You have to be reasonable. No software company releases bug free software. Their is no way to test for all problems. At some point you have to put it out their and find problems from real world use. Look at the problems the BlackBerry Storm has been having.
Does that mean all the other 3G phones whose batteries don't last as long as the iPhone really really suck?
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Originally Posted by MacOldTimer
Maybe they want to get the OS stable and not use their users as beta testers like Apple did with the 3G. The iPhone wasn't even remotely stable until 2.2 and the battery still sucks.
Simply because Apple did not have a big product launch at MacWorld means nothing. Apple plays its plans close to the sleeve. Of course they have great new ideas.
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Originally Posted by Olternaut
Now it LOOKS like Apple is being lazy or running out of ideas while others are passing them by.
You have to be reasonable. No software company releases bug free software. Their is no way to test for all problems. At some point you have to put it out their and find problems from real world use. Look at the problems the BlackBerry Storm has been having.
Does that mean all the other 3G phones whose batteries don't last as long as the iPhone really really suck?
The battery life is still a problem. The iPhone's 2.0 software and especially MobileMe wasn't ready for release and in my opinion both should still be in Beta.
Apple promised push in the last rev and didn't deliver and has given no reason why.
Please don't make excuses for Apple putting out software before it's been tested or for using us as BETA testers.
Every version of the iPhone 3G software up to 2.2 was a joke and 2.2 has just got to the point of usable.
SJ has already seen the iphone killer....we'll see it ourselves before june
other than the physical keyboard, iphone v3 will address them all including cut and paste
and i hope voicedialing..
i see this more as a competitor to RIM bold, storm, it doesn't have an ecosystem like apple, but we will hear
more with time....the devil is in the details
which are lacking
Yes I'm sure its going to raise the bar again. However, I'm not so sure that iphone 3.0 will allow multitasking......unless we are talking about their new grand mobile device the mactouch or whatever its going to be. WebOS (at least for now) had the iphone platform beat when it comes to multitasking because you can be DAMN SURE Jon Rubenstein has seen to it that multitasking will be stable and reliable on the palm pre.
Pre, as in the video tour, is in way worse shape than iPhone in MacWorld 2007. It took Apple six months to release after the first demo. Pre will need at least 9 to 12 months.
Another way to do time estimation - whenever you hear a vendor talking about "release in X months", multiply by 3 and you will get a fairly accurate date. Palm and Sprint wouldn't even say "first quarter of 2009". Instead, it is "first half of 2009", meaning "in 4 to 6 months". In reality, that pushes the release date to 12 to 18 months from now.
Please view the video, and see how many times the demonstrator wants to show something and it didn't work. For example, rotate the webbrowser when the phone is landscape. Even that doesn't work.
Pre is about 80% to 90% feature complete, but anyone in the software would know, the last 10% takes 90% of the effort.
Actually, it makes little sense to release it too soon in this economy. If I were Palm, I would target Xmas 2009 (and hope the economy recovers, or at least stables by then). The only reason to release early is to get attention from potential investors. So, it is possible that Palm would release early, before the product is ready, but that would be a huge mistake.
BTW, I believe both Android (G1) and Blackberry Storm were released too early. They have too many holes. After testing Android for a few days, I just cannot imagine anyone would prefer it over iPhone.
No, economy or not they gotta release in the first half of 2009 or thats it for them. They have a KILLER product. But they are so far behind in the game that I think if they don't indeed release in the first six months then.....I dunno. We will see what happens. I hope for all the best for Palm.
That's bull. I'm watching the video right now, it'll easily be ready in 6 months. Palm did a great job and deserve the credit for that.
What will Apple do in the next 6 months though? That's the real important question. The iPhone needs more RAM, better processor management and optimization in the OS. A WAY better camera, high quality 4MP with Xenon flash. There is always the mega pixel myth, but the iPhone needs a better camera. To a certain extent the MP also matter. Lots of other factors come into play like the size and quality of the light sensor etc., but the iPhone's current camera is pretty terrible, and it needs a flash.
But most importantly of all IMO. What the iPhone needs "above all other things", is an OLED display. I'll say that again, the next iPhone needs an OLED display. I'll say that again, the next iPhone needs an OLED display. I'll say that again, the next iPhone needs an OLED display. I won't say that again, cause you heard me the forth time.
Hell.......a flexible display! They have to stay 5 years ahead of the competition. That is the only way they are going to solve the problem of needing a mobile device with a large screen with the ability to easily fit in a pocket.
Its going to happen and the first company to do it commercially on a large scale will be APPLE!
Simply because Apple did not have a big product launch at MacWorld means nothing. Apple plays its plans close to the sleeve. Of course they have great new ideas.
I know I know. Its just it LOOKS like they don't have anything. Perhaps "looking like" they don't have anything is bad for them. Or perhaps it lulls the competition into feeling things are safe from an Apple Attack.
appledailynews suggests palm is looking for a take over
Perhaps moro. Hmmmm what other compny needs an is
To survive. Sounds like a reasonable strategy
You mean macdailynews?
I can tell you right now that Jon Rubenstein's plan is NOT for a company to come and buy palm. They are in this to the bitter end. And I don't think its going to be a sad ending for them. They just might come back from the dead.
The battery life is still a problem. The iPhone's 2.0 software and especially MobileMe wasn't ready for release and in my opinion both should still be in Beta.
Battery life is drained faster in 3G, but that's the same case for every phone. The iPhone lasts just as long or longer than phones with larger batteries.
I can agree both iPhone 2.0 and MM, had some serious bugs when they were first launched. Unless you have direct access to Apple's software development its difficult to say whether they could have done it much better than it was done. The bugs are being worked out in each service and both are successful for Apple.
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Apple promised push in the last rev and didn't deliver and has given no reason why.
Steve Jobs sent an email explaining that they want push notification to work properly and are working on it. You complain software should stay in beta until it works, then you complain that they are not releasing software fast enough.
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Please don't make excuses for Apple putting out software before it's been tested or for using us as BETA testers.
You can say early adopters are always beta testers to some degree.
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Every version of the iPhone 3G software up to 2.2 was a joke and 2.2 has just got to the point of usable.
I was using the iPhone 3G at 2.0. I agree it had some major bugs but it was usable. Apple wouldn't have sold millions of iPhones if it wasn't usable.
Battery life is drained faster in 3G, but that's the same case for every phone. The iPhone lasts just as long or longer than phones with larger batteries.
I can agree both iPhone 2.0 and MM, had some serious bugs when they were first launched. Unless you have direct access to Apple's software development its difficult to say whether they could have done it much better than it was done. The bugs are being worked out in each service and both are successful for Apple.
Steve Jobs sent an email explaining that they want push notification to work properly and are working on it. You complain software should stay in beta until it works, then you complain that they are not releasing software fast enough.
You can say early adopters are always beta testers to some degree.
I was using the iPhone 3G at 2.0. I agree it had some major bugs but it was usable. Apple wouldn't have sold millions of iPhones if it wasn't usable.
It was usable as a PDA for 2 hours and then as a paper weight after that. It had to be reset 6-10 times a day.
Vista was more stable than 2.0.
Apple has turned the iPhone into a gaming device and not even close to a business phone, which to me seems to make sense with the average intelligence of the FanBoy's that rant in this room that Steve Job's is the second coming.
It's amazing what a couple of Apple defecters can do without Steve making every decision for them.
The Pre Rocks and did what Apple hasn't been able to do. I hope nothing but the best for Palm and hope the App Store is as successful as the over bloated Apple App Store and gives users real applications that can be used on a business platform.
It was usable as a PDA for 2 hours and then as a paper weight after that. It had to be reset 6-10 times a day.
Vista was more stable than 2.0.
That wasn't the average experience of those who stated in survey's that they were extremely satisfied with their iPhone purchase.
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Apple has turned the iPhone into a gaming device and not even close to a business phone, which to me seems to make sense with the average intelligence of the FanBoy's that rant in this room that Steve Job's is the second coming.
What if they can make more money from a gaming device than a business device? Is their a problem with that?
Exactly who said Jobs is the second coming?
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It's amazing what a couple of Apple defecters can do without Steve making every decision for them. The Pre Rocks and did what Apple hasn't been able to do.
I agree the Pre looks really good. I'm sure will be a big seller for Palm.
But honestly the Pre follows a lot of the basic UI principles that Apple started with the iPhone.
- A touch screen for your fingers not a stylus
- icons on a desktop with scrollable pages
- Multi-Touch gesture based UI
- the face of the phone is a large screen with only a home button
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hope the App Store is as successful as the over bloated Apple App Store and gives users real applications that can be used on a business platform.
What gives you the impression that the Pre will be any more business oriented than the iPhone? I would say its more a consumer device than business device.
All software platforms are bloated with a lot of useless apps.
It was usable as a PDA for 2 hours and then as a paper weight after that. It had to be reset 6-10 times a day.
Vista was more stable than 2.0.
Apple has turned the iPhone into a gaming device and not even close to a business phone, which to me seems to make sense with the average intelligence of the FanBoy's that rant in this room that Steve Job's is the second coming.
It's amazing what a couple of Apple defecters can do without Steve making every decision for them.
The Pre Rocks and did what Apple hasn't been able to do. I hope nothing but the best for Palm and hope the App Store is as successful as the over bloated Apple App Store and gives users real applications that can be used on a business platform.
Someone who appears to be incapable as making any kind of point beyond "Apple sucks" really isn't in any position to talk about the "average intelligence of the FanBoy's that rant in this room that Steve Job's is the second coming."
The only ranting in this thread is coming from you. The grown-ups are having a conversation about the relative merits of some new tech.
Someone who appears to be incapable as making any kind of point beyond "Apple sucks" really isn't in any position to talk about the "average intelligence of the FanBoy's that rant in this room that Steve Job's is the second coming."
The only ranting in this thread is coming from you. The grown-ups are having a conversation about the relative merits of some new tech.
Please do me the favor of giving at least an inteligent come back.
There is a lot a pro talk for the Pre and a lot of FanBoy's that can't accept that Steve is doing more harm to Apple than helping in the past year.
Yes, I think Apple Sucks big time these days and the Apple FanBoy's will follow them to their grave if Steve tells them to drink the Kool-Aid.
I switched to PC and have been happier ever since (XP).
The iPhone was the Razor of the day. Let it rest in Peace and make room for the BigBoy's with the power to back up their commercials.
Edit. I had to copy and paste something. Wait... I can't do that on my state of the art iPhone 3G.
Sounds more like a personal grudge than any real perspective.
If Apple sucks, why are their so many muti-touch gesture based phones being released?
Why does Sony use MacBook keys on its new notebooks.
Why does Dell's new premium line of notebooks look just like the MacBook.
Why does ASUS have a new keyboard that looks just like the Mac desktop keyboard.
Why is Apple outselling the larger PC market.
It was a cool idea
I don't have a clue what MacBook keys are, I have a Dell that has the more power than the latest 17" Apple Laptop and I have HDMI built in and at almost 1/2 the price.
I have the latest XPS an it looks nothing like a MacBook.
I don't care what ASUS keyboard looks like.
Why is Apple's stock down 58% in the last year?
It's because it has a CEO that can't admit that he is physically and mentally incapable of running the business day to day.
Not to mention he's and arogant SOB that has to have everything his way.
But this is off the subject we're here to discuss how the Pre out performs the 3G iPhone in every feature.
Please do me the favor of giving at least an inteligent come back.
There is a lot a pro talk for the Pre and a lot of FanBoy's that can't accept that Steve is doing more harm to Apple than helping in the past year.
Yes, I think Apple Sucks big time these days and the Apple FanBoy's will follow them to their grave if Steve tells them to drink the Kool-Aid.
I switched to PC and have been happier ever since (XP).
The iPhone was the Razor of the day. Let it rest in Peace and make room for the BigBoy's with the power to back up their commercials.
Edit. I had to copy and paste something. Wait... I can't do that on my state of the art iPhone 3G.
Anyone who has to rely on the creaky old straw-man of railing against (largely imaginary) "FanBoys" and their alleged fealty to their "messiah" doesn't deserve much of a response at all, beyond being ignored as a troll. And a kind of gratingly stupid one, at that.
Anyone who has to rely on the creaky old straw-man of railing against (largely imaginary) "FanBoys" and their alleged fealty to their "messiah" doesn't deserve much of a response at all, beyond being ignored as a troll. And a kind of gratingly stupid one, at that.
Last question.
Does the Pre out perform the iPhone 3G in every capacity of the phone.
Based on the specs and every review I've read it does. Not to mention a demo that made the iPhone look like the Newton of it's days.
The Newton couldn't copy and paste either but it did really bad hand writing recognition.
so many accolades for a phone that's not out yet and can't be fully evaluated, has palm infected AI???? give me a break, perhaps we can just wait 6 months to compare, we are justifying all this on what ???? a feature list come on guys how often has feature lists become quickly muted????
I love how they list that as a feature!! It is like they have the only phone that uses it and everyone wants removable battery. However, the only smartphone that does not have a removable battery is currently the second best selling smartphone (in the US at least). How weird!!
everyone I know who has an iPhone loves the battery life so much they've never missed the lack of removable batter, especially since none of them have had to pull it out to reset the device ever.
I have to pull the battery out of my blackberry almost daily, & battery life is horrible.
At this point removable battery to me says, "cause we knew you'd have to take it out a lot."
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Does that mean all the other 3G phones whose batteries don't last as long as the iPhone really really suck?
Maybe they want to get the OS stable and not use their users as beta testers like Apple did with the 3G. The iPhone wasn't even remotely stable until 2.2 and the battery still sucks.
Now it LOOKS like Apple is being lazy or running out of ideas while others are passing them by.
You have to be reasonable. No software company releases bug free software. Their is no way to test for all problems. At some point you have to put it out their and find problems from real world use. Look at the problems the BlackBerry Storm has been having.
Does that mean all the other 3G phones whose batteries don't last as long as the iPhone really really suck?
The battery life is still a problem. The iPhone's 2.0 software and especially MobileMe wasn't ready for release and in my opinion both should still be in Beta.
Apple promised push in the last rev and didn't deliver and has given no reason why.
Please don't make excuses for Apple putting out software before it's been tested or for using us as BETA testers.
Every version of the iPhone 3G software up to 2.2 was a joke and 2.2 has just got to the point of usable.
SJ has already seen the iphone killer....we'll see it ourselves before june
other than the physical keyboard, iphone v3 will address them all including cut and paste
and i hope voicedialing..
i see this more as a competitor to RIM bold, storm, it doesn't have an ecosystem like apple, but we will hear
more with time....the devil is in the details
which are lacking
Yes I'm sure its going to raise the bar again. However, I'm not so sure that iphone 3.0 will allow multitasking......unless we are talking about their new grand mobile device the mactouch or whatever its going to be. WebOS (at least for now) had the iphone platform beat when it comes to multitasking because you can be DAMN SURE Jon Rubenstein has seen to it that multitasking will be stable and reliable on the palm pre.
Gawd, the drama the drama I love this stuff!
Perhaps moro. Hmmmm what other compny needs an is
To survive. Sounds like a reasonable strategy
Pre, as in the video tour, is in way worse shape than iPhone in MacWorld 2007. It took Apple six months to release after the first demo. Pre will need at least 9 to 12 months.
Another way to do time estimation - whenever you hear a vendor talking about "release in X months", multiply by 3 and you will get a fairly accurate date. Palm and Sprint wouldn't even say "first quarter of 2009". Instead, it is "first half of 2009", meaning "in 4 to 6 months". In reality, that pushes the release date to 12 to 18 months from now.
Please view the video, and see how many times the demonstrator wants to show something and it didn't work. For example, rotate the webbrowser when the phone is landscape. Even that doesn't work.
Pre is about 80% to 90% feature complete, but anyone in the software would know, the last 10% takes 90% of the effort.
Actually, it makes little sense to release it too soon in this economy. If I were Palm, I would target Xmas 2009 (and hope the economy recovers, or at least stables by then). The only reason to release early is to get attention from potential investors. So, it is possible that Palm would release early, before the product is ready, but that would be a huge mistake.
BTW, I believe both Android (G1) and Blackberry Storm were released too early. They have too many holes. After testing Android for a few days, I just cannot imagine anyone would prefer it over iPhone.
No, economy or not they gotta release in the first half of 2009 or thats it for them. They have a KILLER product. But they are so far behind in the game that I think if they don't indeed release in the first six months then.....I dunno. We will see what happens. I hope for all the best for Palm.
That's bull. I'm watching the video right now, it'll easily be ready in 6 months. Palm did a great job and deserve the credit for that.
What will Apple do in the next 6 months though? That's the real important question. The iPhone needs more RAM, better processor management and optimization in the OS. A WAY better camera, high quality 4MP with Xenon flash. There is always the mega pixel myth, but the iPhone needs a better camera. To a certain extent the MP also matter. Lots of other factors come into play like the size and quality of the light sensor etc., but the iPhone's current camera is pretty terrible, and it needs a flash.
But most importantly of all IMO. What the iPhone needs "above all other things", is an OLED display. I'll say that again, the next iPhone needs an OLED display. I'll say that again, the next iPhone needs an OLED display. I'll say that again, the next iPhone needs an OLED display. I won't say that again, cause you heard me the forth time.
Hell.......a flexible display! They have to stay 5 years ahead of the competition. That is the only way they are going to solve the problem of needing a mobile device with a large screen with the ability to easily fit in a pocket.
Its going to happen and the first company to do it commercially on a large scale will be APPLE!
Simply because Apple did not have a big product launch at MacWorld means nothing. Apple plays its plans close to the sleeve. Of course they have great new ideas.
I know I know. Its just it LOOKS like they don't have anything. Perhaps "looking like" they don't have anything is bad for them. Or perhaps it lulls the competition into feeling things are safe from an Apple Attack.
appledailynews suggests palm is looking for a take over
Perhaps moro. Hmmmm what other compny needs an is
To survive. Sounds like a reasonable strategy
You mean macdailynews?
I can tell you right now that Jon Rubenstein's plan is NOT for a company to come and buy palm. They are in this to the bitter end. And I don't think its going to be a sad ending for them. They just might come back from the dead.
The battery life is still a problem. The iPhone's 2.0 software and especially MobileMe wasn't ready for release and in my opinion both should still be in Beta.
Battery life is drained faster in 3G, but that's the same case for every phone. The iPhone lasts just as long or longer than phones with larger batteries.
I can agree both iPhone 2.0 and MM, had some serious bugs when they were first launched. Unless you have direct access to Apple's software development its difficult to say whether they could have done it much better than it was done. The bugs are being worked out in each service and both are successful for Apple.
Apple promised push in the last rev and didn't deliver and has given no reason why.
Steve Jobs sent an email explaining that they want push notification to work properly and are working on it. You complain software should stay in beta until it works, then you complain that they are not releasing software fast enough.
Please don't make excuses for Apple putting out software before it's been tested or for using us as BETA testers.
You can say early adopters are always beta testers to some degree.
Every version of the iPhone 3G software up to 2.2 was a joke and 2.2 has just got to the point of usable.
I was using the iPhone 3G at 2.0. I agree it had some major bugs but it was usable. Apple wouldn't have sold millions of iPhones if it wasn't usable.
Battery life is drained faster in 3G, but that's the same case for every phone. The iPhone lasts just as long or longer than phones with larger batteries.
I can agree both iPhone 2.0 and MM, had some serious bugs when they were first launched. Unless you have direct access to Apple's software development its difficult to say whether they could have done it much better than it was done. The bugs are being worked out in each service and both are successful for Apple.
Steve Jobs sent an email explaining that they want push notification to work properly and are working on it. You complain software should stay in beta until it works, then you complain that they are not releasing software fast enough.
You can say early adopters are always beta testers to some degree.
I was using the iPhone 3G at 2.0. I agree it had some major bugs but it was usable. Apple wouldn't have sold millions of iPhones if it wasn't usable.
It was usable as a PDA for 2 hours and then as a paper weight after that. It had to be reset 6-10 times a day.
Vista was more stable than 2.0.
Apple has turned the iPhone into a gaming device and not even close to a business phone, which to me seems to make sense with the average intelligence of the FanBoy's that rant in this room that Steve Job's is the second coming.
It's amazing what a couple of Apple defecters can do without Steve making every decision for them.
The Pre Rocks and did what Apple hasn't been able to do. I hope nothing but the best for Palm and hope the App Store is as successful as the over bloated Apple App Store and gives users real applications that can be used on a business platform.
It was usable as a PDA for 2 hours and then as a paper weight after that. It had to be reset 6-10 times a day.
Vista was more stable than 2.0.
That wasn't the average experience of those who stated in survey's that they were extremely satisfied with their iPhone purchase.
Apple has turned the iPhone into a gaming device and not even close to a business phone, which to me seems to make sense with the average intelligence of the FanBoy's that rant in this room that Steve Job's is the second coming.
What if they can make more money from a gaming device than a business device? Is their a problem with that?
Exactly who said Jobs is the second coming?
It's amazing what a couple of Apple defecters can do without Steve making every decision for them. The Pre Rocks and did what Apple hasn't been able to do.
I agree the Pre looks really good. I'm sure will be a big seller for Palm.
But honestly the Pre follows a lot of the basic UI principles that Apple started with the iPhone.
- A touch screen for your fingers not a stylus
- icons on a desktop with scrollable pages
- Multi-Touch gesture based UI
- the face of the phone is a large screen with only a home button
hope the App Store is as successful as the over bloated Apple App Store and gives users real applications that can be used on a business platform.
What gives you the impression that the Pre will be any more business oriented than the iPhone? I would say its more a consumer device than business device.
All software platforms are bloated with a lot of useless apps.
It was usable as a PDA for 2 hours and then as a paper weight after that. It had to be reset 6-10 times a day.
Vista was more stable than 2.0.
Apple has turned the iPhone into a gaming device and not even close to a business phone, which to me seems to make sense with the average intelligence of the FanBoy's that rant in this room that Steve Job's is the second coming.
It's amazing what a couple of Apple defecters can do without Steve making every decision for them.
The Pre Rocks and did what Apple hasn't been able to do. I hope nothing but the best for Palm and hope the App Store is as successful as the over bloated Apple App Store and gives users real applications that can be used on a business platform.
Someone who appears to be incapable as making any kind of point beyond "Apple sucks" really isn't in any position to talk about the "average intelligence of the FanBoy's that rant in this room that Steve Job's is the second coming."
The only ranting in this thread is coming from you. The grown-ups are having a conversation about the relative merits of some new tech.
Someone who appears to be incapable as making any kind of point beyond "Apple sucks" really isn't in any position to talk about the "average intelligence of the FanBoy's that rant in this room that Steve Job's is the second coming."
The only ranting in this thread is coming from you. The grown-ups are having a conversation about the relative merits of some new tech.
Please do me the favor of giving at least an inteligent come back.
There is a lot a pro talk for the Pre and a lot of FanBoy's that can't accept that Steve is doing more harm to Apple than helping in the past year.
Yes, I think Apple Sucks big time these days and the Apple FanBoy's will follow them to their grave if Steve tells them to drink the Kool-Aid.
I switched to PC and have been happier ever since (XP).
The iPhone was the Razor of the day. Let it rest in Peace and make room for the BigBoy's with the power to back up their commercials.
Edit. I had to copy and paste something. Wait... I can't do that on my state of the art iPhone 3G.
If Apple sucks, why are their so many muti-touch gesture based phones being released?
Why does Sony use MacBook keys on its new notebooks.
Why does Dell's new premium line of notebooks look just like the MacBook.
Why does ASUS have a new keyboard that looks just like the Mac desktop keyboard.
Why is Apple outselling the larger PC market.
Yes, I think Apple Sucks big time these days and the Apple FanBoy's will follow them to their grave if Steve tells them to drink the Kool-Aid.
Sounds more like a personal grudge than any real perspective.
If Apple sucks, why are their so many muti-touch gesture based phones being released?
Why does Sony use MacBook keys on its new notebooks.
Why does Dell's new premium line of notebooks look just like the MacBook.
Why does ASUS have a new keyboard that looks just like the Mac desktop keyboard.
Why is Apple outselling the larger PC market.
It was a cool idea
I don't have a clue what MacBook keys are, I have a Dell that has the more power than the latest 17" Apple Laptop and I have HDMI built in and at almost 1/2 the price.
I have the latest XPS an it looks nothing like a MacBook.
I don't care what ASUS keyboard looks like.
Why is Apple's stock down 58% in the last year?
It's because it has a CEO that can't admit that he is physically and mentally incapable of running the business day to day.
Not to mention he's and arogant SOB that has to have everything his way.
But this is off the subject we're here to discuss how the Pre out performs the 3G iPhone in every feature.
Please do me the favor of giving at least an inteligent come back.
There is a lot a pro talk for the Pre and a lot of FanBoy's that can't accept that Steve is doing more harm to Apple than helping in the past year.
Yes, I think Apple Sucks big time these days and the Apple FanBoy's will follow them to their grave if Steve tells them to drink the Kool-Aid.
I switched to PC and have been happier ever since (XP).
The iPhone was the Razor of the day. Let it rest in Peace and make room for the BigBoy's with the power to back up their commercials.
Edit. I had to copy and paste something. Wait... I can't do that on my state of the art iPhone 3G.
Anyone who has to rely on the creaky old straw-man of railing against (largely imaginary) "FanBoys" and their alleged fealty to their "messiah" doesn't deserve much of a response at all, beyond being ignored as a troll. And a kind of gratingly stupid one, at that.
Anyone who has to rely on the creaky old straw-man of railing against (largely imaginary) "FanBoys" and their alleged fealty to their "messiah" doesn't deserve much of a response at all, beyond being ignored as a troll. And a kind of gratingly stupid one, at that.
Last question.
Does the Pre out perform the iPhone 3G in every capacity of the phone.
Based on the specs and every review I've read it does. Not to mention a demo that made the iPhone look like the Newton of it's days.
The Newton couldn't copy and paste either but it did really bad hand writing recognition.
FanBoy Flamers need not reply.
I love how they list that as a feature!! It is like they have the only phone that uses it and everyone wants removable battery. However, the only smartphone that does not have a removable battery is currently the second best selling smartphone (in the US at least). How weird!!
everyone I know who has an iPhone loves the battery life so much they've never missed the lack of removable batter, especially since none of them have had to pull it out to reset the device ever.
I have to pull the battery out of my blackberry almost daily, & battery life is horrible.
At this point removable battery to me says, "cause we knew you'd have to take it out a lot."