I love my iPhone 6, but if I had an option to get a smaller 4" version I'd switch immediately.
Then your reason to buy iPhone 6 was NFC/Apple Pay then. Oh...there's no Apple Pay in UK yet, so what then? Same screen resolution, a little thinner than 5S which you (and most people) don't care, a little faster (20%, you can't tell the difference with normal usage)....I guess it's just the form factor then...oh, no...people said the form looked ugly too with these antenna bands....so WHAT is your reason to pay extra $100 over 5S to get 6?
It's thinner, the display is closer to the edge, it's lighter, the curved casing and glass increase the usability over what would have been possibly years earlier with that size display.
Hey, I'll agree with all that too. The 6 is still not smaller in the hand than the iPhones that came before.
If I sell 50 million phones and 25% want the 6 Plus that means 12.5 million people wanted that size. It's nothing to feel vindicated at or otherwise. It's sales.
I think that the whole huge sized phone trend these past years has been driven by dirt poor people who are looking to save some pesos by getting some sort of tablet and phone in one device, aka those damn phablets!
When a phone becomes so big that you can't really carry it around comfortably in your regular pockets, then it's too damn big! If you need to put your phone in a bag or backpack, then it's no longer a damn phone!
I still think that a small sized iPhone and a large sized iPad is a way better combo than any phablet.
I wouldn't mind if Apple came out with an iPhone Mini next year!
Then since you've had to adjust the way you hold it and compromise at least somewhat for one-handed use it's not really smaller than the old 3.5 and 4" iPhones.
Naturally, but it doesn't cause me hand pain nor did it take serious mental gymnastics to use it naturally. I still hold it one handed, but I tend to flex my hand slightly if I need to hit that upper left corner. That's it. But again, the thinness matters.
Hey, I'll agree with all that too. The 6 is still not smaller in the hand than the iPhones that came before.
Why are you counting the chin and forehead as relevant issues for the usability the iPhone 6? Why does it matter that the chin and forehead has a larger footprint than in all previous iPhones? It's not a part that gets used. In fact, the Home Button now slightly farther away from my thumb's pivot point adds to the overall usability. That elongated Home Button on the Galaxy series is actually a feature I like because it allows for a shorter bend in my thumb to tap.
Why are you counting the chin and forehead as relevant issues for the usability the iPhone 6? Why does it matter that the chin and forehead has a larger footprint than in all previous iPhones? It's not a part that gets used. In fact, the Home Button now slightly farther away from my thumb's pivot point adds to the overall usability. That elongated Home Button on the Galaxy series is actually a feature I like because it allows for a shorter bend in my thumb to tap.
Soli, where did I mention the chin and forehead? Further what matter was it that the original iPhone was thicker? When the 3's were small enough to cup in your hand that thickness was of no consequence whatsoever. You could hold it naturally, grip it securely and reach every corner of it with your thumb. Did you forget the commercials so quickly? Now that you have to open your hand much more, flatten your palm out more to comfortably hold it (some prop a finger under them now to better secure it) thickness does matter. The new iPhone's are simply larger and require some adjustments to old reachability habits in actual use.
Anyone who has has at the same time held both an older iPhone and one of the new one in each hand would admit as much if they're honest.
Then your reason to buy iPhone 6 was NFC/Apple Pay then. Oh...there's no Apple Pay in UK yet, so what then? Same screen resolution, a little thinner than 5S which you (and most people) don't care, a little faster (20%, you can't tell the difference with normal usage)....I guess it's just the form factor then...oh, no...people said the form looked ugly too with these antenna bands....so WHAT is your reason to pay extra $100 over 5S to get 6?
Speaking for myself, I made the jump from an iPhone 4S to a 6. My reasons for getting a 6 instead of a 5S :
- Not much more expensive, $100 is nothing compared to the real cost hidden in the 2 years contract, which would be the same for a 5S.
- Better camera than the 5S, very fast auto-focus. 240 FPS slowmo.
- NFC. Not in Canada right now but I look forward to getting it. I love paying with NFC.
- I LOVE the design/form factor, antenna bands and all, and loved it even since the first leaks and even more when the curved screen was revealed. Not sure why you're trying to impose the opinion of others that found it ugly to make your point.
- Better screen, wider view angles and better colors.
- Bigger screen (with more resolution, contrary to what you stated) for which I was somewhat convinced by many posters here and elsewhere that it wouldn't impair one handed use.
But the reality is I find myself constantly struggling to readjust my hand position when using it with one hand, feeling I might drop it when doing so. And Reachability is clunky. I could firmly hold my 4S and reach the whole screen without having to do hand gymnastics.
I bought the 6 willfully knowing that I may have a lesser experience using it one handed so I'm not "complaining". It is nice to have a bigger screen area and resolution, but one handed use is worse than I hoped. So like this person you were replying to, I would consider switching back to a 4" version (but I'd wait for the iPhone 7).
If you read the article, you will see that iPhone 6 Plus's sale is likely constrained by supply. On T-Mobile, for instance, the ratio of phone preorder has been roughly 55% for iPhone 6 and 45% for iPhone 6 Plus. But actual supply has been much more lopsided to 6 at about 85%.
Furthermore, I am not sure if it's fair to say 6 Plus has been a flop. Even with a supply constrained, it is commanding 23% of the entire iPhone orders (vs. 68% for 6 Plus), or about 25% of the new iPhone models.
Anyway, I have iPhone 6 and my wife has iPhone 6 Plus. While 6 Plus is definitely unwieldy at times, if you have the means to carry it with you, it can be very nice to have a big screen with long battery life. And while both 6 and 6 Plus can be hard to use one handed, I suspect iOS 9 will bring more UI refinements (home screen definitely needs more tweak in this regard).
I think that the whole huge sized phone trend these past years has been driven by dirt poor people who are looking to save some pesos by getting some sort of tablet and phone in one device, aka those damn phablets!
When a phone becomes so big that you can't really carry it around comfortably in your regular pockets, then it's too damn big! If you need to put your phone in a bag or backpack, then it's no longer a damn phone!
I still think that a small sized iPhone and a large sized iPad is a way better combo than any phablet.
I wouldn't mind if Apple came out with an iPhone Mini next year!
Really? Half the population are females. My wife carries a handbag where she goes, and unlike me, she wants the largest one because that is where she keeps her current phone. But I guess that is because her individual taxable income is fairly low!
Apparently not, assuming Apple knows their business, tho at that moment in time he may have had a point. You didn't see them introduce a new iPhone this year with anything smaller than a 4.7" display. Looks like they're reading consumers as wanting something with a with a much larger display, and willing to buy a phone both taller and wider than Apple has ever offered to get it.
I would like to see some real data that demonstrates a migration by customers for this reason--or with this as a primary reason. All we ever really get are a bunch of loudmouths screaming about how they could never use anything so small as an iPhone 5 again, and loudmouths on the other side that would could never use anything larger than an iPhone 5. The real question is: before iPhone 6, how many normal customers were searching for different phoneswith size being low in priority, and how many normal customers were searching for bigger phones with brand being low in priority?
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Thinness makes a difference, things become more reachable. I really haven't noticed a serious compromise in one-handed use with the 6, and I rarely use Reachability. I just changed the way I held the phone slightly. If you had a 4.7" phone that was as thick as the original iPhone, it'd be a serious brick and hard to use.
I think the radius-ed edges are just as important as the thinness. It makes a big difference in my pocket and in my hand.
Is anybody really surprised by this??? While a certain segment may desire the larger screen, I 'm sure the vast majority of people would rather have a phone they can hold, use with one hand frequently and actually fit in their pockets.
Really? Half the population are females. My wife carries a handbag where she goes, and unlike me, she wants the largest one because that is where she keeps her current phone. But I guess that is because her individual taxable income is fairly low!
This has always been something the majority of tech commenters (who are predominately male) miss, the fact that phablets have been very popular among women simply because they're not pocketing them, they're tossing them in a handbag.
These reports, while they may be accurate as far as numbers go, cannot be accurate in regards to the 6 , as constrained supply automatically skews the numbers for at least some people who go shopping for a 6 , but choose the 6 because it's the only available option.
I'm guessing a similar thing may be occurring with regard to storage capacity. I know I wanted a 6 64gb, but took the 128gb, because that it what they had.
Do you own one? What's your personal experience with it?
Yes, I've actually held the new 6 in my hand. In fact I held the 6 in one hand and the Moto X in the other. While one is supposedly thicker than the other guess which one felt smaller? It wasn't the 6. With that said I personally think the advantages of a larger display outweigh reachability issues. If I were buying an iPhone today it would be the 6.
Are you talking about me? Yep, I returned my first Gold iPhone 6+ because it's too big and I almost dropped a few times. Then I went back to my 5S and I couldn't stand its size...felt like a midget's phone, so I again ordered a space grey 6+ and never look back.
Soli, where did I mention the chin and forehead? Further what matter was it that the original iPhone was thicker? When the 3's were small enough to cup in your hand that thickness was of no consequence whatsoever. You could hold it naturally, grip it securely and reach every corner of it with your thumb. Did you forget the commercials so quickly? Now that you have to open your hand much more, flatten your palm out more to comfortably hold it (some prop a finger under them now to better secure it) thickness does matter. The new iPhone's are simply larger and require some adjustments to old reachability habits in actual use.
Anyone who has has at the same time held both an older iPhone and one of the new one in each hand would admit as much if they're honest.
1) If you mention footprint you then refer to all aspects that make up the footprint.
2) This isn't Flatland so we need to consider how all points on 3-dimensional object interact with every other point on a 3-dimensional object, right?
For example, the iPhone 4 made an improvement in usability because of its thinness over the 3GS, but the flat sides, in and of themselves, moved backwards in ergonomics. If they had done that with the 3GS thickness the overall usability would have been reduced.
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I love my iPhone 6, but if I had an option to get a smaller 4" version I'd switch immediately.
Then your reason to buy iPhone 6 was NFC/Apple Pay then. Oh...there's no Apple Pay in UK yet, so what then? Same screen resolution, a little thinner than 5S which you (and most people) don't care, a little faster (20%, you can't tell the difference with normal usage)....I guess it's just the form factor then...oh, no...people said the form looked ugly too with these antenna bands....so WHAT is your reason to pay extra $100 over 5S to get 6?
I think that the whole huge sized phone trend these past years has been driven by dirt poor people who are looking to save some pesos by getting some sort of tablet and phone in one device, aka those damn phablets!
When a phone becomes so big that you can't really carry it around comfortably in your regular pockets, then it's too damn big! If you need to put your phone in a bag or backpack, then it's no longer a damn phone!
I still think that a small sized iPhone and a large sized iPad is a way better combo than any phablet.
I wouldn't mind if Apple came out with an iPhone Mini next year!
Then since you've had to adjust the way you hold it and compromise at least somewhat for one-handed use it's not really smaller than the old 3.5 and 4" iPhones.
Naturally, but it doesn't cause me hand pain nor did it take serious mental gymnastics to use it naturally. I still hold it one handed, but I tend to flex my hand slightly if I need to hit that upper left corner. That's it. But again, the thinness matters.
Why are you counting the chin and forehead as relevant issues for the usability the iPhone 6? Why does it matter that the chin and forehead has a larger footprint than in all previous iPhones? It's not a part that gets used. In fact, the Home Button now slightly farther away from my thumb's pivot point adds to the overall usability. That elongated Home Button on the Galaxy series is actually a feature I like because it allows for a shorter bend in my thumb to tap.
Soli, where did I mention the chin and forehead? Further what matter was it that the original iPhone was thicker? When the 3's were small enough to cup in your hand that thickness was of no consequence whatsoever. You could hold it naturally, grip it securely and reach every corner of it with your thumb. Did you forget the commercials so quickly? Now that you have to open your hand much more, flatten your palm out more to comfortably hold it (some prop a finger under them now to better secure it) thickness does matter. The new iPhone's are simply larger and require some adjustments to old reachability habits in actual use.
Anyone who has has at the same time held both an older iPhone and one of the new one in each hand would admit as much if they're honest.
Then your reason to buy iPhone 6 was NFC/Apple Pay then. Oh...there's no Apple Pay in UK yet, so what then? Same screen resolution, a little thinner than 5S which you (and most people) don't care, a little faster (20%, you can't tell the difference with normal usage)....I guess it's just the form factor then...oh, no...people said the form looked ugly too with these antenna bands....so WHAT is your reason to pay extra $100 over 5S to get 6?
Speaking for myself, I made the jump from an iPhone 4S to a 6. My reasons for getting a 6 instead of a 5S :
- Not much more expensive, $100 is nothing compared to the real cost hidden in the 2 years contract, which would be the same for a 5S.
- Better camera than the 5S, very fast auto-focus. 240 FPS slowmo.
- NFC. Not in Canada right now but I look forward to getting it. I love paying with NFC.
- I LOVE the design/form factor, antenna bands and all, and loved it even since the first leaks and even more when the curved screen was revealed. Not sure why you're trying to impose the opinion of others that found it ugly to make your point.
- Better screen, wider view angles and better colors.
- Bigger screen (with more resolution, contrary to what you stated) for which I was somewhat convinced by many posters here and elsewhere that it wouldn't impair one handed use.
But the reality is I find myself constantly struggling to readjust my hand position when using it with one hand, feeling I might drop it when doing so. And Reachability is clunky. I could firmly hold my 4S and reach the whole screen without having to do hand gymnastics.
I bought the 6 willfully knowing that I may have a lesser experience using it one handed so I'm not "complaining". It is nice to have a bigger screen area and resolution, but one handed use is worse than I hoped. So like this person you were replying to, I would consider switching back to a 4" version (but I'd wait for the iPhone 7).
What a surprise: the iP6+ is a flop.
If you read the article, you will see that iPhone 6 Plus's sale is likely constrained by supply. On T-Mobile, for instance, the ratio of phone preorder has been roughly 55% for iPhone 6 and 45% for iPhone 6 Plus. But actual supply has been much more lopsided to 6 at about 85%.
Furthermore, I am not sure if it's fair to say 6 Plus has been a flop. Even with a supply constrained, it is commanding 23% of the entire iPhone orders (vs. 68% for 6 Plus), or about 25% of the new iPhone models.
Anyway, I have iPhone 6 and my wife has iPhone 6 Plus. While 6 Plus is definitely unwieldy at times, if you have the means to carry it with you, it can be very nice to have a big screen with long battery life. And while both 6 and 6 Plus can be hard to use one handed, I suspect iOS 9 will bring more UI refinements (home screen definitely needs more tweak in this regard).
The 6 is still not smaller in the hand than the iPhones that came before.
Do you own one? What's your personal experience with it?
I think that the whole huge sized phone trend these past years has been driven by dirt poor people who are looking to save some pesos by getting some sort of tablet and phone in one device, aka those damn phablets!
When a phone becomes so big that you can't really carry it around comfortably in your regular pockets, then it's too damn big! If you need to put your phone in a bag or backpack, then it's no longer a damn phone!
I still think that a small sized iPhone and a large sized iPad is a way better combo than any phablet.
I wouldn't mind if Apple came out with an iPhone Mini next year!
Really? Half the population are females. My wife carries a handbag where she goes, and unlike me, she wants the largest one because that is where she keeps her current phone. But I guess that is because her individual taxable income is fairly low!
Apparently not, assuming Apple knows their business, tho at that moment in time he may have had a point. You didn't see them introduce a new iPhone this year with anything smaller than a 4.7" display. Looks like they're reading consumers as wanting something with a with a much larger display, and willing to buy a phone both taller and wider than Apple has ever offered to get it.
I would like to see some real data that demonstrates a migration by customers for this reason--or with this as a primary reason. All we ever really get are a bunch of loudmouths screaming about how they could never use anything so small as an iPhone 5 again, and loudmouths on the other side that would could never use anything larger than an iPhone 5. The real question is: before iPhone 6, how many normal customers were searching for different phones with size being low in priority, and how many normal customers were searching for bigger phones with brand being low in priority?
Thinness makes a difference, things become more reachable. I really haven't noticed a serious compromise in one-handed use with the 6, and I rarely use Reachability. I just changed the way I held the phone slightly. If you had a 4.7" phone that was as thick as the original iPhone, it'd be a serious brick and hard to use.
I think the radius-ed edges are just as important as the thinness. It makes a big difference in my pocket and in my hand.
Is anybody really surprised by this??? While a certain segment may desire the larger screen, I 'm sure the vast majority of people would rather have a phone they can hold, use with one hand frequently and actually fit in their pockets.
Really? Half the population are females. My wife carries a handbag where she goes, and unlike me, she wants the largest one because that is where she keeps her current phone. But I guess that is because her individual taxable income is fairly low!
This has always been something the majority of tech commenters (who are predominately male) miss, the fact that phablets have been very popular among women simply because they're not pocketing them, they're tossing them in a handbag.
I'm guessing a similar thing may be occurring with regard to storage capacity. I know I wanted a 6 64gb, but took the 128gb, because that it what they had.
Yes, I've actually held the new 6 in my hand. In fact I held the 6 in one hand and the Moto X in the other. While one is supposedly thicker than the other guess which one felt smaller? It wasn't the 6. With that said I personally think the advantages of a larger display outweigh reachability issues. If I were buying an iPhone today it would be the 6.
Are you talking about me? Yep, I returned my first Gold iPhone 6+ because it's too big and I almost dropped a few times. Then I went back to my 5S and I couldn't stand its size...felt like a midget's phone, so I again ordered a space grey 6+ and never look back.
I think you missed the moral of "Goldilocks."
1) If you mention footprint you then refer to all aspects that make up the footprint.
2) This isn't Flatland so we need to consider how all points on 3-dimensional object interact with every other point on a 3-dimensional object, right?
For example, the iPhone 4 made an improvement in usability because of its thinness over the 3GS, but the flat sides, in and of themselves, moved backwards in ergonomics. If they had done that with the 3GS thickness the overall usability would have been reduced.