Samsung challenges Apple's iPhone with new Galaxy S4

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  • Reply 121 of 314

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by bevochan View Post


    It's inevitable that Samsung will surpass iPhone sales in the US for good (not just around release).  The iPhone is no longer the cool because everyone's moms and dads have them.  Also, Justin Long, the artsy guy or coffee baristas with iPhone are also no longer cool.  


     


    Samsung has Lebron James, etc....



    Also Paul Rudd, Seth Rogan

  • Reply 122 of 314

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by bevochan View Post


    It's inevitable that Samsung will surpass iPhone sales in the US for good (not just around release).  The iPhone is no longer the cool because everyone's moms and dads have them.  Also, Justin Long, the artsy guy or coffee baristas with iPhone are also no longer cool.  


     


    Samsung has Lebron James, etc....



    Also Seth Rogan and Paul Rudd

  • Reply 123 of 314
    dasanman69dasanman69 Posts: 13,002member
    jungmark wrote: »
    Interesting. Of course we'll need a second survey to confirm these results. In addition, the top five are all probably within the margin of error for the sample size.

    Yes of course keep taking surveys until the iPhone wins then stop.
  • Reply 124 of 314
    hill60hill60 Posts: 6,992member

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    Originally Posted by Hands Sandon View Post


    Besides, it's pretty obvious that people with a bigger screen, especially 5" screens, are going to use the internet far more than someone on an iPhone.



     


    Apart from the rather obvious conclusion that phones with 5" screens form a minimal part of Android market share, cheaper Android phones which range from sub 3" and up screens make up the bulk of Android sales.


     


    Which is why there is this disparity.

  • Reply 125 of 314
    dasanman69dasanman69 Posts: 13,002member
    genovelle wrote: »
    I try to explain this to people but they are mesmerized by cheap or free stuff.

    Because after Y2K and WMDs people don't fall for scare tactics anymore.
  • Reply 126 of 314
    v5vv5v Posts: 1,357member

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    Originally Posted by jragosta View Post



    [...] Please explain how that works.


     


    Simple. A user might love the iPad and think OSX is the best OS in the world, but not be in love with the IPhone 5. When asked which company they like most they answer Apple, but when asked how satisfied they are with their iPhone 5, the score they give is lower than what owners of other phones report. I might choose, say, Honda, as may favorite auto maker overall even though I don't much care for the Crosstour. (I was going to use BMW as an example, but then I remembered how you feel about that company!)


     


     


     




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    Originally Posted by jragosta View Post



    [...] More importantly, explain why you believe a company which can't even figure out how to make a web site.


     


    I get your point, but that's a different issue and is not what we were discussing. ! said the mixed outcome was easy, not that the survey itself is valid! image


     


    The results of this survey are likely just as suspect as those conducted by companies with really nice sites, since none of them tell us anything about the criteria evaluated, phrasing of the questions, demographics of the sample group, etc.

  • Reply 127 of 314
    hill60hill60 Posts: 6,992member

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by bevochan View Post


    It's inevitable that Samsung will surpass iPhone sales in the US for good (not just around release).  The iPhone is no longer the cool because everyone's moms and dads have them.  Also, Justin Long, the artsy guy or coffee baristas with iPhone are also no longer cool.  


     


    Samsung has Lebron James, etc....



     


    Samsung has cheap phones, which make up the bulk of their sales, just like Nokia used to have.

  • Reply 128 of 314
    gwmacgwmac Posts: 1,807member


    CNN reports it will be released at the end of April. 16GB/$199 32GB/$249 64GB/$299 


     


    As far as lower web use on Android, do these surveys include data accessed from apps or just browsers? I tend to use apps for accessing data on the web more than I use Safari. I have news apps, movie apps, restaurant apps, you name it. Many times easier to use a specific app than open Safari and search. Like they say there is an app for that. I imagine Android users are the same. I wonder for example if you use the CNN or pulse news app for example would that get counted in the statistics as an iOS or Android device in these surveys for browsing the web. 


     

  • Reply 129 of 314
    v5vv5v Posts: 1,357member

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    Originally Posted by tzeshan View Post


    This survey is totally useless.  Its title tried to trash iPhone 5.  But the S 3 is not even in the top 5.  So it fails to show any comparison between the Android OS and iOS. 



     


    Huh? The survey made no claim to be a comparison of Android vs. iOS. It reported the degree of satisfaction users felt with their phones. It turns out that users of four other phones reported being happier with their choice than people who bought iPhone 5s.


     


    Of course, we don't know who or what was asked or how, so it's a pointless report, like pretty much any similar report (including those that reflect more positively on Apple).


     


    Anyway, if you want a comparison of OS satisfaction, you're looking at the wrong report.

  • Reply 130 of 314


    And this is all sounding oddly familiar to MS Office products... Bloated with tons of features few can find, let alone use. 


     


    I just want to see battery tests on this thing... theres more sensors than you can shake a stick at!

  • Reply 131 of 314
    genovellegenovelle Posts: 1,481member

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by v5v View Post


     


    So if I buy an iPhone 5 today, how old is the software that comes with it?



    The iPhone 5 is not being release as a new phone today.  Plus this is a year old update. 4.2 is as they list it an incremental update of 4.0 which was released October 19, 2011. 4.2 is a minor update and does not qualify as a New Version.  If you consider this as one then iOS was updated January 28, 2013 to 6.1


    This is what 4.2 Added:



    • "Photo Sphere" panorama photos[96]


    • Keyboard with gesture typing


    • Lock screen improvements, including widget support and the ability to swipe directly to camera[97]


    • Notification power controls ("Quick Settings")


    • "Daydream" screensavers, showing information when idle or docked


    • Multiple user accounts (tablets only)


    • Support for wireless display (Miracast)


    • Accessibility improvements: triple-tap to magnify the entire screen, pan and zoom with two fingers. Speech output and Gesture Mode navigation for blind users


    • New clock app with built-in world clock, stop watch and timer


    • All devices now use the same interface layout, previously adapted from phones on 4.1 for smaller tablets (with centered software buttons, the system bar at the top of the screen, and a home screen with a dock and centered application menu), regardless of screen size


    • Increased number of extended notifications and Actionable Notifications for more apps, allowing users to respond to certain notifications within the notification bar and without launching the app directly


    • SELinux


    • Always-on VPN


    • Premium SMS confirmation[98][99][100]


     


     


     

  • Reply 132 of 314
    genovellegenovelle Posts: 1,481member

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Hands Sandon View Post


    Apple have had iOS on devices for years when it was top dog, so the total number of iOS devices in the wild, is still much greater than Android. In a few years you'll see the Android percentages much higher than Apple's. Besides, it's pretty obvious that people with a bigger screen, especially 5" screens, are going to use the internet far more than someone on an iPhone. Ease of use and better battery life on Android will also up their take.



    If they are selling soooo many more phones and have been for a couple of years now, they should already be higher not lower.

  • Reply 133 of 314
    solipsismxsolipsismx Posts: 19,566member
    genovelle wrote: »
    The iPhone 5 is not being release as a new phone today.  Plus this is a year old update. 4.2 is as they list it an incremental update of 4.0 which was released<span style="font-family:sans-serif;line-height:19px;"> October </span>
    <span style="font-family:sans-serif;line-height:19px;">19, </span>
    <span style="font-family:sans-serif;line-height:19px;">2011. </span>
    4.2 is a minor update and does not qualify as a New Version.

    I'm not sure what side of the fence you are on with your comment so I'll post a general reply. The Galaxy S IV will ship with 4.2.2 which came out 11-FEB-2013. That's only 30 days ago.

    As for only being an incremental update from 4.0 this is where I take issue with Google's odd numbering and naming conventions. 4.0 is API Level 14, 4.0.3 starts API Level 15, 4.1 starts API Level 16, and 4.2, from last November, starts API Level 17. No matter how you slice it this device is not being released with a year old OS.

    I guess you factor in the 2nd quarter release which adds 0.5 to 3.5 months to that 30 day prior release cycle but that's still great for an Android device, even a high-end Android device, and with the success of the Galaxy S III I think anyone who wants to buy a large screen Android-based phone with OS updates should look into the Galaxy S IV. I don't see any reason the numbers won't be there to make it advantageous for Samsung to keep this device updated for a year or two after it goes on sale.
  • Reply 134 of 314
    genovellegenovelle Posts: 1,481member

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jfanning View Post





    Their release document says 4.2.2, which was released last month.


    That is not a new OS.  It is a minor update, like iOS' update two weeks ago.  Android 4.0 is the last major update which was a year an a half ago.  A year before iOS 6.

  • Reply 135 of 314
    solipsismxsolipsismx Posts: 19,566member
    genovelle wrote: »
    That is not a new OS.  It is a minor update, like iOS' update two weeks ago.  Android 4.0 is the last major update which was a year an a half ago.  A year before iOS 6.

    As previously explained your numbering is leading you to false conclusions about the age of the OS.

    Also remember the distribution methods involved. Apple releases their version x.0 along with new iPhone but that OS is in a developer beta for 2 to 3 months before being released. Android doesn't have that. That means that x.0 is really the developer beta with x.0.1 and x.0.2 updates coming just a couple weeks to a couple months after it's released.

    4.2.2 is an incremental update but it's still the latest OS version for Android, and not unlike how iPads have shipped with Apple continuing to use the iPhone as the demarcation point. Would you not buy a new Mac because Mac OS X Mountain Lion was introduced on 16-FEB-2012? That seems silly to be but your comments seem to be pointing to Samsung holding off until Android 5.0 is released to the world which is really the same as when Apple drops an OS beta on developers for the first time.
  • Reply 136 of 314
    normmnormm Posts: 653member
    I think it's great if Apple feels some competition -- it should stimulate them to achieve more. It would be nice, though, if the American press would cheerlead sometimes for Apple instead of their Korean rival.
  • Reply 137 of 314
    genovellegenovelle Posts: 1,481member

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by dasanman69 View Post





    The device and the 'stick' have a link that if one gets too far away from the other an alert goes off.


    That might get annoying. The other part is if its constantly looking for it like bluetooth streaming, it will kill your battery.

  • Reply 138 of 314
    genovellegenovelle Posts: 1,481member

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by dasanman69 View Post





    Yes of course keep taking surveys until the iPhone wins then stop.


    Well that sounds like what they did.  Every survey that has come out the iPhone has won by a long shot.  Just not this one.  

  • Reply 139 of 314
    hands sandonhands sandon Posts: 5,270member

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by hill60 View Post


     


    Apart from the rather obvious conclusion that phones with 5" screens form a minimal part of Android market share, cheaper Android phones which range from sub 3" and up screens make up the bulk of Android sales.


     


    Which is why there is this disparity.



    That's precisely my point. As the number of Android phones with large screens is now already higher than the number of iPhones being sold, we'll see Android gains in internet usage. 

  • Reply 140 of 314
    genovellegenovelle Posts: 1,481member

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by dasanman69 View Post





    Because after Y2K and WMDs people don't fall for scare tactics anymore.


    They are just stupid then. One has nothing to do with the other. I guess you say there are no cyber criminals trying to access your banking info.  Having a phone that is worse secure than Windows ever was is not good, because most  people actually do online banking now when it was rare during the XP days.  I try to avoid Google at all cost because I even noticed that if you search for something obscure through them, you will start getting emails about that subject.  I don't use Gmail so I find that unsettling that they are tracking me close enough to know my email address to share with their advertisers.  

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