But say you have 2 or 3 batteries. How do you deal with the practical issue of keeping them all charged? The thought of that gives me a headache.
That is one of the downfalls that an external charger usually avoids. Most of the battery packs appear to be Lithium Ion of some sort and come with their own AC to DC cable, others use AA-batteries and some act as iPhone cases/covers that have a power (and sync) passthrough using the 30-pin connector, for which they pay a licensing fee, so you can keep it on the device all the time.
Those external battery packs are actually charging the phone and you get multiple uses iPhone charge ups out of many of them with each battery pack charge. Charging to about 80% happens very quickly (I forget the average times) so you don?t have to keep it plugged it all the tim.
Good argument, although few people are challenging the usefulness of multitasking. We all see its utility and would like to have it on the iphone yesterday.
The argument is over whether or not its practical yet, and how necessary it is, and what things can be put in place to mitigate its necessity (i.e. push-style cloud alerts for third party apps.)
And while it would be an option to have it be up to the user which apps can run in the background and which cant, the debate there is whether or not users are willing and savvy enough to manage them properly.
Again I refer to the guy who said he can only operate with his iphone at full brightness then would come here and complain about the battery life.
Quite honestly, I can see both sides, but I would prefer not to have users mismanaging the background feature, then complaining, giving the iphone a bad reputation, and ultimately hurting my apple stock. I would rather see the cloud notifications come into effect.
I can see both sides also and I think it's silly to call the Pre users to call it the iPhone killer and it's silly for iPhone users to call Pre a gimmick. I'm amazed at how some of the posts I'm reading seem almost like a war between religions. There is a good sized market for both devices and the design/philosophy of the PRE vibes really well for the way I would use the device. It's so nice that Apple finally has competition so they are motivated to use their billions and do something about it!
I'd love an app for the iPhone and Mac that let me edit the corrected word list.
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Apple has a patent for predictive text UI that lists words that look like the word you are attempting to type. That allows you to more easily select the exact word. This UI is used in Google's iPhone app. I wonder why Apple does not use it system wide.
The iPhone clearly has something more than a simple dictionary look-up.
I swear it "learns" my odd words.... but then if I go a while without using them it seems to "forget".
This drives me nuts, because I can never trust if it's going to auto-correct the same way it has previously.
Yes - and I hope Palm improves on this.. The PRE is far from perfect!
That said, I feel as though they have thought about this and it should be implemented shortly considering there is cut,copy and paste menu items in places where you can't even do it.
I think they did a great job for a version 1.0 and covered things well enough that they won't have to backtrack to add most of the requested features..
And their are def annoying bugs in the PRE... just as there were in iPhone when it was released.. They've got a lot of catch up work to do...
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Also, according to the Gizmodo review, you cannot do that with the Pre either. You can only copy/paste within a text editing field.
"Copying and pasting only works in text fields where you can write, not when reading emails or SMS or web pages."
One of the downfalls of GSM over CDMA is that while on a CDMA2000 network you can make a call in CDMA which uses considerably less power than a WCDMA connection which will make a call in 3G.
I have no idea what that means.
The problem is that there are marketing names for things ("3G") that don't really map to the technical things like the on-board radio. So all of this stuff get's terribly confusing fast.
Maybe I'm just getting old. After all, I remember when cell phones actually were analog cellular and were the form-factor of a brick in a purse.
The problem is that there are marketing names for things ("3G") that don't really map to the technical things like the on-board radio. So all of this stuff get's terribly confusing fast.
Maybe I'm just getting old. After all, I remember when cell phones actually were analog cellular and were the form-factor of a brick in a purse.
it is very confusing. I have to thank Winterspan from this forum for finally giving me the Rosette Stone that laid the foundation for some clarify with the farrago that is mobile communications. I?ll try to be more clear?
I?m saying that Verizon and Sprint?s voice calls on their 2G networks will sound better than on AT&T?s and T-Mobile?s 2G network, simple because of the technologies involved. I then stated that Sprint and Verizon, while connected to a 3G network can still make and receive calls on the 2G network, while AT&T and T-Mobile can?t do this, which means that when monitoring 3G standby times and talk times between phones the Verizon and Sprint customers will show a more efficient device if the only difference is the radio type used.
Why would you even need a calendar app "running idle" in the background anyway?
So you don't have to quit one in order to launch the other. Can you imagine not being able to run iCal and Address book at the same time on the Mac?
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It can be, but it also introduces complexity and if not managed properly it can ruin the user experience.
Apple is all about the user experience...
True, but I think that the WebOS makes this complexity simpler than any other platform out there. The cards UI is kind of like using expose on the Mac.
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Well, since iPhone apps (at least the well written ones, which is the majority I have downloaded) save your state, and since it's flash based there isn't that much of a penalty for re-loading programs, it isn't as big a deal to me.
The iPhone has a lot of good things about it also! I wouldn't have bought it if it sucked...
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I'd rather have a lightweight OS task (say, oh I don't know - a push notification manager) that can have one connection for multiple applications running, then multiple full blown applications, each with their own sockets open.
Mobile devices have limited resources, battery being the most precious - why have multiple listeners running when one will do? That's the whole point behind push notifications.
Push notifications are great - the PRE has them also. I just don't like how it can pop up a window and disrupt what you are doing. Imagine you have 10 apps pushing notifications to you and they are all popping up windows like the SMS does. The PRE's notification slides up from the bottom and doesn't stop you from doing what you were doing. When you respond to the notification, it opens up a new card so that you can deal with it and then go back to the card you were working on all without quitting and launching apps.. This is one of the benefits of multitasking..
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None. With the iPhone OS, it saves my state in the web browser and email apps, so there is no need for them to be running in the background. Actually for your scenario to work, we need copy and paste first
It just much faster and more fluid to switch between cards than it is to quit and launch apps on the iPhone.
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Then the iPhone isn't for you.
Pretty simple, eh?
Agreed! But I'll say it again, the iPhone is a beautiful device. If there wasn't a Pre, I'd stick with the iPhone.
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You do realize that the iPhone OS already multitasks? They just don't expose that functionality to developers?
Yes. But they don't have a good interface to multitask. Double clicking the home button to get to your iPod or Phone is not very elegant. They don't have a general purpose multitasking interface to allow you to control what you want to multitask. It's all about the interface...
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Ah yes, because it's impossible to update shipping software. They are so screwed in implementing copy and paste.
Oh, wait....
haha.. both companies will be updating their software.. I can bet that iPhone will have multitasking in the future. Can you imagine 5 yrs from now when they have processors than run 20x as fast and longer battery life.. and they still don't multitask?? No way..
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It remains to be seen how brilliant the card metaphor is. The phones haven't been getting heavy use. And there is nothing to say that Apple doesn't already have something in mind for the future.
In fact I would be shocked if they didn't. The SDK didn't happen overnight - it was obviously always part of the plan, although they did seem to take their sweet time with copy and paste.
I think it's reasonable to expect some of what was described in some of the rumors - one or two special positions on the rumored replacement for the iPhone app launcher that allow apps placed in those slots to run in the background. Really the only two apps that I can think of that have to run in the background are apps like Pandora that stream music and where parity with the iPod app would be desirable, and apps that access things like the GPS. I would love to be able to keep Trails on while I am taking pictures so my GPS tagging is always up to date.
I think this is a good compromise between allowing background apps but not allowing users to totally shoot themselves in the foot - it makes it a little more obvious what is happening.
Time will tell...
Agreed. But I do like the current cards implementation on WebOS. I'm looking forward to seeing Apple's solution when they announce it. They always come up with great ideas that I certainly never thought about! Expose is a good example.. Looking forward to tomorrow's announcements... But that said, I will be using a PRE and I like it for more than just multitasking (but that's a whole new discussion..)
True, but I think that the WebOS makes this complexity simpler than any other platform out there. The cards UI is kind of like using expose on the Mac.
With the caveat that the apps are like Dashboard Widgets.
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Push notifications are great - the PRE has them also.
I haven?t heard about this. It?s proven to be a complete setup for Apple to tie all apps into a PN server. Are you talking about Push email, SMS and voicemails, or a systemwide PN service that allows all 3rd-party developers tie into? Besides the complexity I wouldn?t think they would even consider such a solution since they are pushing background apps so heavily.
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I just don't like how it can pop up a window and disrupt what you are doing. Imagine you have 10 apps pushing notifications to you and they are all popping up windows like the SMS does. The PRE's notification slides up from the bottom and doesn't stop you from doing what you were doing. When you respond to the notification, it opens up a new card so that you can deal with it and then go back to the card you were working on all without quitting and launching apps.. This is one of the benefits of multitasking.
Apple does need to completely revamp their notification message overlay. It is not a future-forward design.
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It just much faster and more fluid to switch between cards than it is to quit and launch apps on the iPhone.
It is only if you have acceptable HW for your OS and apps. The device is already pushed to it?s limits which is why we?ll never see background apps retroactively added to the original and current iPhone.
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Yes. But they don't have a good interface to multitask. Double clicking the home button to get to your iPod or Phone is not very elegant. They don't have a general purpose multitasking interface to allow you to control what you want to multitask. It's all about the interface.
There is a rumour of an extra button, which I think would be needed for voice dialing. If Apple were to add background apps to the next iPhone (which I think is quite likely) they could easily do it by having you do a 3 or 4 finger left or right swipe in any app. I would imagine that this feature would have to be setup ahead of time in Settings to allow a particular app(s) to run in the background with sandboxed RAM that allow it to run well while still allowing other apps to run well, too.
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haha.. both companies will be updating their software.. I can bet that iPhone will have multitasking in the future. Can you imagine 5 yrs from now when they have processors than run 20x as fast and longer battery life.. and they still don't multitask?? No way.
We?ll still complain that they aren?t fast enough.
So you don't have to quit one in order to launch the other. Can you imagine not being able to run iCal and Address book at the same time on the Mac?
But of course the difference there is that on a Mac I have this nice big screen that allows me to arrange multiple apps windows where I can see them simultaneously.
Cell phones, the other hand, are pretty much limited to one app on the screen at a time, which is why Apple's version of saving states isn't so radically different from actual multitasking, in practice.
Yes, some apps might take a moment to load, but I expect that this will be improved with the new hardware.
In the example of a calendar and contacts list app being open at the same time, it would appear to me it would work like this:
iPhone: from calender app, press home button, then press address book icon.
Pre: assuming both calender and contact apps are open, flick over however many cards are necessary to get from one to the other.
If app starting from a saved state on the iPhone is pretty speedy, I'm not really convinced that "multitasking", in this case, does anything very important, beyond a certain psychological satisfaction of "knowing" where the next app is and having the sense that it is there waiting for me.
I agree that audio apps make a good place to get some multitasking action, since you can have the screen occupied by an app at the same time you're listening to something else. If the new iPhone does anything with user facing multitasking, I would expect it to be in this area.
What is more hilarious is that the Palm Pre has cut and paste before the iPhone!
Considering that Apple had never before made a phone, was probably more concerned with shrinking their desktop OS and writing a new UI than working on features, and WebOS rumored to have been in development for mobile devices before the iPhone project, I can?t help but think that the Pre should have copy/paste before the iPhone.
Considering that Apple had never before made a phone, was probably more concerned with shrinking their desktop OS and writing a new UI than working on features, and WebOS rumored to have been in development for mobile devices before the iPhone project, I can’t help but think that the Pre should have copy/paste before the iPhone.
Moreover, it appears that the iPhone will have far more functional, general purpose cut and paste before the Pre expands its functionality beyond text entry fields.
Which, given that Palm has been in the handheld business as long as anyone, could be considered "hilarious", I guess. I don't, but, you know......
But of course the difference there is that on a Mac I have this nice big screen that allows me to arrange multiple apps windows where I can see them simultaneously.
Cell phones, the other hand, are pretty much limited to one app on the screen at a time, which is why Apple's version of saving states isn't so radically different from actual multitasking, in practice.
Yes, some apps might take a moment to load, but I expect that this will be improved with the new hardware.
In the example of a calendar and contacts list app being open at the same time, it would appear to me it would work like this:
iPhone: from calender app, press home button, then press address book icon.
Pre: assuming both calender and contact apps are open, flick over however many cards are necessary to get from one to the other.
If app starting from a saved state on the iPhone is pretty speedy, I'm not really convinced that "multitasking", in this case, does anything very important, beyond a certain psychological satisfaction of "knowing" where the next app is and having the sense that it is there waiting for me.
I agree that audio apps make a good place to get some multitasking action, since you can have the screen occupied by an app at the same time you're listening to something else. If the new iPhone does anything with user facing multitasking, I would expect it to be in this area.
I think the best thing to do is compare the iPhone that Apple will announce tomorrow with the Pre that Palm released yesterday. I am not happy with my current iPhone experience of quitting and launching apps.. Even after you quit, you have to find the app. Switching between apps on the Pre has been incredibly fluid to me..
You can even do one swipe across the gesture area to go to adjacent cards.. Just one swipe...
Moreover, it appears that the iPhone will have far more functional, general purpose cut and paste before the Pre expands its functionality beyond text entry fields.
It’s very functional, and I rarely use it for actual copy/paste. I do use it for replying to forums where I can easily cut the window text out completely or a portion of it before replying. I hate replying to the whole post or article if I can help it. Previously it was too much of a chore, especially with the typing/deleting lag in v2.0
The undue typing/paste feature is also handy. Just shake once and a nifty Undue/Cancel overlay bounces onto the screen. Once you use it you realize that it was well thought out and not simply thrown in there to merit a checkmark on a spec sheet.
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But say you have 2 or 3 batteries. How do you deal with the practical issue of keeping them all charged? The thought of that gives me a headache.
That is one of the downfalls that an external charger usually avoids. Most of the battery packs appear to be Lithium Ion of some sort and come with their own AC to DC cable, others use AA-batteries and some act as iPhone cases/covers that have a power (and sync) passthrough using the 30-pin connector, for which they pay a licensing fee, so you can keep it on the device all the time.
Those external battery packs are actually charging the phone and you get multiple uses iPhone charge ups out of many of them with each battery pack charge. Charging to about 80% happens very quickly (I forget the average times) so you don?t have to keep it plugged it all the tim.
Good argument, although few people are challenging the usefulness of multitasking. We all see its utility and would like to have it on the iphone yesterday.
The argument is over whether or not its practical yet, and how necessary it is, and what things can be put in place to mitigate its necessity (i.e. push-style cloud alerts for third party apps.)
And while it would be an option to have it be up to the user which apps can run in the background and which cant, the debate there is whether or not users are willing and savvy enough to manage them properly.
Again I refer to the guy who said he can only operate with his iphone at full brightness then would come here and complain about the battery life.
Quite honestly, I can see both sides, but I would prefer not to have users mismanaging the background feature, then complaining, giving the iphone a bad reputation, and ultimately hurting my apple stock. I would rather see the cloud notifications come into effect.
I can see both sides also and I think it's silly to call the Pre users to call it the iPhone killer and it's silly for iPhone users to call Pre a gimmick. I'm amazed at how some of the posts I'm reading seem almost like a war between religions. There is a good sized market for both devices and the design/philosophy of the PRE vibes really well for the way I would use the device. It's so nice that Apple finally has competition so they are motivated to use their billions and do something about it!
How many times are you responding to an email and you want to refer to a web page to copy/paste info without quitting the email program?
Also, according to the Gizmodo review, you cannot do that with the Pre either. You can only copy/paste within a text editing field.
"Copying and pasting only works in text fields where you can write, not when reading emails or SMS or web pages."
http://gizmodo.com/5277499/palm-pre-...yline=true&s=x
I'd love an app for the iPhone and Mac that let me edit the corrected word list.
Apple has a patent for predictive text UI that lists words that look like the word you are attempting to type. That allows you to more easily select the exact word. This UI is used in Google's iPhone app. I wonder why Apple does not use it system wide.
The iPhone clearly has something more than a simple dictionary look-up.
I swear it "learns" my odd words.... but then if I go a while without using them it seems to "forget".
This drives me nuts, because I can never trust if it's going to auto-correct the same way it has previously.
I didnt like the pre at all, I dont like the iphone either.
In fact, its plain pitiful that NO American carrier lets you do simultaneous
voice and DATA.
In the case of the Palm Pre, this is a limitation of the Sprint EVDO network... not the webOS.
Oddly, I don't know if my Edge AT&T iPhone can do this because I've never tried in the two years I've had it.
Even if the phone could let me talk and surf the internet at the same time, I don't think my poor brain could do it.
That said, I feel as though they have thought about this and it should be implemented shortly considering there is cut,copy and paste menu items in places where you can't even do it.
I think they did a great job for a version 1.0 and covered things well enough that they won't have to backtrack to add most of the requested features..
And their are def annoying bugs in the PRE... just as there were in iPhone when it was released.. They've got a lot of catch up work to do...
Also, according to the Gizmodo review, you cannot do that with the Pre either. You can only copy/paste within a text editing field.
"Copying and pasting only works in text fields where you can write, not when reading emails or SMS or web pages."
http://gizmodo.com/5277499/palm-pre-...yline=true&s=x
- The plans are cheaper than AT&T and Verizon. Unlimited text messaging is useful for me...
- It roams for free on Verizon.. I don't know why nobody talks about this!
In the case of the Palm Pre, this is a limitation of the Sprint EVDO network... not the webOS.
Oddly, I don't know if my Edge AT&T iPhone can do this because I've never tried in the two years I've had it.
Even if the phone could let me talk and surf the internet at the same time, I don't think my poor brain could do it.
One of the downfalls of GSM over CDMA is that while on a CDMA2000 network you can make a call in CDMA which uses considerably less power than a WCDMA connection which will make a call in 3G.
I have no idea what that means.
The problem is that there are marketing names for things ("3G") that don't really map to the technical things like the on-board radio. So all of this stuff get's terribly confusing fast.
Maybe I'm just getting old. After all, I remember when cell phones actually were analog cellular and were the form-factor of a brick in a purse.
I have no idea what that means.
The problem is that there are marketing names for things ("3G") that don't really map to the technical things like the on-board radio. So all of this stuff get's terribly confusing fast.
Maybe I'm just getting old. After all, I remember when cell phones actually were analog cellular and were the form-factor of a brick in a purse.
it is very confusing. I have to thank Winterspan from this forum for finally giving me the Rosette Stone that laid the foundation for some clarify with the farrago that is mobile communications. I?ll try to be more clear?
I?m saying that Verizon and Sprint?s voice calls on their 2G networks will sound better than on AT&T?s and T-Mobile?s 2G network, simple because of the technologies involved. I then stated that Sprint and Verizon, while connected to a 3G network can still make and receive calls on the 2G network, while AT&T and T-Mobile can?t do this, which means that when monitoring 3G standby times and talk times between phones the Verizon and Sprint customers will show a more efficient device if the only difference is the radio type used.
Why would you even need a calendar app "running idle" in the background anyway?
So you don't have to quit one in order to launch the other. Can you imagine not being able to run iCal and Address book at the same time on the Mac?
It can be, but it also introduces complexity and if not managed properly it can ruin the user experience.
Apple is all about the user experience...
True, but I think that the WebOS makes this complexity simpler than any other platform out there. The cards UI is kind of like using expose on the Mac.
Well, since iPhone apps (at least the well written ones, which is the majority I have downloaded) save your state, and since it's flash based there isn't that much of a penalty for re-loading programs, it isn't as big a deal to me.
The iPhone has a lot of good things about it also! I wouldn't have bought it if it sucked...
I'd rather have a lightweight OS task (say, oh I don't know - a push notification manager) that can have one connection for multiple applications running, then multiple full blown applications, each with their own sockets open.
Mobile devices have limited resources, battery being the most precious - why have multiple listeners running when one will do? That's the whole point behind push notifications.
Push notifications are great - the PRE has them also. I just don't like how it can pop up a window and disrupt what you are doing. Imagine you have 10 apps pushing notifications to you and they are all popping up windows like the SMS does. The PRE's notification slides up from the bottom and doesn't stop you from doing what you were doing. When you respond to the notification, it opens up a new card so that you can deal with it and then go back to the card you were working on all without quitting and launching apps.. This is one of the benefits of multitasking..
None. With the iPhone OS, it saves my state in the web browser and email apps, so there is no need for them to be running in the background. Actually for your scenario to work, we need copy and paste first
It just much faster and more fluid to switch between cards than it is to quit and launch apps on the iPhone.
Then the iPhone isn't for you.
Pretty simple, eh?
Agreed! But I'll say it again, the iPhone is a beautiful device. If there wasn't a Pre, I'd stick with the iPhone.
You do realize that the iPhone OS already multitasks? They just don't expose that functionality to developers?
Yes. But they don't have a good interface to multitask. Double clicking the home button to get to your iPod or Phone is not very elegant. They don't have a general purpose multitasking interface to allow you to control what you want to multitask. It's all about the interface...
Ah yes, because it's impossible to update shipping software. They are so screwed in implementing copy and paste.
Oh, wait....
haha.. both companies will be updating their software.. I can bet that iPhone will have multitasking in the future. Can you imagine 5 yrs from now when they have processors than run 20x as fast and longer battery life.. and they still don't multitask?? No way..
It remains to be seen how brilliant the card metaphor is. The phones haven't been getting heavy use. And there is nothing to say that Apple doesn't already have something in mind for the future.
In fact I would be shocked if they didn't. The SDK didn't happen overnight - it was obviously always part of the plan, although they did seem to take their sweet time with copy and paste.
I think it's reasonable to expect some of what was described in some of the rumors - one or two special positions on the rumored replacement for the iPhone app launcher that allow apps placed in those slots to run in the background. Really the only two apps that I can think of that have to run in the background are apps like Pandora that stream music and where parity with the iPod app would be desirable, and apps that access things like the GPS. I would love to be able to keep Trails on while I am taking pictures so my GPS tagging is always up to date.
I think this is a good compromise between allowing background apps but not allowing users to totally shoot themselves in the foot - it makes it a little more obvious what is happening.
Time will tell...
Agreed. But I do like the current cards implementation on WebOS. I'm looking forward to seeing Apple's solution when they announce it. They always come up with great ideas that I certainly never thought about! Expose is a good example.. Looking forward to tomorrow's announcements... But that said, I will be using a PRE and I like it for more than just multitasking (but that's a whole new discussion..)
cheers..
You have the PRE ? The PRE is out already ?
It hit stores on Friday.
Seriously?!!? People really load that many apps? Wow! Clearly I'm holding the average down.
Tenobell made that number up
Also, according to the Gizmodo review, you cannot do that with the Pre either. You can only copy/paste within a text editing field.
"Copying and pasting only works in text fields where you can write, not when reading emails or SMS or web pages."
http://gizmodo.com/5277499/palm-pre-...yline=true&s=x
Ha! Hilarious!
True, but I think that the WebOS makes this complexity simpler than any other platform out there. The cards UI is kind of like using expose on the Mac.
With the caveat that the apps are like Dashboard Widgets.
Push notifications are great - the PRE has them also.
I haven?t heard about this. It?s proven to be a complete setup for Apple to tie all apps into a PN server. Are you talking about Push email, SMS and voicemails, or a systemwide PN service that allows all 3rd-party developers tie into? Besides the complexity I wouldn?t think they would even consider such a solution since they are pushing background apps so heavily.
I just don't like how it can pop up a window and disrupt what you are doing. Imagine you have 10 apps pushing notifications to you and they are all popping up windows like the SMS does. The PRE's notification slides up from the bottom and doesn't stop you from doing what you were doing. When you respond to the notification, it opens up a new card so that you can deal with it and then go back to the card you were working on all without quitting and launching apps.. This is one of the benefits of multitasking.
Apple does need to completely revamp their notification message overlay. It is not a future-forward design.
It just much faster and more fluid to switch between cards than it is to quit and launch apps on the iPhone.
It is only if you have acceptable HW for your OS and apps. The device is already pushed to it?s limits which is why we?ll never see background apps retroactively added to the original and current iPhone.
Yes. But they don't have a good interface to multitask. Double clicking the home button to get to your iPod or Phone is not very elegant. They don't have a general purpose multitasking interface to allow you to control what you want to multitask. It's all about the interface.
There is a rumour of an extra button, which I think would be needed for voice dialing. If Apple were to add background apps to the next iPhone (which I think is quite likely) they could easily do it by having you do a 3 or 4 finger left or right swipe in any app. I would imagine that this feature would have to be setup ahead of time in Settings to allow a particular app(s) to run in the background with sandboxed RAM that allow it to run well while still allowing other apps to run well, too.
haha.. both companies will be updating their software.. I can bet that iPhone will have multitasking in the future. Can you imagine 5 yrs from now when they have processors than run 20x as fast and longer battery life.. and they still don't multitask?? No way.
We?ll still complain that they aren?t fast enough.
Ha! Hilarious!
What is more hilarious is that the Palm Pre has cut and paste before the iPhone!
So you don't have to quit one in order to launch the other. Can you imagine not being able to run iCal and Address book at the same time on the Mac?
But of course the difference there is that on a Mac I have this nice big screen that allows me to arrange multiple apps windows where I can see them simultaneously.
Cell phones, the other hand, are pretty much limited to one app on the screen at a time, which is why Apple's version of saving states isn't so radically different from actual multitasking, in practice.
Yes, some apps might take a moment to load, but I expect that this will be improved with the new hardware.
In the example of a calendar and contacts list app being open at the same time, it would appear to me it would work like this:
iPhone: from calender app, press home button, then press address book icon.
Pre: assuming both calender and contact apps are open, flick over however many cards are necessary to get from one to the other.
If app starting from a saved state on the iPhone is pretty speedy, I'm not really convinced that "multitasking", in this case, does anything very important, beyond a certain psychological satisfaction of "knowing" where the next app is and having the sense that it is there waiting for me.
I agree that audio apps make a good place to get some multitasking action, since you can have the screen occupied by an app at the same time you're listening to something else. If the new iPhone does anything with user facing multitasking, I would expect it to be in this area.
What is more hilarious is that the Palm Pre has cut and paste before the iPhone!
Considering that Apple had never before made a phone, was probably more concerned with shrinking their desktop OS and writing a new UI than working on features, and WebOS rumored to have been in development for mobile devices before the iPhone project, I can?t help but think that the Pre should have copy/paste before the iPhone.
Considering that Apple had never before made a phone, was probably more concerned with shrinking their desktop OS and writing a new UI than working on features, and WebOS rumored to have been in development for mobile devices before the iPhone project, I can’t help but think that the Pre should have copy/paste before the iPhone.
Moreover, it appears that the iPhone will have far more functional, general purpose cut and paste before the Pre expands its functionality beyond text entry fields.
Which, given that Palm has been in the handheld business as long as anyone, could be considered "hilarious", I guess. I don't, but, you know......
But of course the difference there is that on a Mac I have this nice big screen that allows me to arrange multiple apps windows where I can see them simultaneously.
Cell phones, the other hand, are pretty much limited to one app on the screen at a time, which is why Apple's version of saving states isn't so radically different from actual multitasking, in practice.
Yes, some apps might take a moment to load, but I expect that this will be improved with the new hardware.
In the example of a calendar and contacts list app being open at the same time, it would appear to me it would work like this:
iPhone: from calender app, press home button, then press address book icon.
Pre: assuming both calender and contact apps are open, flick over however many cards are necessary to get from one to the other.
If app starting from a saved state on the iPhone is pretty speedy, I'm not really convinced that "multitasking", in this case, does anything very important, beyond a certain psychological satisfaction of "knowing" where the next app is and having the sense that it is there waiting for me.
I agree that audio apps make a good place to get some multitasking action, since you can have the screen occupied by an app at the same time you're listening to something else. If the new iPhone does anything with user facing multitasking, I would expect it to be in this area.
I think the best thing to do is compare the iPhone that Apple will announce tomorrow with the Pre that Palm released yesterday. I am not happy with my current iPhone experience of quitting and launching apps.. Even after you quit, you have to find the app. Switching between apps on the Pre has been incredibly fluid to me..
You can even do one swipe across the gesture area to go to adjacent cards.. Just one swipe...
Moreover, it appears that the iPhone will have far more functional, general purpose cut and paste before the Pre expands its functionality beyond text entry fields.
It’s very functional, and I rarely use it for actual copy/paste. I do use it for replying to forums where I can easily cut the window text out completely or a portion of it before replying. I hate replying to the whole post or article if I can help it. Previously it was too much of a chore, especially with the typing/deleting lag in v2.0
The undue typing/paste feature is also handy. Just shake once and a nifty Undue/Cancel overlay bounces onto the screen. Once you use it you realize that it was well thought out and not simply thrown in there to merit a checkmark on a spec sheet.