Do we also count the Touch since it runs iPhone OS as well as anything based off of Android, including PMPs and netbooks?
I wouldn't, but you might
All Android phones, even in different shapes, will have same OS and same core functionality - talk, txt, email, browse, organize etc.
While Touch does have same software as iPhone, core functionality is missing - no talk/txt/email/browse over mobile network. Considering that, I see it as much more different product to iPhone than different Android phones are between themselves.
Or, in short - it is not a phone.
Likewise, non-phone products with Android shouldn't qualify.
The historical Jesus, or rather "Christus" as Tacitus, Suetonius and other Roman writers called him, did exist. Unfortunately, all we really know for sure is that he was born around Galilee during Tacitus' lifetime (reign of Nero), and that he was executed for causing disturbances. There is general scholarly agreement that Pilate was his judge. Those are really the only facts we have about him. As for the rest of the story, I really can't comment. The whole "Jesus as myth" thesis (which denies any existence of Jesus wholesale, historical or otherwise) is dead, and is not considered serious scholarship today. There was a historical "Jesus", but we know very little about him. Jesus was not important to the Romans of Tactius' day. He is barely a footnote in Tactitus' account of the imperial reign, for example. For the Romans, "Christus" was a common criminal and rabble-rouser. He was merely one of several on a list to be executed that day. That's it.
So all we really know is this:
"Jesus" was a real person, we know approximately when he was executed, and we know that Pilate (who did exist at the time) was his judge.
So... do you compare iPhone to Biblical Jesus, or to Roman Jesus..?
So... do you compare iPhone to Biblical Jesus, or to Roman Jesus..?
Is this even the right arena for this?
If you believe that Jesus Christ is your lord and saviour then thats enough. Peoples personal walk with christ is their walk....
Steve Jobs is (from the last time I read) a buddhist.... I think it's more appropriate to say that GOD has blessed steve jobs with an ability to drive people around him to see his vision of what the computer/ digital music/ mp3 market should look like which in turn has inspired users to enjoy such GREAT PRODUCTS
Why couldn't that battery be taken one step further?!.... Let's say instead of the secondary batter they took time to innovate and figure out a way to have one slim designed battery that acts as 2 batteries in one.... Or even better, come up with a hybrid (referring to how it functions) type battery!? why not the creators of the envy collaborate with a company thats ahead in battery technology that brings something more helpful to the user, in a tightly bundled package? ... That's what APPLE DOES DAILY, thats INNOVATION thats not stopping at design like the MBA but going beyond that. Even better the iMac design seeing it's evolution each year is amazing!
I was exaggerating to make my point. It's not that big of a deal.
Beatles thought the same when they said they are more popular than Jesus.
Proven otherwise.
I am not religious, so I don't care... except that historical Jesus might have been an idealist who was used - if not sacrificed - by his more practical and opportunistic followers in order to boost their teaching... so basically, as I have already mentioned, a scapegoat, or martyr.
If you believe that Jesus Christ is your lord and saviour then thats enough. Peoples personal walk with christ is their walk....
Steve Jobs is (from the last time I read) a buddhist.... I think it's more appropriate to say that GOD has blessed steve jobs with an ability to drive people around him to see his vision of what the computer/ digital music/ mp3 market should look like which in turn has inspired users to enjoy such GREAT PRODUCTS
No, this is not the right arena for this
Anyway, I'm just replying. Opportunity for good discussion lies everywhere
1) I don’t recall which carriers which means i could very well be incorrect. I’ll try to look later when I get some time.
2) BOGO works in some ways but I think ultimately excessive discounts are not a good thing your customer should expect before considering to make a purchase. Frankly I don’t understand the draw to get a “free’ phone but with two 24 month plans. The number would seem small but their sales seem to show that it’s working.
3) This thread is 250 posts now so some an alteration from the original post is not unwarranted, especially with so little to discuss about this “Google phone” . Just be glad we’re still talking about phones at all. So who do you think is going to win the World Cup next summer?
The 2 year requirement is what carriers go after. In a way, a phone without a service plan is kind of useless. But I kind of agree in a way with what you think of the 2 year plan requirement.
Think of the sales increase if carriers offered a free upgrade of your current phone with the addition of a new line. Or just not have a contract plan for the second one. You're already locked in with the first one so you're not going anywhere soon. We might just be onto something here...
Sadly, I haven't watched the World Cup for years. I'm going to say Germany just to stir up the hornet's nest. :P
Why couldn't that battery be taken one step further?!.... Let's say instead of the secondary batter they took time to innovate and figure out a way to have one slim designed battery that acts as 2 batteries in one.... Or even better, come up with a hybrid (referring to how it functions) type battery!? why not the creators of the envy collaborate with a company thats ahead in battery technology that brings something more helpful to the user, in a tightly bundled package? ... That's what APPLE DOES DAILY, thats INNOVATION thats not stopping at design like the MBA but going beyond that. Even better the iMac design seeing it's evolution each year is amazing!
Well, from my point of view - having option to plug very discrete and well designed secondary battery is one step further than having only one battery
Well, from my point of view - having option to plug very discrete and well designed secondary battery is one step further than having only one battery
True.. It's a start, though if I'm a Huge cooperation with millions to spend on R&D, I would definitely be taking pages out of Apple's book to contribute to society.
" Great artist steal, Bad artist copy " -Steve Jobs (Steve got the quote from pablo picaso)
So I'm browsing around finding new information about the HTC Passion and came across some articles showing supposed pictures of the Nexus One (as Google calls it). All the articles with the leaked pictures are saying that it might be the HTC Passion.
But at the same time, I'm seeing lots of reports that Google isn't trying to make their own phone. That the whole "Google Phone" business is just them testing out the latest devices from other companies before they get released to the carriers.
I was thinking that, though...you really couldn't give a damn about the phone watching the other numerous commercials about 60 different HTC versions and the Droid being "with Google". What else ya got guys?
Anyway, just for fun I looked through some stuff here on AI by searching "app store debut".
It's funny that before it's launch, people were so uninterested in it, and bitching more about cut/paste and MMS.
I am a little disappointed in Google for stealing ideas from Apple while sitting on the board, but it's inevitable in business. I am interested in what they may do to improve the model, though. I'd be even more disappointed in Google if they couldn't improve upon it.
Compare the 13" Envy to the 13" MacBook Pro. What the hell would make me want an Envy for $500 more, when it has the same processor, is only a little lighter, has no optical drive...
I asked the guy at the shop the same question, and he said, "Because it runs Windows!"
The 2 year requirement is what carriers go after. In a way, a phone without a service plan is kind of useless. But I kind of agree in a way with what you think of the 2 year plan requirement.
Think of the sales increase if carriers offered a free upgrade of your current phone with the addition of a new line. Or just not have a contract plan for the second one. You're already locked in with the first one so you're not going anywhere soon. We might just be onto something here...
Sadly, I haven't watched the World Cup for years. I'm going to say Germany just to stir up the hornet's nest. :P
Couldn?t people just sell the second device if they didn?t require a contract? I know I?d never agree to that.
I recall reading that when the original iPhone, using the profit sharing model, was starting to go on sale in the UK, O2 was giving away Nokia N97s with am 18 or 24 month contract. I recall reading about people selling these pricey devices to cover some or part of the costs of buying the original iPhone.
I?m an optimist and tend to go for the underdog so I?ll say the US in 2010
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Compare the 13" Envy to the 13" MacBook Pro. What the hell would make me want an Envy for $500 more, when it has the same processor, is only a little lighter, has no optical drive...
I asked the guy at the shop the same question, and he said, "Because it runs Windows!"
So now, apparently, there's a $500 "Windows tax."
For the price it fails big time, and the trackpad has the great HW aspects of MBPS but really poor drivers that have reviewer stating that you have to use an external mouse to make a useful system. I love the manual on a 2GB SD card and lack of an optical drive, but the OS reinstall disc should have come on an 8GB SD card, though it?s possible MS won?t allow that at this time. I also love the thin aux battery that fits underneath. I assume it?s Li-Poly yet still only gets what the MB gets with it?s single internal battery which is still thinner. HP rates their system at 18 hours with this extra battery. I really wish the metric type used was changed or at least noted so people could look up how vendors calculated the battery time.
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Do we also count the Touch since it runs iPhone OS as well as anything based off of Android, including PMPs and netbooks?
I wouldn't, but you might
All Android phones, even in different shapes, will have same OS and same core functionality - talk, txt, email, browse, organize etc.
While Touch does have same software as iPhone, core functionality is missing - no talk/txt/email/browse over mobile network. Considering that, I see it as much more different product to iPhone than different Android phones are between themselves.
Or, in short - it is not a phone.
Likewise, non-phone products with Android shouldn't qualify.
Yes. What's your point?
The historical Jesus, or rather "Christus" as Tacitus, Suetonius and other Roman writers called him, did exist. Unfortunately, all we really know for sure is that he was born around Galilee during Tacitus' lifetime (reign of Nero), and that he was executed for causing disturbances. There is general scholarly agreement that Pilate was his judge. Those are really the only facts we have about him. As for the rest of the story, I really can't comment. The whole "Jesus as myth" thesis (which denies any existence of Jesus wholesale, historical or otherwise) is dead, and is not considered serious scholarship today. There was a historical "Jesus", but we know very little about him. Jesus was not important to the Romans of Tactius' day. He is barely a footnote in Tactitus' account of the imperial reign, for example. For the Romans, "Christus" was a common criminal and rabble-rouser. He was merely one of several on a list to be executed that day. That's it.
So all we really know is this:
"Jesus" was a real person, we know approximately when he was executed, and we know that Pilate (who did exist at the time) was his judge.
So... do you compare iPhone to Biblical Jesus, or to Roman Jesus..?
So... do you compare iPhone to Biblical Jesus, or to Roman Jesus..?
I was exaggerating to make my point. It's not that big of a deal.
Tasteless.... And un-innovative
Secondary battery is great design, actually.
So... do you compare iPhone to Biblical Jesus, or to Roman Jesus..?
Is this even the right arena for this?
If you believe that Jesus Christ is your lord and saviour then thats enough. Peoples personal walk with christ is their walk....
Steve Jobs is (from the last time I read) a buddhist.... I think it's more appropriate to say that GOD has blessed steve jobs with an ability to drive people around him to see his vision of what the computer/ digital music/ mp3 market should look like which in turn has inspired users to enjoy such GREAT PRODUCTS
Secondary battery is great design, actually.
Why couldn't that battery be taken one step further?!.... Let's say instead of the secondary batter they took time to innovate and figure out a way to have one slim designed battery that acts as 2 batteries in one.... Or even better, come up with a hybrid (referring to how it functions) type battery!? why not the creators of the envy collaborate with a company thats ahead in battery technology that brings something more helpful to the user, in a tightly bundled package? ... That's what APPLE DOES DAILY, thats INNOVATION thats not stopping at design like the MBA but going beyond that. Even better the iMac design seeing it's evolution each year is amazing!
I was exaggerating to make my point. It's not that big of a deal.
Beatles thought the same when they said they are more popular than Jesus.
Proven otherwise.
I am not religious, so I don't care... except that historical Jesus might have been an idealist who was used - if not sacrificed - by his more practical and opportunistic followers in order to boost their teaching... so basically, as I have already mentioned, a scapegoat, or martyr.
Hardly a parallel I'd like to apply to my iPhone.
Is this even the right arena for this?
If you believe that Jesus Christ is your lord and saviour then thats enough. Peoples personal walk with christ is their walk....
Steve Jobs is (from the last time I read) a buddhist.... I think it's more appropriate to say that GOD has blessed steve jobs with an ability to drive people around him to see his vision of what the computer/ digital music/ mp3 market should look like which in turn has inspired users to enjoy such GREAT PRODUCTS
No, this is not the right arena for this
Anyway, I'm just replying. Opportunity for good discussion lies everywhere
1) I don’t recall which carriers which means i could very well be incorrect. I’ll try to look later when I get some time.
2) BOGO works in some ways but I think ultimately excessive discounts are not a good thing your customer should expect before considering to make a purchase. Frankly I don’t understand the draw to get a “free’ phone but with two 24 month plans. The number would seem small but their sales seem to show that it’s working.
3) This thread is 250 posts now so some an alteration from the original post is not unwarranted, especially with so little to discuss about this “Google phone” . Just be glad we’re still talking about phones at all. So who do you think is going to win the World Cup next summer?
The 2 year requirement is what carriers go after. In a way, a phone without a service plan is kind of useless. But I kind of agree in a way with what you think of the 2 year plan requirement.
Think of the sales increase if carriers offered a free upgrade of your current phone with the addition of a new line. Or just not have a contract plan for the second one. You're already locked in with the first one so you're not going anywhere soon. We might just be onto something here...
Sadly, I haven't watched the World Cup for years. I'm going to say Germany just to stir up the hornet's nest. :P
Why couldn't that battery be taken one step further?!.... Let's say instead of the secondary batter they took time to innovate and figure out a way to have one slim designed battery that acts as 2 batteries in one.... Or even better, come up with a hybrid (referring to how it functions) type battery!? why not the creators of the envy collaborate with a company thats ahead in battery technology that brings something more helpful to the user, in a tightly bundled package? ... That's what APPLE DOES DAILY, thats INNOVATION thats not stopping at design like the MBA but going beyond that. Even better the iMac design seeing it's evolution each year is amazing!
Well, from my point of view - having option to plug very discrete and well designed secondary battery is one step further than having only one battery
When was the last time you saw a android commercial promoting it's feature of apps??
I just saw one tonight, about Google Street View with voice navigation. It was an ad more focused on apps than phone.
Well, from my point of view - having option to plug very discrete and well designed secondary battery is one step further than having only one battery
True.. It's a start, though if I'm a Huge cooperation with millions to spend on R&D, I would definitely be taking pages out of Apple's book to contribute to society.
" Great artist steal, Bad artist copy " -Steve Jobs (Steve got the quote from pablo picaso)
I just saw one tonight, about Google Street View with voice navigation. It was an ad more focused on apps than phone.
WOW!!
But at the same time, I'm seeing lots of reports that Google isn't trying to make their own phone. That the whole "Google Phone" business is just them testing out the latest devices from other companies before they get released to the carriers.
Very interesting...
WOW!!
I was thinking that, though...you really couldn't give a damn about the phone watching the other numerous commercials about 60 different HTC versions and the Droid being "with Google". What else ya got guys?
Anyway, just for fun I looked through some stuff here on AI by searching "app store debut".
It's funny that before it's launch, people were so uninterested in it, and bitching more about cut/paste and MMS.
I am a little disappointed in Google for stealing ideas from Apple while sitting on the board, but it's inevitable in business. I am interested in what they may do to improve the model, though. I'd be even more disappointed in Google if they couldn't improve upon it.
Actually I like Envy. Great stuff
Compare the 13" Envy to the 13" MacBook Pro. What the hell would make me want an Envy for $500 more, when it has the same processor, is only a little lighter, has no optical drive...
I asked the guy at the shop the same question, and he said, "Because it runs Windows!"
So now, apparently, there's a $500 "Windows tax."
Tasteless.... And un-innovative
What is tasteless about it?
I asked the guy at the shop the same question, and he said, "Because it runs Windows!"
That's usually a reason NOT to get something.
The 2 year requirement is what carriers go after. In a way, a phone without a service plan is kind of useless. But I kind of agree in a way with what you think of the 2 year plan requirement.
Think of the sales increase if carriers offered a free upgrade of your current phone with the addition of a new line. Or just not have a contract plan for the second one. You're already locked in with the first one so you're not going anywhere soon. We might just be onto something here...
Sadly, I haven't watched the World Cup for years. I'm going to say Germany just to stir up the hornet's nest. :P
Couldn?t people just sell the second device if they didn?t require a contract? I know I?d never agree to that.
I recall reading that when the original iPhone, using the profit sharing model, was starting to go on sale in the UK, O2 was giving away Nokia N97s with am 18 or 24 month contract. I recall reading about people selling these pricey devices to cover some or part of the costs of buying the original iPhone.
I?m an optimist and tend to go for the underdog so I?ll say the US in 2010
Compare the 13" Envy to the 13" MacBook Pro. What the hell would make me want an Envy for $500 more, when it has the same processor, is only a little lighter, has no optical drive...
I asked the guy at the shop the same question, and he said, "Because it runs Windows!"
So now, apparently, there's a $500 "Windows tax."
For the price it fails big time, and the trackpad has the great HW aspects of MBPS but really poor drivers that have reviewer stating that you have to use an external mouse to make a useful system. I love the manual on a 2GB SD card and lack of an optical drive, but the OS reinstall disc should have come on an 8GB SD card, though it?s possible MS won?t allow that at this time. I also love the thin aux battery that fits underneath. I assume it?s Li-Poly yet still only gets what the MB gets with it?s single internal battery which is still thinner. HP rates their system at 18 hours with this extra battery. I really wish the metric type used was changed or at least noted so people could look up how vendors calculated the battery time.
1.Then sooner or later the users start asking why do I need a track ball to navigate?
Why can't I just use my finger to get a magnifying bubble like the iPhone?
2.Why is Cut and Paste not as intuitive and simple as the iPhone?
Eh?
1. You don't have to use the tracball to navigate, it complements touch screen if you don't want to use two hands
2. Not as intuitive? Long pres, bubble and select text. Where's the difference?