Quadra is anything but objective. And please don't try and subject your analysis on me. It just makes you sound like Quadra and the way it was phrased it was no joke. He compared the iPhone to Jesus. That is just wrong.
He needs help in a very serious way.
every APPLE PODCASTING blogger is calling the IPHONE the JESUS phone
which is plain wrong
>>>>it is like EricClapton
the GOD phone
'
refrain from personal; attacks on quadra 610 YOU will be banned for life ..
This is a stupid comment. He is posting objective facts, and you equate that to "worshipping?"
If he was the type to "worship" things he wouldn't be making Jesus jokes probably. Unless you are actually trying to suggest that he formerly worshiped this Jesus person, and has now switched his allegiance to an inanimate object? That's just crazy talk.
Never mind the fact that Jesus is a myth, but I digress.
I see no delusions here. Just amazing results for an amazing product. And the better the iPhone does, the louder the haters, the envious, "the award-winning creative directors" and the just plain frustrated will scream.
Hey Quadra, check your table. See the column sales in 08 and 09. Subtract the numbers for iPhone and RIM and you see that RIM actually increased its lead by quite a margin. This doesn't correspond with your previous statement that Apple is in position to overtake RIM in 2010, right ?
Dragon Dictation is impressive but what Foo2 states is correct. The app works by sending your audio to their servers and then returning with text.
Foo2 is incorrect. He's proclaiming the weakness of performance [latency] on the hardware of the phone, when it's the Network backbone latency that dictates the scalability of the dictation application.
Google isn't focused on the developer or end user, Schmidt only joined Apple's board to poach ideas and sit in at the major keynotes.
That's quite a statement of yours but it is not backed by facts. Let's go through your list...
Quote:
Originally Posted by MobileMe
Lets talk more about software, cause thats what the iPhone really is. Google's unannounced version of Android 2.1. vs the announced and in use iPhone 3.0
iPhone 3.0:
1,000 new API's.......iPod Library Access
Peer to Peer connectivity ............ GPS lingo
In-App Purchases ........ In Game Voice
Ad-Hoc ...... Shake API
Accessory Support ..... Data Detectors
Spotlight
In App email
Streaming Audio/Video
Core Data
1, 000 new API's.. YES TouchCocoa is complex.
PtoP...Android has it since version 1
In-App purchases...Android has it since Android Market debut
Ad-hoc..Android has it in 2.0
Spotlight..Android has it since 1.5
In App Email...Android has it since version 1
I am not sure about other features if they match what iPhone has 100% but this is just a quick check from the top of my head. Android is not a slouch, iPhone is already playing catchup in several areas.
Quote:
Originally Posted by MobileMe
Apple's SDK is designed to Help the developers and with iPhone 3.0 they even brought over 100 New Features to the end user.
You trying to say Android SDK is total nightmare or what ? I had chance to develop for both and I really prefer Android if I can because I like the SDK and API.
And you forget mention one cool feature of iPhone (from the very beginning of the iPhone SDK) :
Not sure if your investment into application development won't go flushed into toilet if Apple decides to reject your application. That's my favorite feature.
Didnt take long to contradict yourself. Thats what happens when you go to an Apple forum and try to debate with people who back up their stances with fact and proof. Dont sweat it too much, we would feel equally inadequate on your Hannah Montana fan forum.
haha....burn...
really I do not understand this iphone envy that is driving some people nuts. It's like the "If I can not have it, no one will" mentality, juvenile at best. Just because your favorite tech company did not dream up the success of iphone, that it just sucks and is the worst phone out there.
I mean appreciate the other companies tries at their own iphone clones, but I wont trade it for my iphone.
What overwhelming innovations did Android bring us?
I like Android better than the iphone btw, but that is because I'm a linux geek.
You might be surprised but there are some features in Android that are quite novel (and definitely not existing on iPhone). If I have to pick one, it would be the way you can create application by reusing existing pieces, or replace the existing implementation of certain feature if you need. It is in the sharp contrast to monolithic approach of iPhone, resulting in huge file size of the application and so yesterday feel in that regard.
This obsession with market share numbers is kind of unhealthy. It's not a very good metric to use for anything. It doesn't take into account different business models. It doesn't take into account who is making the most money off their products. I'm sure Android will surpass the iPhone in market share sometime in the next 12-18 months because Google's entire business model is based on high volume. They are making money off advertising. Apple's business model is going to be higher margins on hardware and probably a much higher revenue stream from third party app sales and media sales via iTunes Store. It's a gigantic market so there's plenty of room for lots of players.
Google has the same business model as Microsoft of the 80's but unlike Microsoft they have business ventures that touch every part of Apple's business model and many that Apple hasn't even ventured into.
it's amazing the contortions the windows fan boys will go to defend Microsoft's failing marketshare or lack thereof, but will predict the fall of Apple that has not happened yet.
what else is in your crystal ball nostradamus? i am sure you and extreme skater would be the best advisors to ballmer's R&D team.
Do any of the Android phones actually have ads in them? That would be weird. Is that happening yet?
Yes it does. But it does happen with iPhone as well (given the reported high market share of mobile web of iPhone, it is even more frequent). New phones have decent browser. People are using it more. More web pages viewed = more AdSense ads, which is the backbone of Google's profits. This is their strategy in a nutshell. They are quite happy with iPhone doing well.
Hey Quadra, check your table. See the column sales in 08 and 09. Subtract the numbers for iPhone and RIM and you see that RIM actually increased its lead by quite a margin. This doesn't correspond with your previous statement that Apple is in position to overtake RIM in 2010, right ?
ANYONE within 2% of the other is in a position to overtake. And we're talking about the iPhone here, which holds numerous advantages over RIM's one-trick e-mail machines. RIM is still experiencing strong corporate sales, howecer, and has bumerous models on offer, which is really a hot-and-cold situation for RIM. I'm betting their business model, coupled with their old and tired Tour/Bold/Pearl paradigm will be their undoing. Where's that Storm 2? Has it been released?
Android....Will it be easy to develop for with it's hundreds of different models? ... How much ahead will a fractured eco system be?
...
Apple... l And yet another iPhone update will be upon us....And I think an iPhone 'nano' may...just be in the works...but she's keeping very quiet... Apple's only just getting started. ....And let us not forget 'the beast' (slate)
What leads you to conclusion the Android is fragmented beyond repair and iPhone will never be, despite the rumors you mentioned ?
While Android will run on many different devices and there multiple versions of the OS at the same time, the API is quite solid (just new versions have more features, but this applies to iPhone as well) and there is published information how Android deals with multiple screen resolution (quite simple and almost automatic), the iPhone has three different models (original, 3G and 3GS) and all of them has different hardware functions (GPS and Compass) so the platform is more fragmented RIGHT NOW. And you have zero information about the new models and there is Apple's patented silence about how they'll handle different screen resolutions of Nano or any other future phone (which you admit is coming). Your claims are not backed by facts.
ANYONE within 2% of the other is in a position to overtake. And we're talking about the iPhone here, which holds numerous advanages over RIM's one-trick e-mail machines.
OMG are you blindfolded or what ? Look at that table of yours !
3Q08 had the difference in sales about 1000 (thousands of units sold, I think) and 3Q09 the same difference is almost 1500...in other words RIM got more new users than heralded iPhone did. So they extended their lead. Your interpretation of trends is completely bogus.
No, all it did was set the standard in web browsing, integration and ease of use for the laymen.
You know how imitation is the sincerest form of flattery? As in the Google Phone, the Windows phone, Nokia's "attempts" at trying to make an interface that doesn't need a stylus (that N900 doesn't have a capacitive screen - FAIL).
I don't think resistive screens are fail by default. Latest Samsung Omnia and relating units have resistive screen as sensitive as capacitive screens - according to reviews I have seen. If that is true, there is nice advantage being able to use phone with gloves, stylus... but also disadvantage of being forced to keep phone locked all the time as almost any light touch in pocket can initiate call/run application/...
As it is, I'm happy for not having to lock my iPhone before putting it in pocket... but whenever I need to sketch something, I realize I miss my Palm PDA stylus. Luckily I put phone in pocket much more often than I sketch
True but as a consumer phone at best. Enterprsise still requies exchanche ante the iPhone has yet to make it into enterprise.
Apple went from a pro company that tailored to musicians, graphics, desing dropped all of that, and went straight to a consumer cmpany dropping .mac and the word computer from their name.
That sai, it is easy to see that google wanted to wait to have Chrome on the mac before announcing OS, phones and who knows what else. I can tell you HTC are wel accepted inthe enterrise markets and if they get 20-40% of that, it wil be a major coup for them. Picking up areas that others simply ignored.
Peace.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lemon Bon Bon.
Nobody creates in a vacuum.
Apple does take a product area where they see room for improvement and go into that market if it's within their core competency. And they're good at it because they choose their fights very carefully and don't spread themselves too thinly.
They aren't perfect.
But the iPhone? When it was launched? Blew the competition in smart phones out the water. The 1st useable internet phone/browser/smartphone...integrated with best in class mp3 player. Apple went in...and swept all players away. It's only a matter of time before Apple chase down Nokia in unit sales.
They made a few 'mistakes' along the way. eg Pricing of iPHone was horrendous to start with, and single carrier exclusives and no 3G. However, the exclusivity thing allowed them the 'control' Apple need to make a product. Now they've got the kinks ironed out in the product, SDK, app store, 3G they've opened it up to software developers, made it cheaper and offered it to more carriers and countries. The 3GS iPhone is the ultimate in smartphones to me. The rest seem very 'me too' despite their hype, palm, droid and the vapour ware M$ phone.
Google. Yeah. Some may say they're a 'snake in the grass' (yeah, one of your primary competitors sitting on the board...not sure how that works...) But who cares? If they are to mobile and web computing like M$ was and is to desktops? Are we worried? I use Google's search engine. That's all. Anything else they do? Anything great? Gmail? Don't use it. Use Yahoo. Free apps? Don't use them. Use Apple's apps. Interface? Hmm. Seem like cheap ass M$ copy interfaces to me. I like Apple's interfaces. Simpler and more intuitive.
Google phone? Is it here yet? Competition? Bring it on. It's not like Apple like's sitting still. I think they have their answer ready and waiting. Apple knows how to compete in their new arena of consumer electronics. They have nearly 300 Apple stores and counting. They have carriers. They are getting MORE carriers on board. Hell. They even have Tesco on board in the UK. Carphone warehouse. 02. Orange. And Vodaphone soon probably. So, if you want an iPhone, it's not like you can't get one.
Will the Google phone have a better interface? I doubt it but we'll see. Being a 'good copy' won't be enough. Will they have an app store of 100K and counting apps? Will it be easy to develop for with it's hundreds of different models? Will it be as intuitive? Faster? Easier to use? Have more games? And even if they pull level or SOMEHOW get ahead. How much ahead will a fractured eco system be?
Apple can do VOIP if they want to. Apple are building a data centre. I wouldn't rule Apple ultimately buying out ATT or doing their own 'cloud pipe' over the internet. It's not like Apple aren't aware of these issues.
This isn't the Apple of the early 1990s. They aren't asleep. They have Steve Jobs. They a great executive team who performed very well in Steve's absence. These 'me too' phones have the benefit of being 'new' then what do they do? They gain little traction because they are far behind. Physical k'boards are so 20th century. 30 apps in your app store is so smartphones last century. Have clunky interfaces that don't work or 'novelty' touch that doesn't work. So last century.
Apple lets them fire their ammo'. 2010 is just around the corner. And yet another iPhone update will be upon us.
People seem to forget...the iPhone is Apple's 1st foray into smartphones. Yep. First. And they went in as a 'software platform'. That's what alot of the other guys just don't get. Apple dropped a mountain on them with tehat paradigm shift. That's why Nokia are gurning. They got outcompeted in 2 years. Nokia sat on their Phone market for 20 years. Apple's going to improve the iPhone. I'd expect 200K plus apps at the store soon. I'd expect a price shave if any nearly serious competition turns up. I'd expect more carriers. I'd expect a hardware 'redesign' aka slimmer iPhone this year. And I think an iPhone 'nano' may...just be in the works...but she's keeping very quiet... Apple's only just getting started.
And let us not forget 'the beast' (slate) and 'another' (nano) they will compound the competition's fears. The 'slate' is a casual computing iPhone/iPod touch. Selling 4 million of them a year is only going to add to the iPHONE OS PLATFORM (which adds to the Mac Os X platform...)
Foo2 is incorrect. He's proclaiming the weakness of performance [latency] on the hardware of the phone, when it's the Network backbone latency that dictates the scalability of the dictation application.
I don?t know if there was more to the Foo2?s post but the part Bspears quoted looks accurate to me, that the 3GS does not have the horsepower to support accurate dictation in real time. This is better dealt with by a remote server.
OMG are you blindfolded or what ? Look at that table of yours !
3Q08 had the difference in sales about 1000 (thousands of units sold, I think) and 3Q09 the same difference is almost 1500...in other words RIM got more new users than heralded iPhone did. So they extended their lead.
The MS trolls and recently-banned love to quote from the prediction that Android will overtake iPhone in 2012. So I'll go right ahead and use it to show where RIM is headed. You accept one prediction from a source, you need to accept the other from the same source.
Envy give me a break. You act like everyone can't afford Apple products when the fact is everyone can if they wanted too. What do users have to Envy? Is anyone being denied buying an Apple product? This theory of yours is not only getting really old but sounds even more stupid everytime you bring it up.
Last time I was at my local Apple store I didn't notice any force field around it only allowing certain people inside.
OMG are you blindfolded or what ? Look at that table of yours !
3Q08 had the difference in sales about 1000 (thousands of units sold, I think) and 3Q09 the same difference is almost 1500...in other words RIM got more new users than heralded iPhone did. So they extended their lead. Your interpretation of trends is completely bogus.
It?s great how you are looking at this from only one perspective. Apple?s YoY marketshare percentage change is is 4.2% while RiM?s is 4.8%, but that doesn?t indicate each companies handset growth rate, which is important when determining their future potential.
Apple has a 49% growth rate while RiM?s is 47%. So we have a valid worthwhile metric where Apple is growing faster than RiM YoY. Neither of these in and of themselves are indicative of anything in the future. We can speculate what is likely to happen but we would have to include other factors to do so.
I think RiM?s BOGO and other revenue reducing tactics to push unit sales is important for determining what we may see for Q3-2010. With multi-touch capacitance touchscreens gaining in popularity I expect RiM?s growth to start slowing and their revenue and profits to start stagnating if thy can?t come out with a competing device for the consumer market. The Storm and Storm2 are not contenders.
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Quadra is anything but objective. And please don't try and subject your analysis on me. It just makes you sound like Quadra and the way it was phrased it was no joke. He compared the iPhone to Jesus. That is just wrong.
He needs help in a very serious way.
every APPLE PODCASTING blogger is calling the IPHONE the JESUS phone
which is plain wrong
>>>>it is like EricClapton
the GOD phone
'
refrain from personal; attacks on quadra 610 YOU will be banned for life ..
peace
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This is a stupid comment. He is posting objective facts, and you equate that to "worshipping?"
If he was the type to "worship" things he wouldn't be making Jesus jokes probably. Unless you are actually trying to suggest that he formerly worshiped this Jesus person, and has now switched his allegiance to an inanimate object? That's just crazy talk.
Never mind the fact that Jesus is a myth, but I digress.
Yup. If Apple customers are so satisfied, year after year, they MUST be brainwashed!
Seems Apple products are just that good that we're wiling to overlook some of their faults in favour of the benefits. Wow, well that IS impressive!
You post BS, I post facts, numbers, trends. The things you like to ignore.
Blogs are fun.
Numbers are better.
http://www.iphonealley.com/current/g...e-market-share
I see no delusions here. Just amazing results for an amazing product. And the better the iPhone does, the louder the haters, the envious, "the award-winning creative directors" and the just plain frustrated will scream.
Hey Quadra, check your table. See the column sales in 08 and 09. Subtract the numbers for iPhone and RIM and you see that RIM actually increased its lead by quite a margin. This doesn't correspond with your previous statement that Apple is in position to overtake RIM in 2010, right ?
Never mind the fact that Jesus is a myth, but I digress.
There is much more evidence that Jesus existed vs. Plato, but don't let facts get in the way of what you think.
Dragon Dictation is impressive but what Foo2 states is correct. The app works by sending your audio to their servers and then returning with text.
Foo2 is incorrect. He's proclaiming the weakness of performance [latency] on the hardware of the phone, when it's the Network backbone latency that dictates the scalability of the dictation application.
Google isn't focused on the developer or end user, Schmidt only joined Apple's board to poach ideas and sit in at the major keynotes.
That's quite a statement of yours but it is not backed by facts. Let's go through your list...
Lets talk more about software, cause thats what the iPhone really is. Google's unannounced version of Android 2.1. vs the announced and in use iPhone 3.0
iPhone 3.0:
1,000 new API's.......iPod Library Access
Peer to Peer connectivity ............ GPS lingo
In-App Purchases ........ In Game Voice
Ad-Hoc ...... Shake API
Accessory Support ..... Data Detectors
Spotlight
In App email
Streaming Audio/Video
Core Data
1, 000 new API's.. YES TouchCocoa is complex.
PtoP...Android has it since version 1
In-App purchases...Android has it since Android Market debut
Ad-hoc..Android has it in 2.0
Spotlight..Android has it since 1.5
In App Email...Android has it since version 1
I am not sure about other features if they match what iPhone has 100% but this is just a quick check from the top of my head. Android is not a slouch, iPhone is already playing catchup in several areas.
Apple's SDK is designed to Help the developers and with iPhone 3.0 they even brought over 100 New Features to the end user.
You trying to say Android SDK is total nightmare or what ? I had chance to develop for both and I really prefer Android if I can because I like the SDK and API.
And you forget mention one cool feature of iPhone (from the very beginning of the iPhone SDK) :
Not sure if your investment into application development won't go flushed into toilet if Apple decides to reject your application. That's my favorite feature.
Didnt take long to contradict yourself. Thats what happens when you go to an Apple forum and try to debate with people who back up their stances with fact and proof. Dont sweat it too much, we would feel equally inadequate on your Hannah Montana fan forum.
haha....burn...
really I do not understand this iphone envy that is driving some people nuts. It's like the "If I can not have it, no one will" mentality, juvenile at best. Just because your favorite tech company did not dream up the success of iphone, that it just sucks and is the worst phone out there.
I mean appreciate the other companies tries at their own iphone clones, but I wont trade it for my iphone.
What overwhelming innovations did Android bring us?
I like Android better than the iphone btw, but that is because I'm a linux geek.
You might be surprised but there are some features in Android that are quite novel (and definitely not existing on iPhone). If I have to pick one, it would be the way you can create application by reusing existing pieces, or replace the existing implementation of certain feature if you need. It is in the sharp contrast to monolithic approach of iPhone, resulting in huge file size of the application and so yesterday feel in that regard.
Yet they control the world in the PC arena.
Google has the same business model as Microsoft of the 80's but unlike Microsoft they have business ventures that touch every part of Apple's business model and many that Apple hasn't even ventured into.
it's amazing the contortions the windows fan boys will go to defend Microsoft's failing marketshare or lack thereof, but will predict the fall of Apple that has not happened yet.
what else is in your crystal ball nostradamus? i am sure you and extreme skater would be the best advisors to ballmer's R&D team.
Do any of the Android phones actually have ads in them? That would be weird. Is that happening yet?
Yes it does. But it does happen with iPhone as well (given the reported high market share of mobile web of iPhone, it is even more frequent). New phones have decent browser. People are using it more. More web pages viewed = more AdSense ads, which is the backbone of Google's profits. This is their strategy in a nutshell. They are quite happy with iPhone doing well.
Hey Quadra, check your table. See the column sales in 08 and 09. Subtract the numbers for iPhone and RIM and you see that RIM actually increased its lead by quite a margin. This doesn't correspond with your previous statement that Apple is in position to overtake RIM in 2010, right ?
ANYONE within 2% of the other is in a position to overtake. And we're talking about the iPhone here, which holds numerous advantages over RIM's one-trick e-mail machines. RIM is still experiencing strong corporate sales, howecer, and has bumerous models on offer, which is really a hot-and-cold situation for RIM. I'm betting their business model, coupled with their old and tired Tour/Bold/Pearl paradigm will be their undoing. Where's that Storm 2? Has it been released?
Android....Will it be easy to develop for with it's hundreds of different models? ... How much ahead will a fractured eco system be?
...
Apple... l And yet another iPhone update will be upon us....And I think an iPhone 'nano' may...just be in the works...but she's keeping very quiet... Apple's only just getting started. ....And let us not forget 'the beast' (slate)
What leads you to conclusion the Android is fragmented beyond repair and iPhone will never be, despite the rumors you mentioned ?
While Android will run on many different devices and there multiple versions of the OS at the same time, the API is quite solid (just new versions have more features, but this applies to iPhone as well) and there is published information how Android deals with multiple screen resolution (quite simple and almost automatic), the iPhone has three different models (original, 3G and 3GS) and all of them has different hardware functions (GPS and Compass) so the platform is more fragmented RIGHT NOW. And you have zero information about the new models and there is Apple's patented silence about how they'll handle different screen resolutions of Nano or any other future phone (which you admit is coming). Your claims are not backed by facts.
ANYONE within 2% of the other is in a position to overtake. And we're talking about the iPhone here, which holds numerous advanages over RIM's one-trick e-mail machines.
OMG are you blindfolded or what ? Look at that table of yours !
3Q08 had the difference in sales about 1000 (thousands of units sold, I think) and 3Q09 the same difference is almost 1500...in other words RIM got more new users than heralded iPhone did. So they extended their lead. Your interpretation of trends is completely bogus.
No, all it did was set the standard in web browsing, integration and ease of use for the laymen.
You know how imitation is the sincerest form of flattery? As in the Google Phone, the Windows phone, Nokia's "attempts" at trying to make an interface that doesn't need a stylus (that N900 doesn't have a capacitive screen - FAIL).
I don't think resistive screens are fail by default. Latest Samsung Omnia and relating units have resistive screen as sensitive as capacitive screens - according to reviews I have seen. If that is true, there is nice advantage being able to use phone with gloves, stylus... but also disadvantage of being forced to keep phone locked all the time as almost any light touch in pocket can initiate call/run application/...
As it is, I'm happy for not having to lock my iPhone before putting it in pocket... but whenever I need to sketch something, I realize I miss my Palm PDA stylus. Luckily I put phone in pocket much more often than I sketch
Apple went from a pro company that tailored to musicians, graphics, desing dropped all of that, and went straight to a consumer cmpany dropping .mac and the word computer from their name.
That sai, it is easy to see that google wanted to wait to have Chrome on the mac before announcing OS, phones and who knows what else. I can tell you HTC are wel accepted inthe enterrise markets and if they get 20-40% of that, it wil be a major coup for them. Picking up areas that others simply ignored.
Peace.
Nobody creates in a vacuum.
Apple does take a product area where they see room for improvement and go into that market if it's within their core competency. And they're good at it because they choose their fights very carefully and don't spread themselves too thinly.
They aren't perfect.
But the iPhone? When it was launched? Blew the competition in smart phones out the water. The 1st useable internet phone/browser/smartphone...integrated with best in class mp3 player. Apple went in...and swept all players away. It's only a matter of time before Apple chase down Nokia in unit sales.
They made a few 'mistakes' along the way. eg Pricing of iPHone was horrendous to start with, and single carrier exclusives and no 3G. However, the exclusivity thing allowed them the 'control' Apple need to make a product. Now they've got the kinks ironed out in the product, SDK, app store, 3G they've opened it up to software developers, made it cheaper and offered it to more carriers and countries. The 3GS iPhone is the ultimate in smartphones to me. The rest seem very 'me too' despite their hype, palm, droid and the vapour ware M$ phone.
Google. Yeah. Some may say they're a 'snake in the grass' (yeah, one of your primary competitors sitting on the board...not sure how that works...) But who cares? If they are to mobile and web computing like M$ was and is to desktops? Are we worried? I use Google's search engine. That's all. Anything else they do? Anything great? Gmail? Don't use it. Use Yahoo. Free apps? Don't use them. Use Apple's apps. Interface? Hmm. Seem like cheap ass M$ copy interfaces to me. I like Apple's interfaces. Simpler and more intuitive.
Google phone? Is it here yet? Competition? Bring it on. It's not like Apple like's sitting still. I think they have their answer ready and waiting. Apple knows how to compete in their new arena of consumer electronics. They have nearly 300 Apple stores and counting. They have carriers. They are getting MORE carriers on board. Hell. They even have Tesco on board in the UK. Carphone warehouse. 02. Orange. And Vodaphone soon probably. So, if you want an iPhone, it's not like you can't get one.
Will the Google phone have a better interface? I doubt it but we'll see. Being a 'good copy' won't be enough. Will they have an app store of 100K and counting apps? Will it be easy to develop for with it's hundreds of different models? Will it be as intuitive? Faster? Easier to use? Have more games? And even if they pull level or SOMEHOW get ahead. How much ahead will a fractured eco system be?
Apple can do VOIP if they want to. Apple are building a data centre. I wouldn't rule Apple ultimately buying out ATT or doing their own 'cloud pipe' over the internet. It's not like Apple aren't aware of these issues.
This isn't the Apple of the early 1990s. They aren't asleep. They have Steve Jobs. They a great executive team who performed very well in Steve's absence. These 'me too' phones have the benefit of being 'new' then what do they do? They gain little traction because they are far behind. Physical k'boards are so 20th century. 30 apps in your app store is so smartphones last century. Have clunky interfaces that don't work or 'novelty' touch that doesn't work. So last century.
Apple lets them fire their ammo'. 2010 is just around the corner. And yet another iPhone update will be upon us.
People seem to forget...the iPhone is Apple's 1st foray into smartphones. Yep. First. And they went in as a 'software platform'. That's what alot of the other guys just don't get. Apple dropped a mountain on them with tehat paradigm shift. That's why Nokia are gurning. They got outcompeted in 2 years. Nokia sat on their Phone market for 20 years. Apple's going to improve the iPhone. I'd expect 200K plus apps at the store soon. I'd expect a price shave if any nearly serious competition turns up. I'd expect more carriers. I'd expect a hardware 'redesign' aka slimmer iPhone this year. And I think an iPhone 'nano' may...just be in the works...but she's keeping very quiet... Apple's only just getting started.
And let us not forget 'the beast' (slate) and 'another' (nano) they will compound the competition's fears. The 'slate' is a casual computing iPhone/iPod touch. Selling 4 million of them a year is only going to add to the iPHONE OS PLATFORM (which adds to the Mac Os X platform...)
Apple. Ready and waiting with the chainsaw.
Lemon Bon Bon.
Foo2 is incorrect. He's proclaiming the weakness of performance [latency] on the hardware of the phone, when it's the Network backbone latency that dictates the scalability of the dictation application.
I don?t know if there was more to the Foo2?s post but the part Bspears quoted looks accurate to me, that the 3GS does not have the horsepower to support accurate dictation in real time. This is better dealt with by a remote server.
OMG are you blindfolded or what ? Look at that table of yours !
3Q08 had the difference in sales about 1000 (thousands of units sold, I think) and 3Q09 the same difference is almost 1500...in other words RIM got more new users than heralded iPhone did. So they extended their lead.
That can change completely next quarter.
http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/20...ne-os-race.ars
The MS trolls and recently-banned love to quote from the prediction that Android will overtake iPhone in 2012. So I'll go right ahead and use it to show where RIM is headed. You accept one prediction from a source, you need to accept the other from the same source.
http://www.electronista.com/articles...re.in.3.years/
Envy give me a break. You act like everyone can't afford Apple products when the fact is everyone can if they wanted too. What do users have to Envy? Is anyone being denied buying an Apple product? This theory of yours is not only getting really old but sounds even more stupid everytime you bring it up.
Last time I was at my local Apple store I didn't notice any force field around it only allowing certain people inside.
Actually I like Envy. Great stuff
OMG are you blindfolded or what ? Look at that table of yours !
3Q08 had the difference in sales about 1000 (thousands of units sold, I think) and 3Q09 the same difference is almost 1500...in other words RIM got more new users than heralded iPhone did. So they extended their lead. Your interpretation of trends is completely bogus.
It?s great how you are looking at this from only one perspective. Apple?s YoY marketshare percentage change is is 4.2% while RiM?s is 4.8%, but that doesn?t indicate each companies handset growth rate, which is important when determining their future potential.
Apple has a 49% growth rate while RiM?s is 47%. So we have a valid worthwhile metric where Apple is growing faster than RiM YoY. Neither of these in and of themselves are indicative of anything in the future. We can speculate what is likely to happen but we would have to include other factors to do so.
I think RiM?s BOGO and other revenue reducing tactics to push unit sales is important for determining what we may see for Q3-2010. With multi-touch capacitance touchscreens gaining in popularity I expect RiM?s growth to start slowing and their revenue and profits to start stagnating if thy can?t come out with a competing device for the consumer market. The Storm and Storm2 are not contenders.