[quote] As long as the Arabs hate the Israelis more than they love their children, frankly, they will always be considered as sub par compared the rest of humanity. <hr></blockquote>
You are the one talking about the german Nazis? What does thos retoric sound like?
Need a clue?
[quote]The Arabs refuse to resettle their population among their vast territory, and finally end this stupidity.<hr></blockquote>
You talk of these people like they were a herd of sheep. These are different nations with different cultures.
[quote]Also, this is not a religious conflict like some like to point out. Even their Koran speaks of this land belonging to the Jews.<hr></blockquote>
religion and land... The Koran, Torah and Bible doesn't decide who has the right to any land. neither does the fact that your forefathers used to live there 2000 years ago...
[quote] They recognize both Moses and Abraham. <hr></blockquote>
They don't just "recognize" them. They see them as their forefathers, just like the jews... You know that the jews and the arabs have common forefathers, right?
[quote] On 29th September, 1938, Adolf Hitler, Neville Chamberlain, Edouard Daladier and Benito Mussolini sign the Munich Agreement which transfers the Sudetenland to Germany. Hitler marches into the Sudetenland on 1st October, 1938 - under the pretext of liberating the ethnic Germans there. As this area contained nearly all Czechoslovakia's mountain fortifications, Czechoslovakia is no longer able to defend herself against Hitler. And a little later, in March 1939, the whole of Czechoslovakia comes under the control of the Nazis.
On the 29th November, 1947, the United Nations General Assembly pass a resolution to transfer historic Jewish lands in the then British Mandate to Arab control. The area transferred is again a mountainous area, leaving the Jewish population extremely vulnerable to attack(s). Jews are allocated just a fraction of their historic lands. With the British set to leave their Mandate on the 15th May, 1948, the armies of Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, Jordan, and Egypt, with the help of local Arabs in Judea Samaria, that same day invade the remaining Jewish portion (then called Israel) of the British Mandate - under the pretext of liberating it from the Jews. The invasion, heralded by an Egyptian air attack on Tel Aviv, is vigorously resisted by Israel, using arms purchased in Czechoslovakia among other places. <hr></blockquote>
well firstly palestine wasn't controlled by jews when it was transferd to arab control. so the simillarities stops right there. Your "parallel" does little more than "hint" that all of the arab states are the same as the german nazis. When your friend Herzl talked about Isreal, his dream was was a "waste" territory, streatching
covering a lot of syria and jordan as well... And as a sidenote, You know of course that Czechoslovakia is now splitt into two countries. One for the Czechs and one for the Slovaks...
[quote] Three million Sudeten Germans were transferred to Bavaria and other German states at the end of that war. For obvious reasons (OIL), the Jews need to be a bit more patient. So the transfer of the Arabs out of Judea Samaria and Gaza, is yet to be written in the history books. <hr></blockquote>
I think most people don't think the transfer of the Sudeten Germans was "just"... But still Your picture doesn't work because most of the arabs have been living in Palestine longer than their Israeli counterparts. If anyone is practicing the policy of "lebensraum" here it is the israeli settlers... You talk of the conflict as if the arabs are occupying Isreael, and not the other way around. One could use your logic in the opposit direction, and say that it is Israeli policies that are simmilar to Germany in 1938. You probably want Sinai back too?
[quote]borrow their schoolbooks...<hr></blockquote>
I've seen some of the schoolbooks used in the settlements. They don't even mention palestine or the palestinians... Like they never existed....
[quote] You were upset Nick, that I didn?t refer to the Arabs in these areas as Palestinians. This is because there is no such thing as a Palestinian. There never was. You can go back thousands of years. You'll never find it. This is modern invention by Arab propagandists. I read the history books Nick. I know what I?m talking about.
Yes. And everything else the Arabs with the help of the British stole from us. This includes considerable parts of what today is Lebanon, Syria, Jordan and Egypt.
Guess who's occupying whose land now?
quote:
firstly palestine wasn't controlled by jews when it was transferd to arab control.
No. It was controled by the Brits... Who won it from the Turks... who won it from... who won it from... who won it from the JEWS.
quote:
They don't just "recognize" them. They see them as their forefathers, just like the jews... You know that the jews and the arabs have common forefathers, right?
You'll need to clue me in as to how the Arabs are related to Moses. But according to your logic, all of Arabia therefore belongs to us. Gee, thanks New. Ok boys, let's go get that oil. <img src="graemlins/smokin.gif" border="0" alt="[Chilling]" />
Your picture doesn't work because most of the arabs have been living in Palestine longer than their Israeli counterparts.
We?ve gone through that argument already. If you?ve been to that area you?d know that?s not true. And there are plenty of references to show that. Mark Twain comes to mind. And like I said before - look at the houses. They are not more than 50 years old.
The Turks pretty much emptied that land of inhabitants during their rein when they cut down all the wood in that area. It wasn?t until the Zionist movement began, and as they started to bring back life to the land, that that area became populated again. As more Jews populated that land, more Arabs arrived due to the increased economic viability of the area. The same process is still ongoing today. Just recently I read that 50,000 from Jordan alone infiltrated into Israel in the last few months. All working illegally. And I know we have many more Egyptian, and Morrocan, and ? you just name them.
quote:
... The Koran, Torah and Bible doesn't decide who has the right to any land. neither does the fact that your forefathers used to live there 2000 years ago...
So what does decide? I still didn't get an answer to that question. A bunch of European imperialist thieves decide? Like the British? As a favor to the Arabs for helping them defeat the Turks?
That's a pretty interesting point? Yes who DOES decide who gets what land? Huh? I always thought it was the guys with the bigger guns. The brithish took it from the Native Americans, Americans took it from the british, Americans took more from the Natives, Spanish and Portuguese took it from South American Natives, and lets not even mention Europes relations with Africa. If Israel is willing to fight for what's theirs then.... let them fight it out. This has been going on since the beginning of time. Who's to stop it now. It's just amazing the amount of anti-semitism around here, but if you look at the source it's not surprising. I guess you can blame it on the midievel christian church that started the jew hating campaign centuries ago. Or Hitler's Germany just decades ago. Or the Islamic world just recently... I think I just like sticking up for the underdog.
Ranan R. Lurie, a senior adjunct fellow at the Center for Strategic and International Studies in Washington, is a syndicated columnist and political cartoonist.
March 15 2002
By early 1937, German generals unveiled with pride to Hitler their new dive bomber and Panzer tank. "We wish that we could have tested them in real combat," exclaimed one concerned but proud field marshal. Hitler raised his eyebrow and asked his officer, "Why don't you send these beautiful machines to the battleground in Spain to help our fascist friend Gen. Franco?"
The generals did. Germany's planes proved themselves on the battlefields of Spain. The same planes, with improvements resulting from battle experience, devastated Poland in 1939. The Third Reich's new tanks, enhanced and perfected after their Spanish combat practice, invaded in hours and demolished the lowlands of Holland and Belgium.
England and France refused to face what Hitler was writing on the Spanish wall, although the Nazi planes were tearing up the blue Iberian skies with cannon fire and Nazi attack tanks had bulldozed Madrid to the ground. Something similar is happening now in Israel, which is serving as the Spanish testing ground for future attacks on Philadelphia, Los Angeles, Washington, London and even Moscow. Should the suicide bomber--the new secret human tool of terror--prove to be a successful, unchallenged weapon, there will be plenty of fanatics ready to take trips to the United States, Britain or France.
There they will join their cells already planted in those countries, pick up their explosives belts and create the same devastation and panic that we have seen so often in Jerusalem and Tel Aviv.
In comparison with a chemical or nuclear device, this weapon is much less complicated: It consists of a functioning brainwashed true believer who has deluded himself into thinking that if he blows himself up and kills as many infidels around him as possible, Allah will bestow the favors of no less than 72 virgins awaiting him in Islamic heaven.
To sweeten the deal, Iraq's Saddam Hussein will grant the surviving families at least $10,000, according to the Israeli press. This is a win-win for the suicide bomber.
Meanwhile, the West will suffer the deaths of innocent civilians, experience economic chaos and expose itself to constant blackmailing.
If the suicide terrorists succeed and bring Israel to its knees, the West is likely to be next in line. The intent and hope of the suicide-bombing industry is to force the infidel Christian in the West to see the light of the real God (Allah) and surrender to demands by any terrorist group. With luck and determination, so they think, the West may even convert to the Islamic faith (Libya's Moammar Kadafi actually brought up this option in the mid-1970s).
There is almost no way to stop determined suicidal maniacs. All they need is a passport and a plane ticket. Simple explosives are readily available at any demolition site or big construction company.
I said "almost" because there is a way to stop this nightmare: The international community must recognize that Israel is the new Spain. The West, along with the United Nations, must understand that the horrifying suicide bombings that are being tested right now in the Middle East can hit any country, sooner or later.
The world community, led by the U.S., should immediately declare that this kind of warfare is as illegitimate as nerve gas or mustard gas. Any organization that supports and sends suicide bombers into action should be held responsible by the world community. It should destroy those groups with fury, once and for all.
If we do not defend our civilization against assassins who are almost at our doors, our children and grandchildren will be at the mercy of certified lunatics.
Israel: Has a country and a solid government... it maybe a flawed country, and it may be a flawed government, but they have EVERYTHING to lose.
Palestine: Doesn't have a country but wants one, has a leader that is calling on everyone being a martyr for the sake of the PLO...they have NOTHING to lose...
whose more dangerous? the man who was everything to lose, or the man who has nothing to lose?
[quote] No. It was controled by the Brits... Who won it from the Turks... who won it from... who won it from... who won it from the JEWS. <hr></blockquote>
And the jews won it from...?
[quote] Yes. And everything else the Arabs with the help of the British stole from us. This includes considerable parts of what today is Lebanon, Syria, Jordan and Egypt.
Guess who's occupying whose land now? <hr></blockquote>
Well, there we are. Lebensraum. Case closed...
[quote]You'll need to clue me in as to how the Arabs are related to Moses.<hr></blockquote>
I was reffering to Abraham... Sorry if I wasn't clear enough...
[quote]And like I said before - look at the houses. They are not more than 50 years old.
The Turks pretty much emptied that land of inhabitants during their rein when they cut down all the wood in that area. It wasn?t until the Zionist movement began, and as they started to bring back life to the land, that that area became populated again. As more Jews populated that land, more Arabs arrived due to the increased economic viability of the area. The same process is still ongoing today.<hr></blockquote>
Well, someone has been feeding you lies, sorry to tell you. Go watch Lawrence of Arabia.
Here are some number I dug up:
In 1968, Jewish historian Maxime Rodinson wrote that
"the Arab population of Palestine was native in all the usual senses of the word" (Rodinson, M., Israel and the Arabs, Penguin, 1968, p. 216).
Estimated Population of Palestine 1870-1946
Arabs (%) Jews (%) Total
1870 367,224 (98%) 7,000 (2%) 375,000
1893 469,000 (98%) 10,000 (2%) 497,000
1912 525,000 (93%) 40,000 (6%) 565,000
1920 542,000 (90%) 61,000 (10%) 603,000
1925 598,000 (83%) 120,000 (17%) 719,000
1930 763,000 (82%) 165,000 (18%) 928,000
1935 886,000 (71%) 355,000 (29%) 1,241,000
1940 1,014,000 (69%) 463,000 (31%) 1,478,000
1946 1,237,000 (65%) 608,000 (35%) 1,845,000
[quote] Ar·ab n
a member of a Semitic Arabic-speaking people who live throughout North Africa and the Middle East <hr></blockquote>
The arabs are destinct people. If you call a turk or an Iranian an arab, he'll get insulted...
[quote] So what does decide? I still didn't get an answer to that question. A bunch of European imperialist thieves decide? Like the British? As a favor to the Arabs for helping them defeat the Turks? <hr></blockquote>
The UN decieds, Isreal needs to stop ignoring UN resolutions... The have to date ignored more resolutions than Iraq...
[quote] England and France refused to face what Hitler was writing on the Spanish wall, although the Nazi planes were tearing up the blue Iberian skies with cannon fire and Nazi attack tanks had bulldozed Madrid to the ground. Something similar is happening now in Israel, which is serving as the Spanish testing ground for future attacks on Philadelphia, Los Angeles, Washington, London and even Moscow. Should the suicide bomber--the new secret human tool of terror--prove to be a successful, unchallenged weapon, there will be plenty of fanatics ready to take trips to the United States, Britain or France. <hr></blockquote>
It gives a good picture of arab culture under the Ottoman/turk rule... It also shows some of the motivation (and problems) behind the arab national movement...
I haven't seen the movie but isn't a little like saying American cowboy movies are an accurate depiction of what really was the situation in the old West?
Well it's not national geographic, I wouldn't regard it as a "true" picture of what the middleeast was like. But it is a nice story. It's worth seeing when discussing if the arabs are "one people", if there was population before the zionists. If they had national feeling. And the role of the british...
Should the suicide bomber--the new secret human tool of terror--prove to be a successful, unchallenged weapon, there will be plenty of fanatics ready to take trips to the to the United States, Britain or France.
The scary part is that they don't need to take that trip. They are already there.
I always thought it was the guys with the bigger guns.
It is. Only they're quite comfortable right now and so decided the game of musical chairs is now over. Well, at least til the next world war. Should be due any day now.
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You are the one talking about the german Nazis? What does thos retoric sound like?
Need a clue?
[quote]The Arabs refuse to resettle their population among their vast territory, and finally end this stupidity.<hr></blockquote>
You talk of these people like they were a herd of sheep. These are different nations with different cultures.
[quote]Also, this is not a religious conflict like some like to point out. Even their Koran speaks of this land belonging to the Jews.<hr></blockquote>
religion and land... The Koran, Torah and Bible doesn't decide who has the right to any land. neither does the fact that your forefathers used to live there 2000 years ago...
[quote] They recognize both Moses and Abraham. <hr></blockquote>
They don't just "recognize" them. They see them as their forefathers, just like the jews... You know that the jews and the arabs have common forefathers, right?
[quote] On 29th September, 1938, Adolf Hitler, Neville Chamberlain, Edouard Daladier and Benito Mussolini sign the Munich Agreement which transfers the Sudetenland to Germany. Hitler marches into the Sudetenland on 1st October, 1938 - under the pretext of liberating the ethnic Germans there. As this area contained nearly all Czechoslovakia's mountain fortifications, Czechoslovakia is no longer able to defend herself against Hitler. And a little later, in March 1939, the whole of Czechoslovakia comes under the control of the Nazis.
On the 29th November, 1947, the United Nations General Assembly pass a resolution to transfer historic Jewish lands in the then British Mandate to Arab control. The area transferred is again a mountainous area, leaving the Jewish population extremely vulnerable to attack(s). Jews are allocated just a fraction of their historic lands. With the British set to leave their Mandate on the 15th May, 1948, the armies of Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, Jordan, and Egypt, with the help of local Arabs in Judea Samaria, that same day invade the remaining Jewish portion (then called Israel) of the British Mandate - under the pretext of liberating it from the Jews. The invasion, heralded by an Egyptian air attack on Tel Aviv, is vigorously resisted by Israel, using arms purchased in Czechoslovakia among other places. <hr></blockquote>
well firstly palestine wasn't controlled by jews when it was transferd to arab control. so the simillarities stops right there. Your "parallel" does little more than "hint" that all of the arab states are the same as the german nazis. When your friend Herzl talked about Isreal, his dream was was a "waste" territory, streatching
covering a lot of syria and jordan as well... And as a sidenote, You know of course that Czechoslovakia is now splitt into two countries. One for the Czechs and one for the Slovaks...
[quote] Three million Sudeten Germans were transferred to Bavaria and other German states at the end of that war. For obvious reasons (OIL), the Jews need to be a bit more patient. So the transfer of the Arabs out of Judea Samaria and Gaza, is yet to be written in the history books. <hr></blockquote>
I think most people don't think the transfer of the Sudeten Germans was "just"... But still Your picture doesn't work because most of the arabs have been living in Palestine longer than their Israeli counterparts. If anyone is practicing the policy of "lebensraum" here it is the israeli settlers... You talk of the conflict as if the arabs are occupying Isreael, and not the other way around. One could use your logic in the opposit direction, and say that it is Israeli policies that are simmilar to Germany in 1938. You probably want Sinai back too?
[quote]borrow their schoolbooks...<hr></blockquote>
I've seen some of the schoolbooks used in the settlements. They don't even mention palestine or the palestinians... Like they never existed....
[quote] You were upset Nick, that I didn?t refer to the Arabs in these areas as Palestinians. This is because there is no such thing as a Palestinian. There never was. You can go back thousands of years. You'll never find it. This is modern invention by Arab propagandists. I read the history books Nick. I know what I?m talking about.
<hr></blockquote>
The britts callled it Palestine...
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You probably want Sinai back too?
Yes. And everything else the Arabs with the help of the British stole from us. This includes considerable parts of what today is Lebanon, Syria, Jordan and Egypt.
Guess who's occupying whose land now?
quote:
firstly palestine wasn't controlled by jews when it was transferd to arab control.
No. It was controled by the Brits... Who won it from the Turks... who won it from... who won it from... who won it from the JEWS.
quote:
They don't just "recognize" them. They see them as their forefathers, just like the jews... You know that the jews and the arabs have common forefathers, right?
You'll need to clue me in as to how the Arabs are related to Moses. But according to your logic, all of Arabia therefore belongs to us. Gee, thanks New. Ok boys, let's go get that oil. <img src="graemlins/smokin.gif" border="0" alt="[Chilling]" />
mika.
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Your picture doesn't work because most of the arabs have been living in Palestine longer than their Israeli counterparts.
We?ve gone through that argument already. If you?ve been to that area you?d know that?s not true. And there are plenty of references to show that. Mark Twain comes to mind. And like I said before - look at the houses. They are not more than 50 years old.
The Turks pretty much emptied that land of inhabitants during their rein when they cut down all the wood in that area. It wasn?t until the Zionist movement began, and as they started to bring back life to the land, that that area became populated again. As more Jews populated that land, more Arabs arrived due to the increased economic viability of the area. The same process is still ongoing today. Just recently I read that 50,000 from Jordan alone infiltrated into Israel in the last few months. All working illegally. And I know we have many more Egyptian, and Morrocan, and ? you just name them.
quote:
... The Koran, Torah and Bible doesn't decide who has the right to any land. neither does the fact that your forefathers used to live there 2000 years ago...
So what does decide? I still didn't get an answer to that question. A bunch of European imperialist thieves decide? Like the British? As a favor to the Arabs for helping them defeat the Turks?
mika.
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LA Times
By RANAN R. LURIE
Ranan R. Lurie, a senior adjunct fellow at the Center for Strategic and International Studies in Washington, is a syndicated columnist and political cartoonist.
March 15 2002
By early 1937, German generals unveiled with pride to Hitler their new dive bomber and Panzer tank. "We wish that we could have tested them in real combat," exclaimed one concerned but proud field marshal. Hitler raised his eyebrow and asked his officer, "Why don't you send these beautiful machines to the battleground in Spain to help our fascist friend Gen. Franco?"
The generals did. Germany's planes proved themselves on the battlefields of Spain. The same planes, with improvements resulting from battle experience, devastated Poland in 1939. The Third Reich's new tanks, enhanced and perfected after their Spanish combat practice, invaded in hours and demolished the lowlands of Holland and Belgium.
England and France refused to face what Hitler was writing on the Spanish wall, although the Nazi planes were tearing up the blue Iberian skies with cannon fire and Nazi attack tanks had bulldozed Madrid to the ground. Something similar is happening now in Israel, which is serving as the Spanish testing ground for future attacks on Philadelphia, Los Angeles, Washington, London and even Moscow. Should the suicide bomber--the new secret human tool of terror--prove to be a successful, unchallenged weapon, there will be plenty of fanatics ready to take trips to the United States, Britain or France.
There they will join their cells already planted in those countries, pick up their explosives belts and create the same devastation and panic that we have seen so often in Jerusalem and Tel Aviv.
In comparison with a chemical or nuclear device, this weapon is much less complicated: It consists of a functioning brainwashed true believer who has deluded himself into thinking that if he blows himself up and kills as many infidels around him as possible, Allah will bestow the favors of no less than 72 virgins awaiting him in Islamic heaven.
To sweeten the deal, Iraq's Saddam Hussein will grant the surviving families at least $10,000, according to the Israeli press. This is a win-win for the suicide bomber.
Meanwhile, the West will suffer the deaths of innocent civilians, experience economic chaos and expose itself to constant blackmailing.
If the suicide terrorists succeed and bring Israel to its knees, the West is likely to be next in line. The intent and hope of the suicide-bombing industry is to force the infidel Christian in the West to see the light of the real God (Allah) and surrender to demands by any terrorist group. With luck and determination, so they think, the West may even convert to the Islamic faith (Libya's Moammar Kadafi actually brought up this option in the mid-1970s).
There is almost no way to stop determined suicidal maniacs. All they need is a passport and a plane ticket. Simple explosives are readily available at any demolition site or big construction company.
I said "almost" because there is a way to stop this nightmare: The international community must recognize that Israel is the new Spain. The West, along with the United Nations, must understand that the horrifying suicide bombings that are being tested right now in the Middle East can hit any country, sooner or later.
The world community, led by the U.S., should immediately declare that this kind of warfare is as illegitimate as nerve gas or mustard gas. Any organization that supports and sends suicide bombers into action should be held responsible by the world community. It should destroy those groups with fury, once and for all.
If we do not defend our civilization against assassins who are almost at our doors, our children and grandchildren will be at the mercy of certified lunatics.
LET THE FLAMES BEGIN!!!!
Who's more dangerous?
Israel: Has a country and a solid government... it maybe a flawed country, and it may be a flawed government, but they have EVERYTHING to lose.
Palestine: Doesn't have a country but wants one, has a leader that is calling on everyone being a martyr for the sake of the PLO...they have NOTHING to lose...
whose more dangerous? the man who was everything to lose, or the man who has nothing to lose?
<strong>To be an Arab, has everything to do with culture, religion, and ethnicity. But maybe you?re more ignorant then I gave you credit for.
</strong><hr></blockquote>
Ar·ab n
a member of a Semitic Arabic-speaking people who live throughout North Africa and the Middle East
And the jews won it from...?
[quote] Yes. And everything else the Arabs with the help of the British stole from us. This includes considerable parts of what today is Lebanon, Syria, Jordan and Egypt.
Guess who's occupying whose land now? <hr></blockquote>
Well, there we are. Lebensraum. Case closed...
[quote]You'll need to clue me in as to how the Arabs are related to Moses.<hr></blockquote>
I was reffering to Abraham... Sorry if I wasn't clear enough...
[quote]And like I said before - look at the houses. They are not more than 50 years old.
The Turks pretty much emptied that land of inhabitants during their rein when they cut down all the wood in that area. It wasn?t until the Zionist movement began, and as they started to bring back life to the land, that that area became populated again. As more Jews populated that land, more Arabs arrived due to the increased economic viability of the area. The same process is still ongoing today.<hr></blockquote>
Well, someone has been feeding you lies, sorry to tell you. Go watch Lawrence of Arabia.
Here are some number I dug up:
In 1968, Jewish historian Maxime Rodinson wrote that
"the Arab population of Palestine was native in all the usual senses of the word" (Rodinson, M., Israel and the Arabs, Penguin, 1968, p. 216).
Estimated Population of Palestine 1870-1946
Arabs (%) Jews (%) Total
1870 367,224 (98%) 7,000 (2%) 375,000
1893 469,000 (98%) 10,000 (2%) 497,000
1912 525,000 (93%) 40,000 (6%) 565,000
1920 542,000 (90%) 61,000 (10%) 603,000
1925 598,000 (83%) 120,000 (17%) 719,000
1930 763,000 (82%) 165,000 (18%) 928,000
1935 886,000 (71%) 355,000 (29%) 1,241,000
1940 1,014,000 (69%) 463,000 (31%) 1,478,000
1946 1,237,000 (65%) 608,000 (35%) 1,845,000
[quote] Ar·ab n
a member of a Semitic Arabic-speaking people who live throughout North Africa and the Middle East <hr></blockquote>
The arabs are destinct people. If you call a turk or an Iranian an arab, he'll get insulted...
[quote] So what does decide? I still didn't get an answer to that question. A bunch of European imperialist thieves decide? Like the British? As a favor to the Arabs for helping them defeat the Turks? <hr></blockquote>
The UN decieds, Isreal needs to stop ignoring UN resolutions... The have to date ignored more resolutions than Iraq...
[quote] England and France refused to face what Hitler was writing on the Spanish wall, although the Nazi planes were tearing up the blue Iberian skies with cannon fire and Nazi attack tanks had bulldozed Madrid to the ground. Something similar is happening now in Israel, which is serving as the Spanish testing ground for future attacks on Philadelphia, Los Angeles, Washington, London and even Moscow. Should the suicide bomber--the new secret human tool of terror--prove to be a successful, unchallenged weapon, there will be plenty of fanatics ready to take trips to the United States, Britain or France. <hr></blockquote>
You're paranoid. period.
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Actually Lawrence of Arabia IS a fantastic movie - one of the best.
Should the suicide bomber--the new secret human tool of terror--prove to be a successful, unchallenged weapon, there will be plenty of fanatics ready to take trips to the to the United States, Britain or France.
The scary part is that they don't need to take that trip. They are already there.
mika.
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Here are the facts:
In 1968, Jewish historian Maxime Rodinson wrote that
"the Arab population of Palestine was native in all the usual senses of the word" (Rodinson, M., Israel and the Arabs, Penguin, 1968, p. 216).
Estimated Population of Palestine 1870-1946
Arabs (%) Jews (%) Total
1870 367,224 (98%) 7,000 (2%) 375,000
1893 469,000 (98%) 10,000 (2%) 497,000
1912 525,000 (93%) 40,000 (6%) 565,000
1920 542,000 (90%) 61,000 (10%) 603,000
1925 598,000 (83%) 120,000 (17%) 719,000
1930 763,000 (82%) 165,000 (18%) 928,000
1935 886,000 (71%) 355,000 (29%) 1,241,000
1940 1,014,000 (69%) 463,000 (31%) 1,478,000
1946 1,237,000 (65%) 608,000 (35%) 1,845,000
I like how you dress these numbers as "facts" and then write "Estimated Population of Palestine 1870-1946". Your estimated IQ is ? Is that a fact ?
mika.
LOL
This <a href="http://www.washington-report.org/backissues/0795/9507018.htm"; target="_blank">article on Israeli state discrimination</a> I stumbled over gives an interesting read. I can't confirm any of it but its still worth reading.
Against International law, all journalist are now banned from Ramallah...
Why don't you attack my arguments, and not my english...
I always thought it was the guys with the bigger guns.
It is. Only they're quite comfortable right now and so decided the game of musical chairs is now over. Well, at least til the next world war. Should be due any day now.
mika.
<strong>
Why don't you attack my arguments, and not my english...</strong><hr></blockquote>
Actually I did. Think about it again ...
You're using a subjective measure to get at an empirical fact.
mika.
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