Microsoft unveils 'Surface' Windows 8 tablet

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    That's it. I think this thread is done. The official count: 457.


    Thanks for participating!

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    tribalogicaltribalogical Posts: 1,182member

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    Originally Posted by AZREOSpecialist View Post


    Actually this product has a good chance of hurting the iPad and Apple. Apple has done next to nothing to make the iPad a productivity tool for businesses. The iPad is not a replacement for someone who wants to get serious work done, but take it on the road. You still need a laptop for that. The Windows 8 version of Surface, that will run all Windows applications, is definitely an iPad-killer for those who want the form factor of a tablet with all of the software and hardware flexibility to create killer content, do business on the road, have all the familiar PC amenities, etc.


     


    It's time for an iPad "Pro" that will run a full version of OS X.



     


    I still use a first generation iPad. I no longer use my MacBook Pro for anything except applications like Photoshop, Final Cut Pro and Logic Pro… and even those, only when I need to use them "away" from my studio environment, which frankly, isn't often. In the studio, I have a high-powered desktop for that (a necessity to use those tools properly anyway).


     


    In other words, guess what's been gathering a surprising amount of dust lately? I happily leave behind my 5-pound laptop, when 95% of my productivity is handled by an iPad.


     


    You CANNOT SAY with any meaningful credibility that "Apple has done next to nothing to make the iPad a productivity tool for businesses." That is an absolute fallacy. Just keep telling yourself that while every boardroom in the Fortune 50/100/500/1000 keeps filling up with them...


     


    You also say, "The iPad is not a replacement for someone who wants to get serious work done, but take it on the road. You still need a laptop for that." I can speak from direct, daily experience that you are COMPLETELY wrong about that. I generate and markup documents (word processing, spreadsheets, PDFs, images, etc.), share them, collaborate on them… Everything I need to do, while on the road, I can do with my iPad (and my iPhone). I sometimes bring an Apple Bluetooth Keyboard (light, small) in my bag, for the occasions when I'll be doing a lot of typing or document editing, as it is more comfortable and makes it easier to manage the cursor within documents...


     


    I can easily "create killer content" and "do business on the road". and everything I generate is compatible with my OSX machines (and even Windows machines for documents/data), and in fact is already there waiting for me on my OSX machine when I arrive back (thank you iCloud!)… 


     


    I'm not sure what you mean by "all the familiar PC amenities, etc."  I'm not missing anything important...


     


     


    If you need something portable to run OSX, an "iPad Pro" as you call it, buy a MacBook Air. But I can't see why you would need or want that to be converged with iOS. (Since we're talking about two different interface paradigms that serve different purposes… behind those interfaces most of the same stuff goes on… "operating system" stuff… the difference in interface paradigm is there to support the difference in operating paradigm… so, I really don't get your points…)


     


    I certainly don't need one device that does both. Not yet anyway. When the time comes that I can fit all the computing power of my desktop into my handheld, then I expect it'll all converge into "one device everywhere supporting all forms of user input"...


     


    I"ll probably be the first to buy one :)


     


    The Surface sure isn't it. Not yet anyway… (and it has to come out of vapor status first to get started on that road, right?)


     


     


    BY THE WAY… I watched the Surface announcement in its entirety, and you used a couple of almost identical, nuanced marketing phrases in your post here… so I suspect you probably work for someone on that side of the fence, no?

  • Reply 463 of 513

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    Originally Posted by Rogifan View Post





    I'm currently using a 19" monitor at my office desk. Why on earth would I switch to a puny 16:9 display? I just do not see how this will replace a laptop/desktop in the enterprise.


     


     


    If you want to use your screen it is easy. Turn the device upside down, use the flip keyboard on top, connect the HDMI. Can't be simplier than that.

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    tribalogicaltribalogical Posts: 1,182member

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    Originally Posted by KevinN206 View Post


    So it's the Windows XP of Apple then? It gets slower as you install more apps? I thought that isn't supposed to happen with Apple? If you don't think so, google Lumia 800 vs iPhone 4S boot-up time. The Lumia 800 and 710 have the same 1.4GHz single-core.


     


    Lumia 800 about 16 sec


    iPhone 4S about 21 sec


     


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4GPoRjJNcpI



     


    oh my GOD… my iPhone takes 5 seconds longer to "boot up" than a Lumia?? Hell's Bells!! Who KNEW?!??


     


    Well then, I guess have every reason now to dump my iPhone and buy a Nokia Windows Phone IMMEDIATELY!


     


    ::end sarcasm


     


    Perhaps the more important question for me here is…. how often do you need to "boot up" your Lumia 800? Is this something you have to do every day? Each time you use it? Wha…?


     


    Because, if we're talking about "powering up from a completely powered down state", or "a complete restart"…. I will say that I do that with my iPhone maybe once a month, on average? Maybe twice? Maybe…?


     


     


    So are you saying that the 5 or 10 seconds I would save PER MONTH by switching phones is supposed to be something compelling and meaningful to me?


     


    Why are we having this conversation again?

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    tribalogicaltribalogical Posts: 1,182member

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    Originally Posted by KevinN206 View Post


    This is Windows Phone that was rewritten from scratch. Windows Mobile 6.5 and earlier were in fact POS. I haven't restarted my WP7 Lumia 710 for 25 days. It's still going and going.



     


    OK, so if it just keeps "going and going"… why were you "making much" of the phone's comparative "boot up" time?


     


    Listen, just the fact that you KNOW how many "uptime days" you've had between "restarts" is telling…


     


    I stopped having to gum up my brain with that kind of stuff shortly after moving to Apple, since that is no longer a meaningful part of my overall computing/device experience … but now I'm curious.


     


    Let's see… my desktop's current uptime is… 2 and a half months without a reboot? Oh, but it's time to do a software update that will require one… oh well. My iPhone… also about 3 weeks! But I do monthly "battery cycling" (run the battery all the way to zero, or until the phone shuts off, then fully recharge it) to keep it healthy and calibrated. So that's coming due...


     


    If I didn't though… who knows how long it'd be between "restarts"… the occasional misbehaving app might create the need, but, well… 


     


    Why are we having this conversation again?

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    mac'em xmac'em x Posts: 105member

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    Originally Posted by KevinN206 View Post


    Windows 8 tablet,...


    If I am browsing through pictures album, then I'll most likely use my finger.



     


    Yeah, I get it. When I work with MS products, I always end up using a finger, too.

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    mac'em xmac'em x Posts: 105member

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    Originally Posted by NelsonX View Post


    Boy, I have never seen so many Apple shareholders scared in my life!!! Literally scared to death!!! image



     


    Yes. "Literally scared to death." Behold the corpses of Apple shareholders, slumped in front of computers around the world. Each with mouth drawn in a rictus of horror, forever frozen in silent scream.


     


    "Inspector, it's as if they were… literally scared to death!"


    "Yes, Chief, I've seen this thing before. It was back during the Vista beta-testing…"

  • Reply 468 of 513

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    Originally Posted by Mac'em X View Post


     


    Yeah, I get it. When I work with MS products, I always end up using a finger, too.



    i bet that is troublesome, considering most apple users already have a finger stuck up their backside...

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    island hermitisland hermit Posts: 6,217member

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    Originally Posted by screamingfist View Post


    i bet that is troublesome, considering most apple users already have a finger stuck up their backside...



     


    We're friendly that way...

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    gs turngs turn Posts: 30member


    NEWS FLASH !!!


     


    December 2009


    STEVE BALMER introduces the HP Slate Tablet PC that runs Windows Software,


    doing a one up on Apple by beating them to market with a Tablet Computer.


     


    Screen002.jpg


    (Well that didn't work)


     


    NEWS FLASH !!!


     


    June 2012


    STEVE BALMER introduces the Surface Pro Tablet computer that runs Windows Software,


    doing a one up on Apple who has not yet done and OS X tablet because they don't


    think tablets work well with desktop designed software.


     


    They also copied Apple and introduced the Surface RT that only runs on touch screen 


    software to sure up their bet.  They even wore casual cloths in the press conference


    in case that is why the iPad was a success. If you can't beat em copy em.


     


    Screen001.jpg


    (this has got to work because if not we are doomed)

  • Reply 471 of 513
    andysolandysol Posts: 2,506member
    The kickstand is fine, and does what the apple smart cover does currently. And their cover is a full keyboard- pretty freakin cool.... If it works well.

    If only it could run OSX or iOS.... But it can't, so no thanks.
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    storneostorneo Posts: 101member


    who thinks that kickstand will be the fist thing to bend and/or break making the whole tablet a nightmare to deal with? I'm sure someone at Apple had to have thought of that but ruled against it for that very reason.


     


    Also, the camera angle is great if you place the tablet on a desk. What about if it's not on a desk? You'd have to tilt it in a weird direction to line it up with your face while holding it.


     


    No demo, no release dates, no real user interaction (except for it not launching Netflix). I'm curious to see how it work, but right now it's just a concept car!

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    icoco3icoco3 Posts: 1,472member

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    Originally Posted by storneo View Post

    ...No demo, no release dates, no real user interaction (except for it not launching Netflix)....


     


    Better yet, did you notice the video did not appear to actually be playing.  Just a static picture of someone in a car, maybe a little movement in the background just before he turns it away from the camera. (time 14:55)


     


    Quotable Quotes:  "Movies and entertainment look great as well...ooops...excuse me just a second...." (retrieves another Surface) "...Surface works great for entertainment as well."

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    richsadamsrichsadams Posts: 129member


    MS...always fresh, always innovating...


     


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    iqatedoiqatedo Posts: 1,746member

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    Originally Posted by richsadams View Post


    MS...always fresh, always innovating...



    Thank you for pointing to that - nothing like starting the morning off with some humour!

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    macgregormacgregor Posts: 1,434member


    "MS...always fresh, always innovating..."  image


     


    Game, set, match ... years ago.

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    icoco3icoco3 Posts: 1,472member


    For those that moan about dongles for Macs....


     


    "HD Video Out also requires the HD Digital AV Adapter (sold separately)."  from http://www.microsoft.com/surface/en/us/about.aspx

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    I didn't see the entire Surface failure.  Here we go...totally cringe worthy...


     


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    IE, wouldn't work for him, as during the presentation, he kept trying to get the screen to come down and it wouldn't. - He tried loading movies, and the system crashed.  And the best part of it all, I wonder what the name was of that damn Windows Tablet, I think it was said about 150x.  Some nice ideas, nice innovations, but do they work?

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    boredumbboredumb Posts: 1,418member

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    Originally Posted by gotApple View Post


    Now who's copying who?Bill, Steve and Ballmer



     


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    Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post




    Quote:

    Originally Posted by gotApple View Post



    Now who's copying who?




    Microsoft is copying Apple, as well as themselves. Thanks for the picture that confirms that.


    I'm probably not the best tech historian, but, to be more comprehensive, shouldn't this tableau have started with a picture of someone introducing the Newton, four or five years earlier?  


     


    (Unless you feel Newton should only relate to PDA's, not "tablets"...?)

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