I like dogs and I like women. I don't want a female dog.
Some things just don't mix.
OSX isn't ready for touch input yet, but it's evident to me that it's heading that way. The Launchpad is definitely not designed with a mouse in mind. The icons are sized and spaced for finger input. Some trackpad gestures have been implemented on the iPad (or were iPad gestures implemented on the trackpad... can't remember which came first), which implies easy conversion to using those gestures on a touchscreen in OSX. Mavericks made some trackpad gestures follow fingers one-to-one like they would on a touchscreen (the show desktop and Launchpad gestures), and some gestures were already optimized for one-to-one tracking (swiping between desktops or fullscreen apps and opening the notification center). That sort of optimization is unnecessary when the fingers aren't "touching" the image on-screen. A simple swipe to activate a complete animation sequence is just as effective as far as those interactions are concerned. All in all, OSX is being touch optimized one step at a time whether people like it or not.
If people did not want a keyboard to use with their iPads their would no be such a huge range of BT keyboards for the iPad. I personally look forward to the day when I can connect my iPad or iPhone to a dock that connects to a monitor, keyboard, trackpad, hard drive and printer when I am at home or work. This can then be detached and taken with you as a tablet. The iPad is close to being able to do this now, Android tablets are even closer t being able to do this. If Apple make an iPad with the innards of the MacBook Air this will be even closer.
I have Apple BT keyboards that I have occasionally paired with my iPads, when I need to write something long, however, it should remain an option, and I see no reason for Apple to go beyond that.
I don't want any stupid kickstands on my iPads, I don't want a keyboard that snaps into place, I don't want a mouse and I don't want it to look or work like a laptop.
I also use a fork, spoon and knife when I eat dinner. I'd imagine that if I were invited for dinner by a Surface owner, I'd be given a damn spork to eat with.
There's a reason the current iPad was renamed iPad Air, and the current MacBook Airs don't have retina displays. Apple has something cooking. But if Apple comes out with a hybrid device after Tim Cook has been shitting on them for the past two years then I think we'll know its time for Tim to go.
And this alleged hybrid device would be panned as a johnny-come-lately Surface clone... and that would accurate too.
See my post above. It explains the transition in terms even you might understand.
There will be no transition.
The way that some people on this forum are advocating for Apple to emulate and copy a failed concept (like the MS Surface) is laughable.
What a great strategy. Gee, what should Apple do next with it's super successful iPad line? Golly gee, let's borrow features from the least successful device on the market! That ought to be real swell!
If Apple does release a "convertible", it will be good news for people looking to short AAPL.
Let's take a step back and look at this from the perspective of a long-term strategy.
When Apple switched the Mac to Intel it was perceived as a means to remain competitive with WinTel in the megahertz wars and IBM wasn't evolving the PPC fast enough.
That was all true, but I believe there was another overarching goal: [B][I]to subsume the WiinTel business.[/I][/B] They embarked upon that by offering BootCamp, free, on Intel Macs -- so any Intel Mac could run Windows.
Then, the release of the iPad largely killed the NetBooks and is replacing lower-end consumer WinTel offerings.
Now, some 7 1/2 years later it can be said that [in the areas Apple chooses to compete] the "best Windows [WinTel] machines are Macs!
So, today, you could say that Apple is well along in reaching their goal of subsuming the WiinTel business.
What's next?
Consider Apple devices that: [LIST] [*] exploit Apple's superior OSX for the Desktops and Laptops [*] exploit Apple's superior iOS for Tablets and Phones [*] provide the capability to run legacy WinTel apps[B][I] if/when [/I][/B]needed [/LIST]
Hypothetical:
What if Apple could build devices where most of the work CPU/GPU is done on A8/9 chips and a low-cost Intel chip is used to run any WinTel apps needed. The A8/9 chips would provide GPU capabilities for the Intel Chip.
Or
Apple could contract Intel to allow Apple to implement the Intel CISC to RISC translation on Apple A8/9 hardware/software -- obviating the low-cost Intel chip.
Or
Make Intel an offer they can't refuse: Act as a foundry for Apple A8/9 chips, incorporating whatever "WinTel" capability is needed, right on the A8/9 SOC.
The way that some people on this forum are advocating for Apple to emulate and copy a failed concept (like the MS Surface) is laughable.
What a great strategy. Gee, what should Apple do next with it's super successful iPad line? Golly gee, let's borrow features from the least successful device on the market! That ought to be real swell!
If Apple does release a "convertible", it will be good news for people looking to short AAPL.
The Surface is a failed design because they tried to make it too much like an iPad. The kickstand and keyboard/cover are terrible.
ASUS' 2-in-1 transformer design is proven and easy to manage.
See, that’s never happening, so it’s not what we’re talking about.
Buy an iPad. Problem solved.
So you’re not fine with paying $999 but you’re fine with Apple removing that option and pushing an even more expensive one.
I could see Apple releasing an iOS with a keyboard, which would bascially make it a laptop. The problem with simply buying an iPad is that some users really do need a keyboard, and oftentimes third party detached keyboards are not a great option. The education market would eat up these devices if it also came with at least some kind of file management (maybe even file server access) and the ability to easily print.
I would expect a device like I am describing to be much less than a MacBook Air ($600-$700 range) and the current 13" rMBP come down in price to right around $1,000. I am sure Apple would still offer the MacBook Air until this happens.
The way that some people on this forum are advocating for Apple to emulate and copy a failed concept (like the MS Surface) is laughable.
What a great strategy. Gee, what should Apple do next with it's super successful iPad line? Golly gee, let's borrow features from the least successful device on the market! That ought to be real swell!
If Apple does release a "convertible", it will be good news for people looking to short AAPL.
I guess I have more faith in Apple than you do. Apple tends to make complex things become intuitive and obvious.
Beyond that there's a huge difference between what I'm telling you is happening and what Windows did. Windows put the same operating system on all devices. It's a mess. I can't say for sure that Apple will never do that, but that's not what they are doing right now as they optimize OSX for touch input. They aren't merging iOS and OSX, at least not that I can tell.
I could see Apple releasing an iOS with a keyboard, which would bascially make it a laptop. The problem with simply buying an iPad is that some users really do need a keyboard, and oftentimes third party detached keyboards are not a great option. The education market would eat up these devices if it also came with at least some kind of file management (maybe even file server access) and the ability to easily print.
I would expect a device like I am describing to be much less than a MacBook Air ($600-$700 range) and the current 13" rMBP come down in price to right around $1,000. I am sure Apple would still offer the MacBook Air until this happens.
The MBA is Dead Man Walking. We're only a couple of years away from the iPad being as capable as a MBA. In about 2 to 4 years I see Apple's mobile device line-up being iPhones / iPads / rMBP.
I guess I have more faith in Apple than you do. Apple tends to make complex things become intuitive and obvious.
Beyond that there's a huge difference between what I'm telling you is happening and what Windows did. Windows put the same operating system on all devices. It's a mess. I can't say for sure that Apple will never do that, but that's not what they are doing right now as they optimize OSX for touch input. They aren't merging iOS and OSX, at least not that I can tell.
We already have an OSX optimized for touch - it's called iOS.
Spreadsheets are the kind of app that benefits from a larger screen for creation and studying. Just moving a lot of pixels around on the screen needs a more powerful CPU. Using the iPad as a presentation tool is improved with a larger screen.
Don't you feel that spreadsheets are best used on a laptop with a keyboard and mouse instead of the relatively awkward touch interface.
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Both are designed to run a complete desktop experience with performance being the only limiting factor.
Performance is a key factor for a desktop experience.
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I also use a fork, spoon and knife when I eat dinner. I'd imagine that if I were invited for dinner by a Surface owner, I'd be given a damn spork to eat with.
I like your spork analogy, it's bad at being spoon and bad at being a fork.
Do you think that Apple has OSX Mavericks, including pro apps like Final Cut Pro 10.1 running on ARM chips?
Do you think Apple has iOS7, including most iOS7 apps, running on Intel chips?
Do you think OSX Mavericks and iOS7 share a 50%-75% common code base?
Any opportunities here?
I don't know what percentage it is, but iOS 7 & OSX Mavericks do share a lot of the same code base. The only difference is, is that OSX is optimized for keyboard / mouse use and iOS is optimized for multitouch.
Apple is laser focused on using their own custom processors so I wouldn't be surprised of they had a version of OSX running on ARM-based processors but not iOS running on Intel processors.
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I like dogs and I like women. I don't want a female dog.
Some things just don't mix.
OSX isn't ready for touch input yet, but it's evident to me that it's heading that way. The Launchpad is definitely not designed with a mouse in mind. The icons are sized and spaced for finger input. Some trackpad gestures have been implemented on the iPad (or were iPad gestures implemented on the trackpad... can't remember which came first), which implies easy conversion to using those gestures on a touchscreen in OSX. Mavericks made some trackpad gestures follow fingers one-to-one like they would on a touchscreen (the show desktop and Launchpad gestures), and some gestures were already optimized for one-to-one tracking (swiping between desktops or fullscreen apps and opening the notification center). That sort of optimization is unnecessary when the fingers aren't "touching" the image on-screen. A simple swipe to activate a complete animation sequence is just as effective as far as those interactions are concerned. All in all, OSX is being touch optimized one step at a time whether people like it or not.
If people did not want a keyboard to use with their iPads their would no be such a huge range of BT keyboards for the iPad. I personally look forward to the day when I can connect my iPad or iPhone to a dock that connects to a monitor, keyboard, trackpad, hard drive and printer when I am at home or work. This can then be detached and taken with you as a tablet. The iPad is close to being able to do this now, Android tablets are even closer t being able to do this. If Apple make an iPad with the innards of the MacBook Air this will be even closer.
I have Apple BT keyboards that I have occasionally paired with my iPads, when I need to write something long, however, it should remain an option, and I see no reason for Apple to go beyond that.
I don't want any stupid kickstands on my iPads, I don't want a keyboard that snaps into place, I don't want a mouse and I don't want it to look or work like a laptop.
I also use a fork, spoon and knife when I eat dinner. I'd imagine that if I were invited for dinner by a Surface owner, I'd be given a damn spork to eat with.
If Apple make an iPad with the innards of the MacBook Air this will be even closer.
Remember one thing. Those Intel chips that people mention use damn fans.
There will never be a single fan in any iPad that I ever buy. That is a massive fail.
Remember one thing. Those Intel chips that people mention use damn fans.
There will never be a single fan in any iPad that I ever buy. That is a massive fail.
Bay Trail and Haswell Y series do not use a fan.
Cherry Trail/Willow Trail and Broadwell Y series will not use a fan.
I like fish and also strawberry but do I mix them ? NO !
Bay Trail and Haswell Y series do not use a fan.
Cherry Trail/Willow Trail and Broadwell Y series will not use a fan.
Ok, I'm not up to date on all of the newer Intel chips and the ones that have yet to be released.
He did mention the Macbook Air though, and that uses a fan last I saw.
Maybe that is what I want, but would prefer one that used iOS or OSX and with Apple's build quality.
Why? It would be a worthless clunky piece of garbage like every other Desktop OS shoehorned into a touch device.
OS X is made for Keyboard and Mouse.
iOS is made for touch.
What is it that stupid people don't understand about this ultra-basic and simple concept?
See my post above. It explains the transition in terms even you might understand.
There's a reason the current iPad was renamed iPad Air, and the current MacBook Airs don't have retina displays. Apple has something cooking. But if Apple comes out with a hybrid device after Tim Cook has been shitting on them for the past two years then I think we'll know its time for Tim to go.
And this alleged hybrid device would be panned as a johnny-come-lately Surface clone... and that would accurate too.
See my post above. It explains the transition in terms even you might understand.
There will be no transition.
The way that some people on this forum are advocating for Apple to emulate and copy a failed concept (like the MS Surface) is laughable.
What a great strategy. Gee, what should Apple do next with it's super successful iPad line? Golly gee, let's borrow features from the least successful device on the market! That ought to be real swell!
If Apple does release a "convertible", it will be good news for people looking to short AAPL.
When Apple switched the Mac to Intel it was perceived as a means to remain competitive with WinTel in the megahertz wars and IBM wasn't evolving the PPC fast enough.
That was all true, but I believe there was another overarching goal: [B][I]to subsume the WiinTel business.[/I][/B] They embarked upon that by offering BootCamp, free, on Intel Macs -- so any Intel Mac could run Windows.
Then, the release of the iPad largely killed the NetBooks and is replacing lower-end consumer WinTel offerings.
Now, some 7 1/2 years later it can be said that [in the areas Apple chooses to compete] the "best Windows
[WinTel] machines are Macs!
So, today, you could say that Apple is well along in reaching their goal of subsuming the WiinTel business.
What's next?
Consider Apple devices that:
[LIST]
[*] exploit Apple's superior OSX for the Desktops and Laptops
[*] exploit Apple's superior iOS for Tablets and Phones
[*] provide the capability to run legacy WinTel apps[B][I] if/when [/I][/B]needed
[/LIST]
Hypothetical:
What if Apple could build devices where most of the work CPU/GPU is done on A8/9 chips and a low-cost Intel chip is used to run any WinTel apps needed. The A8/9 chips would provide GPU capabilities for the Intel Chip.
Or
Apple could contract Intel to allow Apple to implement the Intel CISC to RISC translation on Apple A8/9 hardware/software -- obviating the low-cost Intel chip.
Or
Make Intel an offer they can't refuse: Act as a foundry for Apple A8/9 chips, incorporating whatever "WinTel" capability is needed, right on the A8/9 SOC.
There will be no transition.
The way that some people on this forum are advocating for Apple to emulate and copy a failed concept (like the MS Surface) is laughable.
What a great strategy. Gee, what should Apple do next with it's super successful iPad line? Golly gee, let's borrow features from the least successful device on the market! That ought to be real swell!
If Apple does release a "convertible", it will be good news for people looking to short AAPL.
The Surface is a failed design because they tried to make it too much like an iPad. The kickstand and keyboard/cover are terrible.
ASUS' 2-in-1 transformer design is proven and easy to manage.
See, that’s never happening, so it’s not what we’re talking about.
Buy an iPad. Problem solved.
So you’re not fine with paying $999 but you’re fine with Apple removing that option and pushing an even more expensive one.
I could see Apple releasing an iOS with a keyboard, which would bascially make it a laptop. The problem with simply buying an iPad is that some users really do need a keyboard, and oftentimes third party detached keyboards are not a great option. The education market would eat up these devices if it also came with at least some kind of file management (maybe even file server access) and the ability to easily print.
I would expect a device like I am describing to be much less than a MacBook Air ($600-$700 range) and the current 13" rMBP come down in price to right around $1,000. I am sure Apple would still offer the MacBook Air until this happens.
There will be no transition.
The way that some people on this forum are advocating for Apple to emulate and copy a failed concept (like the MS Surface) is laughable.
What a great strategy. Gee, what should Apple do next with it's super successful iPad line? Golly gee, let's borrow features from the least successful device on the market! That ought to be real swell!
If Apple does release a "convertible", it will be good news for people looking to short AAPL.
I guess I have more faith in Apple than you do. Apple tends to make complex things become intuitive and obvious.
Beyond that there's a huge difference between what I'm telling you is happening and what Windows did. Windows put the same operating system on all devices. It's a mess. I can't say for sure that Apple will never do that, but that's not what they are doing right now as they optimize OSX for touch input. They aren't merging iOS and OSX, at least not that I can tell.
I see this replacing the MacBook Air lineup. And good riddance...what a worthless netbook.
The MacBook Air is not a netbook.
Do you think Apple has iOS7, including most iOS7 apps, running on Intel chips?
Do you think OSX Mavericks and iOS7 share a 50%-75% common code base?
Any opportunities here?
I could see Apple releasing an iOS with a keyboard, which would bascially make it a laptop. The problem with simply buying an iPad is that some users really do need a keyboard, and oftentimes third party detached keyboards are not a great option. The education market would eat up these devices if it also came with at least some kind of file management (maybe even file server access) and the ability to easily print.
I would expect a device like I am describing to be much less than a MacBook Air ($600-$700 range) and the current 13" rMBP come down in price to right around $1,000. I am sure Apple would still offer the MacBook Air until this happens.
The MBA is Dead Man Walking. We're only a couple of years away from the iPad being as capable as a MBA. In about 2 to 4 years I see Apple's mobile device line-up being iPhones / iPads / rMBP.
I guess I have more faith in Apple than you do. Apple tends to make complex things become intuitive and obvious.
Beyond that there's a huge difference between what I'm telling you is happening and what Windows did. Windows put the same operating system on all devices. It's a mess. I can't say for sure that Apple will never do that, but that's not what they are doing right now as they optimize OSX for touch input. They aren't merging iOS and OSX, at least not that I can tell.
We already have an OSX optimized for touch - it's called iOS.
Spreadsheets are the kind of app that benefits from a larger screen for creation and studying. Just moving a lot of pixels around on the screen needs a more powerful CPU. Using the iPad as a presentation tool is improved with a larger screen.
Don't you feel that spreadsheets are best used on a laptop with a keyboard and mouse instead of the relatively awkward touch interface.
Both are designed to run a complete desktop experience with performance being the only limiting factor.
Performance is a key factor for a desktop experience.
I also use a fork, spoon and knife when I eat dinner. I'd imagine that if I were invited for dinner by a Surface owner, I'd be given a damn spork to eat with.
I like your spork analogy, it's bad at being spoon and bad at being a fork.
Do you think that Apple has OSX Mavericks, including pro apps like Final Cut Pro 10.1 running on ARM chips?
Do you think Apple has iOS7, including most iOS7 apps, running on Intel chips?
Do you think OSX Mavericks and iOS7 share a 50%-75% common code base?
Any opportunities here?
I don't know what percentage it is, but iOS 7 & OSX Mavericks do share a lot of the same code base. The only difference is, is that OSX is optimized for keyboard / mouse use and iOS is optimized for multitouch.
Apple is laser focused on using their own custom processors so I wouldn't be surprised of they had a version of OSX running on ARM-based processors but not iOS running on Intel processors.