It's inevitable that Samsung will surpass iPhone sales in the US for good (not just around release). The iPhone is no longer the cool because everyone's moms and dads have them. Also, Justin Long, the artsy guy or coffee baristas with iPhone are also no longer cool.
It's inevitable that Samsung will surpass iPhone sales in the US for good (not just around release). The iPhone is no longer the cool because everyone's moms and dads have them. Also, Justin Long, the artsy guy or coffee baristas with iPhone are also no longer cool.
Interesting. Of course we'll need a second survey to confirm these results. In addition, the top five are all probably within the margin of error for the sample size.
Yes of course keep taking surveys until the iPhone wins then stop.
Besides, it's pretty obvious that people with a bigger screen, especially 5" screens, are going to use the internet far more than someone on an iPhone.
Apart from the rather obvious conclusion that phones with 5" screens form a minimal part of Android market share, cheaper Android phones which range from sub 3" and up screens make up the bulk of Android sales.
Simple. A user might love the iPad and think OSX is the best OS in the world, but not be in love with the IPhone 5. When asked which company they like most they answer Apple, but when asked how satisfied they are with their iPhone 5, the score they give is lower than what owners of other phones report. I might choose, say, Honda, as may favorite auto maker overall even though I don't much care for the Crosstour. (I was going to use BMW as an example, but then I remembered how you feel about that company!)
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[...] More importantly, explain why you believe a company which can't even figure out how to make a web site.
I get your point, but that's a different issue and is not what we were discussing. ! said the mixed outcome was easy, not that the survey itself is valid!
The results of this survey are likely just as suspect as those conducted by companies with really nice sites, since none of them tell us anything about the criteria evaluated, phrasing of the questions, demographics of the sample group, etc.
It's inevitable that Samsung will surpass iPhone sales in the US for good (not just around release). The iPhone is no longer the cool because everyone's moms and dads have them. Also, Justin Long, the artsy guy or coffee baristas with iPhone are also no longer cool.
Samsung has Lebron James, etc....
Samsung has cheap phones, which make up the bulk of their sales, just like Nokia used to have.
CNN reports it will be released at the end of April. 16GB/$199 32GB/$249 64GB/$299
As far as lower web use on Android, do these surveys include data accessed from apps or just browsers? I tend to use apps for accessing data on the web more than I use Safari. I have news apps, movie apps, restaurant apps, you name it. Many times easier to use a specific app than open Safari and search. Like they say there is an app for that. I imagine Android users are the same. I wonder for example if you use the CNN or pulse news app for example would that get counted in the statistics as an iOS or Android device in these surveys for browsing the web.
This survey is totally useless. Its title tried to trash iPhone 5. But the S 3 is not even in the top 5. So it fails to show any comparison between the Android OS and iOS.
Huh? The survey made no claim to be a comparison of Android vs. iOS. It reported the degree of satisfaction users felt with their phones. It turns out that users of four other phones reported being happier with their choice than people who bought iPhone 5s.
Of course, we don't know who or what was asked or how, so it's a pointless report, like pretty much any similar report (including those that reflect more positively on Apple).
Anyway, if you want a comparison of OS satisfaction, you're looking at the wrong report.
So if I buy an iPhone 5 today, how old is the software that comes with it?
The iPhone 5 is not being release as a new phone today. Plus this is a year old update. 4.2 is as they list it an incremental update of 4.0 which was released October 19, 2011. 4.2 is a minor update and does not qualify as a New Version. If you consider this as one then iOS was updated January 28, 2013 to 6.1
Accessibility improvements: triple-tap to magnify the entire screen, pan and zoom with two fingers. Speech output and Gesture Mode navigation for blind users
New clock app with built-in world clock, stop watch and timer
All devices now use the same interface layout, previously adapted from phones on 4.1 for smaller tablets (with centered software buttons, the system bar at the top of the screen, and a home screen with a dock and centered application menu), regardless of screen size
Increased number of extended notifications and Actionable Notifications for more apps, allowing users to respond to certain notifications within the notification bar and without launching the app directly
Apple have had iOS on devices for years when it was top dog, so the total number of iOS devices in the wild, is still much greater than Android. In a few years you'll see the Android percentages much higher than Apple's. Besides, it's pretty obvious that people with a bigger screen, especially 5" screens, are going to use the internet far more than someone on an iPhone. Ease of use and better battery life on Android will also up their take.
If they are selling soooo many more phones and have been for a couple of years now, they should already be higher not lower.
The iPhone 5 is not being release as a new phone today. Plus this is a year old update. 4.2 is as they list it an incremental update of 4.0 which was released<span style="font-family:sans-serif;line-height:19px;"> October </span>
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4.2 is a minor update and does not qualify as a New Version.
I'm not sure what side of the fence you are on with your comment so I'll post a general reply. The Galaxy S IV will ship with 4.2.2 which came out 11-FEB-2013. That's only 30 days ago.
As for only being an incremental update from 4.0 this is where I take issue with Google's odd numbering and naming conventions. 4.0 is API Level 14, 4.0.3 starts API Level 15, 4.1 starts API Level 16, and 4.2, from last November, starts API Level 17. No matter how you slice it this device is not being released with a year old OS.
I guess you factor in the 2nd quarter release which adds 0.5 to 3.5 months to that 30 day prior release cycle but that's still great for an Android device, even a high-end Android device, and with the success of the Galaxy S III I think anyone who wants to buy a large screen Android-based phone with OS updates should look into the Galaxy S IV. I don't see any reason the numbers won't be there to make it advantageous for Samsung to keep this device updated for a year or two after it goes on sale.
Their release document says 4.2.2, which was released last month.
That is not a new OS. It is a minor update, like iOS' update two weeks ago. Android 4.0 is the last major update which was a year an a half ago. A year before iOS 6.
That is not a new OS. It is a minor update, like iOS' update two weeks ago. Android 4.0 is the last major update which was a year an a half ago. A year before iOS 6.
As previously explained your numbering is leading you to false conclusions about the age of the OS.
Also remember the distribution methods involved. Apple releases their version x.0 along with new iPhone but that OS is in a developer beta for 2 to 3 months before being released. Android doesn't have that. That means that x.0 is really the developer beta with x.0.1 and x.0.2 updates coming just a couple weeks to a couple months after it's released.
4.2.2 is an incremental update but it's still the latest OS version for Android, and not unlike how iPads have shipped with Apple continuing to use the iPhone as the demarcation point. Would you not buy a new Mac because Mac OS X Mountain Lion was introduced on 16-FEB-2012? That seems silly to be but your comments seem to be pointing to Samsung holding off until Android 5.0 is released to the world which is really the same as when Apple drops an OS beta on developers for the first time.
I think it's great if Apple feels some competition -- it should stimulate them to achieve more. It would be nice, though, if the American press would cheerlead sometimes for Apple instead of their Korean rival.
Apart from the rather obvious conclusion that phones with 5" screens form a minimal part of Android market share, cheaper Android phones which range from sub 3" and up screens make up the bulk of Android sales.
Which is why there is this disparity.
That's precisely my point. As the number of Android phones with large screens is now already higher than the number of iPhones being sold, we'll see Android gains in internet usage.
Because after Y2K and WMDs people don't fall for scare tactics anymore.
They are just stupid then. One has nothing to do with the other. I guess you say there are no cyber criminals trying to access your banking info. Having a phone that is worse secure than Windows ever was is not good, because most people actually do online banking now when it was rare during the XP days. I try to avoid Google at all cost because I even noticed that if you search for something obscure through them, you will start getting emails about that subject. I don't use Gmail so I find that unsettling that they are tracking me close enough to know my email address to share with their advertisers.
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Originally Posted by bevochan
It's inevitable that Samsung will surpass iPhone sales in the US for good (not just around release). The iPhone is no longer the cool because everyone's moms and dads have them. Also, Justin Long, the artsy guy or coffee baristas with iPhone are also no longer cool.
Samsung has Lebron James, etc....
Also Paul Rudd, Seth Rogan
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Originally Posted by bevochan
It's inevitable that Samsung will surpass iPhone sales in the US for good (not just around release). The iPhone is no longer the cool because everyone's moms and dads have them. Also, Justin Long, the artsy guy or coffee baristas with iPhone are also no longer cool.
Samsung has Lebron James, etc....
Also Seth Rogan and Paul Rudd
Yes of course keep taking surveys until the iPhone wins then stop.
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Originally Posted by Hands Sandon
Besides, it's pretty obvious that people with a bigger screen, especially 5" screens, are going to use the internet far more than someone on an iPhone.
Apart from the rather obvious conclusion that phones with 5" screens form a minimal part of Android market share, cheaper Android phones which range from sub 3" and up screens make up the bulk of Android sales.
Which is why there is this disparity.
Because after Y2K and WMDs people don't fall for scare tactics anymore.
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Originally Posted by jragosta
[...] Please explain how that works.
Simple. A user might love the iPad and think OSX is the best OS in the world, but not be in love with the IPhone 5. When asked which company they like most they answer Apple, but when asked how satisfied they are with their iPhone 5, the score they give is lower than what owners of other phones report. I might choose, say, Honda, as may favorite auto maker overall even though I don't much care for the Crosstour. (I was going to use BMW as an example, but then I remembered how you feel about that company!)
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Originally Posted by jragosta
[...] More importantly, explain why you believe a company which can't even figure out how to make a web site.
I get your point, but that's a different issue and is not what we were discussing. ! said the mixed outcome was easy, not that the survey itself is valid!
The results of this survey are likely just as suspect as those conducted by companies with really nice sites, since none of them tell us anything about the criteria evaluated, phrasing of the questions, demographics of the sample group, etc.
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Originally Posted by bevochan
It's inevitable that Samsung will surpass iPhone sales in the US for good (not just around release). The iPhone is no longer the cool because everyone's moms and dads have them. Also, Justin Long, the artsy guy or coffee baristas with iPhone are also no longer cool.
Samsung has Lebron James, etc....
Samsung has cheap phones, which make up the bulk of their sales, just like Nokia used to have.
CNN reports it will be released at the end of April. 16GB/$199 32GB/$249 64GB/$299
As far as lower web use on Android, do these surveys include data accessed from apps or just browsers? I tend to use apps for accessing data on the web more than I use Safari. I have news apps, movie apps, restaurant apps, you name it. Many times easier to use a specific app than open Safari and search. Like they say there is an app for that. I imagine Android users are the same. I wonder for example if you use the CNN or pulse news app for example would that get counted in the statistics as an iOS or Android device in these surveys for browsing the web.
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Originally Posted by tzeshan
This survey is totally useless. Its title tried to trash iPhone 5. But the S 3 is not even in the top 5. So it fails to show any comparison between the Android OS and iOS.
Huh? The survey made no claim to be a comparison of Android vs. iOS. It reported the degree of satisfaction users felt with their phones. It turns out that users of four other phones reported being happier with their choice than people who bought iPhone 5s.
Of course, we don't know who or what was asked or how, so it's a pointless report, like pretty much any similar report (including those that reflect more positively on Apple).
Anyway, if you want a comparison of OS satisfaction, you're looking at the wrong report.
And this is all sounding oddly familiar to MS Office products... Bloated with tons of features few can find, let alone use.
I just want to see battery tests on this thing... theres more sensors than you can shake a stick at!
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Originally Posted by v5v
So if I buy an iPhone 5 today, how old is the software that comes with it?
The iPhone 5 is not being release as a new phone today. Plus this is a year old update. 4.2 is as they list it an incremental update of 4.0 which was released October 19, 2011. 4.2 is a minor update and does not qualify as a New Version. If you consider this as one then iOS was updated January 28, 2013 to 6.1
This is what 4.2 Added:
"Photo Sphere" panorama photos[96]
Keyboard with gesture typing
Lock screen improvements, including widget support and the ability to swipe directly to camera[97]
Notification power controls ("Quick Settings")
"Daydream" screensavers, showing information when idle or docked
Multiple user accounts (tablets only)
Support for wireless display (Miracast)
Accessibility improvements: triple-tap to magnify the entire screen, pan and zoom with two fingers. Speech output and Gesture Mode navigation for blind users
New clock app with built-in world clock, stop watch and timer
All devices now use the same interface layout, previously adapted from phones on 4.1 for smaller tablets (with centered software buttons, the system bar at the top of the screen, and a home screen with a dock and centered application menu), regardless of screen size
Increased number of extended notifications and Actionable Notifications for more apps, allowing users to respond to certain notifications within the notification bar and without launching the app directly
SELinux
Always-on VPN
Premium SMS confirmation[98][99][100]
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Originally Posted by Hands Sandon
Apple have had iOS on devices for years when it was top dog, so the total number of iOS devices in the wild, is still much greater than Android. In a few years you'll see the Android percentages much higher than Apple's. Besides, it's pretty obvious that people with a bigger screen, especially 5" screens, are going to use the internet far more than someone on an iPhone. Ease of use and better battery life on Android will also up their take.
If they are selling soooo many more phones and have been for a couple of years now, they should already be higher not lower.
I'm not sure what side of the fence you are on with your comment so I'll post a general reply. The Galaxy S IV will ship with 4.2.2 which came out 11-FEB-2013. That's only 30 days ago.
As for only being an incremental update from 4.0 this is where I take issue with Google's odd numbering and naming conventions. 4.0 is API Level 14, 4.0.3 starts API Level 15, 4.1 starts API Level 16, and 4.2, from last November, starts API Level 17. No matter how you slice it this device is not being released with a year old OS.
I guess you factor in the 2nd quarter release which adds 0.5 to 3.5 months to that 30 day prior release cycle but that's still great for an Android device, even a high-end Android device, and with the success of the Galaxy S III I think anyone who wants to buy a large screen Android-based phone with OS updates should look into the Galaxy S IV. I don't see any reason the numbers won't be there to make it advantageous for Samsung to keep this device updated for a year or two after it goes on sale.
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Originally Posted by jfanning
Their release document says 4.2.2, which was released last month.
That is not a new OS. It is a minor update, like iOS' update two weeks ago. Android 4.0 is the last major update which was a year an a half ago. A year before iOS 6.
As previously explained your numbering is leading you to false conclusions about the age of the OS.
Also remember the distribution methods involved. Apple releases their version x.0 along with new iPhone but that OS is in a developer beta for 2 to 3 months before being released. Android doesn't have that. That means that x.0 is really the developer beta with x.0.1 and x.0.2 updates coming just a couple weeks to a couple months after it's released.
4.2.2 is an incremental update but it's still the latest OS version for Android, and not unlike how iPads have shipped with Apple continuing to use the iPhone as the demarcation point. Would you not buy a new Mac because Mac OS X Mountain Lion was introduced on 16-FEB-2012? That seems silly to be but your comments seem to be pointing to Samsung holding off until Android 5.0 is released to the world which is really the same as when Apple drops an OS beta on developers for the first time.
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Originally Posted by dasanman69
The device and the 'stick' have a link that if one gets too far away from the other an alert goes off.
That might get annoying. The other part is if its constantly looking for it like bluetooth streaming, it will kill your battery.
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Originally Posted by dasanman69
Yes of course keep taking surveys until the iPhone wins then stop.
Well that sounds like what they did. Every survey that has come out the iPhone has won by a long shot. Just not this one.
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Originally Posted by hill60
Apart from the rather obvious conclusion that phones with 5" screens form a minimal part of Android market share, cheaper Android phones which range from sub 3" and up screens make up the bulk of Android sales.
Which is why there is this disparity.
That's precisely my point. As the number of Android phones with large screens is now already higher than the number of iPhones being sold, we'll see Android gains in internet usage.
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Originally Posted by dasanman69
Because after Y2K and WMDs people don't fall for scare tactics anymore.
They are just stupid then. One has nothing to do with the other. I guess you say there are no cyber criminals trying to access your banking info. Having a phone that is worse secure than Windows ever was is not good, because most people actually do online banking now when it was rare during the XP days. I try to avoid Google at all cost because I even noticed that if you search for something obscure through them, you will start getting emails about that subject. I don't use Gmail so I find that unsettling that they are tracking me close enough to know my email address to share with their advertisers.