Next year when the 4th one is released, it'll be the new iPad. Called iPad. The 3rd iPad should be discounted as the iPad. Available on the Apple Store as the new iPad and iPad. 4th and 3rd, respectively. And then the year after, the same. 5th and 4th, respectively.
When they get to that point, I think it's more likely that they'd use the dates - just as is usually done to differentiate MBA, MBP, iMac, and Mac Pro versions. That is, "iMac late 2011".
I agree - the year is the simplest and most understandable designator for a limited line of products such as the iPhone. The only problem might be that it sounds a bit too Microsoft.
I think you're implying that in editing an original post, the mod would be doing it to change the position of a poster. If I'm wrong on that, let me know.
I guess I missed the part where this thread was called 'debate about Tallest Skill'
Stupid me I thought this thread was about Apple.
Perhaps you boys could take it to another room and leave the rest of us to stay on topic in peace.
With the iPad name they will probably only sell two at the same time..the current generation and the previous generation. So they can get away with the old generation being just "iPad" and going with "The new iPad" for the new generation. With the phones they're selling multiple iterations at a time so it's a little trickier.
My thing about this new phone being called iPhone 6 because of the 6th generation on iOS 6 with the A6 processor (if it ends up an A6 and not an A5X) is what do they do in the future? 3G to 3GS. 4 to 4S. If this 2012 phone is named the 6 and they go to 6S next year (same form factor..faster internals) what happens in 2014? Presumably, that'd be the 8th generation phone on iOS 8 with an A8 processor. Would they call it the iPhone 8?
But you guys are making your own errors. Just because this is the sixth phone doesn't make it the sixth generation. You assume that a new phone, by definition, is a new generation. That doesn't make it true. Apple doesn't have to see it that way, and after all it's their phone.
They can define generation any way they want to, and that makes it right. We're just posters who have feelings about it, but whose feelings don't matter.
This could even be thought of as a forth generation phone.
But marketing doesn't always follow engineering conventions. A company looks to what they think is a defining feature of a product, and can, if they want to, use that as a marker in the name. So Apple called the newer version of the 3G the 3GS. Did they think of it as a new generation? No, they didn't. The "S" stood for speed. So they considered that they speeded up the 3G. Same model phone, faster internals. Some other more minor updates too. But apparently not worthy of an entirely new name.
Same thing with the "4". The "S" stood for Siri, supposedly, and maybe in addition, more speed. But again, clearly the same models.
So saying that this new one is the sixth generation is just the opinion of a few. Apple's naming conventions don't follow your thought, and no reason why they should. People would wonder what happened to the "5". That would be bad marketing.
You seem to be confused; if 3GS isn't a generation, why would iPhone 4 proceed it? Sorry, but Apple is dummying down the product line for those who can't be bothered to count, if iPhone 5 ends up being the name.
Perhaps Apple is keeping it iPhone 5 because there's plenty of past generations still around and to differentiate it 5 would mean certain features from the iOS 6 can't be used with prior iPhones.
5+ years since original iPhone launch maybe. That's the only way it could be positioned for it to make any sense.
Has anyone bothered to notice that Sept. 12 falls on a Wednesday? Traditionally, Apple likes to announce new products on Tuesdays, yes? (No, really!) Discuss.
That could be why they titled that with a 5 below the "year".
Why would the 12 stand for 2012? This is an event teaser. I can't believe this is getting back into the whole iPhone 6 junk again. There's a 5 right in the ad, so either it's an iPhone 5 or it's another day e.g 12th September launch, October 5th shipping but it's looking a lot like the 5 is being used for what's obvious to most people. It doesn't have to be scientific or match hardware or software numbers, it just has to let people know it's the latest model.
If it's just 'the new iPhone' that would be fine but they might not have settled on this design yet.
Has anyone bothered to notice that Sept. 12 falls on a Wednesday? Traditionally, Apple likes to announce new products on Tuesdays, yes? (No, really!) Discuss.
They've done Wednesdays quite a few times in recent years:
Next year when the 4th one is released, it'll be the new iPad. Called iPad. The 3rd iPad should be discounted as the iPad. Available on the Apple Store as the new iPad and iPad. 4th and 3rd, respectively. And then the year after, the same. 5th and 4th, respectively.
Well your opinion is well known here and you may even be correct as they could continue with the strategy they used this year.
I have had enough dealings with retailers to know that some bozo at a Best Buy or Walmart somewhere is going to screw it up. Someone will ask for the "new iPad" and they are going to be sold an "iPad". And I don't completely blame Walmart or Best Buy. I think Apple should make it clear. If you put a big "4" on the box, it is simple to know the associate is handing you the right or wrong iPad. Even if it said on the box "New iPad", that would be something. My opinion and I am not very emotional about. Heck, even if it the box clearly had iPad (4th Generation) on the box, that would be something.
Though I do feel simply incrementing the number will start to seem a bit silly when we get to iPad 13 - so I am certainly open to Apple using a bit of creativity. Maybe come up with a naming system like they use for OS X...except with bacteria so you don't run out - iPad Abiotrophia.
I like the look of iPhone 5 (assuming the mockups are real). But it's nevertheless an evolutionary step from iPhone 4, at least externally. What will the next generation look like? Judging from iMac, Apple may well stick with this minimalist rounded rectangle form factor for a while. It would be interesting to see how Apple can continue to innovate this basic shape (I'd argue they have done so thus far with both iMac and iPhone).
But you guys are making your own errors. Just because this is the sixth phone doesn't make it the sixth generation. You assume that a new phone, by definition, is a new generation. That doesn't make it true. Apple doesn't have to see it that way, and after all it's their phone.
They can define generation any way they want to, and that makes it right. We're just posters who have feelings about it, but whose feelings don't matter.
This could even be thought of as a forth generation phone.
But marketing doesn't always follow engineering conventions. A company looks to what they think is a defining feature of a product, and can, if they want to, use that as a marker in the name. So Apple called the newer version of the 3G the 3GS. Did they think of it as a new generation? No, they didn't. The "S" stood for speed. So they considered that they speeded up the 3G. Same model phone, faster internals. Some other more minor updates too. But apparently not worthy of an entirely new name.
Same thing with the "4". The "S" stood for Siri, supposedly, and maybe in addition, more speed. But again, clearly the same models.
So saying that this new one is the sixth generation is just the opinion of a few. Apple's naming conventions don't follow your thought, and no reason why they should. People would wonder what happened to the "5". That would be bad marketing.
This is just crazy nonsense. It's a new phone, a year later, with a new name, and new event. It's inarguable that each YoY revision is a new generation of the iPhone from the customer's PoV. You talking about "engineering conventions" has absolutely no barring on this argument because you're talking about a phone, a whole device, not a single component or aspect that may or may not change with the same frequency as the new generation device.
BTW, the "5" could mean a reference to the passing of Steve Jobs, (passed away on october 5, 2011). the 5 looks like shadow passing, so as a memorial to him (a stretch, yes... but the shadow is stretched)... so, as to "pile on" to the chiding of "tallest skil" it will be called an iPhone 5... or the New iPhone... the phone will be released october 5, 2012 internationally... (because in north america it will be 10 days after the launch)
it is amazing how right the Late Steve Jobs was...
I guess I missed the part where this thread was called 'debate about Tallest Skill'
Stupid me I thought this thread was about Apple.
Perhaps you boys could take it to another room and leave the rest of us to stay on topic in peace.
the clue is the first page of the forum posts... LOL
It's inarguable that each YoY revision is a new generation of the iPhone from the customer's PoV.
Generally but that wasn't entirely the case with the first two. They have the same main model numbers. The original iPhone and 3G are numbered iPhone1,1 and iPhone1,2. That's why the next one will be iPhone5,1. Again they don't have to match up to the marketing label but this is the 5th generation, 3GS was 2nd, 4 was 3rd, 4S was 4th, this one is 5th. It will likely have an A5X chip and all the devices regardless of model number will start shipping with iOS 6.
"The new iPhone" will probably please everybody but I don't think they will put it on the packaging. The latest iPad was just called iPad on the box, not 'The new iPad' and for obvious reasons. A store can't have two different models with 'The new iPhone/iPad' on the box.
I reckon the box should just say iPhone if it is to be marketed as "The new iPhone" and iPhone 5 in both cases otherwise.
Generally but that wasn't entirely the case with the first two. They have the same main model numbers. The original iPhone and 3G are numbered iPhone1,1 and iPhone1,2.
No they didn't. Apple clearly called th 2nd generation iPhone the iPhone 3G. That is not what the first generation was called.
What you're referring to is the internal name that is referring to the SoC. That is a single component of the entire device that refers to something very specific for the CPU architecture and does not mean the device as a whole isn't the next generation iPhone.
It will likely have an A5X chip...
That seems unlikely to me. The A5X appears to have been named because it's the A5 with 2x (note the X) the GPU cores and RAM specifically to drive the display of the new iPad. I don't see why that is needed for a marginal gain in the number of pixels that is still well below the original iPad's pixels. Even if you consider the die shrink the power draw appears to me to be too high for this for design.
What you're referring to is the internal name that is referring to the SoC. That is a single component of the entire device that refers to something very specific for the CPU architecture and does not mean the device as a whole isn't the next generation iPhone.
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
Next year when the 4th one is released, it'll be the new iPad. Called iPad. The 3rd iPad should be discounted as the iPad. Available on the Apple Store as the new iPad and iPad. 4th and 3rd, respectively. And then the year after, the same. 5th and 4th, respectively.
When they get to that point, I think it's more likely that they'd use the dates - just as is usually done to differentiate MBA, MBP, iMac, and Mac Pro versions. That is, "iMac late 2011".
I agree - the year is the simplest and most understandable designator for a limited line of products such as the iPhone. The only problem might be that it sounds a bit too Microsoft.
Can't wait! I think I will upgrade as soon as it is available.
Based on.
Because I'm not seeing the logic that negates this as the sixth gen iPhone
I guess I missed the part where this thread was called 'debate about Tallest Skill'
Stupid me I thought this thread was about Apple.
Perhaps you boys could take it to another room and leave the rest of us to stay on topic in peace.
With the iPad name they will probably only sell two at the same time..the current generation and the previous generation. So they can get away with the old generation being just "iPad" and going with "The new iPad" for the new generation. With the phones they're selling multiple iterations at a time so it's a little trickier.
My thing about this new phone being called iPhone 6 because of the 6th generation on iOS 6 with the A6 processor (if it ends up an A6 and not an A5X) is what do they do in the future? 3G to 3GS. 4 to 4S. If this 2012 phone is named the 6 and they go to 6S next year (same form factor..faster internals) what happens in 2014? Presumably, that'd be the 8th generation phone on iOS 8 with an A8 processor. Would they call it the iPhone 8?
iPhone - iOS 1 - 1st Generation - ?? Chip - 2007
iPhone 3G - iOS 2 - 2nd Generation - ?? Chip - 2008
iPhone 3GS - iOS 3 - 3rd Generation - ?? Chip - 2009
iPhone 4 - iOS 4 - 4th Generation - A4 Chip - 2010
iPhone 4S - iOS 5 - 5th Generation - A5 Chip - 2011
iPhone 6 - iOS 6 - 6th Generation - A6 Chip - 2012
iPhone 6S - iOS 7 - 7th Generation - A7 Chip - 2013
iPhone 8 - iOS 8 - 8th Generation - A8 Chip - 2014
iPhone 8S - iOS 9 - 9th Generation - A9 Chip - 2015
iPhone 10 - iOS 10 - 10th Generation - A10 Chip - 2016
iPhone 10S - iOS 11 - 11th Generation - A11 Chip - 2017
They'll probably be off identifiers by then but this is fun.
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But you guys are making your own errors. Just because this is the sixth phone doesn't make it the sixth generation. You assume that a new phone, by definition, is a new generation. That doesn't make it true. Apple doesn't have to see it that way, and after all it's their phone.
They can define generation any way they want to, and that makes it right. We're just posters who have feelings about it, but whose feelings don't matter.
This could even be thought of as a forth generation phone.
But marketing doesn't always follow engineering conventions. A company looks to what they think is a defining feature of a product, and can, if they want to, use that as a marker in the name. So Apple called the newer version of the 3G the 3GS. Did they think of it as a new generation? No, they didn't. The "S" stood for speed. So they considered that they speeded up the 3G. Same model phone, faster internals. Some other more minor updates too. But apparently not worthy of an entirely new name.
Same thing with the "4". The "S" stood for Siri, supposedly, and maybe in addition, more speed. But again, clearly the same models.
So saying that this new one is the sixth generation is just the opinion of a few. Apple's naming conventions don't follow your thought, and no reason why they should. People would wonder what happened to the "5". That would be bad marketing.
You seem to be confused; if 3GS isn't a generation, why would iPhone 4 proceed it? Sorry, but Apple is dummying down the product line for those who can't be bothered to count, if iPhone 5 ends up being the name.
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That's just your feeling, and I disagree that this is a sixth generation phone.
I disagree that Obama was elected president.
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Originally Posted by bulldogger
Perhaps Apple is keeping it iPhone 5 because there's plenty of past generations still around and to differentiate it 5 would mean certain features from the iOS 6 can't be used with prior iPhones.
5+ years since original iPhone launch maybe. That's the only way it could be positioned for it to make any sense.
Or not.
Tech can take easily a decade to go from design to release. We might not see Steve's last project for several more years
Why would the 12 stand for 2012? This is an event teaser. I can't believe this is getting back into the whole iPhone 6 junk again. There's a 5 right in the ad, so either it's an iPhone 5 or it's another day e.g 12th September launch, October 5th shipping but it's looking a lot like the 5 is being used for what's obvious to most people. It doesn't have to be scientific or match hardware or software numbers, it just has to let people know it's the latest model.
If it's just 'the new iPhone' that would be fine but they might not have settled on this design yet.
Sure but this is the last one he will have seen through to its final stages of design:
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13924_3-20120919-64/steve-jobs-last-big-project-the-next-iphone/
They've done Wednesdays quite a few times in recent years:
http://www.theverge.com/2012/2/28/2829143/apple-ipad-3-event-march-7th-official
Wednesday is the new Tuesday.
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
Next year when the 4th one is released, it'll be the new iPad. Called iPad. The 3rd iPad should be discounted as the iPad. Available on the Apple Store as the new iPad and iPad. 4th and 3rd, respectively. And then the year after, the same. 5th and 4th, respectively.
Well your opinion is well known here and you may even be correct as they could continue with the strategy they used this year.
I have had enough dealings with retailers to know that some bozo at a Best Buy or Walmart somewhere is going to screw it up. Someone will ask for the "new iPad" and they are going to be sold an "iPad". And I don't completely blame Walmart or Best Buy. I think Apple should make it clear. If you put a big "4" on the box, it is simple to know the associate is handing you the right or wrong iPad. Even if it said on the box "New iPad", that would be something. My opinion and I am not very emotional about. Heck, even if it the box clearly had iPad (4th Generation) on the box, that would be something.
Though I do feel simply incrementing the number will start to seem a bit silly when we get to iPad 13 - so I am certainly open to Apple using a bit of creativity. Maybe come up with a naming system like they use for OS X...except with bacteria so you don't run out - iPad Abiotrophia.
(that last bit was a joke)
I like the look of iPhone 5 (assuming the mockups are real). But it's nevertheless an evolutionary step from iPhone 4, at least externally. What will the next generation look like? Judging from iMac, Apple may well stick with this minimalist rounded rectangle form factor for a while. It would be interesting to see how Apple can continue to innovate this basic shape (I'd argue they have done so thus far with both iMac and iPhone).
This is just crazy nonsense. It's a new phone, a year later, with a new name, and new event. It's inarguable that each YoY revision is a new generation of the iPhone from the customer's PoV. You talking about "engineering conventions" has absolutely no barring on this argument because you're talking about a phone, a whole device, not a single component or aspect that may or may not change with the same frequency as the new generation device.
Why would Apple concieve multiple links to something instead of just one? Because they are good at marketing comes to mind.
so, as to "pile on" to the chiding of "tallest skil" it will be called an iPhone 5... or the New iPhone...
the phone will be released october 5, 2012 internationally... (because in north america it will be 10 days after the launch)
it is amazing how right the Late Steve Jobs was...
the clue is the first page of the forum posts... LOL
Sometimes getting straight to the point is all that's needed - a teaser just has to say what and when and that's what we got.
Generally but that wasn't entirely the case with the first two. They have the same main model numbers. The original iPhone and 3G are numbered iPhone1,1 and iPhone1,2. That's why the next one will be iPhone5,1. Again they don't have to match up to the marketing label but this is the 5th generation, 3GS was 2nd, 4 was 3rd, 4S was 4th, this one is 5th. It will likely have an A5X chip and all the devices regardless of model number will start shipping with iOS 6.
"The new iPhone" will probably please everybody but I don't think they will put it on the packaging. The latest iPad was just called iPad on the box, not 'The new iPad' and for obvious reasons. A store can't have two different models with 'The new iPhone/iPad' on the box.
I reckon the box should just say iPhone if it is to be marketed as "The new iPhone" and iPhone 5 in both cases otherwise.
No they didn't. Apple clearly called th 2nd generation iPhone the iPhone 3G. That is not what the first generation was called.
What you're referring to is the internal name that is referring to the SoC. That is a single component of the entire device that refers to something very specific for the CPU architecture and does not mean the device as a whole isn't the next generation iPhone.
That seems unlikely to me. The A5X appears to have been named because it's the A5 with 2x (note the X) the GPU cores and RAM specifically to drive the display of the new iPad. I don't see why that is needed for a marginal gain in the number of pixels that is still well below the original iPad's pixels. Even if you consider the die shrink the power draw appears to me to be too high for this for design.
It's the model identifier, same with the Macs:
http://support.apple.com/kb/HT4132
It has nothing to do with the CPU architecture.