Donald Trump says Apple should back down in San Bernardino case

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  • Reply 81 of 138
    volcanvolcan Posts: 1,799member
    jfc1138 said:
    muppetry said:
    I'm sure that they are primarily looking for contacts in the US, as they should be. 
    That takes a simple warrant to the service provider for the phone records and EVERY number contacted is available.
    True, but I don't think the carriers can record emails, chats, Skype, apps, etc especially if they were on WiFi at the time. 
    edited February 2016
  • Reply 82 of 138
    lkrupplkrupp Posts: 10,024member
    Apple has landed square in the middle of election year politics and it won’t go well. The right wingers are already using Apple as their next Judas Goat, whipping boy. Anybody caught using an iPhone will be labeled a “terrorist supporter” and Tim Cook will be trotted out as a gay lib supporter of Islam. You can see the gay thing in many comment sections all over the web. The terrorist supporter is starting gain traction. Apple may be doing the right thing but they are going to pay for it by being vilified and excoriated by the Cliven Bundy militia crowd. Apple is a very convenient target for them right now.
    jony0
  • Reply 83 of 138
    slurpyslurpy Posts: 5,355member
    He claims to be right wing, but the man's being praised by Code Pink for his 9/11 trutherism and he wants socialized medicine. Keep that in mind before engaging in conservative bashing, commenters. 

    He's only right wing in the ways that GOP supporters truly care about, which is demonizing the "others" (Mexicans, Muslims, etc), being a warmonger, and just a general all around anti-intellectual asshole. What does his popularity tell you about "conservative" voters? It tells you exactly what attracts people to the GOP- and it isn't "conservatism", but hatred and demagoguery, and the desire to blame others for their own problems and failures. Trump has exposed exactly what the GOP "base" is made of, something most of us knew all along. 
  • Reply 84 of 138
    zoetmb said:
    Theoretically, I don't have a problem with Apple opening this phone (if indeed they can) once ordered by the Court.   The problem is that opens a can of worms where, as others have posted, the FBI, CIA and police units will go to court in order to get the tool to use for themselves.   And if Apple can do it, hackers can do it.  And once hackers can do it, that makes all of us, far less safe.


    A happy middle ground is that Apple does what it can & provides all the data if it can. 

    The government doesn't have to know How To.

    My point is that if your or my family or loved ones were massacred, I'd want Apple to help. Not become a barrier...



  • Reply 85 of 138
    apple ][apple ][ Posts: 9,233member
    slurpy said:
    He claims to be right wing, but the man's being praised by Code Pink for his 9/11 trutherism and he wants socialized medicine. Keep that in mind before engaging in conservative bashing, commenters. 

    He's only right wing in the ways that GOP supporters truly care about, which is demonizing the "others" (Mexicans, Muslims, etc), being a warmonger, and just a general all around anti-intellectual asshole. What does his popularity tell you about "conservative" voters? It tells you exactly what attracts people to the GOP- and it isn't "conservatism", but hatred and demagoguery, and the desire to blame others for their own problems and failures. Trump has exposed exactly what the GOP "base" is made of, something most of us knew all along. 
    You're going to be in for a big surprise, because Trump's support goes far further than just "conservatives". As a matter of fact, some so-called conservatives hate him and they are doing everything that they can to try and bring him down. The repub establishment is terrified of him.

    He still has my vote for sure! :#
  • Reply 86 of 138
    apple ][apple ][ Posts: 9,233member

    lkrupp said:
    Apple has landed square in the middle of election year politics and it won’t go well. The right wingers are already using Apple as their next Judas Goat, whipping boy. Anybody caught using an iPhone will be labeled a “terrorist supporter” and Tim Cook will be trotted out as a gay lib supporter of Islam. You can see the gay thing in many comment sections all over the web. The terrorist supporter is starting gain traction. Apple may be doing the right thing but they are going to pay for it by being vilified and excoriated by the Cliven Bundy militia crowd. Apple is a very convenient target for them right now.
    I've long been a huge "terrorist supporter".  :#

    Do you remember those ridiculous commercials some years back, implying that smoking weed is supporting terrorism? In that case, I am a huge terrorist supporter, even though their whole argument was complete garbage. 
  • Reply 87 of 138
    apple ][ said:
    slurpy said:

    He's only right wing in the ways that GOP supporters truly care about, which is demonizing the "others" (Mexicans, Muslims, etc), being a warmonger, and just a general all around anti-intellectual asshole. What does his popularity tell you about "conservative" voters? It tells you exactly what attracts people to the GOP- and it isn't "conservatism", but hatred and demagoguery, and the desire to blame others for their own problems and failures. Trump has exposed exactly what the GOP "base" is made of, something most of us knew all along. 
    You're going to be in for a big surprise, because Trump's support goes far further than just "conservatives". As a matter of fact, some so-called conservatives hate him and they are doing everything that they can to try and bring him down. The repub establishment is terrified of him.

    He still has my vote for sure! :#
    This is true from what I see. I have friends in the U.S. who are voting for him on foreign policy alone for understanding: Iraq was a mess, Libya was a disaster, leaving Iraq early (after surge stabilized it) was a disaster, not teaming up with Putin is bad, arming "moderates" in syria is a horrible idea, supporting Assad removal is a terrible idea... I could go on but it seems like Trump is on the right side with all those points.
  • Reply 88 of 138
    Most people probably agree with Apple in theory but this is no longer a theoretical debate. CNCB has a poll up on their site and public opinion is split 50-50 Is Cook ready for this PR fight?
    Unfortunately many people have no clue what the issue is. It's not about unlocking one iPhone. It's forcing Apple to modify their OS to circumvent current security measures that would make it easier to break the encryption. As I read elsewhere, rephrased: "it's not giving the FBI the key to your house, it's modifying locks to be opened with a special tool that would open all doors. And burglars will have these tools too." Once you've done it for one phone, it will inevitably be available for other uses: stealing your ApplePay credit cards, denying your health coverage because you did not move enough, tracking your whereabouts throughout the day could lead to charges because "you were in the area".
  • Reply 89 of 138
    sdw2001sdw2001 Posts: 17,895member
    LOL, this thread.  So predictable.  "Trump's an idiot fascist Hitler sexist bigot with worse hair!" 
    Adolescents.  
    allmypeoplecnocbui
  • Reply 90 of 138

    Apple says Donald Trump should shut the f**k up!

  • Reply 91 of 138
    lkrupp said:
    Apple has landed square in the middle of election year politics and it won’t go well. The right wingers are already using Apple as their next Judas Goat, whipping boy. Anybody caught using an iPhone will be labeled a “terrorist supporter” and Tim Cook will be trotted out as a gay lib supporter of Islam. You can see the gay thing in many comment sections all over the web. The terrorist supporter is starting gain traction. Apple may be doing the right thing but they are going to pay for it by being vilified and excoriated by the Cliven Bundy militia crowd. Apple is a very convenient target for them right now.
    There may be some idiots, but there is a lot of consensus amongst Red and Blue on this issue. It may finally help unite us at least a little more than we are now.
  • Reply 92 of 138
    Further proof this guy is a idiot. 



  • Reply 93 of 138
    cornchip said:
    Amazing anyone takes this guy seriously as a candidate for POTUS.

    I think Trump's knee-jerk response underlines a concern about his willingness to abide by an oath (were he to become president) to uphold the US Constitution.

    The All Writs Act of 1789, the original source of the law the FBI is invoking to brow beat Apple, predates the Bill of Rights, which was adopted in 1791. I would argue that such an over reaching application of this law and it's later iterations represents the type of over reach by the government, that the Bill of Rights was adopted to prevent... And is therefore unconstitutional!









    Not that the other options are way better.

  • Reply 94 of 138
    quinneyquinney Posts: 2,528member
    It is surprising that Trump supporters want to give the Obama Administration this capability, even if only for eleven months.  Maybe he will revise his opinion so that Apple must unlock iOS, but not until he is president.
  • Reply 95 of 138
    fallenjt said:
    I don't care what Trump says.

    The reality is that if this has the oversight of elected officials, they should do it. In the UK they do this stuff quite well: parliamentary committees vote & oversee.

    16 innocent people were murdered. Help law enforcement do their job.

    This is Snowdon/Greenwald level conspiracy stuff. Give me a break.
    Apple already helped them on this phone, you dumbshit. FBI just want to be able to break in any iPhone. Read Tim Cook's letter.
    Whoops!

    http://www.reuters.com/article/apple-encryption-whitehouse-idUSW1N14V03K  

    REUTERS: U.S. DOJ is asking Apple for access to one device: White House


    That's why it's always best to avoid calling someone a dumbshit so fast. You can end up looking like, a dumbshit.

  • Reply 96 of 138
    apple ][apple ][ Posts: 9,233member
    quinney said:
    It is surprising that Trump supporters want to give the Obama Administration this capability, even if only for eleven months.  
    I'm a Trump supporter (obviously), but I don't want to give any capability to the Obama Admin, not even for five minutes.
  • Reply 97 of 138
    tmaytmay Posts: 5,761member
    fallenjt said:
    Apple already helped them on this phone, you dumbshit. FBI just want to be able to break in any iPhone. Read Tim Cook's letter.
    Whoops!

    http://www.reuters.com/article/apple-encryption-whitehouse-idUSW1N14V03K  

    REUTERS: U.S. DOJ is asking Apple for access to one device: White House


    That's why it's always best to avoid calling someone a dumbshit so fast. You can end up looking like, a dumbshit.

    It's always the first that sets the precedent; they won't stop at one, they won't have to stop at one, and you know that.
  • Reply 98 of 138
    jbdragon said:
    rs9 said:
    The more I hear Trump the more he sounds like a Communist/Socialist.  He supports more government intervention.  He criticizes Corporate America by moving over seas (Ford, Carrier, etc).  knowing full well a corporations largest expense is salary and health benefits. This is why the Trump line of clothes is made in China. 
    The last person I want is that criminal Clinton, let alone that huge Socialist Sanders. But the things that come out of Trumps mouth is making him not be the best pick either. More Sucky choices to pick from for another presidential election.
    Every candidate is a potential dictator.
  • Reply 99 of 138
    tmay said:
    Whoops!

    http://www.reuters.com/article/apple-encryption-whitehouse-idUSW1N14V03K  

    REUTERS: U.S. DOJ is asking Apple for access to one device: White House


    That's why it's always best to avoid calling someone a dumbshit so fast. You can end up looking like, a dumbshit.

    It's always the first that sets the precedent; they won't stop at one, they won't have to stop at one, and you know that.
     I'm not a Snowden/Greenwald conspiracy theorist when it comes to data.

    If your loved ones were gunned down & the information on that phone was helpful to the FBI, you'd want them to access it.

    tele1234
  • Reply 100 of 138
    apple ][ said:
    quinney said:
    It is surprising that Trump supporters want to give the Obama Administration this capability, even if only for eleven months.  
    I'm a Trump supporter (obviously), but I don't want to give any capability to the Obama Admin, not even for five minutes.
    And I don't want either to be given total fascistic power. "Democrat" and "Republican" are just words. The actual differences between parties has been approaching zero. The biggest difference is in the rhetoric. Look at the difference between what Obama has said in his speeches versus what he's actually done. A person would have to be willfully blind to not see what is plain as day.
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