said, 'its the last one') would have made me say--is it because its discontinued?? So..are you buying an OLDER machine, well if yes..then of course its cheaper.
c. The law student is hot... I know I said it, but its worth saying twice.
Chris
You cannot just buy a PC and go online with it. To do so would be foolhardy.
A thousand for a PC... Then a security suite. Maybe $60 and this will slow down your PC. Then the time invested in updates and anti virus updates and scans and etc.... Then additional software for registry repairs that the firewall and security suite failed to prevent. Then the time sorting through the web sites you want to accept and those that might be mirror sites with bad code. It is nuts.
Or one can pay a little more and have a quality laptop made of aluminum... NOT cheap plastic. Software that is fully designed to function without surprises. And not having to delete trial software that comes with most PC's. With a MAC, just drag and drop an unwanted program into the trash. No worry about effecting programs you want to keep.
Windows depends on emotional adds because when all the facts are examined. MAC rules!!!
I own a PC and a MAC. Guess the one I am using...LOL
Friend don't let friends buy PC's... Cuz once you tried Mac...you ain't goin back!
Here's my three comments...
a. Law student is hot...whoya..
b. My first thought when she picked the dell for that price (and the guy said, 'its the last one') would have made me say--is it because its discontinued?? So..are you buying an OLDER machine, well if yes..then of course its cheaper.
c. The law student is hot... I know I said it, but its worth saying twice.
Chris
I purchased my MAC at Best Buy as a last years model.(Nice Price)It rips the PC I bought 9 months earlier. PC's have too many issues. My MAC works and my time is more valuable then to waste with a dysfunctional PC.
Yes. But this way of thinking is too logical and reasonable to fly around here.
It is also Economics 101. I wonder if anyone troubles themselves as much about why people will happily pay three times more for a cup of coffee at Starbucks than they will at Dunkin' Doughnuts.
They're also focusing on configurations which is where Apple comes up short. You can't get a consumer 15" or 17". If you want those screen sizes, you have to get the absolute top of the line.
Not only that, the get out the vote fan Jobs can do no wrong, love, love to compare say a Dell to a mac, price it out they love to day. What we should really do is benchmark these systems and compare a i7 system. Thing is, apple is ecpensives as they choose this routeti get more of your money. Why the ECC memory, why the server chips, it could have been an i7 and what's worse, as the tech crowd figured out they could change the ram, and Gpu, I remember a $75 gpu being $490 at apple, apple designs special we are going to rip you off memory seats, just to, well, rip you off. There is no need for it. None whatsoever.
Not only that, the get out the vote fan Jobs can do no wrong, love, love to compare say a Dell to a mac, price it out they love to day. What we should really do is benchmark these systems and compare a i7 system. Thing is, apple is ecpensives as they choose this routeti get more of your money. Why the ECC memory, why the server chips, it could have been an i7 and what's worse, as the tech crowd figured out they could change the ram, and Gpu, I remember a $75 gpu being $490 at apple, apple designs special we are going to rip you off memory seats, just to, well, rip you off. There is no need for it. None whatsoever.
Try pricing a Dell T7500 against a Mac Pro Nehalem (be sure to use 55xx Xeon processors for both). Apple is actually a good bit cheaper!
You make good points about Apple hardware, there's no secret it's overpriced, but you are now paying more for software that while it is better than what Apple offers, you are still paying for it.
I looked it up on Adobe's site and Premiere elements and Photoshop elements are both $100 each, so I don't see where you can get both of these applications for $99, but in my book that's $200 spent on software that an Apple already ships with (even if it's not quite as good). Also, Pixelmator (only for Mac) is both cheaper and as useful as Photoshop Elements.
I don't think Premiere can even author DVDs at all so I'm thinking on the PC side you're going to be buying another $50-100 piece of software.
Being smart enough to run a Windows computer without getting a virus is too much to ask of a typical user. I have been running Windows for years without viruses as well, but you and I aren't your typical computer buyer. The fact is that Vista is certainly an improvement on security, but if you are a typical Windows user that means either getting a poor free anti-virus solution or paying upwards of $60/year for anti-virus protection.
OS X's ties to Apple's hardware are the only major disadvantage to owning a Mac. Nobody's forcing anyone to get one, but unfortunately Apple is the only real competitor to Microsoft's OS on a consumer level. The reality is that it doesn't really matter what hardware you get, it's all made by contracted chinese factories no matter which brand you buy.
Some people choose Macs because there is a software value and a lower total cost of ownership that far outweighs the initial hardware cost. Maybe for some the TCO of a PC is lower because of their software needs, but most home consumers the TCO of a Mac is probably lower.
You can find Premiere and Photoshop Elements bundles for $99 at Best Buy and Amazon if you look (retails for $120 but often on sale). Premiere Elements does author DVDs and has many other output options including burning Blu-Ray discs. You can also output an AVCHD file and burn on a standard DVD that will play in Blu-Ray players.
Then all the fanboys argued apple knew what they were doing and that FireWire was no longer needed, obviously they were not pros, and have never benchmarked USB vs FireWire not to mention most high end audio used FireWire but then apple released the mini with FireWire and a decent GPU, the fanboys were speechless, they had no retort. For the pro, they realized they could now buy a backup system cheaply but apple would NOT allow the pro to have something portable which even at the apple site, most remote stories about us pros, had MacBook pros on location. You can't take a mini into the woods or on location. Plus apple reduced the CPU and made the machines slower.
I am really surprised how much the pro has been dumped on and how apple only cares about iPhone and iLife users. Amazing. New fcp and logic rumored to be coming but if you want portable FireWire you need to spend $2000 minium. And one to one trainers? Theyare mostly ilife specialists.
Aple used to be about creatives and the mac pro used to be a affordable solution, the iMac used to have matte screens and were in many graphic departments but they are so powerful CPU wise, apple decides to make you buy the pro. To make sure, not only did the iMac come in glossy, they reduced the GPU power.
The segment that stuck with apple through thick and thin are the users apple hurt the most. Stunning. It's become all about barking dog, crying baby, how do I send an email attachment. The good news though is that there is a silent, growing crowd of switchers who know what a front side bus is, how fast 1066 vs 667 is, that opengl can be used to help the CPU rendering process, and more importantly, price to performance and while their voice may be silent now, not making a difference, it's only a matter of time before they, combined with the to users and a small portion of 2 year expired iphone users, made thief voices heard. Apple will have no choice but to respond.
Godspeed all, may you reach your dreams.
i hope you feel better now after your long tirade . need a hug ??, anyway the glossy looks great .
and apple invests a ton of money for research .
and dude you got lucky getting away with using a cheap graphic screen for a while . you guys make a ton of money so go buy the correct top o line screen you need
glossy rocks
peace
I was just at Best Buy and saw three people leaving with Vista laptops. People believe these lies.
As usual there was no employee at the Apple section. And the computers had no content so you couldn't play with the iLife apps. People come over, take a peek, look at the price and run away.
Correct me if I'm wrong but don't best buy and frys employees work off commision? I know Fry's does. Probably why you never see employees at the Appke section. Why bother. No money in selling their products.
What? Someone offers you $1700 to buy a computer, you settle for one that costs $1000?
You get to keep the cash left over - which is why people buy the cheapest computer they can find.
My MacBook is only a year old, so I'd use the $1700 to buy a $199 special and pocket $1500.
You get to keep the cash left over -
Hey, it's the interweb! Let's just make stuff up.
But he's right. I worked fir apple retail ...
Now, you finally make sense to me.
You used to work for Apple as a genius and got fired (for your obvious bad attitude and poor interpersonal skills), and thus are a bitter, ex-Apple employee with an axe to grind.
Now, the fact that you totally rage-out every day about every little detail of everything related to Apple makes perfect sense. Nothing Apple can ever do will fix the hurt when they fired you eh?
LOL!
PS - Don't bother arguing you weren't fired. I have ten years retail experience and 15 as a computer tech. A guy with your attitude would be fired in a week tops no matter what his technical skills.
Apple isn't content to depend solely on marketing to correct this perceived distortion of its value. As learned last month, the it plans to produce less expensive Macs in the near future that the Cupertino firm hopes will cancel out Microsoft's few remaining arguments against switching to a Mac.
if you go back and look at the original article it is full of analysts and 'unnamed' sources re: those plans.
so that paragraph needs a 'rumor is' added to it. a rumor that I doubt is going to turn out the way some folks think. I highly doubt that Apple is suddenly going to knock prices down to the level of Dell and HP. Not unless they are going to drop the training and tech support and close half their stores. like it or not, but that Apple Tax folks gripe about is what is paying salaries for all those folks. Folks that I've seen allowed to talk to a customer about tech specs, customizing, software etc for an hour plus and not make a sale, and no one gets into any trouble from the bosses. Unlike at my retail job where if you don't make your sales goal every day, you can find your hours cut
I'm a PC. Got it!
EXTRE EXTRE, READ ALL ABOUT IT! Two companies have commercials that take shots at their market rivals!!!
Great. Thanks. So glad we can now watch ourselves devolve into the tired and thoroughly ground trenches of the ultimate flame nerd slapfight. AppleInsider, stop covering this shit. PLEASE.
But he's right. I worked fir apple retail. You used to stay away from customers, now you have to approach them. Apple used to be about creative, graphics, avid, pro tools, then came fcp, avid was not pleased, and neither was divi when logic was scooped up. But then came the iPhone. And all the 1 to 1 trainers that knew motion, fcp, shake were gone, it became about baby strollers, barking dog, grandmothers that wanted to learn email attachments. Next time you visit an apple store, ask a trainer if they know final cut, 1 outof 10 might know it. Shake? Forget it. None will know. They even seperated pro care. Pro care and one to one was the same program. Now you need to dpesnd double to get both. It's all about iPhone and consumer joe. Meanwhile, when the MacBook could run fcp and motion while benchmarking at 171% in openGL, apple went out if their way to stop the .01% user base from using the cheap douriin for high end apps and the released a new gma that dropped the openGL from 171% all the way down to 70%. Nice way to reward us creatives fir sticking buy you/apple for all thoses years. Then the new nvidia gpu came out, you could run pro apps again only this time apple removed FireWire so now the pros could not attach video cameras and musicians could not use FireWire audio devices, and IT peeps could not boot to target disk, and all to stop a pro user from buying a cheap solution. The sad part is apple fails to realize the to would buy the cheap solution as a backup, not their man rig.
Then all the fanboys argued apple knew what they were doing and that FireWire was no longer needed, obviously they were not pros, and have never benchmarked USB vs FireWire not to mention most high end audio used FireWire but then apple released the mini with FireWire and a decent GPU, the fanboys were speechless, they had no retort. For the pro, they realized they could now buy a backup system cheaply but apple would NOT allow the pro to have something portable which even at the apple site, most remote stories about us pros, had MacBook pros on location. You can't take a mini into the woods or on location. Plus apple reduced the CPU and made the machines slower.
I am really surprised how much the pro has been dumped on and how apple only cares about iPhone and iLife users. Amazing. New fcp and logic rumored to be coming but if you want portable FireWire you need to spend $2000 minium. And one to one trainers? Theyare mostly ilife specialists.
Aple used to be about creatives and the mac pro used to be a affordable solution, the iMac used to have matte screens and were in many graphic departments but they are so powerful CPU wise, apple decides to make you buy the pro. To make sure, not only did the iMac come in glossy, they reduced the GPU power.
The segment that stuck with apple through thick and thin are the users apple hurt the most. Stunning. It's become all about barking dog, crying baby, how do I send an email attachment. The good news though is that there is a silent, growing crowd of switchers who know what a front side bus is, how fast 1066 vs 667 is, that opengl can be used to help the CPU rendering process, and more importantly, price to performance and while their voice may be silent now, not making a difference, it's only a matter of time before they, combined with the to users and a small portion of 2 year expired iphone users, made thief voices heard. Apple will have no choice but to respond.
Godspeed all, may you reach your dreams.
Who gives a rat's bum if they know Final Cut Pro or Shake? Ask them about Xcode, IB, Cocoa and Objective-C. They aren't supposed to know about Developer Tools or Professional Services Applications.
Apple has a consulting division for such work. If you expect a retail jockey to show you what you can't grasp as a professional in the field of non-linear editing I'd question your skills for being qualified to be in that field.