the real question is: how good is palm's mac support going to be? if it doesn't sync well, it's not going to fly in the mac market. my guess is - it's going to be sub par, crippled compared to the windows support and months later... i'd love to be proven wrong.
Other than the iphone, are there any other phones that stand out as having good mac support? How do nokia phones hold up for example? How easy has Apple made it for other companies?
the real question is: how good is palm's mac support going to be? if it doesn't sync well, it's not going to fly in the mac market. my guess is - it's going to be sub par, crippled compared to the windows support and months later... i'd love to be proven wrong.
I've been using Mark/Space syncing software to help with that. They also have one for the iPhone.
Inductive charging is a cool feature. I understand why electric toothbrushes should have it. They need the closed environment and are used infrequently between charges. Does have a dock with a plug make that big of a difference in convenience since it still has to be docked? It would be really cool if it could just laid on a simple pad that you also your keys and wallet on at night? Is there a time difference in how long it takes to charge the same size battery with direct connection? How much heat is output is there and how much more power does it use to complete the charge?
I don't think you're gonna want to be putting key fobs or anything with a magnetic strip near or on this type of charger.
Lol apple fan boys are freaking out! This is hilarious seeing all these paniced posts. If you like your iPhone then keep it. It won't make you any cooler I'd you switch with everyone else and get a Pre. Stop being rediculous people. The Pre is going to sell a ton of phones. I am so excited to toss my spotty coverage laggy iPhone 3g for a phone that works. The Pre is going to be awsome, who knows maybe apples new iPhone announcement will able to get peoples attention away from palms newer much better phone.
Oh so you've used a Pre to know how well it works, I wonder how many on here have done the same?
Speaking of charging, how well does everyone think the "wireless charger" that supposedly comes with the pre will work?
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Originally Posted by melgross
No doubt it will work well enough. This isn't a new technology. My electric toothbrush has that as well.
Inductive charging is a cool feature. I understand why electric toothbrushes should have it. They need the closed environment and are used infrequently between charges. Does having a dock with a plug make that big of a difference in convenience since it still has to be docked to charge? It would be really cool if it could just laid it on a simple pad that you also your keys and wallet on at night or on your desk or dashboard? Is there a time difference in how long it takes to charge the same size battery with direct connection? How much heat is output is there and how much more power does it use to complete the charge? My guess is that it?s much slower, less efficient and not ideal for a mobile phone at this time.
No doubt it will work well enough. This isn't a new technology. My electric toothbrush has that as well.
I'm sure it will work, but comparing it to the toothbrush charger is not a good comparison. The toothbrush sits on the charger for 23hrs 56min, assuming you use it twice a day for 2 minutes.
The amount of charge and time that it takes to charge is what will be different about this charger, it will have to be.
Lol apple fan boys are freaking out! This is hilarious seeing all these paniced posts. If you like your iPhone then keep it. It won't make you any cooler I'd you switch with everyone else and get a Pre. Stop being rediculous people. The Pre is going to sell a ton of phones. I am so excited to toss my spotty coverage laggy iPhone 3g for a phone that works. The Pre is going to be awsome, who knows maybe apples new iPhone announcement will able to get peoples attention away from palms newer much better phone.
That's pretty amazing. In the very same post you can wag your finger at "fanboys" for "freaking out" while assuring us that an unreleased phone is "awesome" and has you "excited" to toss your iPhone. A phone that you have never touched and which no one knows anything at all about some pretty important particulars like battery life, whether or not it will generate much of an app or peripheral ecosystem, and, you know, how it actually functions in real life,
So if iPhone users are "fanboys" for liking the phone they own and use everyday, what would be a good word for people who lose their shit over some PR and videos on the web?
I'm not saying the Pre won't be a perfectly nice phone, but for every "fanboy" dismissing it as too little too late there seems to be at least two "enthusiasts" who are making wild claims for excellence sight unseen.
I would think that the checkered history of tech world prerelease buzz, fueled by marketing and sites like Gizmodo and Engadget, who generally think anything that runs on current is "awesome", would suggest that moderation is in order. Wait till it comes out. Read some reviews. See if there are any deal breakers.
Inductive charging is a cool feature. I understand why electric toothbrushes should have it. They need the closed environment and are used infrequently between charges. Does having a dock with a plug make that big of a difference in convenience since it still has to be docked to charge? It would be really cool if it could just laid it on a simple pad that you also your keys and wallet on at night or on your desk or dashboard? Is there a time difference in how long it takes to charge the same size battery with direct connection? How much heat is output is there and how much more power does it use to complete the charge? My guess is that it?s much slower, less efficient and not ideal for a mobile phone at this time.
do we have a price on that charger yet? i don't think it comes with the pre....
do we have a price on that charger yet? i don't think it comes with the pre....
Nope, which means it has a port for charging/syncing. I see it as a gimmick more than a useful feature.
"Each Pre comes with a charger in the box, but Palm will also market a $49.99 Touchstone charging dock, which it claims is the first inductive charging solution for phones, available exclusively for Pre. When bundled with a Touchstone back cover for Pre, the dock will sell for $69.99.?
...for the 5 minutes before the battery goes dead. Until there is some massive breakthrough in battery life or power consumption, push notification is a better model.
Don't worry, it's probably only the iPhone OS that would have a problem like this. All other smartphones OSes are built from the ground up with multitasking in mind, so the batteries last just fine, even with a whole load of things running in the background. It would take Apple to rewrite the iPhone with multitasking in mind to make the battery in it last more than 5 minutes. Push notifications are just a half-arsed cover up for true multitasking.
I'd rather take any stupid rebate from these companies than no rebate from Apple.
I hate rebates too but still prefer it to nothing or $100 off the company's products.
So you'd rather go through the hassle of getting a rebate to end up at the same price because that leaves you with the sense that you got some kind of discount?
That's pretty convoluted, even for you.
It also means that anyone that wants to sell you a product just has to raise their price then give it back to you in "rebate" deal that you have a 50/50 chance of actually ever getting.
So you don't think it'll take forever to charge up?
I don't see why it would take much longer than any other method. It's certainly less efficient because of the losses, but they don't amount to too much.
Inductive charging is a cool feature. I understand why electric toothbrushes should have it. They need the closed environment and are used infrequently between charges. Does having a dock with a plug make that big of a difference in convenience since it still has to be docked to charge? It would be really cool if it could just laid it on a simple pad that you also your keys and wallet on at night or on your desk or dashboard? Is there a time difference in how long it takes to charge the same size battery with direct connection? How much heat is output is there and how much more power does it use to complete the charge? My guess is that it?s much slower, less efficient and not ideal for a mobile phone at this time.
There have been recharging platforms like that out for years, but they've never caught on.
The amount of time is dependent on how they design it. In theory, there's no reason why the times should be much longer.
By the way, as has been pointed out "rebates" are pretty much a scam. There is a specific calculation as to how many people will actually manage to navigate the process (and the process generally has some stoppers built in for the unwary).
Given the hyper-competitive environment that the Pre is launching into, and the necessity of doing well out of the gate, I'd have to assume that Palm didn't think they could actually make enough money simply selling the Pre for $199, or they would have done so. They must know that $300 up front is going to kill a certain percentage of sales, so they may have felt they had no choice. We have to assume the numbers have been crunched, and the hope is that enough rebates will go unredeemed to make some kind of economic sense.
If I had to guess (given remarks from Palm re the "premium" nature of Pre not being price sensitive) the rebate thing was some kind of last minute compromise between losing money or losing sales.
But all of that bodes ill for any near term discounts to drive sales. If they can't sell the thing for $199 straight up when they more or less have to move a lot of units upon release, they're probably right at the edge of what's sustainable. Palm doesn't have the deep pocket luxury of MS to be able to sell things at a loss-- they need profits, and now.
Even if the Pre is a success, if it doesn't make much money for Palm they could still be in trouble.
I'm sure it will work, but comparing it to the toothbrush charger is not a good comparison. The toothbrush sits on the charger for 23hrs 56min, assuming you use it twice a day for 2 minutes.
The amount of charge and time that it takes to charge is what will be different about this charger, it will have to be.
There is nothing about inductive charging that requires such long recharges. With toothbrushes, one charge will last the brush for a week with two uses a day for about two minutes each.
The charging circuits are cheaper if they supply less current while recharging. That lengthens the recharge time. But it doesn't matter for a toothbrush, considering the way it's used.
I can't imagine that Palm would have a recharger that would take much longer than what every other phone requires.
I only mentioned my toothbrush because it uses inductive charging, not because a phone should have the same recharging specs.
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the real question is: how good is palm's mac support going to be? if it doesn't sync well, it's not going to fly in the mac market. my guess is - it's going to be sub par, crippled compared to the windows support and months later... i'd love to be proven wrong.
Other than the iphone, are there any other phones that stand out as having good mac support? How do nokia phones hold up for example? How easy has Apple made it for other companies?
the real question is: how good is palm's mac support going to be? if it doesn't sync well, it's not going to fly in the mac market. my guess is - it's going to be sub par, crippled compared to the windows support and months later... i'd love to be proven wrong.
I've been using Mark/Space syncing software to help with that. They also have one for the iPhone.
But you have to pay for extra software.
No doubt it will work well enough. This isn't a new technology. My electric toothbrush has that as well.
So you don't think it'll take forever to charge up?
Inductive charging is a cool feature. I understand why electric toothbrushes should have it. They need the closed environment and are used infrequently between charges. Does have a dock with a plug make that big of a difference in convenience since it still has to be docked? It would be really cool if it could just laid on a simple pad that you also your keys and wallet on at night? Is there a time difference in how long it takes to charge the same size battery with direct connection? How much heat is output is there and how much more power does it use to complete the charge?
I don't think you're gonna want to be putting key fobs or anything with a magnetic strip near or on this type of charger.
Lol apple fan boys are freaking out! This is hilarious seeing all these paniced posts. If you like your iPhone then keep it. It won't make you any cooler I'd you switch with everyone else and get a Pre. Stop being rediculous people. The Pre is going to sell a ton of phones. I am so excited to toss my spotty coverage laggy iPhone 3g for a phone that works. The Pre is going to be awsome, who knows maybe apples new iPhone announcement will able to get peoples attention away from palms newer much better phone.
Oh so you've used a Pre to know how well it works, I wonder how many on here have done the same?
For the last time. GO TO BEST BUY. THEY DON'T DO MAIL IN REBATES!
promise? (that it's the last time that is...)
Speaking of charging, how well does everyone think the "wireless charger" that supposedly comes with the pre will work?
No doubt it will work well enough. This isn't a new technology. My electric toothbrush has that as well.
Inductive charging is a cool feature. I understand why electric toothbrushes should have it. They need the closed environment and are used infrequently between charges. Does having a dock with a plug make that big of a difference in convenience since it still has to be docked to charge? It would be really cool if it could just laid it on a simple pad that you also your keys and wallet on at night or on your desk or dashboard? Is there a time difference in how long it takes to charge the same size battery with direct connection? How much heat is output is there and how much more power does it use to complete the charge? My guess is that it?s much slower, less efficient and not ideal for a mobile phone at this time.
No doubt it will work well enough. This isn't a new technology. My electric toothbrush has that as well.
I'm sure it will work, but comparing it to the toothbrush charger is not a good comparison. The toothbrush sits on the charger for 23hrs 56min, assuming you use it twice a day for 2 minutes.
The amount of charge and time that it takes to charge is what will be different about this charger, it will have to be.
I don't think you're gonna want to be putting key fobs or anything with a magnetic strip near or on this type of charger.
That would not be good, until the pad could sense the device and determine what distinct area to send power so that wouldn?t occur.
I really exist. At least I think I do. Oh god what if I don't really exist!?
I have 2 spares I take with me camping
i thought you're looking to replace your iphone? please get your talking points straight...
Lol apple fan boys are freaking out! This is hilarious seeing all these paniced posts. If you like your iPhone then keep it. It won't make you any cooler I'd you switch with everyone else and get a Pre. Stop being rediculous people. The Pre is going to sell a ton of phones. I am so excited to toss my spotty coverage laggy iPhone 3g for a phone that works. The Pre is going to be awsome, who knows maybe apples new iPhone announcement will able to get peoples attention away from palms newer much better phone.
That's pretty amazing. In the very same post you can wag your finger at "fanboys" for "freaking out" while assuring us that an unreleased phone is "awesome" and has you "excited" to toss your iPhone. A phone that you have never touched and which no one knows anything at all about some pretty important particulars like battery life, whether or not it will generate much of an app or peripheral ecosystem, and, you know, how it actually functions in real life,
So if iPhone users are "fanboys" for liking the phone they own and use everyday, what would be a good word for people who lose their shit over some PR and videos on the web?
I'm not saying the Pre won't be a perfectly nice phone, but for every "fanboy" dismissing it as too little too late there seems to be at least two "enthusiasts" who are making wild claims for excellence sight unseen.
I would think that the checkered history of tech world prerelease buzz, fueled by marketing and sites like Gizmodo and Engadget, who generally think anything that runs on current is "awesome", would suggest that moderation is in order. Wait till it comes out. Read some reviews. See if there are any deal breakers.
Inductive charging is a cool feature. I understand why electric toothbrushes should have it. They need the closed environment and are used infrequently between charges. Does having a dock with a plug make that big of a difference in convenience since it still has to be docked to charge? It would be really cool if it could just laid it on a simple pad that you also your keys and wallet on at night or on your desk or dashboard? Is there a time difference in how long it takes to charge the same size battery with direct connection? How much heat is output is there and how much more power does it use to complete the charge? My guess is that it?s much slower, less efficient and not ideal for a mobile phone at this time.
do we have a price on that charger yet? i don't think it comes with the pre....
do we have a price on that charger yet? i don't think it comes with the pre....
Nope, which means it has a port for charging/syncing. I see it as a gimmick more than a useful feature.
...for the 5 minutes before the battery goes dead. Until there is some massive breakthrough in battery life or power consumption, push notification is a better model.
Don't worry, it's probably only the iPhone OS that would have a problem like this. All other smartphones OSes are built from the ground up with multitasking in mind, so the batteries last just fine, even with a whole load of things running in the background. It would take Apple to rewrite the iPhone with multitasking in mind to make the battery in it last more than 5 minutes. Push notifications are just a half-arsed cover up for true multitasking.
Originally Posted by teckstud
I'd rather take any stupid rebate from these companies than no rebate from Apple.
I hate rebates too but still prefer it to nothing or $100 off the company's products.
So you'd rather go through the hassle of getting a rebate to end up at the same price because that leaves you with the sense that you got some kind of discount?
That's pretty convoluted, even for you.
It also means that anyone that wants to sell you a product just has to raise their price then give it back to you in "rebate" deal that you have a 50/50 chance of actually ever getting.
You must think Best Buy is some kind of heaven.
i thought you're looking to replace your iphone? please get your talking points straight...
I think you might be confusing me with someone. I have a touch pro.
So you don't think it'll take forever to charge up?
I don't see why it would take much longer than any other method. It's certainly less efficient because of the losses, but they don't amount to too much.
Inductive charging is a cool feature. I understand why electric toothbrushes should have it. They need the closed environment and are used infrequently between charges. Does having a dock with a plug make that big of a difference in convenience since it still has to be docked to charge? It would be really cool if it could just laid it on a simple pad that you also your keys and wallet on at night or on your desk or dashboard? Is there a time difference in how long it takes to charge the same size battery with direct connection? How much heat is output is there and how much more power does it use to complete the charge? My guess is that it?s much slower, less efficient and not ideal for a mobile phone at this time.
There have been recharging platforms like that out for years, but they've never caught on.
The amount of time is dependent on how they design it. In theory, there's no reason why the times should be much longer.
Given the hyper-competitive environment that the Pre is launching into, and the necessity of doing well out of the gate, I'd have to assume that Palm didn't think they could actually make enough money simply selling the Pre for $199, or they would have done so. They must know that $300 up front is going to kill a certain percentage of sales, so they may have felt they had no choice. We have to assume the numbers have been crunched, and the hope is that enough rebates will go unredeemed to make some kind of economic sense.
If I had to guess (given remarks from Palm re the "premium" nature of Pre not being price sensitive) the rebate thing was some kind of last minute compromise between losing money or losing sales.
But all of that bodes ill for any near term discounts to drive sales. If they can't sell the thing for $199 straight up when they more or less have to move a lot of units upon release, they're probably right at the edge of what's sustainable. Palm doesn't have the deep pocket luxury of MS to be able to sell things at a loss-- they need profits, and now.
Even if the Pre is a success, if it doesn't make much money for Palm they could still be in trouble.
I'm sure it will work, but comparing it to the toothbrush charger is not a good comparison. The toothbrush sits on the charger for 23hrs 56min, assuming you use it twice a day for 2 minutes.
The amount of charge and time that it takes to charge is what will be different about this charger, it will have to be.
There is nothing about inductive charging that requires such long recharges. With toothbrushes, one charge will last the brush for a week with two uses a day for about two minutes each.
The charging circuits are cheaper if they supply less current while recharging. That lengthens the recharge time. But it doesn't matter for a toothbrush, considering the way it's used.
I can't imagine that Palm would have a recharger that would take much longer than what every other phone requires.
I only mentioned my toothbrush because it uses inductive charging, not because a phone should have the same recharging specs.