But I still don't understand your point. AT&T has the better network, generally speaking, so why would I possibly want to change to a new phone so that I can use an inferior network?
The point is far from that. I was saying that with your AT&T, you can still get the Palm Pre. In fact, some people might want to wait to see if it really is better then the iPhone -- and if you think so a year from now, good, buy it on your AT&T and forget Sprint.
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Big deal. If there was any reason to, Apple could unlock the iPhone or make a CDMA version as well. The fact that they haven't done so speaks volumes about the reality of this "problem". If this really was the problem you're claiming it is, why isn't the G1 the best selling phone in the world?
Maury
AT&T and Apple wanted an exclusive contract. However, have you not read the articles on THIS web site that point to the fact that the iPhone might have reached a growth climax and wont be able to expand and sell many more units because of being on one network? You can only sell how many units that your carrier has customers, and expanding to Verizon will give you more customers to sell to, which fixes your growth rate problem.
However, where it took two maybe three years for Apple to be able to fix this problem, due to Apple signing the long contact, Palm will only have this problem for a year (which is what the exclusive contract with the Pre ends, at least our best guess because thats what usually happens).
Oh, the G1 as far as I know is only on T-Mobile, unless you unlock it yourself, and from what I heard, it sucks. And look at the thing -- it looks like it sucks. I hate how HTC always makes an ugly product at first, then makes a sexy one. They always do that.
So hate Sprint. Whats your reason for not getting Pre when it comes to your home? We shall find out.
AT&T and Apple wanted an exclusive contract. However, have you not read the articles on THIS web site that point to the fact that the iPhone might have reached a growth climax and wont be able to expand and sell many more units because of being on one network? You can only sell how many units that your carrier has customers, and expanding to Verizon will give you more customers to sell to, which fixes your growth rate problem.
However, where it took two maybe three years for Apple to be able to fix this problem, due to Apple signing the long contact, Palm will only have this problem for a year (which is what the exclusive contract with the Pre ends, at least our best guess because thats what usually happens).
You refer to these exclusivity contracts as a problem yet handset vendors keep creating this problem. If the goal is merely to sell more units then why not sell it to all carriers in all countries right out of the gate?
I'm reading all this crap about the pre and multitasking apps but I thought (based on previews etc of the Pre) that the apps were not actual full blown applications (like on the iPhone) but merely HTML5 web apps. Also Palm have, so far, only given one company access to the actual hardware for app creation.
This means that its pretty unlikely to see anything that runs full opengl games etc with any degree of speed until Palm let companies code to the hardware. Until then its multitasking glorified web apps.
there are already rumors that Palm is going to have a model for Verizon later this year
As a former AT&T and former Sprint customer, I have appreciated the improved service, more reliable billing (don't get me started about Sprint billing), and wide availability of no-drop signals on Verizon.
My wish list calls for the iPhone to land on Verizon this year. But if the Pre makes it and iPhone remains an AT&T property, that would make a difference to me.
Otherwise, I'll choose the best phone available on Verizon this year and take a fresh look at my iPhone options when the 2-yr agreement is over.
For the moment, I'm waitin' and watchin'. I don't feel the same passion about the phone as many do; bottom line, phones are tools - even though some of those tools are more desireable than others..
its the only other phone that I want... Can't wait till it comes to Canada.
I will switch from the iPhone....
No App store, No iTunes, No SDK......patent infringement on multi-touch. This thing is dead in the water and it has not even been released...... If this phone does not sell, its the end of the road for Palm. Good Luck
No App store, No iTunes, No SDK......patent infringement on multi-touch. This thing is dead in the water and it has not even been released...... If this phone does not sell, its the end of the road for Palm. Good Luck
We only have a simple comment from Apple stating they will defend their patents but they never mentioned Palm and we don?t have any evidence that they are infringing on Apple?s multi-touch patents or anyone else?s.
I do, but a better question is "why"? Seriously, if this was a mat on the tabletop that's one thing, but in fact the Pre has to be carefully aligned with the charger to work at all - and that's just for charging, it doesn't do data or anything else. So you replace a small multi-function cable with a much larger single-function cable. Why-tech at its finest. Looks cool though, I'll give it that.
Powermat (http://powermatusa.com/index.html) is just such a mat which will be able to charge multiple devices. Initially with a required adapter (receiver) strapped to the phone or mp3 player or what have you, but the goal is to have the manufacturers eventually build them in. It looks like a promising technology. The charging mat identifies and then appropriately charges the device dropped on it. Magnetic media is not affected by the charger.
BTW, the Toutchstone uses magnets to properly align the Pre. The phone is also switched to speaker mode when in place.
We only have a simple comment from Apple stating they will defend their patents but they never mentioned Palm and we don?t have any evidence that they are infringing on Apple?s multi-touch patents or anyone else?s.
You are correct; however, the timing of Apple's statement was important. Palm's CEO had just overstated the capabilities of the Palm with respect to the iPhone which caused the Palm lawyers to retract many of the over-enthusiatic wordings of the CEO. Apple rarely makes comments regarding IP protection. I'm certainly no genius, but I do notice the obvious.
I'm excited about the intense competition in the mobile market...we all benefit in the end; however, until Apple's mobile competitors create an excellent SDK with rich benefits for developers s well as a store to support the marketing of the apps, they will always be playing "catch-up". A friend of mine is making $1200 per week on his 99 cent calculator. He said 90% of the programmers in his CS classes are jumping to the iPhone platform to develop apps.
Any mobile competitor who does not have a rich SDK should not compare their phone to the iPhone. Palm should compare the Pre to the Storm. 40,000 apps, 1 billion downloads and millionare home-based developers WOW! I believe Pre should be promoting an incredible SDK to encourage iPhone developers to port their money-making apps to the Pre.
You refer to these exclusivity contracts as a problem yet handset vendors keep creating this problem. If the goal is merely to sell more units then why not sell it to all carriers in all countries right out of the gate?
First off, carriers and handset manufactures (such as Palm and Apple) are two different companies with two different goals. Sprint's goal with the Palm Pre is to get more people. It wont happen if there isn't some sort of exclusiveness. So, Palm does so, and Sprint helps with marketing, they discount the price with rebates, and so on, to help sell the device. In some cases, the carrier (such as AT&T and Apple) work together to make a better experience (such as creating the visual voicemail feature everyone loves) and other times, they only help out with money.
However, look at the Blackberry. You see that one one carrier? How about that Palm, you see that on one carrier? How about that Samsung Instinct, is that still only on Sprint (Sorta is, but Samsung has created "different names" for pretty much the same device. My friend has one of them, the Delve for US Cellular. Good phone. Same thing {pretty much} as the Instinct)?
What about that iPhone, you see that on one carrier -- oh, wait, you do. And you know what Apple gets for this exclusiveness? Number two, just like AT&T is. What is number one? The Blackberry Curve. Know what is number three? Another Blackberry. Number four? Another Blackberry. All-in-all, the Blackberry (Q1 09) has 50% of the market, with Palm way in the back (mainly because lately, their phones suck butt compared to iPhone/Backberry/HTC), but still. Is that bad that Apple is number two? No, but they actually lost 10% of the market. Lost. And now someone else is making a new OS with a new phone(s) that will be on multiple carriers.
It's business man. Every company looks out for itself. Sprint needs phones that are cool, and Palm and Sprint have been bud's for a while. So they work together to bring a great product, and then they can go their own way. AT&T and Apple will probably always have a good relationship for the same reason, and any "new device" they make, will more then likely come to AT&T first. But, at some point, Apple will move the iPhone to another carrier. Why? Not because they want to help another carrier, but because they know what I say is true. They have known this.
So there you go. There might be a lot of stuff that I left out, the business world is a big place with many answers to one question, but pretty much, thats the way I see it. It's the same in any market. Software for Windows/Mac, games for Wii/ps3/x360, app's for phones -- you always ask those questions. When you go to a carrier, you ask "What phones does it have?" Sure, thats not the only question, but you ask. If Sprint was the best carrier, and you were a die hard fan of the iPhone, I bet you would stay with your iPhone and not leave AT&T. Why? Because Sprint doesn't have the phone you want. However, if you were a Blackberry fan, you could make that switch. And there is the point -- more phones you have on different carriers, and the more phones you make (such as the Palm Pre, the Palm Treo, the Palm Eos -- all for different ppl), the more market share you can get. Companies like Palm could easily keep the Pre exclusive forever -- and just make another phone with WebOS and it would essentially be the same phone. Then Sprint still goes strong, and Palm is able to grow and get more money. Apple could do that with the iPhone (they wont) but they could. Blackberry has 50% of the market not because of one phone, but because of many phones across different carriers (although, really, all made for business people -- for the most part). See the point? good.
I've been waiting for someone to point out a single killer feature on this phone for weeks now. Here we are, approaching launch, and I still haven't seen one. Let's see: it's fat and heavy, it's linked to Sprint who is widely derided as the worst US carrier, it has no apps (yet) and the company is short on cash.
Now we learn it doesn't even compete on price, until after a mail-in rebate? Mail in rebate? Are you joking?!
Dead.
Wait, here's something: "You can move back and forth between text messaging and e-mail, or search the web while you listen to music," the company said. "You can rearrange items simply by dragging them, and when you are done with something, just throw it away by flicking it off the top of the screen.
Wow! All the things I already do on my iPhone. No seriously, I can do every single one of those things right now. SMS comes up in a pop-up when you're in other apps, and the iPod plays under everything else.
Dead.
Maury
You obviously didn't see complete presentation on Palm's site - I think it was from Vegas, and had 10 or so video clips - each maybe 5 minutes long.
Clips did very good job on showing philosophy of Pre's software. I like how iPhone works - a colleague sitting next to me has one so I did spend significant time playing with it - but much as I can say from video clips, Pre's software might be even more streamlined for mobile usage. Synergy looks brilliant.
Cards are cute way to organize desktop, but Pre has much more underneath than fancy card-dealing interface.
You obviously didn't see complete presentation on Palm's site - I think it was from Vegas, and had 10 or so video clips - each maybe 5 minutes long.
That's fine as long as it still works that way when they ship. There was a time when vendors were ridiculed for "demos" that were given from VCR tapes, yet Palm gets a pass?
Why aren't there demo units out to the press for review if they are this close to release? Somethings fishy....
I suspect that Pre will be an interesting phone but solidly in the tradition that iPhone invented. Hard to know on a practical level how it will function until there's hands' on experience. It may make a small dent in prospective iPhone buyers but more likely it will only help grow the smart phone market and the big 3 in this space all gain (RIMM, Apple, Android). iPhone sales certainly won't be going down anytime soon. Competition is good for Apple though unlike other companies it doesn't rest on its laurals. Palm is in trouble however on their financials. I read an analysis that said Palm would need to sell 8 million Pre in year 1 just to stay in business. Would Msoft be interested in buying this company? Gruber thinks their getting ready to buy RIM but I think palm. Msoft have nothing to compete with in this space and seemingly incapable of engineering one.
On an aesthetic note I think it (Pre) looks a bit stodgy.
Yeah, I'm not sure about that pebble look either... but thicker device with smaller surface might actually fit nicely in one's hand and be really handy for single hand use. I'll need to have one of them in my hand to make final judgement.
I also tend to like mechanical keyboards - they don't take half of the screen off when engaged. Question remains how good that keyboard is.
Indeed; it's not surprising that there were zero touch-screen phones on the market before Apple, and now 8 of the top 10 sellers are touch-screen. Apple created this market.
Palm phones - and Treo phones before them, much as I recall, were always touch screen. They started appearing back in 2002. Also some Windows mobile devices, I think. Touch screen PDAs are around from 1998, if not longer.
Of course they were not as advanced as iPhone's touch screen, but they were around way before...
Palm phones - and Treo phones before them, much as I recall, were always touch screen. They started appearing back in 2002. Also some Windows mobile devices, I think. Touch screen PDAs are around from 1998, if not longer.
Of course they were not as advanced as iPhone's touch screen, but they were around way before...
Not touch screen-- stylus. Huge difference, with a completely different style of interaction.
Apple basically invented the touch/tap/flick/pinch/gesture/flow style of UI that everyone wants to copy.
AT&T and Apple wanted an exclusive contract. However, have you not read the articles on THIS web site that point to the fact that the iPhone might have reached a growth climax and wont be able to expand and sell many more units because of being on one network? You can only sell how many units that your carrier has customers, and expanding to Verizon will give you more customers to sell to, which fixes your growth rate problem.
However, where it took two maybe three years for Apple to be able to fix this problem, due to Apple signing the long contact, Palm will only have this problem for a year (which is what the exclusive contract with the Pre ends, at least our best guess because thats what usually happens).
You're missing a point about Apple's exclusive contract with AT&T.
Apple needed an exclusive contract with a company that was willing to allow Apple to do what they thought they needed to do. AT&T was willing to allow that. But in return AT&T needed the exclusivity. If Apple wouldn't give them that, why would they have bothered to build out their network, re-work their software for Apple's Visual E-mail, and give them the right to build an app store that they got nothing out of, as well as allow them to sell music and ringtones, again, without getting anything for it?
No other network anywhere around the world had allowed all this to any other manufacturer. Some of it, no one else had even thought of doing!
Apple broke the unwritten contract between cell phone manufacturers and cell network providers. They revolutionized the industry. And that's not overestimating what happened.
AT&T needed a several year deal for them to make back the enormous amount of money they had to spend in order to make this work, plus a good enough amount of profit.
But all deals end. This isn't a 20 year contract, a 10 year contract, and likely not a 5 year contract. Maybe just a 3 year contract, which seems reasonable.
Possibly now, AT&T wishes it was a 5 year, or longer contract.
But in 2010, though more likely 2011 to 2012, when LTE is established across the country, we'll see Verizon withthe iPhone as well.
Sprint seems to be going in another direction entirely, which isn't a good thing for them. If they continue on that path, they will be shut out of most phones that they would want and need.
The truth is that with both AT&T and Verizon using LTE, it will put both Sprint and T-Mobile in a corner.
It will do irreparable damage to both their businesses.
Palm, on the other hand, has a (short?) exclusive contract with a company that bleeding customers. Not the best of all possible worlds. You can bet that they wish it was otherwise, but likely, they had no choice.
As I said earlier, if the Pre doesn't sell enough within the time it's exclusive to Sprint, what will happen to a deal with Verizon? If sales blister, Verizon will want it, but if they blow, they might not. They might take it anyway, but at what cost to Palm?
Palm phones - and Treo phones before them, much as I recall, were always touch screen. They started appearing back in 2002. Also some Windows mobile devices, I think. Touch screen PDAs are around from 1998, if not longer.
Of course they were not as advanced as iPhone's touch screen, but they were around way before...
I think he means capacitive touch screens that use a finger tip without having the smack the screen as I had to do with my Samsung and Treo's resistive non-touch screens.
The beauty of a capacitive screen is that you just need the finest whisper of a touch for it to work.
With the other screens, I sometimes found that I had to rap the screen before it registered a hit.
I for one prefer multi apps because theiPod touch could use it as well whereas the Touch has no camera (yet)- so no video. I don't like to constantly relaunch the remote APP and have to search for my AppleTV with the remote AP. It kind of ruins its benefits. This applies to others Apps as well.
You can set Remote to stay connected to your iTunes Library with a warning that it may reduce battery life. Sorry to introduce facts to the discussion.
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Nope, but plan on getting one.
Nothing, I live in Canada.
But I still don't understand your point. AT&T has the better network, generally speaking, so why would I possibly want to change to a new phone so that I can use an inferior network?
The point is far from that. I was saying that with your AT&T, you can still get the Palm Pre. In fact, some people might want to wait to see if it really is better then the iPhone -- and if you think so a year from now, good, buy it on your AT&T and forget Sprint.
Big deal. If there was any reason to, Apple could unlock the iPhone or make a CDMA version as well. The fact that they haven't done so speaks volumes about the reality of this "problem". If this really was the problem you're claiming it is, why isn't the G1 the best selling phone in the world?
Maury
AT&T and Apple wanted an exclusive contract. However, have you not read the articles on THIS web site that point to the fact that the iPhone might have reached a growth climax and wont be able to expand and sell many more units because of being on one network? You can only sell how many units that your carrier has customers, and expanding to Verizon will give you more customers to sell to, which fixes your growth rate problem.
However, where it took two maybe three years for Apple to be able to fix this problem, due to Apple signing the long contact, Palm will only have this problem for a year (which is what the exclusive contract with the Pre ends, at least our best guess because thats what usually happens).
Oh, the G1 as far as I know is only on T-Mobile, unless you unlock it yourself, and from what I heard, it sucks. And look at the thing -- it looks like it sucks. I hate how HTC always makes an ugly product at first, then makes a sexy one. They always do that.
So hate Sprint. Whats your reason for not getting Pre when it comes to your home? We shall find out.
AT&T and Apple wanted an exclusive contract. However, have you not read the articles on THIS web site that point to the fact that the iPhone might have reached a growth climax and wont be able to expand and sell many more units because of being on one network? You can only sell how many units that your carrier has customers, and expanding to Verizon will give you more customers to sell to, which fixes your growth rate problem.
However, where it took two maybe three years for Apple to be able to fix this problem, due to Apple signing the long contact, Palm will only have this problem for a year (which is what the exclusive contract with the Pre ends, at least our best guess because thats what usually happens).
You refer to these exclusivity contracts as a problem yet handset vendors keep creating this problem. If the goal is merely to sell more units then why not sell it to all carriers in all countries right out of the gate?
This means that its pretty unlikely to see anything that runs full opengl games etc with any degree of speed until Palm let companies code to the hardware. Until then its multitasking glorified web apps.
there are already rumors that Palm is going to have a model for Verizon later this year
As a former AT&T and former Sprint customer, I have appreciated the improved service, more reliable billing (don't get me started about Sprint billing), and wide availability of no-drop signals on Verizon.
My wish list calls for the iPhone to land on Verizon this year. But if the Pre makes it and iPhone remains an AT&T property, that would make a difference to me.
Otherwise, I'll choose the best phone available on Verizon this year and take a fresh look at my iPhone options when the 2-yr agreement is over.
For the moment, I'm waitin' and watchin'. I don't feel the same passion about the phone as many do; bottom line, phones are tools - even though some of those tools are more desireable than others..
the Palm Pre is hot.
HOT HOT HOT.
its the only other phone that I want... Can't wait till it comes to Canada.
I will switch from the iPhone....
No App store, No iTunes, No SDK......patent infringement on multi-touch. This thing is dead in the water and it has not even been released...... If this phone does not sell, its the end of the road for Palm. Good Luck
No App store, No iTunes, No SDK......patent infringement on multi-touch. This thing is dead in the water and it has not even been released...... If this phone does not sell, its the end of the road for Palm. Good Luck
We only have a simple comment from Apple stating they will defend their patents but they never mentioned Palm and we don?t have any evidence that they are infringing on Apple?s multi-touch patents or anyone else?s.
I do, but a better question is "why"? Seriously, if this was a mat on the tabletop that's one thing, but in fact the Pre has to be carefully aligned with the charger to work at all - and that's just for charging, it doesn't do data or anything else. So you replace a small multi-function cable with a much larger single-function cable. Why-tech at its finest. Looks cool though, I'll give it that.
Powermat (http://powermatusa.com/index.html) is just such a mat which will be able to charge multiple devices. Initially with a required adapter (receiver) strapped to the phone or mp3 player or what have you, but the goal is to have the manufacturers eventually build them in. It looks like a promising technology. The charging mat identifies and then appropriately charges the device dropped on it. Magnetic media is not affected by the charger.
BTW, the Toutchstone uses magnets to properly align the Pre. The phone is also switched to speaker mode when in place.
We only have a simple comment from Apple stating they will defend their patents but they never mentioned Palm and we don?t have any evidence that they are infringing on Apple?s multi-touch patents or anyone else?s.
You are correct; however, the timing of Apple's statement was important. Palm's CEO had just overstated the capabilities of the Palm with respect to the iPhone which caused the Palm lawyers to retract many of the over-enthusiatic wordings of the CEO. Apple rarely makes comments regarding IP protection. I'm certainly no genius, but I do notice the obvious.
I'm excited about the intense competition in the mobile market...we all benefit in the end; however, until Apple's mobile competitors create an excellent SDK with rich benefits for developers s well as a store to support the marketing of the apps, they will always be playing "catch-up". A friend of mine is making $1200 per week on his 99 cent calculator. He said 90% of the programmers in his CS classes are jumping to the iPhone platform to develop apps.
Any mobile competitor who does not have a rich SDK should not compare their phone to the iPhone. Palm should compare the Pre to the Storm. 40,000 apps, 1 billion downloads and millionare home-based developers WOW! I believe Pre should be promoting an incredible SDK to encourage iPhone developers to port their money-making apps to the Pre.
You refer to these exclusivity contracts as a problem yet handset vendors keep creating this problem. If the goal is merely to sell more units then why not sell it to all carriers in all countries right out of the gate?
First off, carriers and handset manufactures (such as Palm and Apple) are two different companies with two different goals. Sprint's goal with the Palm Pre is to get more people. It wont happen if there isn't some sort of exclusiveness. So, Palm does so, and Sprint helps with marketing, they discount the price with rebates, and so on, to help sell the device. In some cases, the carrier (such as AT&T and Apple) work together to make a better experience (such as creating the visual voicemail feature everyone loves) and other times, they only help out with money.
However, look at the Blackberry. You see that one one carrier? How about that Palm, you see that on one carrier? How about that Samsung Instinct, is that still only on Sprint (Sorta is, but Samsung has created "different names" for pretty much the same device. My friend has one of them, the Delve for US Cellular. Good phone. Same thing {pretty much} as the Instinct)?
What about that iPhone, you see that on one carrier -- oh, wait, you do. And you know what Apple gets for this exclusiveness? Number two, just like AT&T is. What is number one? The Blackberry Curve. Know what is number three? Another Blackberry. Number four? Another Blackberry. All-in-all, the Blackberry (Q1 09) has 50% of the market, with Palm way in the back (mainly because lately, their phones suck butt compared to iPhone/Backberry/HTC), but still. Is that bad that Apple is number two? No, but they actually lost 10% of the market. Lost. And now someone else is making a new OS with a new phone(s) that will be on multiple carriers.
It's business man. Every company looks out for itself. Sprint needs phones that are cool, and Palm and Sprint have been bud's for a while. So they work together to bring a great product, and then they can go their own way. AT&T and Apple will probably always have a good relationship for the same reason, and any "new device" they make, will more then likely come to AT&T first. But, at some point, Apple will move the iPhone to another carrier. Why? Not because they want to help another carrier, but because they know what I say is true. They have known this.
(Source: http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/20...ve-in-q109.ars)
So there you go. There might be a lot of stuff that I left out, the business world is a big place with many answers to one question, but pretty much, thats the way I see it. It's the same in any market. Software for Windows/Mac, games for Wii/ps3/x360, app's for phones -- you always ask those questions. When you go to a carrier, you ask "What phones does it have?" Sure, thats not the only question, but you ask. If Sprint was the best carrier, and you were a die hard fan of the iPhone, I bet you would stay with your iPhone and not leave AT&T. Why? Because Sprint doesn't have the phone you want. However, if you were a Blackberry fan, you could make that switch. And there is the point -- more phones you have on different carriers, and the more phones you make (such as the Palm Pre, the Palm Treo, the Palm Eos -- all for different ppl), the more market share you can get. Companies like Palm could easily keep the Pre exclusive forever -- and just make another phone with WebOS and it would essentially be the same phone. Then Sprint still goes strong, and Palm is able to grow and get more money. Apple could do that with the iPhone (they wont) but they could. Blackberry has 50% of the market not because of one phone, but because of many phones across different carriers (although, really, all made for business people -- for the most part). See the point? good.
I've been waiting for someone to point out a single killer feature on this phone for weeks now. Here we are, approaching launch, and I still haven't seen one. Let's see: it's fat and heavy, it's linked to Sprint who is widely derided as the worst US carrier, it has no apps (yet) and the company is short on cash.
Now we learn it doesn't even compete on price, until after a mail-in rebate? Mail in rebate? Are you joking?!
Dead.
Wait, here's something: "You can move back and forth between text messaging and e-mail, or search the web while you listen to music," the company said. "You can rearrange items simply by dragging them, and when you are done with something, just throw it away by flicking it off the top of the screen.
Wow! All the things I already do on my iPhone. No seriously, I can do every single one of those things right now. SMS comes up in a pop-up when you're in other apps, and the iPod plays under everything else.
Dead.
Maury
You obviously didn't see complete presentation on Palm's site - I think it was from Vegas, and had 10 or so video clips - each maybe 5 minutes long.
Clips did very good job on showing philosophy of Pre's software. I like how iPhone works - a colleague sitting next to me has one so I did spend significant time playing with it - but much as I can say from video clips, Pre's software might be even more streamlined for mobile usage. Synergy looks brilliant.
Cards are cute way to organize desktop, but Pre has much more underneath than fancy card-dealing interface.
This is multitasking to you?
If it's not multiasking, what is it then?
On the pre you can...
Really, you have one?
Or wait, you linked to an independent review that we have missed?
Or your talking out your butt about an un-released product that no one other then a Palm employee has been able to touch?
I vote C but am willing to give you the benefit of the doubt....
You obviously didn't see complete presentation on Palm's site - I think it was from Vegas, and had 10 or so video clips - each maybe 5 minutes long.
That's fine as long as it still works that way when they ship. There was a time when vendors were ridiculed for "demos" that were given from VCR tapes, yet Palm gets a pass?
Why aren't there demo units out to the press for review if they are this close to release? Somethings fishy....
I suspect that Pre will be an interesting phone but solidly in the tradition that iPhone invented. Hard to know on a practical level how it will function until there's hands' on experience. It may make a small dent in prospective iPhone buyers but more likely it will only help grow the smart phone market and the big 3 in this space all gain (RIMM, Apple, Android). iPhone sales certainly won't be going down anytime soon. Competition is good for Apple though unlike other companies it doesn't rest on its laurals. Palm is in trouble however on their financials. I read an analysis that said Palm would need to sell 8 million Pre in year 1 just to stay in business. Would Msoft be interested in buying this company? Gruber thinks their getting ready to buy RIM but I think palm. Msoft have nothing to compete with in this space and seemingly incapable of engineering one.
On an aesthetic note I think it (Pre) looks a bit stodgy.
Yeah, I'm not sure about that pebble look either... but thicker device with smaller surface might actually fit nicely in one's hand and be really handy for single hand use. I'll need to have one of them in my hand to make final judgement.
I also tend to like mechanical keyboards - they don't take half of the screen off when engaged. Question remains how good that keyboard is.
Indeed; it's not surprising that there were zero touch-screen phones on the market before Apple, and now 8 of the top 10 sellers are touch-screen. Apple created this market.
Palm phones - and Treo phones before them, much as I recall, were always touch screen. They started appearing back in 2002. Also some Windows mobile devices, I think. Touch screen PDAs are around from 1998, if not longer.
Of course they were not as advanced as iPhone's touch screen, but they were around way before...
Palm phones - and Treo phones before them, much as I recall, were always touch screen. They started appearing back in 2002. Also some Windows mobile devices, I think. Touch screen PDAs are around from 1998, if not longer.
Of course they were not as advanced as iPhone's touch screen, but they were around way before...
Not touch screen-- stylus. Huge difference, with a completely different style of interaction.
Apple basically invented the touch/tap/flick/pinch/gesture/flow style of UI that everyone wants to copy.
AT&T and Apple wanted an exclusive contract. However, have you not read the articles on THIS web site that point to the fact that the iPhone might have reached a growth climax and wont be able to expand and sell many more units because of being on one network? You can only sell how many units that your carrier has customers, and expanding to Verizon will give you more customers to sell to, which fixes your growth rate problem.
However, where it took two maybe three years for Apple to be able to fix this problem, due to Apple signing the long contact, Palm will only have this problem for a year (which is what the exclusive contract with the Pre ends, at least our best guess because thats what usually happens).
You're missing a point about Apple's exclusive contract with AT&T.
Apple needed an exclusive contract with a company that was willing to allow Apple to do what they thought they needed to do. AT&T was willing to allow that. But in return AT&T needed the exclusivity. If Apple wouldn't give them that, why would they have bothered to build out their network, re-work their software for Apple's Visual E-mail, and give them the right to build an app store that they got nothing out of, as well as allow them to sell music and ringtones, again, without getting anything for it?
No other network anywhere around the world had allowed all this to any other manufacturer. Some of it, no one else had even thought of doing!
Apple broke the unwritten contract between cell phone manufacturers and cell network providers. They revolutionized the industry. And that's not overestimating what happened.
AT&T needed a several year deal for them to make back the enormous amount of money they had to spend in order to make this work, plus a good enough amount of profit.
But all deals end. This isn't a 20 year contract, a 10 year contract, and likely not a 5 year contract. Maybe just a 3 year contract, which seems reasonable.
Possibly now, AT&T wishes it was a 5 year, or longer contract.
But in 2010, though more likely 2011 to 2012, when LTE is established across the country, we'll see Verizon withthe iPhone as well.
Sprint seems to be going in another direction entirely, which isn't a good thing for them. If they continue on that path, they will be shut out of most phones that they would want and need.
The truth is that with both AT&T and Verizon using LTE, it will put both Sprint and T-Mobile in a corner.
It will do irreparable damage to both their businesses.
Palm, on the other hand, has a (short?) exclusive contract with a company that bleeding customers. Not the best of all possible worlds. You can bet that they wish it was otherwise, but likely, they had no choice.
As I said earlier, if the Pre doesn't sell enough within the time it's exclusive to Sprint, what will happen to a deal with Verizon? If sales blister, Verizon will want it, but if they blow, they might not. They might take it anyway, but at what cost to Palm?
Palm phones - and Treo phones before them, much as I recall, were always touch screen. They started appearing back in 2002. Also some Windows mobile devices, I think. Touch screen PDAs are around from 1998, if not longer.
Of course they were not as advanced as iPhone's touch screen, but they were around way before...
I think he means capacitive touch screens that use a finger tip without having the smack the screen as I had to do with my Samsung and Treo's resistive non-touch screens.
The beauty of a capacitive screen is that you just need the finest whisper of a touch for it to work.
With the other screens, I sometimes found that I had to rap the screen before it registered a hit.
At 4.76 ounces each, that amounts to 6723 phones. I agree that sales will be poor,
but I think your estimate is a bit low.
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I for one prefer multi apps because theiPod touch could use it as well whereas the Touch has no camera (yet)- so no video. I don't like to constantly relaunch the remote APP and have to search for my AppleTV with the remote AP. It kind of ruins its benefits. This applies to others Apps as well.
You can set Remote to stay connected to your iTunes Library with a warning that it may reduce battery life. Sorry to introduce facts to the discussion.