Apple asks Foxconn to move iPad, MacBook production from China to Vietnam

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  • Reply 101 of 146
    elijahgelijahg Posts: 2,669member
    I see our resident Chinese shill is still trying to singlehandedly hold the fort against negativity toward China. Not doing a great job I might add. 
    gatorguyGG1
  • Reply 102 of 146
    GeorgeBMacGeorgeBMac Posts: 11,421member
    elijahg said:
    I see our resident Chinese shill is still trying to singlehandedly hold the fort against negativity toward China. Not doing a great job I might add. 

    Just calling bull to the bull from the resident China haters.   The ones who hate China because they aren't a democracy but support the Chief China Hater trying to dismantle ours.
  • Reply 103 of 146
    tzeshan said:
    Very funny. Despite Trump repeatedly claims US is the greatest country in the world. US and all other countries are not able to replace Taiwanese company Foxconn in assembling iPhone, iPad, MacBooks, AirPods. I like to know why Taiwanese is so superior to US and all other countries including China and India?
    Maybe because a true government of China sits in Taiwan?
    tmayelijahg
  • Reply 104 of 146
    seanj said:
    The Chinese people, contrary to right wing propaganda, seem to be far happier with their government than we here in the U.S.  The Chinese aren't the ones talking about civil war, sending armed militias to invade state government houses and kidnapping their leaders -- or coups to overturn their government.

    Responsible, ethical leadership doesn't depend on the form of government.
    • The 1 million Chinese people currently interred in concentration camps simply because they  happen to be Uygur ethnic Muslims would disagree with you.
    • The 8 million people of Hong Kong who are seeing their rights removed by the Chinese Communist Party reneging on the 1997 handover deal would disagree with you.
    • The 3 million Tibetans whose country is illegally occupied by China would disagree with you.
    • The 24 million people of Taiwan who live with the constant threat of being attacked and invaded by China would also probably disagree with you about China.
    • India and Bhutan who have suffered border incursions by the Chinese military would also disagree.
    • As would most nations with territorial waters in the South China Sea who see China attempting to claim sovereignty over their UN recognised territory waters would disagree with you about Chinese good governance.

    The Chinese people don’t talk about their unhappiness with their government because all media and communications is monitored. Even the slightest dissent will see a person imprisoned in a Mao-style reeducation camp.

    You probably thought the Soviet Union was the ‘workers paradise’ it claimed to be too...


    Yeh, if you believe the propaganda from the China haters that Trump spawned.
    As for Hong Kong and Taiwan:  they are part of China not independent.   Hong Kong succumbed to foreign interference to generate insurrection and revolt.   For over a year China tolerated it -- till it started disrupting society too much -- then they quelled it.   Currently the U.S. is trying the same trick in Taiwan. But that will have the same ending there.  

    China will not let the U.S. dictate their internal policies.   That frustrates and irritates those who think the U.S. rules the world and can tell others how to live their lives and run their countries.  But it is reality.   A reality that they seem incapable of grasping.

    With millions unemployed,  riots in the streets, our infrastructure out of date and crumbling, our safety nets for sick, disabled and older people cracking, and our trillions of debt increasing by $3 Trillion a year one would think that the activists would be concerned about our own country.  But perhaps that's the goal:   "Hey!   Look over there!"
    Oh yeah, let China make a big nice stable concentration camp of our silly democratic world. Let's make slavery great again))) 
    elijahg
  • Reply 105 of 146
    gatorguygatorguy Posts: 23,510member
    elijahg said:
    I see our resident Chinese shill is still trying to singlehandedly hold the fort against negativity toward China. Not doing a great job I might add. 

    Just calling bull to the bull from the resident China haters.   The ones who hate China because they aren't a democracy but support the Chief China Hater trying to dismantle ours.
    So if some members here believe there's ethnic cleansing underway in China does that make them China Haters for saying so? Seems there was a European power in the 1930's and 40's who did much the same.
    https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/chinese-doctor-says-she-participated-in-ethnic-cleansing-of-uyghurs-60164
    but if you don't like that one...

    https://www.npr.org/2020/07/04/887239225/china-suppression-of-uighur-minorities-meets-u-n-definition-of-genocide-report-s
    NPR is left leaning or centerist so definitely not "right-wingers"
    https://www.cnn.com/2019/11/26/asia/china-xinjiang-leaks-analysis-intl-hnk/index.html
    CNN is left-leaning or centrist, definitely not a friend of Trump or right-wingers.

    So George, are you claiming there is no truth to any of this and those publications and sources are just infested with China haters? 
    edited November 2020 elijahg
  • Reply 106 of 146
    tmaytmay Posts: 5,825member
    elijahg said:
    I see our resident Chinese shill is still trying to singlehandedly hold the fort against negativity toward China. Not doing a great job I might add. 

    Just calling bull to the bull from the resident China haters.   The ones who hate China because they aren't a democracy but support the Chief China Hater trying to dismantle ours.
    You do realize that we have a new administration coming in January don't you? 

    Your tired tropes about President Donald Trump don't really describe the actual issues, National Security, Trade, and Human Rights, that are consistent between both parties.

    Calling everyone "China Haters", is really just shorthand for your not understanding the issues.
  • Reply 107 of 146
    GeorgeBMacGeorgeBMac Posts: 11,421member
    tzeshan said:
    Very funny. Despite Trump repeatedly claims US is the greatest country in the world. US and all other countries are not able to replace Taiwanese company Foxconn in assembling iPhone, iPad, MacBooks, AirPods. I like to know why Taiwanese is so superior to US and all other countries including China and India?
    Maybe because a true government of China sits in Taiwan?

    Yeh, just as the true government of the U.S. is in Danville VA

    ROFL....
  • Reply 108 of 146
    GeorgeBMacGeorgeBMac Posts: 11,421member
    seanj said:
    The Chinese people, contrary to right wing propaganda, seem to be far happier with their government than we here in the U.S.  The Chinese aren't the ones talking about civil war, sending armed militias to invade state government houses and kidnapping their leaders -- or coups to overturn their government.

    Responsible, ethical leadership doesn't depend on the form of government.
    • The 1 million Chinese people currently interred in concentration camps simply because they  happen to be Uygur ethnic Muslims would disagree with you.
    • The 8 million people of Hong Kong who are seeing their rights removed by the Chinese Communist Party reneging on the 1997 handover deal would disagree with you.
    • The 3 million Tibetans whose country is illegally occupied by China would disagree with you.
    • The 24 million people of Taiwan who live with the constant threat of being attacked and invaded by China would also probably disagree with you about China.
    • India and Bhutan who have suffered border incursions by the Chinese military would also disagree.
    • As would most nations with territorial waters in the South China Sea who see China attempting to claim sovereignty over their UN recognised territory waters would disagree with you about Chinese good governance.

    The Chinese people don’t talk about their unhappiness with their government because all media and communications is monitored. Even the slightest dissent will see a person imprisoned in a Mao-style reeducation camp.

    You probably thought the Soviet Union was the ‘workers paradise’ it claimed to be too...


    Yeh, if you believe the propaganda from the China haters that Trump spawned.
    As for Hong Kong and Taiwan:  they are part of China not independent.   Hong Kong succumbed to foreign interference to generate insurrection and revolt.   For over a year China tolerated it -- till it started disrupting society too much -- then they quelled it.   Currently the U.S. is trying the same trick in Taiwan. But that will have the same ending there.  

    China will not let the U.S. dictate their internal policies.   That frustrates and irritates those who think the U.S. rules the world and can tell others how to live their lives and run their countries.  But it is reality.   A reality that they seem incapable of grasping.

    With millions unemployed,  riots in the streets, our infrastructure out of date and crumbling, our safety nets for sick, disabled and older people cracking, and our trillions of debt increasing by $3 Trillion a year one would think that the activists would be concerned about our own country.  But perhaps that's the goal:   "Hey!   Look over there!"
    Oh yeah, let China make a big nice stable concentration camp of our silly democratic world. Let's make slavery great again))) 

    LOL....   That just shows the foolishness and gullibility of the right wing cult.   China only wants to sell its products.   It's the U.S. trying to hold onto its past as slavers and white supremacy.
  • Reply 109 of 146
    GeorgeBMacGeorgeBMac Posts: 11,421member
    gatorguy said:
    elijahg said:
    I see our resident Chinese shill is still trying to singlehandedly hold the fort against negativity toward China. Not doing a great job I might add. 

    Just calling bull to the bull from the resident China haters.   The ones who hate China because they aren't a democracy but support the Chief China Hater trying to dismantle ours.
    So if some members here believe there's ethnic cleansing underway in China does that make them China Haters for saying so? Seems there was a European power in the 1930's and 40's who did much the same.
    https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/chinese-doctor-says-she-participated-in-ethnic-cleansing-of-uyghurs-60164
    but if you don't like that one...

    https://www.npr.org/2020/07/04/887239225/china-suppression-of-uighur-minorities-meets-u-n-definition-of-genocide-report-s
    Left leaning or centerist so definitely not "right-wingers"
    https://www.npr.org/2020/07/04/887239225/china-suppression-of-uighur-minorities-meets-u-n-definition-of-genocide-report-s
    Left leaning or centerist so definitely not "right-wingers"
    and from CNN, also considered left-leaning.
    https://www.cnn.com/2019/11/26/asia/china-xinjiang-leaks-analysis-intl-hnk/index.html

    George, are you claiming there is no truth to any of this and those publications and sources are just infested with China haters? 

    Propaganda works best when it starts with a grain of truth and builds a whole alternative universe from it and then reinforces it by telling the lie over and over -- while ignoring or distracting from the failures of those propagating it.

    But that doesn't make it any more true or reliable. 


  • Reply 110 of 146
    GeorgeBMacGeorgeBMac Posts: 11,421member
    tmay said:
    elijahg said:
    I see our resident Chinese shill is still trying to singlehandedly hold the fort against negativity toward China. Not doing a great job I might add. 

    Just calling bull to the bull from the resident China haters.   The ones who hate China because they aren't a democracy but support the Chief China Hater trying to dismantle ours.
    You do realize that we have a new administration coming in January don't you? 

    Your tired tropes about President Donald Trump don't really describe the actual issues, National Security, Trade, and Human Rights, that are consistent between both parties.

    Calling everyone "China Haters", is really just shorthand for your not understanding the issues.

    Chump has been trying to undermine our democracy for the past 4 years.   It is only since he lost the election that he has dropped any pretense of doing anything other than using and abusing the pillars of our democracy for his own gain.   And that won't stop even after Biden is sworn in:   he will use every means possible to undermine both the guy who beat him as well as our democracy.

    But you China Haters continue with your rants claiming China is evil because it is not a democracy -- while ignoring your leader -- the guy undermining who is our democracy.
  • Reply 111 of 146
    gatorguygatorguy Posts: 23,510member
    gatorguy said:
    elijahg said:
    I see our resident Chinese shill is still trying to singlehandedly hold the fort against negativity toward China. Not doing a great job I might add. 

    Just calling bull to the bull from the resident China haters.   The ones who hate China because they aren't a democracy but support the Chief China Hater trying to dismantle ours.
    So if some members here believe there's ethnic cleansing underway in China does that make them China Haters for saying so? Seems there was a European power in the 1930's and 40's who did much the same.
    https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/chinese-doctor-says-she-participated-in-ethnic-cleansing-of-uyghurs-60164
    but if you don't like that one...

    https://www.npr.org/2020/07/04/887239225/china-suppression-of-uighur-minorities-meets-u-n-definition-of-genocide-report-s
    Left leaning or centerist so definitely not "right-wingers"
    https://www.npr.org/2020/07/04/887239225/china-suppression-of-uighur-minorities-meets-u-n-definition-of-genocide-report-s
    Left leaning or centerist so definitely not "right-wingers"
    and from CNN, also considered left-leaning.
    https://www.cnn.com/2019/11/26/asia/china-xinjiang-leaks-analysis-intl-hnk/index.html

    George, are you claiming there is no truth to any of this and those publications and sources are just infested with China haters? 

    Propaganda works best when it starts with a grain of truth and builds a whole alternative universe from it and then reinforces it by telling the lie over and over -- while ignoring or distracting from the failures of those propagating it.

    But that doesn't make it any more true or reliable. 


    That's a weird response. Seriously, you give a definition of propanda as tho no one but you knows what it is? You're not the only educated person here at AI George.
    You always say you're all about the truth, but it looks as tho you're just seeing a hater behind every rock rather than being realistic. 

     1. For the sake of clarity are you claiming it's all just propaganda, but in this case "China haters" from the left?  Heck that would make your kinsmen no different from the Trumpers.

    Or 2.
    Are you saying you do believe there's at least some truth to the reports but perhaps not 100% accurate, so maybe it's not just China haters seeing a bit of "evil" in the way that government operates. 

    Or 3: All you see are rocks.

    edited November 2020 elijahgGG1
  • Reply 112 of 146
    gatorguy said:
    gatorguy said:
    elijahg said:
    I see our resident Chinese shill is still trying to singlehandedly hold the fort against negativity toward China. Not doing a great job I might add. 

    Just calling bull to the bull from the resident China haters.   The ones who hate China because they aren't a democracy but support the Chief China Hater trying to dismantle ours.
    So if some members here believe there's ethnic cleansing underway in China does that make them China Haters for saying so? Seems there was a European power in the 1930's and 40's who did much the same.
    https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/chinese-doctor-says-she-participated-in-ethnic-cleansing-of-uyghurs-60164
    but if you don't like that one...

    https://www.npr.org/2020/07/04/887239225/china-suppression-of-uighur-minorities-meets-u-n-definition-of-genocide-report-s
    Left leaning or centerist so definitely not "right-wingers"
    https://www.npr.org/2020/07/04/887239225/china-suppression-of-uighur-minorities-meets-u-n-definition-of-genocide-report-s
    Left leaning or centerist so definitely not "right-wingers"
    and from CNN, also considered left-leaning.
    https://www.cnn.com/2019/11/26/asia/china-xinjiang-leaks-analysis-intl-hnk/index.html

    George, are you claiming there is no truth to any of this and those publications and sources are just infested with China haters? 

    Propaganda works best when it starts with a grain of truth and builds a whole alternative universe from it and then reinforces it by telling the lie over and over -- while ignoring or distracting from the failures of those propagating it.

    But that doesn't make it any more true or reliable. 


    That's a weird response. Seriously, you give a definition of propanda as tho no one but you knows what it is? You're not the only educated person here at AI George.
    You always say you're all about the truth, but it looks as tho you're just seeing a hater behind every rock rather than being realistic. 

    ...
    Yeh, Reality must seem weird to those living in Chump's Never-Never land of hate and fear.

  • Reply 113 of 146
    gatorguygatorguy Posts: 23,510member
    gatorguy said:
    gatorguy said:
    elijahg said:
    I see our resident Chinese shill is still trying to singlehandedly hold the fort against negativity toward China. Not doing a great job I might add. 

    Just calling bull to the bull from the resident China haters.   The ones who hate China because they aren't a democracy but support the Chief China Hater trying to dismantle ours.
    So if some members here believe there's ethnic cleansing underway in China does that make them China Haters for saying so? Seems there was a European power in the 1930's and 40's who did much the same.
    https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/chinese-doctor-says-she-participated-in-ethnic-cleansing-of-uyghurs-60164
    but if you don't like that one...

    https://www.npr.org/2020/07/04/887239225/china-suppression-of-uighur-minorities-meets-u-n-definition-of-genocide-report-s
    Left leaning or centerist so definitely not "right-wingers"
    https://www.npr.org/2020/07/04/887239225/china-suppression-of-uighur-minorities-meets-u-n-definition-of-genocide-report-s
    Left leaning or centerist so definitely not "right-wingers"
    and from CNN, also considered left-leaning.
    https://www.cnn.com/2019/11/26/asia/china-xinjiang-leaks-analysis-intl-hnk/index.html

    George, are you claiming there is no truth to any of this and those publications and sources are just infested with China haters? 

    Propaganda works best when it starts with a grain of truth and builds a whole alternative universe from it and then reinforces it by telling the lie over and over -- while ignoring or distracting from the failures of those propagating it.

    But that doesn't make it any more true or reliable. 


    That's a weird response. Seriously, you give a definition of propanda as tho no one but you knows what it is? You're not the only educated person here at AI George.
    You always say you're all about the truth, but it looks as tho you're just seeing a hater behind every rock rather than being realistic. 

    ...
    Yeh, Reality must seem weird to those living in Chump's Never-Never land of hate and fear.

    That's George. What are you so afraid of? You don't answer, just belittle the poster instead of taking a position that might open you to supporting your opinion with facts and reality.

    We're all smarter than you give us credit for George. Try convincing us with logic and facts. It will get you a lot more respect than insulting our intelligence will.  
    edited November 2020 elijahg
  • Reply 114 of 146
    tmaytmay Posts: 5,825member
    tzeshan said:
    tmay said:
    tzeshan said:
    tmay said:
    tzeshan said:
    tmay said:
    Italian scientists published a paper on Lancet medical medicine saying Italians had suffered COVID-19 last year before the disease outbreak in Wuhan at end of December, 2019. 
    Aids outbreak happened in SF US in the 1980s. It was found the virus originated in Africa. Scientists know the origin of a transmittable disease cannot be tied to the place of first outbreak. This is science. 
    https://www.reuters.com/article/health-coronavirus-italy-timing/researchers-find-coronavirus-was-circulating-in-italy-earlier-than-thought-idUSKBN27W1J2

    "ROME (Reuters) - The new coronavirus was circulating in Italy in September 2019, a study by the National Cancer Institute (INT) of the Italian city of Milan shows, signaling that it might have spread beyond China earlier than thought."

    The origin is still considered to be from the Wuhan Region of China. Many nations have requested an investigation to determine the source. 


    https://science.thewire.in/health/coronavirus-source-china-who-control-xi-jinping-tedros-adhanom-ghebreyesus/

    "New Delhi: In a bid to find the origins of the novel coronavirus, the WHO “ceded” control to China, allowing the country’s government to “whitewash” its failure to quickly isolate and contain the virus, an investigation by the New York Times has found.

    The newspaper accessed internal documents and conducted interviews with more than 50 public-health officials, scientists and diplomats that show how the “disempowered” WHO was eager to “win access and coordination” from China but achieved neither. The documents also show that China was able to extract concessions from WHO which allowed the government to delay important research and avoided a “potentially embarrassing” review of its early response.

    The virus’s origin still remains a mystery and the trail may have now gone cold. While China has been secretive about past virus outbreaks – such as the SARS epidemic in 2002, the country later allowed international teams to investigate for the animal source of viruses. This time, the investigation has been “shrouded in secrecy”, according to the New York Times.

    Not a great way for China to gain the world's trust.

    The accusation of China failed to quickly isolate and contain the virus is stupid. US and Europe have not experienced outbreak of the virus until end of February. There is one month time window. Yet both US and Europe failed to quickly isolate and contain the virus. The fact is COVID-19 is very difficult to isolate and contain. Each virus has different effect on human beings. When the outbreak happened in Wuhan, China has little knowledge how the virus got transmitted. In the beginning Chinese experts even think it is not transmitted from human to human. 
    The World wants to know the origin, so that they can find how it spread, and determine how the virus was transmitted from any animal species to humans, all to mitigate this happening in the future.

    China is attempting to cover that up. 
    It takes time. Use the same reasoning the world also need to investigate several viruses that happened in the last twenty years. How did the world do in the investigations? Be patient. The pandemic is not over yet. 
    Report exposing Chinese Governments ineptitude and or coverup on the COVID19 outbreak in Wuhan.

    https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/30/asia/wuhan-china-covid-intl/index.html

    For the record, China doesn't have an independent media, so of course, people in China will not have access to any of this.
    elijahg
  • Reply 115 of 146
    elijahgelijahg Posts: 2,669member
    elijahg said:
    I see our resident Chinese shill is still trying to singlehandedly hold the fort against negativity toward China. Not doing a great job I might add. 

    Just calling bull to the bull from the resident China haters.   The ones who hate China because they aren't a democracy but support the Chief China Hater trying to dismantle ours.
    I notice you aren't actually able to refute anything people say, just attack the poster instead. Here's another example of Chinese human rights violations: 

    UK sourced PPE from factories secretly using North Korean slave labour

    Is this ok, in your opinion?
  • Reply 116 of 146
    GeorgeBMacGeorgeBMac Posts: 11,421member
    gatorguy said:
    gatorguy said:
    gatorguy said:
    elijahg said:
    I see our resident Chinese shill is still trying to singlehandedly hold the fort against negativity toward China. Not doing a great job I might add. 

    Just calling bull to the bull from the resident China haters.   The ones who hate China because they aren't a democracy but support the Chief China Hater trying to dismantle ours.
    So if some members here believe there's ethnic cleansing underway in China does that make them China Haters for saying so? Seems there was a European power in the 1930's and 40's who did much the same.
    https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/chinese-doctor-says-she-participated-in-ethnic-cleansing-of-uyghurs-60164
    but if you don't like that one...

    https://www.npr.org/2020/07/04/887239225/china-suppression-of-uighur-minorities-meets-u-n-definition-of-genocide-report-s
    Left leaning or centerist so definitely not "right-wingers"
    https://www.npr.org/2020/07/04/887239225/china-suppression-of-uighur-minorities-meets-u-n-definition-of-genocide-report-s
    Left leaning or centerist so definitely not "right-wingers"
    and from CNN, also considered left-leaning.
    https://www.cnn.com/2019/11/26/asia/china-xinjiang-leaks-analysis-intl-hnk/index.html

    George, are you claiming there is no truth to any of this and those publications and sources are just infested with China haters? 

    Propaganda works best when it starts with a grain of truth and builds a whole alternative universe from it and then reinforces it by telling the lie over and over -- while ignoring or distracting from the failures of those propagating it.

    But that doesn't make it any more true or reliable. 


    That's a weird response. Seriously, you give a definition of propanda as tho no one but you knows what it is? You're not the only educated person here at AI George.
    You always say you're all about the truth, but it looks as tho you're just seeing a hater behind every rock rather than being realistic. 

    ...
    Yeh, Reality must seem weird to those living in Chump's Never-Never land of hate and fear.

    That's George. What are you so afraid of? You don't answer, just belittle the poster instead of taking a position that might open you to supporting your opinion with facts and reality.

    We're all smarter than you give us credit for George. Try convincing us with logic and facts. It will get you a lot more respect than insulting our intelligence will.  

    Since there is neither logic nor truth to your allegations -- just (as is the case for your leader's assault on our election) just allegation piled on allegation. there is no point in applying truth or logic to your nonsense.

    You might be smart.   You are also gullible for falling for the ConMan's con.
  • Reply 117 of 146
    GeorgeBMacGeorgeBMac Posts: 11,421member
    tmay said:
    tzeshan said:
    tmay said:
    tzeshan said:
    tmay said:
    tzeshan said:
    tmay said:
    Italian scientists published a paper on Lancet medical medicine saying Italians had suffered COVID-19 last year before the disease outbreak in Wuhan at end of December, 2019. 
    Aids outbreak happened in SF US in the 1980s. It was found the virus originated in Africa. Scientists know the origin of a transmittable disease cannot be tied to the place of first outbreak. This is science. 
    https://www.reuters.com/article/health-coronavirus-italy-timing/researchers-find-coronavirus-was-circulating-in-italy-earlier-than-thought-idUSKBN27W1J2

    "ROME (Reuters) - The new coronavirus was circulating in Italy in September 2019, a study by the National Cancer Institute (INT) of the Italian city of Milan shows, signaling that it might have spread beyond China earlier than thought."

    The origin is still considered to be from the Wuhan Region of China. Many nations have requested an investigation to determine the source. 


    https://science.thewire.in/health/coronavirus-source-china-who-control-xi-jinping-tedros-adhanom-ghebreyesus/

    "New Delhi: In a bid to find the origins of the novel coronavirus, the WHO “ceded” control to China, allowing the country’s government to “whitewash” its failure to quickly isolate and contain the virus, an investigation by the New York Times has found.

    The newspaper accessed internal documents and conducted interviews with more than 50 public-health officials, scientists and diplomats that show how the “disempowered” WHO was eager to “win access and coordination” from China but achieved neither. The documents also show that China was able to extract concessions from WHO which allowed the government to delay important research and avoided a “potentially embarrassing” review of its early response.

    The virus’s origin still remains a mystery and the trail may have now gone cold. While China has been secretive about past virus outbreaks – such as the SARS epidemic in 2002, the country later allowed international teams to investigate for the animal source of viruses. This time, the investigation has been “shrouded in secrecy”, according to the New York Times.

    Not a great way for China to gain the world's trust.

    The accusation of China failed to quickly isolate and contain the virus is stupid. US and Europe have not experienced outbreak of the virus until end of February. There is one month time window. Yet both US and Europe failed to quickly isolate and contain the virus. The fact is COVID-19 is very difficult to isolate and contain. Each virus has different effect on human beings. When the outbreak happened in Wuhan, China has little knowledge how the virus got transmitted. In the beginning Chinese experts even think it is not transmitted from human to human. 
    The World wants to know the origin, so that they can find how it spread, and determine how the virus was transmitted from any animal species to humans, all to mitigate this happening in the future.

    China is attempting to cover that up. 
    It takes time. Use the same reasoning the world also need to investigate several viruses that happened in the last twenty years. How did the world do in the investigations? Be patient. The pandemic is not over yet. 
    Report exposing Chinese Governments ineptitude and or coverup on the COVID19 outbreak in Wuhan.

    https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/30/asia/wuhan-china-covid-intl/index.html

    For the record, China doesn't have an independent media, so of course, people in China will not have access to any of this.

    Funny, they identified a never before seen pathogen and then identified its infectiousness and its lethality.   They then notified the world and took effective measures to control and contain it - all in a month or 6 weeks.  A few months after that they began to open and for the past 6 months have been fully open and with the virus effectively contained.  They did such a good job that they couldn't even test their vaccine in their own country since there was nothing to test it on.

    Meanwhile, after a year and over 1/4 million deaths (and climbing rapidly) we sit here with our thumb up our ass.
    ....  Why is that China's fault?   Oh yeh!   I forgot:  We're supposed to hate China.   The Hater in Chief told us so....

    China should be laughing at us and gloating.   But unlike Trumpers, they are too mature for that.
  • Reply 118 of 146
    GeorgeBMacGeorgeBMac Posts: 11,421member
    elijahg said:
    elijahg said:
    I see our resident Chinese shill is still trying to singlehandedly hold the fort against negativity toward China. Not doing a great job I might add. 

    Just calling bull to the bull from the resident China haters.   The ones who hate China because they aren't a democracy but support the Chief China Hater trying to dismantle ours.
    I notice you aren't actually able to refute anything people say, just attack the poster instead. Here's another example of Chinese human rights violations: 

    UK sourced PPE from factories secretly using North Korean slave labour

    Is this ok, in your opinion?

    That's typical of a Trumper.   Throw out some crazed, half baked allegation and expect the world to take them seriously.   Trump is good at it -- as well as spinning up his foolish cult.   He's so good at it that he tried it on the U.S. election.   While the courts threw out his allegations with unheard of scorn and contempt (even his own judges!) it is thought that 75% of his Trumpers believe that nonsense.   And, like you on China, they roll out allegations they call proof -- because, in their world, allegation and proof are the same (no matter how crazy the allegation is).
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    gatorguygatorguy Posts: 23,510member
    @GeorgeBMac ;
    I certainly hope you are not the person in charge of showing your Grandson how to be grow into a responsible and respectful adult. Is this really the example you would be for him?

    While the rest of us attempt to have an honest debate, your claimed "facts and reality" based posts consist of

    1. 
    China haters will blame them for anything and everything they can -- To cover up their own corruption and incompetence. (Hey, look over there!)
    2. Just calling bull to the bull from the resident China haters. (uh whut?)
    3. 
    LOL....   That just shows the foolishness and gullibility of the right wing cult. (Ah, Trump did it!)
    4. 
    It's the U.S. trying to hold onto its past as slavers and white supremacy. (Oh, the whole US did it?)
    5. 
    Propaganda works best when it starts with a grain of truth and builds a whole alternative universe (Duh)
    6. 
    But you China Haters continue with your rants claiming China is evil ... while ignoring your leader -- the guy undermining who is our democracy.
           (Ignored him? We voted him OUT. You're the one who can't seem to let go while the rest of us begin to move on) 
    7. T
    here is no point in applying truth or logic to your nonsense. (I understand, no one here is as smart as you so we're not worthy of your insight)
    8. You are also gullible for falling for the ConMan's con. (Gotcha. Trump again)
    9. Reality must seem weird to those living in Chump's Never-Never land of hate and fear. (Oh geez, Trump and more Trump. Quite an unhealthy obsession IMHO)
    10. The Hater in Chief told us so.... (Yeah we get it. You really are obsessed with Trump)
    11. That's typical of a Trumper. (Now it's just sad.)
    12. 
    it is thought that 75% of his Trumpers believe that nonsense. (Sad and huh?)
    13. And that won't stop even after Biden is sworn in:   he will use every means possible to undermine both the guy who beat him as well as our democracy.
      (Thanks for letting us know you have no intention of giving up on Trump even after he lost, Four more years of George rants)

    Ten of the 19 posts on this page are yours George and only one has anything even tangentially related to "facts". You could have summarized all of them with one post: China is a wonderful example of good and no one has evidence to the contrary, if we disagree with you we're haters, the US was evil in the past so we can't say anything anyway, everyone other than you is a gullible fool, and you hate Trump. 

    edited December 2020 GG1tmayelijahg
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    crowleycrowley Posts: 10,453member
    elijahg said:
    elijahg said:
    I see our resident Chinese shill is still trying to singlehandedly hold the fort against negativity toward China. Not doing a great job I might add. 

    Just calling bull to the bull from the resident China haters.   The ones who hate China because they aren't a democracy but support the Chief China Hater trying to dismantle ours.
    I notice you aren't actually able to refute anything people say, just attack the poster instead. Here's another example of Chinese human rights violations: 

    UK sourced PPE from factories secretly using North Korean slave labour

    Is this ok, in your opinion?

    That's typical of a Trumper.   Throw out some crazed, half baked allegation and expect the world to take them seriously.   Trump is good at it -- as well as spinning up his foolish cult.   He's so good at it that he tried it on the U.S. election.   While the courts threw out his allegations with unheard of scorn and contempt (even his own judges!) it is thought that 75% of his Trumpers believe that nonsense.   And, like you on China, they roll out allegations they call proof -- because, in their world, allegation and proof are the same (no matter how crazy the allegation is).
    That link is from the Guardian, the most left wing paper in the UK.  They do not support Trump at all, nor are they very supportive of the right wing British government.  There is nothing particularly "crazy" about the allegation.

    It's perfectly ok to not like Trump or his supporters, I don't care for them either.  It's perfectly ok to have a problem with China too. 

    This thread is not about Trump, it's about Apple and China.  You claim that Trump attempts to distract from his misdeeds by pointing the finger at China, yet here you are in a thread about China's misdeeds and you're pointing the finger at Trump.  Have some self-awareness man.
    gatorguy
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