Palm surprises with Pre smartphone running new webOS

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  • Reply 61 of 209
    zozo Posts: 3,117member
    wow, very very nice.. I really like it... and it's still months away from launching, giving Palm time to polish things up



    I hope it ruffles a LOT of feathers at Apple and that it sells indeed like hotcakes



    That way it'll kick Apple a bit in the butt to get a move on and stop condescending and treating it's users like a bunch of retards with their damn half ass iPhone OS
  • Reply 62 of 209
    richlrichl Posts: 2,213member
    Palm's stock price was up 35% today. Whatever you think of this phone, the general reaction in the US has been very positive.
  • Reply 63 of 209
    teckstudteckstud Posts: 6,476member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by johnqh View Post


    You obviously like to make assumptions about things you have no clue about.



    It is not small (way bigger than iPhone), and if you look carefully, the Pre is very thick.

    Anything which is physical will break at one point. That's shown by the reliability studies that iPhone is the more reliable (over Blackberry).



    Narrower keyboard is better? Wow. First time I hear anyone claiming that.



    You obviously don't know a close-up pic when you see one. It is smaller than the iPhone!



    Anything which is physical will break at one point? Hmm -how many Apple or any other manufacturer's laptop hinges have ever broken?
  • Reply 64 of 209
    macinthe408macinthe408 Posts: 1,050member
    I'm glad to see companies other Apple finally making products that don't suck.



    However, it does suck that it took Apple to get these companies to get their collective heads out of their asses, thinking that we were all fat and happy as we tried to find the menu command for turning off the blinking light buried in a Symbian OS.
  • Reply 65 of 209
    Very nice new product offering. It's nice to see Palm making something that will compete again.
  • Reply 66 of 209
    zozo Posts: 3,117member
    very nice... and encouraging



    from BoingBoing Gadgets:





    Quote:

    Seven features that make the Palm Pre better than the iPhone



    http://gadgets.boingboing.net/2009/0...s-that-ma.html



    There was a glow on the face of every Palm employee we saw today, and deservedly so: the new Palm Pre is a hail mary product. It's probably going to save the company.



    And it is, in many ways, better than the iPhone.



    Brownlee and I got a little guided tour of a Pre by a beaming executive this evening. (We filmed it; Xeni, Derek, and Wes from the Boing Boing video team are working on it as I write.) But I'm so excited about the product that I wanted to share my enthusiasm before I forgot all the details about why I am so into it in the first place.



    It feels small and pleasant in the hand. Much smaller than the iPhone, but inexplicably the screen seems big enough. Part of that is the lovely interface that Palm has created that echos a little bit of the old Palm OS in font choice and such, but feels wholly new.



    It's a little bit longer than a Treo when the keyboard is extended, but the curving bit makes it seem a nice size.



    It runs Linux. SQLlite is the built-in database. Developers will have to use "web technologies" to make most of the apps, but it sounds like there may still be ways to use closer-to-the-metal languages.



    The animations and interface are gorgeous. They are in many ways busier than the iPhone's animations, and clearly largely cribbed from the bouncy, lively way the iPhone OS moves around, but they look really nice when switching from app to app.



    It has the coolest menu bar I've ever seen. The touchpad actually extends about half an inch below the screen, and to bring up the ever-present menu bar, you push up from below to smoosh it onto the screen, where it rests under your thumb like a Gummi worm. It looks really great and really useful. It is the first clear "impress your friends" feature.



    Integration with Facebook and Gmail looks top notch. Here's the part that got me: if you choose to, you can make your contacts list pull live from Facebook, including their selected profile picture, which means every time your friends call you their image will be their latest Facebook profile picture. Not a huge deal, of course, but a wonderful touch.



    There will be an official app store, but you can still load other apps. Probably. Palm isn't quite sure how syncing with a PC will work, but it sounds like you'll be able to load apps from a variety of sources as well as buying them over-the-air from the Palm application store.



    It's got multitouch, Apple patents be damned. We asked if they were afraid of Apple's claimed protectionist patents for multitouch. They would only respond with a confident smile.



    What a pleasing thing it is to see a company that had been all but counted out of the smartphone game come storming back into what I suspect will be the lead.



    Update: Oh, one more thing: It has system-wide cut-and-paste.



  • Reply 67 of 209
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by AppleInsider View Post


    Palm, Inc. used this year's Consumer Electronics Show to unveil its iPhone challenger, the Palm Pre, which will run a brand-new operating system called Palm webOS.



    Sorry this looks like a cheap imitation iPhone. Desparation leads them to slap together some kinda OS. Desparation leads them to make the device operate in a cheap imitation way that becomes very obvious soon as u use it.

    The chintzy tiny physical keyboard is soooo out of date.

    Everything about this thing makes the iPhone look like the superb design flourish that it is.

    No sale Palm.

    AV
  • Reply 68 of 209
    hmurchisonhmurchison Posts: 12,354member
    Quote:

    ? It feels small and pleasant in the hand. Much smaller than the iPhone, but inexplicably the screen seems big enough. Part of that is the lovely interface that Palm has created that echos a little bit of the old Palm OS in font choice and such, but feels wholly new.



    This is a feature? It's not smaller with the kb extended



    Quote:

    It's a little bit longer than a Treo when the keyboard is extended, but the curving bit makes it seem a nice size.



    Redundant



    Quote:

    ? It runs Linux. SQLlite is the built-in database. Developers will have to use "web technologies" to make most of the apps, but it sounds like there may still be ways to use closer-to-the-metal languages.



    When discussing features it's appropriate to state the feature and then the benefit. Core Data is a persistent SQLite framework and Webkit supports the HTML needed.



    Quote:

    ? The animations and interface are gorgeous. They are in many ways busier than the iPhone's animations, and clearly largely cribbed from the bouncy, lively way the iPhone OS moves around, but they look really nice when switching from app to app.



    I don't know if I want my UI getting any glossier



    Quote:

    ? It has the coolest menu bar I've ever seen. The touchpad actually extends about half an inch below the screen, and to bring up the ever-present menu bar, you push up from below to smoosh it onto the screen, where it rests under your thumb like a Gummi worm. It looks really great and really useful. It is the first clear "impress your friends" feature.



    I've seen it and don't like it. I saw the Palm employee struggle when demoing this feature



    Quote:

    ? Integration with Facebook and Gmail looks top notch. Here's the part that got me: if you choose to, you can make your contacts list pull live from Facebook, including their selected profile picture, which means every time your friends call you their image will be their latest Facebook profile picture. Not a huge deal, of course, but a wonderful touch.



    There's already a Mac app that does this. iPhone would be a piece of cake.





    Quote:

    ? There will be an official app store, but you can still load other apps. Probably. Palm isn't quite sure how syncing with a PC will work, but it sounds like you'll be able to load apps from a variety of sources as well as buying them over-the-air from the Palm application store.



    Not a feature. When I go to a store I want a centralize mechanism for shopping efficiently. I don't want ten sources to locate what I should be able to do in one. Not a feature and the app store pretty much supports my ideal



    Quote:

    ? It's got multitouch, Apple patents be damned. We asked if they were afraid of Apple's claimed protectionist patents for multitouch. They would only respond with a confident smile.



    Apple doesn't own multitouch. Their "pinch" wasn't fluid at all in their demo.



    sophomoric writing and logic.
  • Reply 69 of 209
    addaboxaddabox Posts: 12,665member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by hmurchison View Post




    sophomoric writing and logic.



    Man, really.



    "7 Reasons Why the Pre Is Better Than The iPhone" turn out to be "has multitouch like the iPhone", "might allow apps other than apps sold in an app store that doesn't exist yet", "has busier animations that will impress your friends", "has a particular animation that I really like that doesn't work very well in the demos", "is Linux", "is smaller except when it's not", and "has trivially easy to implement integration with FaceBook and Gmail."



    Oh, and cut and paste, of course, but at this point that just amounts to a ritual invocation.



    I can see being taken with the thing, but some of that stuff is just silly.
  • Reply 70 of 209
    irelandireland Posts: 17,793member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by addabox View Post


    Man, really.



    "7 Reasons Why the Pre Is Better Than The iPhone" turn out to be "has multitouch like the iPhone", "might allow apps other than apps sold in an app store that doesn't exist yet", "has busier animations that will impress your friends", "has a particular animation that I really like that doesn't work very well in the demos", "is Linux", "is smaller except when it's not", and "has trivially easy to implement integration with FaceBook and Gmail."



    Oh, and cut and paste, of course, but at this point that just amounts to a ritual invocation.



    I can see being taken with the thing, but some of that stuff is just silly.



    All good points.
  • Reply 71 of 209
    tenobelltenobell Posts: 7,014member
    That pretty presumptuous. We at least need to wait and see the Palm Pre out in active use before it can be said they've surpassed the iPhone.



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by str1f3 View Post


    others can. i'm just giving the only point of view i can. my own. but i know i'm not alone. almost every tech blog is stunned that palm made this. not saying that apple can't do something more imaginative but in six months at wwdc it's time to step up!



  • Reply 72 of 209
    guinnessguinness Posts: 473member
    From the video of the Pre on engadget, the OS already looks more fluid than the iPhone's OS, and the browser looks much, much better than Safari, especially when changing orientations.



    Just too bad the phone will on Sprint, and not a network that matters, like Verizon.
  • Reply 73 of 209
    tenobelltenobell Posts: 7,014member
    The video definitely looked good. I'm not sure how you define the OS looking more fluid. We didn't get to see them using the different apps.



    How does the browser look much better than Safari? All you could really see are web pages being displayed.



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by guinness View Post


    From the video of the Pre on engadget, the OS already looks more fluid than the iPhone's OS, and the browser looks much, much better than Safari, especially when changing orientations.



    Just too bad the phone will on Sprint, and not a network that matters, like Verizon.



  • Reply 74 of 209
    postulantpostulant Posts: 1,272member
    Competition will only make the iPhone better - I'm ecstatic.
  • Reply 75 of 209
    postulantpostulant Posts: 1,272member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by TenoBell View Post


    The video definitely looked good. I'm not sure how you define the OS looking more fluid. We didn't get to see them using the different apps.



    How does the browser look much better than Safari? All you could really see are web pages being displayed.



    My thoughts exactly.
  • Reply 76 of 209
    It will be interesting to see just how much control palm ends up giving to 3d party developers. This one factor could either make their operating system a force or completely irrelevant in 5 years.







    I am somewhat tempted to believe that the most open mobile operating system will emerge as the "victor", but history has proven this to be incorrect.
  • Reply 77 of 209
    jeffdmjeffdm Posts: 12,951member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by hmurchison View Post


    This is a feature? It's not smaller with the kb extended



    That sounds like a strained objection to me, it's hard to believe it's being aired, though maybe you can clarify it.



    The main thing I see about wanting small size is about pocketability. The device being bigger when the keyboard being extended is an irrelevant objection, because I don't see any but the dumbest users keeping it open when putting it into a pocket.
  • Reply 78 of 209
    asciiascii Posts: 5,936member
    The first strong competitor to the iPhone. But the iPhone has been out 2 years now, so we should expect some serious competition to start to appear. I will just say though, I don't think this could have come out before the iPhone. There are too many similarities.
  • Reply 79 of 209
    hmurchisonhmurchison Posts: 12,354member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by ascii View Post


    The first strong competitor to the iPhone. But the iPhone has been out 2 years now, so we should expect some serious competition to start to appear. I will just say though, I don't think this could have come out before the iPhone. There are too many similarities.



    Yeah it's funny ...people come out with iPhone derivatives and start boasting but the reality is Apple's already moved on to the next level.



    I'm glad I'll be jumping in at the right time though I wish Palm much success as the mobile market need not be dominated by one vendor.
  • Reply 80 of 209
    tenobelltenobell Posts: 7,014member
    How do you transfer contacts, pictures, and files to your Mac. I haven't heard of any desktop software that interacts with the phone.



    Has anyone else seen such software?
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