Your revised MWSF predictions

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  • Reply 41 of 101
    [quote]Originally posted by torifile:

    <strong>I hope they release some of that crack that Mike's been smoking because it seems to be really good stuff.</strong><hr></blockquote>



    A) No crack. Just my gut. And it doesn't distribute crack either.



    B) This is a prediction. Any machine is better than mine. I am on a IIci, upgraded to a 80MHz 68040. So I am more mainly focused on price.



    As for my predictions. The only one I am going to change is my iBook one. I think that will be a special event in May. Other than that, I can't think of any changes.



    torifile, as for my predictions being over the top. Not really. Look at all of the specials going on right now. G4 discounts on buying the monitor. Or how about the iMac rebates if you buy a digital camera.



    Normally, I would agree with your synopsis of Apple releasing only one big item. However they know that they let down everyone at MWNY this past time, so I think that they might bring two major items up because of that disappointment. Besides, that would get the whole industry buzzing, saying something like "Look at what Apple just did. They released TWO new computers!!"



    In order to increase marketshare, Apple needs to pull that off. Then Apple needs to (are you listening Apple??) MARKET its products.



    Just my humble opinion.



    [ 12-02-2001: Message edited by: Mike Eggleston ]</p>
  • Reply 42 of 101
    torifiletorifile Posts: 4,024member
    Mike,

    Then at least pass some of it over this way Anyway, I would love to agree with you, but I'm afraid I can't. I'm going to keep my expectations relatively low for this one. LCD iMac is all I'm picturing right now. Whoever said that they would have all the same speed proc but differ in optical drives was onto something. I think that's what's going to happen with a CRT iMac as the low end. Just like the iBook. All 933mhz G3, LCD iMacs. No superdrive, yet. No G5's until Seybold. I hope I'm wrong
  • Reply 43 of 101
    sdw2001sdw2001 Posts: 17,915member
    [quote]Originally posted by torifile:

    <strong>Mike,

    Then at least pass some of it over this way Anyway, I would love to agree with you, but I'm afraid I can't. I'm going to keep my expectations relatively low for this one. LCD iMac is all I'm picturing right now. Whoever said that they would have all the same speed proc but differ in optical drives was onto something. I think that's what's going to happen with a CRT iMac as the low end. Just like the iBook. All 933mhz G3, LCD iMacs. No superdrive, yet. No G5's until Seybold. I hope I'm wrong </strong><hr></blockquote>





    I would be ok with a Seybod release. that is still Q1.
  • Reply 44 of 101
    franckfranck Posts: 135member
    Since when is August in Q1 ???



    Edit: bad spelling !



    [ 12-03-2001: Message edited by: Franck ]</p>
  • Reply 45 of 101
    [quote]Originally posted by Max8319:

    <strong>WHEN'S MWSF???</strong><hr></blockquote>



    Jan 7-11



    <a href="http://www.macworldexpo.com"; target="_blank">www.macworldexpo.com</a>
  • Reply 46 of 101
    emaneman Posts: 7,204member
    [quote]Originally posted by Franck:

    <strong>Since when is August in Q1 ???



    Edit: bad spelling !



    [ 12-03-2001: Message edited by: Franck ]</strong><hr></blockquote>



    Seybold NY in Feb.
  • Reply 47 of 101
    Heres my guess



    -No G5, I doubt that Apple, Motorola and other PPC customers could be quiet throughout the design, testing and production phases of a whole new chip architecture. I think that there has been Only one source spreading the same bogus information about the G5. If I remember correctly the source claimed that hundreds of test units were in the field, way too many for there to be only one source



    -No 64bit OSX Dependent on G5 and demand for 64 bit application, wich outside of server and scientific supercomputing is very limited



    -No OSX 1.2 Simply not eneogh time to develop a major update to OSX from the 10.1 update



    -No mac clustering Why? Where's the demand? To enter the overcrowded highend server market with zero credability. Apple makes a fine single or dual proc server but garners nary a mention in the traditional server arena's



    -No LCD imac LCD prices are still too high an LCD iMac from a cost standpoint is likely very close to that of and IceBook and $1199 starting price is too high for entry level market.



    -No gigawire What is it?



    -No1394b (aka 800Mbit firewire) TI hasn't even finalized development of the silicon.



    -No USB 2.0 Won't adopt the faster USB protocol until after the faster Firewire ships



    -No 802.11 a or g (aka 54Mbit and 22Mbit airport respectively) 802.11a range sucks and 802.11g spec isn't finalized. Last month they updated there Aiport hardware and software



    Heres what Apple will introduce



    -Up to 1.2 Ghz G4.5 (AKA Apollo) Apple won't make a huge jump in clock speed when they could make a couple clock bumps over a couple months and get more upgrade business



    -Speed bumped portables at best a 800mhz Tibook and 700Mhz IceBook and slight chance at a slot loading DVD/CD-R option.



    -speed bumped iMacs may sport up to 1Ghz G4 they have to do something drastic to reinvigorate iMace sales, but LCD prices are still too high



    -iPicture or similar To really round out their digital hub strategy they really need a free consumer oriented photo editor
  • Reply 48 of 101
    I think(Im optimistic and gullible)



    g5 dual 1 GHz.-1.4 ghz.

    and if not that something quad(boasting that new I/O thingie that makes MP act as SP)

    New iMacs, no g4 but LCD and speed bump

    no new portables(perhaps a speed bump or if ddr ram gets standard the option to add ddr-ram in BTO)



    the really really really optimistic(though I have NO rumors at all suppoting this I want it to happen)

    FULL support from creative labs
  • Reply 49 of 101
    cosmonutcosmonut Posts: 4,872member
    Some of you seem right on the nose, some of you seem WAY off. Here's what I think's coming, and then I'll tell you why:



    1) Steve in typical clothing

    2) Jibber jabber about Apple Stores, Airport 2, and OS X, demos iTunes 2 and stuff.

    3) iPod flaunting and release of what that secret special port ACTUALLY does and whatever product goes with it.

    4) Adobe big-wig announces Photoshop for OS X, let's a lackey actually show it.

    5) Macromedia announces Dreamweaver, Fireworks, and Flash for OS X

    4) Steve's computer talk:



    a) Quicksilvers, TiBooks, and iBooks doing very well -- almost TOO well (ref. to TiBook CD-RW version being halted for a bit) Announcement of combo drive in TiBook models. No price increase or speed bumps.



    b) LCD iMac's released

    600, 700, 800Mhz G3

    $1199, 1399, 1599 (we're talking about LCD's here!)

    CD-ROM on bottom, CD-RW on top two

    128MB, 128MB, 256MB

    20, 40, 60GB HD's

    14" LCD display w/ 1024x768 max. resolution

    500Mhz Indigo or Snow iMac stays at bottom for education only.



    And that's the show. Pretty full, really. What you WON'T see and why:



    G5 PowerMacs: The G4 has a lot left in it, and Quicksilvers weren't introduced THAT long ago. They still have a bit of life left until an update. Expect a speed bump to the G4 in Tokyo, but still no G5 until summer.



    Speed bumps to iBook and TiBook: They were updated AFTER the Quicksilvers and need to stretch for a while still. Expect a new TiBook enclosure (not too drastic) and speed-bump in Tokyo and a speed-bumped iBook then too.



    New device: The iPod still needs it's moment in the sun, and we need to find out what the special port is for. I think it'll be a while before we see another device.



    iMacs and iBooks will NOT get a G4 until PowerMacs and TiBooks have gone G5. Period. Talk about a marketing nightmare dealing with the consumer and pro models having the same processor.



    The End.



    [ 12-04-2001: Message edited by: CosmoNut ]</p>
  • Reply 50 of 101
    tarbashtarbash Posts: 278member
    Sorry, but Apple isn't going to downgrade the iMac HD sizes...



    I'd expect 40,60,80 in the iMac, and 60,80, 100 in the PowerMac.
  • Reply 51 of 101
    kidredkidred Posts: 2,402member
    [quote]Originally posted by CosmoNut:

    <strong>



    a) Quicksilvers, TiBooks, and iBooks doing very well -- almost TOO well (ref. to TiBook CD-RW version being halted for a bit) Announcement of combo drive in TiBook models. No price increase or speed bumps.



    ]</strong><hr></blockquote>



    I think you are way off here. No matter the G4/G5 rumor or not, every rumor says faster towers in Jan. And from what i hear, tower sales suck. And, Apple speed bumps them every 6 months if I remeber correctly
  • Reply 52 of 101
    cosmonutcosmonut Posts: 4,872member
    [quote]Originally posted by KidRed:

    <strong>



    I think you are way off here. No matter the G4/G5 rumor or not, every rumor says faster towers in Jan. And from what i hear, tower sales suck. And, Apple speed bumps them every 6 months if I remeber correctly </strong><hr></blockquote>



    Apparently you failed to read that I think everything will have had a speed bump after Tokyo.



    <img src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" />
  • Reply 53 of 101
    looks like My guess is getting closer:

    [quote]originally posted by me:

    -No G5, I doubt that Apple, Motorola and other PPC customers could be quiet throughout the design, testing and production phases of a whole new chip architecture. I think that there has been Only one source spreading the same bogus information about the G5. If I remember correctly the source claimed that hundreds of test units were in the field, way too many for there to be only one source<hr></blockquote>



    god I am good. Unfortunatly it doesn't look like we'll see G5 until late 2002 early 2003. They will just be sampling an embeded G5 that lacks altivec and only runs at 800Mhz by mid 2002. ouch.
  • Reply 54 of 101
    Whatever



    32-bit &lt;----- G5 PowerPC 8500 Goldfinger processor running at speeds of either 1.0, 1.2, and 1.4 GHz or 1.2, 1.4, and 1.6 GHz



    It won't be quite the G5 we expected to see......but it will sure be a nice surprise. Expect lower clock speeds. Some architectural features we expected may be missing.
  • Reply 55 of 101
    applenutapplenut Posts: 5,768member
    [quote]-No G5, I doubt that Apple, Motorola and other PPC customers could be quiet throughout the design, testing and production phases of a whole new chip architecture. I think that there has been Only one source spreading the same bogus information about the G5. If I remember correctly the source claimed that hundreds of test units were in the field, way too many for there to be only one source<hr></blockquote>



    and this is different from the G4 how? everyone thought the G4 was being released no earlier than January 2000 and Apple snuck it in at Seybold in August 99. There were hundreds of test units in the field but no one heard of them. People do keep their NDAs.



    [quote]-No mac clustering Why? Where's the demand? To enter the overcrowded highend server market with zero credability. Apple makes a fine single or dual proc server but garners nary a mention in the traditional server arena's<hr></blockquote>



    there is a very large demand. the clustering seminar at macworld expo NY was very popular and the scientific field is growing a lot for Apple with the G4 and OS X. Clustering out of the box is just so damn logical.



    [quote]-No LCD imac LCD prices are still too high an LCD iMac from a cost standpoint is likely very close to that of and IceBook and $1199 starting price is too high for entry level market.<hr></blockquote>



    1.) an LCD iMac is coming.

    2.) An LCD is not too expensive. There are sub 1000 PCs with LCDs now

    3.) there is no reason an LCD imac can't start at 1199 or 1299. Apple could always keep a lowend CRT based imac for 899 to cover the lowend.



    [quote]-No1394b (aka 800Mbit firewire) TI hasn't even finalized development of the silicon.<hr></blockquote>



    thought I read that it was finalized several weeks ago?



    [quote]-Speed bumped portables at best a 800mhz Tibook and 700Mhz IceBook and slight chance at a slot loading DVD/CD-R option.<hr></blockquote>



    considering a faster G4 would likely set the thing on fire unless its a new rev G4 I thought it. Plus, how do you expect Apple to clear the channel when the channel is finally being filled. Think.



    [quote]

    -speed bumped iMacs may sport up to 1Ghz G4 they have to do something drastic to reinvigorate iMace sales, but LCD prices are still too high<hr></blockquote>



    if anything the G4 is too expensive. a 1Ghz G4 would cost more than the LCD display
  • Reply 56 of 101
    applenutapplenut Posts: 5,768member
    PowerMac G4 7460

    867 Mhz, 1.2 Ghz, dual 1Ghz

    256 MB, 512, 512

    60, 80, 100 HDs

    nvidia Geforce 3 standard

    Superdrive Standard

    266 Mhz DDR Bus

    new case

    $1699, $2199, $2799



    iMac

    15 inch LCD

    700Mhz G3

    DVD, CDRW, Combo

    128MB, 128MB, 256MB

    40, 60, 80 GB HDs

    ATI Radeon 16 MB

    new most beautiful computer design ever created

    $999, $1199, $1499



    Apple Displays

    $499, $799, $2199



    those our my conservative predictions



    what I want/hope/have faith will happen:

    PowerMac G5

    1Ghz, 1.2 Ghz, 1.4 Ghz, 1.6Ghz

    256MB, 256MB, 512MB, 512MB

    Superdrive standard

    Geforce 3 Standard/Radeon 8500 Option

    Firewire 2

    Gigabit Ethernet

    Airport Standard

    40, 60, 80, 100GB HDs (all 7200RPM)

    Dual options for all processors except 1.6Ghz at Apple store. dual 1.2 Ghz likely to be offered to stores prebuilt).

    $1699, $1999, $2499, $2999



    iMac (LCD)

    15.1 inch LCD

    Superdrive (maybe, maybe combo drive )

    1Ghz G3 or 867 Mhz g4 depending on if the g3 can handle iDVD2.

    256 MB RAM

    60GB HD

    Firewire 2

    Airport standard

    nVidia Geforce 2 MX 32 MB

    Gigabit Ethernet

    $1299



    iMac (CRT)

    15 inch CRT

    CDRW

    700Mhz G3

    40 GB HD

    128 MB RAM

    Geforce 2 MX 32 MB

    $899



    [ 12-05-2001: Message edited by: applenut ]</p>
  • Reply 57 of 101
    kidredkidred Posts: 2,402member
    [quote]Originally posted by CosmoNut:

    <strong>



    Apparently you failed to read that I think everything will have had a speed bump after Tokyo.



    <img src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>



    I read your post and again, I disagree. Tokyo is more than 6 months from July. The tower and the iMac will see speed bumps <img src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" />
  • Reply 58 of 101
    iMac



    933 MHz G3

    133 MHz bus

    128, 256, 256 RAM

    40, 60, 80 HD

    Nvidia 32 MB graphics

    15" LCD

    DVD ROM, CD RW, Combo

    awesome new enclosure

    $999, $1299, $1599



    Note: This is a total guess.



    Hoping...



    -'pert
  • Reply 59 of 101
    iMac

    1Ghz G5

    19" LCD

    100Gig Hard drive

    4Gigs of Ram

    Superduper Drive (everything under the sun)

    Radeon VE 1Gig

    Carbon Fiber Case

    USB 2.0, Firewire 2, I think your catching on...



    Powerbook

    2Ghz G5

    16" LCD

    100Gig Hard Drive

    2Gigs of Ram

    Rambo drive (Burn any CD/DVD in 4sec flat)

    Radeon 1Gig

    Covered in Red & Gray Ferrari Paint

    USB 2.0, Firewire 2, bla bla bla



    That was so much fun.



    [ 12-05-2001: Message edited by: KrazyFool ]</p>
  • Reply 60 of 101
    applenut, I think your 'conservative' predictions are bang-on. With three exceptions:



    1) no new case for G4s

    2) no standard Superdrive in low-end model

    3) new LCD line-up of 17" ($699), 19" ($1,199) and 22" ($2,299)



    I think the G5 is close, and we'll see it before MWNY (in a new case), but this show's gonna be all about OS X (lots of demos ofFCP3, Photoshop X, etc.) and the cool new LCD iMac.
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