Considering the pre is about a year newer than the latest shipping iPhone, shouldn't it be expected that the design would be more advanced and optimized? Seems like a comparison to the new iPhone expected to be announced today and shipping soon would be a more meaningful comparison?
Okay then if the Pre sold (predicted number) of 50k and the iPhone 1st generation sold 150k, and you claim that its a flop. Then the 50K predicted sales of the Pre is a "MASSIVE FAILURE".
First gen iphone --- massive hype, Steve Jobs, AT&T (then) US' largest carrier, and a relatively good economy.
Pre --- Palm (a company that is permanently in trouble), Sprint (a carrier that is permanently in touble) and a bad economy.
No! Those words definitely do not describe my experiences with other multi-tasking smartphone OSes, such as Windows Mobile and S60. Running more than 1 app caused them to slow to a chuggy, unresponsive crawl.
The Pre apparently doesn't fair overly well with multiple apps running.
Not my experience at all. I had an old (6 years old) WM phone and the only thing good about it was multitasking, especially since it was even slower than the iPhone at launching apps. It would take 10+ seconds to run the SMS app, but once it was open, you could switch to it instantly. Think about it... on the iPhone, if you're doing something and you want to write an SMS, you have to close the current app (1-2 seconds), then run the SMS app (2-5+ seconds). So that's literally instantly vs. a guaranteed 3 second delay. Kind of an eye-opening difference if you've experienced it. I used to always run half a dozen apps on the WM phone--SMS, contacts, file browser, media player, etc. All those apps were usually completely idle when not in use so it didn't affect performance whatsoever.
The downfall of WM is that apps are left running by default. Most users are not aware of how to quit apps so they accumulate and after a day or two of heavy use the phone will likely crash due to an out-of-memory situation and shoddy OS programming. If you go to a store where they sell WM phones you will likely run into a salesman giving somebody a speech about how to run the Task Manager and kill apps to improve stability. But if the usability was improved, it'd be a slam dunk feature for everybody.
Why do you say the Pre doesn't fare well when multitasking? All the reviews I've read say it works surprisingly well. I was just reading the PhoneScoop review which says everything runs smoothly with a dozen apps open. Where are you getting your information?
Palm Pre has been already jailbroken. It suggests that a proper C-language-based SDK could happen and shows that WebOS could be very easily altered with the JS-based UI.
Not my experience at all. I had an old (6 years old) WM phone and the only thing good about it was multitasking, especially since it was even slower than the iPhone at launching apps. It would take 10+ seconds to run the SMS app, but once it was open, you could switch to it instantly. Think about it... on the iPhone, if you're doing something and you want to write an SMS, you have to close the current app (1-2 seconds), then run the SMS app (2-5+ seconds). So that's literally instantly vs. a guaranteed 3 second delay. Kind of an eye-opening difference if you've experienced it. I used to always run half a dozen apps on the WM phone--SMS, contacts, file browser, media player, etc. All those apps were usually completely idle when not in use so it didn't affect performance whatsoever.
The downfall of WM is that apps are left running by default. Most users are not aware of how to quit apps so they accumulate and after a day or two of heavy use the phone will likely crash due to an out-of-memory situation and shoddy OS programming. If you go to a store where they sell WM phones you will likely run into a salesman giving somebody a speech about how to run the Task Manager and kill apps to improve stability. But if the usability was improved, it'd be a slam dunk feature for everybody.
Why do you say the Pre doesn't fare well when multitasking? All the reviews I've read say it works surprisingly well. I was just reading the PhoneScoop review which says everything runs smoothly with a dozen apps open. Where are you getting your information?
Pretty good post. I saw a jailbroken iPhone running yesterday while multi-tasking and it was sad, sad, sad. It slowed to almost a crawl. Apple is correct that it is fast, but this is because only one app, minus Mail and maybe the iPod, have access to the memory. Open more than 5 or 6 apps and the iPhone crawls along on its belly. Symbian, WM (sort of) all multi-task equally if not better than the iPhone.
Palm Pre has been already jailbroken. It suggests that a proper C-language-based SDK could happen and shows that WebOS could be very easily altered with the JS-based UI.
I'm bumping this thread to avoid starting a new one (and will note in passing that those people who thought Palm releasing the Pre right before the new iPhone might be a strategic mistake appear to have been vindicated; the new iPhone is sucking up all the handset buzz oxygen and the Pre went from "OMG next big thing" to "wonder how it's doin' at this point", it seems like).
Apple designs the hardware and software to provide seamless integration of the iPhone and iPod with iTunes, the iTunes Store, and tens of thousands of apps on the App Store. Apple is aware that some third-parties claim that their digital media players are able to sync with Apple software. However, Apple does not provide support for, or test for compatibility with, non-Apple digital media players and, because software changes over time, newer versions of Apple's iTunes software may no longer provide syncing functionality with non-Apple digital media players.
Don't know if that's Apple just fucking with potential Pre buyer's heads or if they're got a finger hovering over the kill switch. I know everyone thinks that it would be a terrible PR disaster for Apple to break iTunes syncing for the Pre, but Apple might be laying the groundwork for basically claiming that they just did some normal bit of housekeeping and it's not their fault if Palm chose to use an undocumented hack to get access to the iTunes database.
Prolly depends on how well the Pre actually does. If it looks like its cutting into iPhone sales, Apple might figure that breaking iTunes sync would be worth it, even if people screamed bloody murder. They do have a semi-plausible story to tell as far as that goes.
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Considering the pre is about a year newer than the latest shipping iPhone, shouldn't it be expected that the design would be more advanced and optimized? Seems like a comparison to the new iPhone expected to be announced today and shipping soon would be a more meaningful comparison?
yes. agreed.
Okay then if the Pre sold (predicted number) of 50k and the iPhone 1st generation sold 150k, and you claim that its a flop. Then the 50K predicted sales of the Pre is a "MASSIVE FAILURE".
First gen iphone --- massive hype, Steve Jobs, AT&T (then) US' largest carrier, and a relatively good economy.
Pre --- Palm (a company that is permanently in trouble), Sprint (a carrier that is permanently in touble) and a bad economy.
First gen iphone --- massive hype, Steve Jobs, AT&T (then) US' largest carrier, and a relatively good economy.
Pre --- Palm (a company that is permanently in trouble), Sprint (a carrier that is permanently in touble) and a bad economy.
I like Sprint. It's cheaper than AT&T and Verizon and you can roam on verizon networks for free.
No! Those words definitely do not describe my experiences with other multi-tasking smartphone OSes, such as Windows Mobile and S60. Running more than 1 app caused them to slow to a chuggy, unresponsive crawl.
The Pre apparently doesn't fair overly well with multiple apps running.
Not my experience at all. I had an old (6 years old) WM phone and the only thing good about it was multitasking, especially since it was even slower than the iPhone at launching apps. It would take 10+ seconds to run the SMS app, but once it was open, you could switch to it instantly. Think about it... on the iPhone, if you're doing something and you want to write an SMS, you have to close the current app (1-2 seconds), then run the SMS app (2-5+ seconds). So that's literally instantly vs. a guaranteed 3 second delay. Kind of an eye-opening difference if you've experienced it. I used to always run half a dozen apps on the WM phone--SMS, contacts, file browser, media player, etc. All those apps were usually completely idle when not in use so it didn't affect performance whatsoever.
The downfall of WM is that apps are left running by default. Most users are not aware of how to quit apps so they accumulate and after a day or two of heavy use the phone will likely crash due to an out-of-memory situation and shoddy OS programming. If you go to a store where they sell WM phones you will likely run into a salesman giving somebody a speech about how to run the Task Manager and kill apps to improve stability. But if the usability was improved, it'd be a slam dunk feature for everybody.
Why do you say the Pre doesn't fare well when multitasking? All the reviews I've read say it works surprisingly well. I was just reading the PhoneScoop review which says everything runs smoothly with a dozen apps open. Where are you getting your information?
Not my experience at all. I had an old (6 years old) WM phone and the only thing good about it was multitasking, especially since it was even slower than the iPhone at launching apps. It would take 10+ seconds to run the SMS app, but once it was open, you could switch to it instantly. Think about it... on the iPhone, if you're doing something and you want to write an SMS, you have to close the current app (1-2 seconds), then run the SMS app (2-5+ seconds). So that's literally instantly vs. a guaranteed 3 second delay. Kind of an eye-opening difference if you've experienced it. I used to always run half a dozen apps on the WM phone--SMS, contacts, file browser, media player, etc. All those apps were usually completely idle when not in use so it didn't affect performance whatsoever.
The downfall of WM is that apps are left running by default. Most users are not aware of how to quit apps so they accumulate and after a day or two of heavy use the phone will likely crash due to an out-of-memory situation and shoddy OS programming. If you go to a store where they sell WM phones you will likely run into a salesman giving somebody a speech about how to run the Task Manager and kill apps to improve stability. But if the usability was improved, it'd be a slam dunk feature for everybody.
Why do you say the Pre doesn't fare well when multitasking? All the reviews I've read say it works surprisingly well. I was just reading the PhoneScoop review which says everything runs smoothly with a dozen apps open. Where are you getting your information?
Pretty good post. I saw a jailbroken iPhone running yesterday while multi-tasking and it was sad, sad, sad. It slowed to almost a crawl. Apple is correct that it is fast, but this is because only one app, minus Mail and maybe the iPod, have access to the memory. Open more than 5 or 6 apps and the iPhone crawls along on its belly. Symbian, WM (sort of) all multi-task equally if not better than the iPhone.
Palm Pre has been already jailbroken. It suggests that a proper C-language-based SDK could happen and shows that WebOS could be very easily altered with the JS-based UI.
Great, and this is the road to hell.
Sluggish Palm Pre Sales Put Second webOs Project on Hold.
Anywho, from Apple (via Gruber):
Apple designs the hardware and software to provide seamless integration of the iPhone and iPod with iTunes, the iTunes Store, and tens of thousands of apps on the App Store. Apple is aware that some third-parties claim that their digital media players are able to sync with Apple software. However, Apple does not provide support for, or test for compatibility with, non-Apple digital media players and, because software changes over time, newer versions of Apple's iTunes software may no longer provide syncing functionality with non-Apple digital media players.
Don't know if that's Apple just fucking with potential Pre buyer's heads or if they're got a finger hovering over the kill switch. I know everyone thinks that it would be a terrible PR disaster for Apple to break iTunes syncing for the Pre, but Apple might be laying the groundwork for basically claiming that they just did some normal bit of housekeeping and it's not their fault if Palm chose to use an undocumented hack to get access to the iTunes database.
Prolly depends on how well the Pre actually does. If it looks like its cutting into iPhone sales, Apple might figure that breaking iTunes sync would be worth it, even if people screamed bloody murder. They do have a semi-plausible story to tell as far as that goes.