The fact is every smartphone is a GPS tracking device that you carry personally. It also collects a lot of data about you. This is why the Supreme Court made it necessary to get a warrant so search your phone.
So if you want privacy you have to use simple burner phones.
I find the pic posted with the tech CEOs and Obama troubling.
That picture was from a well known and open meeting between Obama and tech CEOs about how to bring jobs back to the US. The meeting was not a secret and was reported on in the press at the time that it happened.
Now, we can't say for certain that there wasn't any side discussion about letting the NSA install backdoors in their products, but do you really think Obama would be the one leading those discussions?
In any event, that photo in no way supports that any such discussions took place any more than this photo proves that Obama helped Putin plan the invasion of Crimea.
Couldn't disagree with you more. He exposed the unconstitutional spying and data collection that has gone on AND continues against the Anerican people. Every country spies on each other, but we as citizens are supposed to be protected against government overreach.
He's a traitor. You expect me to believe a mid level analyst knows everything about the constitution? By no means am I defending the NSA, govt, but there are better ways than his treason.
One other note...read the entire page that AI links go. There is NOTHING on that page that suggests this iPhone exploit was ever successfully developed. The status is listed as "in development". The verbs used in the last paragraph about the strategy are all future tense, referring to potential future use of the exploit. It even says that the development (which was still underway) was only aimed at creating an exploit that requires direct access to the iPhone. Any ten year old can jailbreak an iPhone.
Show me the evidence that development was completed successfully. Show me something that suggests the exploit was ever deployed and used in the field (against American citizens or otherwise). Show me that the remote exploit was ever created.
This is a perfect example of claiming that there being no evidence that something didn't happen it somehow proof that it did happen.
That document is nothing other than outlining a concept for a potential way to exploit an iPhone. Of course the NSA would investigate how to break into an iPhone, that's their job! Show me the evidence that such an exploit was ever systematically installed on every iPhone as Snowden is claiming. This "proof" is nothing more than feeding the paranoid delusions of people who are looking for evidence to support their preconceived conspiracy theories.
Regarding whether Snowden is a traitor or patriot, I trust the judgements of Daniel Ellsberg, William Binney, Thomas Drake and several others. The pack of morons who haven't even bothered to notice that the reason Snowden is in Russia is because the US government stranded him there, are not who I would call credible or compelling.
Give me a break on all of this unconstitutional chatter. The constitution is outdated and needs to be re written in many areas to be relevant to current times.
Being a whistleblower on the unconstutional bits, I'm all for it. 100%.
He'd have to do jail time probably, but there's even a good chance he'd get out before he's old.
But, for the rest of what was released, people, could have already known if they actually cared to inform themselves on their own government.
The 90% that was constitional (the provisions for them were mostly already in the patriot act) (and still are) should be handled the usual way, through people actually caring what their government is doing and voting in large numbers to change things.
The fact people are not doing that, not voting against it, must mean they tacitly agree with the patriot acts and all what it means. They want absolute security but close their eyes to what it entails.. Willful denial.
People cannot stand and be shocked about what the NSA is legally doing when a lot of what they're doing could be easily surmised. There's a whole show based on pervasive surveillance (Person of Interest), which was devellopped and launched even before Snowden's releases.
People like to rail against the government when they get exactly the government they voted for (or didn't vote for).
Either they put up (Vote) or shut up. They can't have it both ways. Considering the low voter turnout, most people like to whine about the big bad government than do anything about it; the worse option possible.
PS: I'm not even talking about the whole slew of things he revealed that relates to normal legal CIA and NSA operations. In this case, he deserves a whole heep of prison time.
Now that's fair and insightful. I had a mindset after 9/11 that anything I could do to help I would as long troops were dying on the battlefield. After the learning of abuses and stretches of that act along with the fear mongering has changed my opinion of how we conduct surveillance against our citizens. That disdain was carried forward when the government said that not giving them access to all devices was helping protect fugitives with the kicker of crimes against children or abduction. How they portrayed that irked me. They need access to my phone because pedophiles or kidnappers may use a similar device but law enforcement can't sit at the exit of a bar for drunk drivers. In my blindness of supporting the cause I let things go unchecked because I believed in the cause. Back when gas prices were sky high and the beginnings of the recession were manifesting. In my simple mind the days of the government being unchecked because a they were voted in or b because there are other checks and balances in place to protect our civil liberties is naive.
I can sit back all day and discuss/learn where I'm wrong in that mindset with you. What I refuse to deal with is someone who has a differing viewpoint then shuts down everything I say because I asked a simple question.
As for voting the machine is bigger than the candidate. Once a change agent is introduced to the government they are quickly assimilated into the machine.
Like I prefaced this whole discussion, I deliberately stayed out of the know with this leak kid. I can't change or do anything about what he did anyway. However he handled it or the politics behind it, he uncovered a truth that disappoints me about my government that I'm ashamed of and I believe is well beyond the mechanics of being fixed by voting. It's a slow fundamental shift in policy and freedoms that have eroded away little by little for years. I love my country. I support our troops. I understand humans are fallible, but the corruption goes way beyond that. We do not always need a big brother looking over our shoulder for our own good. Perhaps when more folks take on that level of advanced citizenship real change can be realized.
That picture was from a well known and open meeting between Obama and tech CEOs about how to bring jobs back to the US. The meeting was not a secret and was reported on in the press at the time that it happened.
Now, we can't say for certain that there wasn't any side discussion about letting the NSA install backdoors in their products, but do you really think Obama would be the one leading those discussions?
In any event, that photo in no way supports that any such discussions took place any more than this photo proves that Obama helped Putin plan the invasion of Crimea.
Now you believe what's been said about him? I think your defense of him the other day is wavering.
You are confusing me with someone else. And I was just acknowledging Ireland's earlier post in this thread. I really don't need any help in despising Apple ]['s jingoism. Never have, never will.
You are confusing me with someone else. And I was just acknowledging Ireland's earlier post in this thread. I really don't need any help in despising Apple ]
Regarding whether Snowden is a traitor or a hero, I find Daniel Ellsberg, William Binney, Thomas Drake and a few others far more credible and compelling than those here who haven't even bothered to notice that the reason Snowden is in Russia is only because the US government stranded him there and forcing down the plane of a diplomat they thought might be carring him elsewhere.
Agreed. Every opportunity to make hostile attacks is taken by this guy against any and all targets. I've often avoided this forum because I'm sick of seeing his behavior. There's another just like him, too, so I assume the moderators like this kind of behavior???
EDIT: his user name doesn't even parse properly in quotebacks. :-p
He's bad enough to turn many people away from this forum, I'm sure. I suspect the worst about why he's tolerated.
I guess you didn't hear. The USA is actually the most adept at comprehensive spying on its citizens' and the world's communication. And we know this because of Snowden. You can't keep making the "freedom" argument once your ostensibly libertine government is revealed to have been doing the same - and to an extent previously unimaginable.
I guess you didn't hear. The USA is actually the most adept at comprehensive spying on its citizens' and the world's communication. And we know this because of Snowden. You can't keep making the "freedom" argument once your ostensibly libertine government is revealed to have been doing the same - and to an extent previously unimaginable.
I guess you didn't hear. Government agencies like the NSA and the CIA are in the spy business. It's what we pay them to do. Of course they have the capability to spy on whoever needs to be spied on. This is a good thing, because there are a lot of very bad people in the world who want to kill as many of us as they can. And in order to catch these very bad people we need to be able to spy on them so we can stop them before they carry out their plans.
I'd much rather be living in America where we can engage in a public debate on the proper use of surveillance to protect Americans without fear of being tossed into prison for it, than in an authoritarian state like Russia where autocrats like Putin spy on whoever they want and simply snap their fingers to make annoying investigative critics disappear forever. I hope Snowden is enjoying his exile in Mother Russia. It's better than he deserves.
If I were him, I wouldn't be touching any phones at all.
I believe that somebody needs to bust a cap in his ass. He's a traitor, a rat, and he'll eventually get what's coming to him, when tried and convicted.
what absolute nonsense. enjoy your police state world view, where only bootlickers are rewarded... me, ill be enjoying america.
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It is called a newspaper.
Read then wipe...
This is why the Supreme Court made it necessary to get a warrant so search your phone.
So if you want privacy you have to use simple burner phones.
The vegetable-based ink is going to leave a mark.
I find the pic posted with the tech CEOs and Obama troubling.
That picture was from a well known and open meeting between Obama and tech CEOs about how to bring jobs back to the US. The meeting was not a secret and was reported on in the press at the time that it happened.
Now, we can't say for certain that there wasn't any side discussion about letting the NSA install backdoors in their products, but do you really think Obama would be the one leading those discussions?
In any event, that photo in no way supports that any such discussions took place any more than this photo proves that Obama helped Putin plan the invasion of Crimea.
He's a traitor. You expect me to believe a mid level analyst knows everything about the constitution? By no means am I defending the NSA, govt, but there are better ways than his treason.
One other note...read the entire page that AI links go. There is NOTHING on that page that suggests this iPhone exploit was ever successfully developed. The status is listed as "in development". The verbs used in the last paragraph about the strategy are all future tense, referring to potential future use of the exploit. It even says that the development (which was still underway) was only aimed at creating an exploit that requires direct access to the iPhone. Any ten year old can jailbreak an iPhone.
Show me the evidence that development was completed successfully. Show me something that suggests the exploit was ever deployed and used in the field (against American citizens or otherwise). Show me that the remote exploit was ever created.
This is a perfect example of claiming that there being no evidence that something didn't happen it somehow proof that it did happen.
That document is nothing other than outlining a concept for a potential way to exploit an iPhone. Of course the NSA would investigate how to break into an iPhone, that's their job! Show me the evidence that such an exploit was ever systematically installed on every iPhone as Snowden is claiming. This "proof" is nothing more than feeding the paranoid delusions of people who are looking for evidence to support their preconceived conspiracy theories.
That's what the Amendment process is for.
The presidency? I'd vote for him.
I can sit back all day and discuss/learn where I'm wrong in that mindset with you. What I refuse to deal with is someone who has a differing viewpoint then shuts down everything I say because I asked a simple question.
As for voting the machine is bigger than the candidate. Once a change agent is introduced to the government they are quickly assimilated into the machine.
Like I prefaced this whole discussion, I deliberately stayed out of the know with this leak kid. I can't change or do anything about what he did anyway. However he handled it or the politics behind it, he uncovered a truth that disappoints me about my government that I'm ashamed of and I believe is well beyond the mechanics of being fixed by voting. It's a slow fundamental shift in policy and freedoms that have eroded away little by little for years. I love my country. I support our troops. I understand humans are fallible, but the corruption goes way beyond that. We do not always need a big brother looking over our shoulder for our own good. Perhaps when more folks take on that level of advanced citizenship real change can be realized.
Good point I put my tinfoil hat on too soon and thank you for the perspective.
You are confusing me with someone else. And I was just acknowledging Ireland's earlier post in this thread. I really don't need any help in despising Apple ]['s jingoism. Never have, never will.
He's bad enough to turn many people away from this forum, I'm sure. I suspect the worst about why he's tolerated.
What do you have to say about this, moderators?
You're misunderstanding as usual. That was no defense of him. That was an accusation that he's not for real, but he's putting on an act.
See? He's a phony.
He's obviously not a phony, but you want us to dismiss him as a charlatan.
1-21-2015 EIA Report
Dear General Pepper 1 and 2,
The attack against the By dart elves and All-ah-US was simply a clumsy implication attack now named "mr. mimick's fart finale."
Hugs to our FDA.
I guess you didn't hear. Government agencies like the NSA and the CIA are in the spy business. It's what we pay them to do. Of course they have the capability to spy on whoever needs to be spied on. This is a good thing, because there are a lot of very bad people in the world who want to kill as many of us as they can. And in order to catch these very bad people we need to be able to spy on them so we can stop them before they carry out their plans.
I'd much rather be living in America where we can engage in a public debate on the proper use of surveillance to protect Americans without fear of being tossed into prison for it, than in an authoritarian state like Russia where autocrats like Putin spy on whoever they want and simply snap their fingers to make annoying investigative critics disappear forever. I hope Snowden is enjoying his exile in Mother Russia. It's better than he deserves.
If I were him, I wouldn't be touching any phones at all.
I believe that somebody needs to bust a cap in his ass. He's a traitor, a rat, and he'll eventually get what's coming to him, when tried and convicted.
what absolute nonsense. enjoy your police state world view, where only bootlickers are rewarded... me, ill be enjoying america.